Originally Posted by L-Pink

I'm all for keeping low-lifes out.

Originally Posted by rogueteens

The UK is dead. Over 2000 years of history. All destroyed in less than 30 years.

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

The EU should be broken up.... Frankly I think that the US should be broken up into the individual states.


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Originally Posted by baddog

Bringing down "that wall" does not seem to have been as good an idea as people thought. I know my German friends sure miss the day of the Deutschmark.

Originally Posted by MaDalton

what has that to do with the topic of this thread?

Originally Posted by baddog

I seem to recall the bringing down of the wall was the beginning of the EU. Ur was that coincidence?

Originally Posted by Sly

Originally Posted by baddog

I seem to recall the bringing down of the wall was the beginning of the EU. Ur was that coincidence?

Originally Posted by Sly

Originally Posted by MaDalton

1958



And the Euro (formerly ECU) exists since 1979

Originally Posted by baddog

And when did everyone go on the Euro (currency)? When did passports stop being needed when traveling between countries in Europe?

Originally Posted by Cherry7

London is one of the most exciting cities in the World. Why? because it has people, girls, culture and food from all over the world.

Don't like it, please feel free to leave.

Originally Posted by rogueteens

Really? You honestly don't have a clue do you? Or ar you one of those twats who walk around with their arse showing?
London does indeed have people, girls, culture and food from all over the world except for one culture, the British.

Originally Posted by Cherry7

Neo liberal economics which puts profits above human needs.

Originally Posted by biskoppen

The directions Europe is taking these days are insane.. it seriously developing into a dictatorship.

The danish government decided to increase the control at the danish borders due to increasing cases of criminels from Eastern Europe.. gangs of burglars from Poland, gypsies stealing from our senior citizens (tricking themselfs into their appartments) etc etc.

Now.. our left wing parties have done a big deal out of bringing a big lie to our neighbours in all of Europe, namely that this new bordercontrol would be everyone stopped and showing passports and stuff.. making huge delays for truckers etc at hours borders.. all what the schengen agreement was supposed to get rid off.

The media all over Europe has been playing along (or believed) this lie.. sadly most media these days are left wing as hell, at least here they are..

So.. whats really going on at the danish borders? .. not much more than the usual.. they have 30 extra men working who pick out only suspecious looking cars/people for a check.. the rest of the people can freely travel in and out as usual.. and there is no fucking passport control.

This is all done because we are sick of people from outside our country coming here to commit home invasions, rapes, robberies etc etc.

Now.. a very funny thing coming up today is that bild.de made a poll asking what the common german thinks about this issue, and the result was like 80% thinking that Denmark are absolutly ok doing this.. which is 100% the opposite of what the german politicans tries to tell us.. corrupt as freaking fuck

Originally Posted by baddog

And when did everyone go on the Euro (currency)? When did passports stop being needed when traveling between countries in Europe?

Originally Posted by biskoppen

The danish government decided to increase the control at the danish borders due to increasing cases of criminels from Eastern Europe.. gangs of burglars from Poland, gypsies stealing from our senior citizens (tricking themselfs into their appartments) etc etc.

Originally Posted by baddog

I seem to recall the bringing down of the wall was the beginning of the EU. Ur was that coincidence?

Originally Posted by Cherry7

Why do people from Eastern Europe have to leave their countries? Because western companies bought up their industries and shut them down. Neo liberal economics which puts profits above human needs.

Originally Posted by baddog

Wall down: 1990
The European Union was formally established when the Maastricht Treaty came into force on 1 November 1993

Originally Posted by redwhiteandblue

This is just utter nonsense. The reason poor people in Eastern Europe are still poor is because of corrupt former Communist party members keeping everything for themselves.

Originally Posted by baddog

Wall down: 1990
The European Union was formally established when the Maastricht Treaty came into force on 1 November 1993

Originally Posted by redwhiteandblue

This is just utter nonsense. The reason poor people in Eastern Europe are still poor is because of corrupt former Communist party members keeping everything for themselves.

Originally Posted by Cherry7

I hate to burst your bubble of ignorance, but that is not true. In communist Poland there was full employment, a health service, free education and culture.
Neo liberal advisers led the conversion to capitalism, this resulted in the closure of the Gdansk Shipyards, The coal mining industry, The steel industry, the textile industry of Lodz, The Polish cinemas were sold to the Americans etc etc...

