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Old 06-30-2011, 09:17 AM   #1
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:stoned is this the end of YOUTUBE ?!!!

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s978/show

"Makes unauthorized web streaming of copyrighted content a felony with a possible penalty of up to 5 years in prison. Illegal streaming of copyrighted content is defined in the bill as an offense that "consists of 10 or more public performances by electronic means, during any 180-day period, of 1 or more copyrighted works" and has a total economic value, either to the copyright holder or the infringer, of at least $2,500."


it hasn't passed yet , but wouldn't youtube be guilty of this right now ?

How would/could youtube alter its model to abide by this law ?
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copyright is a load of crap youtube.com is great
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Wouldn't this shut down most tube sites? Who the fuck really believes that a 40 minute clip from the latest Elegant Angel movie is there legally?
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Old 06-30-2011, 09:49 AM   #5
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copyright is a load of crap youtube.com is great
Without the content uploaded by non copyright owners there isn't shit worth watching on youtube. Who cares if youtube makes it or not.


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Old 06-30-2011, 09:57 AM   #7
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this will be a disaster to manage
It will manage itself once people start getting in deep shit for their behavior. I mean really, fuck people that mess with the property of others. Just because someone can afford a computer and internet service doesn't give them the right to use the property of others without permission.


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its only bad for american uploaders the rest of the world is saying ..|..
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we all expected this, but this opens all new problems about who, when, what, how
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It will manage itself once people start getting in deep shit for their behavior. I mean really, fuck people that mess with the property of others. Just because someone can afford a computer and internet service doesn't give them the right to use the property of others without permission.


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RIGHT ON! Tubes can choke on it! Only THIEVES have complaints about this one.
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This would make the majority of the internet either illegal or or useless.
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I'm sure Gideongallery can find a loophole.
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Google is compiling a file of incriminating evidence, of various wrongdoings committed by these politicians, that its spiders found while crawling the web. Each one will be contacted with copies of those files. This will subsequently die.

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sorry guys, I know you hate me saying this... but USC 17 §512 (DMCA Safe Harbor) limits the other paragraphs, including §506 that this extends to make it a criminal act.

So no, this is not the end of youtube.
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Old 06-30-2011, 10:50 AM   #22
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sorry guys, I know you hate me saying this... but USC 17 §512 (DMCA Safe Harbor) limits the other paragraphs, including §506 that this extends to make it a criminal act.

So no, this is not the end of youtube.
i don't pretend to understand the law very well but can you explain/elaborate a bit ?

In a nutshell are you saying as long as someone abides by dmca then this doesn't apply ? i.e. this only applies to people who ignore dmca ?

i can prove youtube has ignored dmca requests that would fit the criteria of the above law. i.e. safe harbor would not apply for youtube in my case because they did not abide by the rules, thus as it stands they would be guilty .

In my case i noticed someone had copied an original video of mine and reposted it under a different account, they did this with several videos. Upon recieving the dmca request they banned my account for copyright violations ( my own original videos ) and left the infringers account open with all my videos.

seems to me an open and shut case.
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i don't pretend to understand the law very well but can you explain/elaborate a bit ?

In a nutshell are you saying as long as someone abides by dmca then this doesn't apply ? i.e. this only applies to people who ignore dmca ?

i can prove youtube has ignored dmca requests that would fit the criteria of the above law. i.e. safe harbor would not apply for youtube in my case because they did not abide by the rules, thus as it stands they would be guilty .

In my case i noticed someone had copied an original video of mine and reposted it under a different account, they did this with several videos. Upon recieving the dmca request they banned my account for copyright violations ( my own original videos ) and left the infringers account open with all my videos.

seems to me an open and shut case.
i call bullshit

you made a DMCA take down request which specifically identified the EXACT video to take down, and they ignored that info and took down your account instead

i am betting you made a generic "you need to police every account because i am not going to " BS arguement and they reviewed your account and took your shit down because of another TOS violation.
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I wish Google along with everything it owns would just curl up and die, They are one of the worst copyright infringers on the whole of the interwebs, and they are very happy making $$$$$$$ from it with thier bullshit ads everywhere
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Last I heard he was expected at Google to provide legal council, then he was headed off to speak at TED.
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i call bullshit

you made a DMCA take down request which specifically identified the EXACT video to take down, and they ignored that info and took down your account instead

i am betting you made a generic "you need to police every account because i am not going to " BS arguement and they reviewed your account and took your shit down because of another TOS violation.
You think he had a video copied and reposted and then turned into a 4 year old and whined via email? Then you think youtube decided to punish the whiner so deleted their account?

