Someone explain to a Non LA resident why all this Carmageddon OMG world is over type hype??

[Juicy D. Links]

To us non LA area residents....

Ok they closing the shit up I get it....

Just take a diff route or something

Try gettin out of NYC through the tunnel on a Fri @ rushour .... thats a fuckin carmageddon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[uno]

Imagine if they closed a 10 mile stretch of the LIE.

[KickAssJesse]

Traffic is pretty bad in LA as it is... so when they shutdown a major freeway on an ultra common route, you get carmageddon... although, I think it's over-hyped also.

Most people take the 405 to get around, an alternative route would be going completely around, 10 to the 5 or visa versa; a difference of 40 minutes... but with carmaggedon traffic, OH YEAH FUCKING RIGHT! Most likely this is going to stir up traffic around the 4 major freeways, 10, 5, 101 and 405 :]

[Persius]

I'm going to costco and stocking up on food and supplies for sat & sun not leaving my neighborhood lol..

[vsex]

the 405/101 interchange is the busiest in america http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0931285.html

now imagine saying to all that traffic, you can't go this way for 48-56 hours

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by uno

Imagine if they closed a 10 mile stretch of the LIE.

And Juicy couldn't get to Fire Island.

.

[2MuchMark]

Simple: Fear sells. Getting people all riled up and pissed off and afraid they won't be able to live their normal lives for a few days make people tune-in, click, and spend money.

[u-Bob]

this thread needs a video to explain the situation

[Cory W]

The 405 has a bridge over it called the Muholland bridge. If you have ever heard of Muholland drive, that's the bridge. It goes over the 405. The 405 is being given an extra lane, this requires dynamite in much of the sepulveda pass (where the bridge is). If you have ever been to Los Angeles, this is just after the Getty Center / Sunset Blvd.

Los Angeles is a very unfriendly grid. The 405 runs north and south, as does the 5. The 101 and the 10, each run east and west (although the 101 is officially titled as north). This forms a "box" in the grid which surrounds Hollywood, West Hollywood, Beverly Hills and most of West LA, amongst others. There is no alternate freeway to slice this up. If you are at my place in West Hollywood, it takes a while to get to a freeway. Now, the other side of the 405 is Santa Monica, Brentwood, cut off by the beach.

The 405 is totally and completely abused on a daily basis. Without it functioning, it shuts down travel north and south (between the valley and West LA) and shuts down LAX travel which would be north bound. The 405 / 10 is the second busiest interchange in the world. The 405 / 101 is second (this stat is 10 years old, mind you). All the cars that would normally use the 405 for LAX to / fro, the Valley, Orange County, Santa Barbara will be diverted, much of which will divert into thoroughfares in West Hollywood, Beverly Hills and Santa Monica. None of which can closely fit this traffic. On a typical Saturday, the 5 freeway is at a standstill, and that's with a functioning 405.When President Obama had a piece of the 10 freeway shut down last summer for an hour, it created a 3 hour drive from Beverly Hills to Brentwood. That's typically done in 20 minutes. That was the 10.

The poor layout of Los Angeles is the key component here.

So, the typical commute from the Valley will be either three canyon roads or the 101 / 5 (both of which will already be at a stand still). Essentially, hundreds of thousands of drivers will be diverted into smaller streets in West LA (Bev Hills, West Hollywood) and Santa Monica (PCH). It will completely shut the greater Los Angeles city down, as well, potentially all the way up to central California and as far down as Mexico.

Have any of you ever flew into LAX? When the cab takes you out, the first freeway you likely get on is the 405. If you don't, you get on the 110. Now, imagine if you land on Saturday. Imagine all those cars you normally see, now being on a two lane road called La Cienega, or on the 110 (which is already being used).

The city planning crew is under fire to get this done in two days (before Monday). If they do not, heads will roll, public outcry will destroy reputations, and business will lose business and employees. So the city has launched an outreach program to encourage people from driving (hence, the drama). Its the best option they have, and they have done a great job.

I hope that explains it.

[Grapesoda]

amd I live between the 1 and the 101 I imagine that road will be totally socked in as well. very typically backs up now on weekends and rush hour from beach traffic and peeps going up the 1, and cutting over to the 101....

[garce]

Carmageddon was a cool game. They should release a new one.

[Cory W]

Originally Posted by bm bradley

amd I live between the 1 and the 101 I imagine that road will be totally socked in as well. very typically backs up now on weekends and rush hour from beach traffic and peeps going up the 1, and cutting over to the 101....