There is a small goup now of very rich Poles but the vast majority very poor, even after 20 years of capitalism. In rural Poland there is no work and whereas before there was migration to the towns, people seek work abroad.

Originally Posted by redwhiteandblue

You think that's bad...we let them into the UK and give them jobs and houses.

Originally Posted by MaDalton

yes, Poland was a dream country in socialist times

jeeez....

Originally Posted by Cherry7

I hate to burst your bubble of ignorance, but that is not true. In communist Poland there was full employment, a health service, free education and culture.

Originally Posted by redwhiteandblue

Did you live there? Do you actually know what it was like? Or do you just get your knowledge from the Guardian?

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

In the end the only way to make governments more representative and responsive to people is to make countries as small as possible. The EU should be broken up.... Frankly I think that the US should be broken up into the individual states. This move toward looser borders and global governments is a VERY VERY bad thing, and they go hand in hand.


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Originally Posted by scottybuzz

Its a really hard debate. Remember that there is crime when there is less border control but remember the benefits that are brought both economically and culturally.
Very recently in Britain a politician said for companies to hire English, well fuck that the business leaders said, they're fucking retards, the immigrants have a better grasp of English that the average English person. I mean, you can even find a crack addict on the streets of Amsterdam who has better English than the common English youth. They don't turn up to work on time, very lazy. They wont do the hard jobs that the immigrants will.
Thats England I am on about, I am not sure on the situation in Denmark, But if they are willing to work harder and make the economy more healthy I am all for it. Its only the minority who are fucking things up. The majority of immigrants just want a better life for themselves and are willing to work for it.

Originally Posted by rogueteens

The EU will not work as for it to be a success, every country has to be on a level ecconomic base, the richer countries have to lower their standards of living for the poorer countries to catch up.

Originally Posted by Cherry7

I hate to burst your bubble of ignorance, but that is not true. In communist Poland there was full employment, a health service, free education and culture.
Neo liberal advisers led the conversion to capitalism, this resulted in the closure of the Gdansk Shipyards, The coal mining industry, The steel industry, the textile industry of Lodz, The Polish cinemas were sold to the Americans etc etc...

There is a small goup now of very rich Poles but the vast majority very poor, even after 20 years of capitalism. In rural Poland there is no work and whereas before there was migration to the towns, people seek work abroad.

Originally Posted by scottybuzz

No sorry I disagree.
Imagine all small countries with their own political directions, their own thirst for resources, their own multi-polar aims. Heck you have the origins of WW1 and 2 right there. The coal and steal community was exactly the reason to stop these things economically which then naturally progressed into the EU.
My American history wasn't good, but wasn't the american civil war down to differences between the northern and southern states and with no federal government controlling?

Of course you have a good point because there has been no proven political system, union or federal system of any sort that has been stopped wars entirely but I think war is more common when you have multi-polar countries gunning for power.

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Personally I will take the risks involved in freedom over giving power to a vast centralized government that only ends up representing itself.. Does the EU council care what individual people with individual cultures want? Organize 2000 people to march at your local government, and they will sit up, take notice, and you will be represented. Organize that same 2000 people to the EU council and they won't even realize you're there.


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Originally Posted by rogueteens

Total crap, the reason why the corporations employ immigrants is because they are willing to work for peanuts and send most of that money back home. They don't have a family/mortgage/ect to worry about and so can work for much lower wages. The only people who benefit from immigration is the corporations that can bus cheap workers around the globe. Like the oil company that opened up in Scotland and ONLY employed cheap Polish workers. How does that help Scotland in ANY way at all?
The EU will not work as for it to be a success, every country has to be on a level ecconomic base, the richer countries have to lower their standards of living for the poorer countries to catch up.

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Personally I will take the risks involved in freedom over giving power to a vast centralized government that only ends up representing itself.. Does the EU council care what individual people with individual cultures want? Organize 2000 people to march at your local government, and they will sit up, take notice, and you will be represented. Organize that same 2000 people to the EU council and they won't even realize you're there.


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Originally Posted by scottybuzz

wtf? did all that come from a late night discussion at the pub? I would consider looking at actual facts and figures rather than flimsy word of mouth knowledge into this sort of thing.
You do realise also that customs unions take hundreds of years to succeed and get the balance right of rich to poor. Previous federations have shown that.