Which is worse, a youtube who doesnt remove copyrighted materials or a youtube who deletes complainers accounts?
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you made a DMCA take down request which specifically identified the EXACT video to take down, and they ignored that info and took down your account instead
yes , thank you for repeating what was already made clear to most people.
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i am betting you made a generic "you need to police every account because i am not going to
perhaps you have a problem reading or don't understand how the dmca process works..

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they reviewed your account and took your shit down because of another TOS violation.
next time read the thread before making foolish shots in the dark. they send users notice if you violate tos, they sent me 2 copyright violations on my original videos then shutdown the account because of "multiple" copyright violations

They sent me copyright violations on the original videos of the ones i complained about after i sent them a dmca notice.

Basically they got it backwards..

I can only assume 1 of 2 things happened.
1) the person reviewing the notice actually did make a mistake and did it backwards.
2) the person who stole the videos sent a dmca request on my videos once he recieved the violations from youtube ?

either way i have sent multiple dmca requests since then and the videos are still up.

The account in question is made up of copied videos and is quite obvious they are just reuploading existing videos with alternate descriptions.
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Interesting, but definitely not the end of youtube.
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yes , thank you for repeating what was already made clear to most people.


perhaps you have a problem reading or don't understand how the dmca process works..



next time read the thread before making foolish shots in the dark. they send users notice if you violate tos, they sent me 2 copyright violations on my original videos then shutdown the account because of "multiple" copyright violations

They sent me copyright violations on the original videos of the ones i complained about after i sent them a dmca notice.

Basically they got it backwards..

I can only assume 1 of 2 things happened.
1) the person reviewing the notice actually did make a mistake and did it backwards.
2) the person who stole the videos sent a dmca request on my videos once he recieved the violations from youtube ?

either way i have sent multiple dmca requests since then and the videos are still up.

The account in question is made up of copied videos and is quite obvious they are just reuploading existing videos with alternate descriptions.
I listen to Howard Stern pretty regularly and one of their guys on the show had a similar situation on Twitter. He set up a twitter account and quickly there were several other people that set up fakes pretending to be him. Most of them were funny and he didn't care but one was saying some really offensive stuff so he contacts Twitter to complain about it and they ended up shutting his account down, but the fake stayed up. He had to jump through a lot of hoops to get his account back online.
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No because they don't own the content and they have very strict teams going at it 24.7 to limit all the videos that go viral. Good luck taking Youtube to court anyway.
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next time read the thread before making foolish shots in the dark. they send users notice if you violate tos, they sent me 2 copyright violations on my original videos then shutdown the account because of "multiple" copyright violations

They sent me copyright violations on the original videos of the ones i complained about after i sent them a dmca notice.

Basically they got it backwards..

I can only assume 1 of 2 things happened.
1) the person reviewing the notice actually did make a mistake and did it backwards.
2) the person who stole the videos sent a dmca request on my videos once he recieved the violations from youtube ?
seriously man if you filed a proper counter notice you would know exactly which one of these it was

and you would have the evidence to press charges for fraud if it was the second.


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either way i have sent multiple dmca requests since then and the videos are still up.

The account in question is made up of copied videos and is quite obvious they are just reuploading existing videos with alternate descriptions.
leaving a video up after a valid takedown is completely different then having the video be re uploaded with a different description

especially when the "supposed" copyright holder doesn't file a counter notice when the work is DMCA ed.
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leaving a video up after a valid takedown is completely different then having the video be re uploaded with a different description
you obviously can't read very well gideon

I had an original video , i made myself, everything in it owned by me and created by me

Someone copied my videos and had them on their channel.

I noticed these copied videos and filed a valid dmca notice to youtube

their videos stayed up and i recieved 2 copyright violations on MY account and then a notice that my account was being turned off.

The law above says youtube committed a felony, they are not protected by dmca safe harbour as they did not remove the video after a valid dmca was filed ,they continue to stream the video.
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Old 06-30-2011, 08:56 PM   #41
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you obviously can't read very well gideon

I had an original video , i made myself, everything in it owned by me and created by me

Someone copied my videos and had them on their channel.

I noticed these copied videos and filed a valid dmca notice to youtube

their videos stayed up and i recieved 2 copyright violations on MY account and then a notice that my account was being turned off.

The law above says youtube committed a felony, they are not protected by dmca safe harbour as they did not remove the video after a valid dmca was filed ,they continue to stream the video.
so sue youtube for 25k per view if they don't have safe harbor protection

i suspect you did something wrong in your filling because you didn't even fille a counter notice your 2 complaints.


and what about this statement do you not understand
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seriously man if you filed a proper counter notice you would know exactly which one of these it was

and you would have the evidence to press charges for fraud if it was the second.
your account got banned for multiple copyright violations and you never filed a counter notice.
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love it or hate it.. serves an incredibly necessary purpose. I'm sure politicians would love to see it go, and have it targeted for the near future.
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Tubes will end up showing 1-2 minutes then say "click to download" to your computer. Then it's not streaming.
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so sue youtube for 25k per view if they don't have safe harbor protection
would rather see them do a 5yr prison stint
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i suspect you did something wrong in your filling
you suspected wrong, twice.. after it being clearly explained to you..

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because you didn't even fille a counter notice your 2 complaints.
has nothing to do with the law quoted nor would it invalidate a dmca. Thanks for playing irrelevant comments by gideon
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your account got banned for multiple copyright violations and you never filed a counter notice.
i was not served with the dmca , youtube was. I never got to see it as my account was banned, all i got was an account notice. I replied to the account notice explaining the situation.

You have to find some other reason for it to be ok to steal gideon.
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love it or hate it.. serves an incredibly necessary purpose.
what purpose is that?

there was life before youtube, there will be life after.
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its only bad for american uploaders the rest of the world is saying ..|..
American people came up with a little quote and lots have found the actual truth of this.

The quote. " The Long Arm of the Law"

Trust me they can and will use it against ANYONE they please.
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would rather see them do a 5yr prison stint


you suspected wrong, twice.. after it being clearly explained to you..



has nothing to do with the law quoted nor would it invalidate a dmca. Thanks for playing irrelevant comments by gideon

i was not served with the dmca , youtube was. I never got to see it as my account was banned, all i got was an account notice. I replied to the account notice explaining the situation.

You have to find some other reason for it to be ok to steal gideon.
there is a huge difference between claiming something and proving something

you claim a billion dollar company is doing something so wrong that it would open them up to an open and shut case for copyright infringement

you haven't proven that at all

i find it hard to believe your statement

especially when you could get paid 25k per hit to the video in question and you choose not to sue for that money.
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This would make the majority of the internet either illegal or or useless.
No...it would mean that the majority of the internet wouldn't be stolen.

Everything on the internet would still be there...but it would be on the OWNERS websites where it belongs.
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This could set a dangerous precedent, but we'll see where it goes.
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there is a huge difference between claiming something and proving something
thanks for that fucking brilliant observation dumbass

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a billion dollar company is doing something so wrong that it would open them up to an open and shut case for copyright infringement
umm glad it only took explaining it 3 times to you before you understand.
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you haven't proven that at all
this isn't a court, and youtube doesn't post here, it would be beyond stupid to give them a jump on the gun.

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i find it hard to believe your statement
you find it hard to follow simple english so it doesn't suprise me..
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especially when you could get paid 25k per hit to the video in question and you choose not to sue for that money.
when did i say i decided not to sue ?

this is where reading really helps gideon.. read the thread.. respond to what is written.

You have a problem with not reading what is written , asking questions that have already been answered and making shit up out of thin air.
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