The Canyon roads? Kanan?

That's going to be bad. I am hoping not though, I was hoping a miracle happens and I can still surf Malibu. : ) But I realize that to be a pipe dream : )

[gabe100]

Originally Posted by Cory W

It will completely shut the greater Los Angeles city down, as well, potentially all the way up to central California and as far down as Mexico.


I hope that explains it.

Great post. I'm thinking it affects people as far north as say Calabasas and as far south as Long Beach, maybe HB. They've done a good job of getting the word out, and you still have Sepulveda and the coast to travel up and down. Still I'll probably be way off. Mexico to Central America is crazy!

[96ukssob]

glad i moved out of that mess years ago. as much as I loved LA it was a headache all the time.

i had a client in west lake village and i lived in Venice. sometimes it would take me 3 hours to get home sometimes 30 minutes, it was a mess

[DBS.US]

Just stay in town Sat and sun, no problems

[Gabriel]

Originally Posted by Cory W

The 405 is totally and completely abused on a daily basis. Without it functioning, it shuts down travel north and south (between the valley and West LA) and shuts down LAX travel which would be north bound. The 405 / 10 is the second busiest interchange in the world. The 405 / 101 is second (this stat is 10 years old, mind you). All the cars that would normally use the 405 for LAX to / fro, the Valley, Orange County, Santa Barbara will be diverted, much of which will divert into thoroughfares in West Hollywood, Beverly Hills and Santa Monica. None of which can closely fit this traffic. On a typical Saturday, the 5 freeway is at a standstill, and that's with a functioning 405.When President Obama had a piece of the 10 freeway shut down last summer for an hour, it created a 3 hour drive from Beverly Hills to Brentwood. That's typically done in 20 minutes. That was the 10.

The poor layout of Los Angeles is the key component here.

The city planning crew is under fire to get this done in two days (before Monday). If they do not, heads will roll, public outcry will destroy reputations, and business will lose business and employees. So the city has launched an outreach program to encourage people from driving (hence, the drama). Its the best option they have, and they have done a great job.

FYI I may head to Dog Beach in HB this weekend ;-)

[MrMaxwell]

The freeways in LA are so busy... I wish I had a way of advertising there, my god

[NaughtyRob]

Glad I live away from all of that but close enough to enjoy all the benefits of SoCal.

[Juicy D. Links]

Originally Posted by Cory W

The 405 has a bridge over it called the Muholland bridge. If you have ever heard of Muholland drive, that's the bridge. It goes over the 405. The 405 is being given an extra lane, this requires dynamite in much of the sepulveda pass (where the bridge is). If you have ever been to Los Angeles, this is just after the Getty Center / Sunset Blvd.

Los Angeles is a very unfriendly grid. The 405 runs north and south, as does the 5. The 101 and the 10, each run east and west (although the 101 is officially titled as north). This forms a "box" in the grid which surrounds Hollywood, West Hollywood, Beverly Hills and most of West LA, amongst others. There is no alternate freeway to slice this up. If you are at my place in West Hollywood, it takes a while to get to a freeway. Now, the other side of the 405 is Santa Monica, Brentwood, cut off by the beach.

The 405 is totally and completely abused on a daily basis. Without it functioning, it shuts down travel north and south (between the valley and West LA) and shuts down LAX travel which would be north bound. The 405 / 10 is the second busiest interchange in the world. The 405 / 101 is second (this stat is 10 years old, mind you). All the cars that would normally use the 405 for LAX to / fro, the Valley, Orange County, Santa Barbara will be diverted, much of which will divert into thoroughfares in West Hollywood, Beverly Hills and Santa Monica. None of which can closely fit this traffic. On a typical Saturday, the 5 freeway is at a standstill, and that's with a functioning 405.When President Obama had a piece of the 10 freeway shut down last summer for an hour, it created a 3 hour drive from Beverly Hills to Brentwood. That's typically done in 20 minutes. That was the 10.

The poor layout of Los Angeles is the key component here.

So, the typical commute from the Valley will be either three canyon roads or the 101 / 5 (both of which will already be at a stand still). Essentially, hundreds of thousands of drivers will be diverted into smaller streets in West LA (Bev Hills, West Hollywood) and Santa Monica (PCH). It will completely shut the greater Los Angeles city down, as well, potentially all the way up to central California and as far down as Mexico.

Have any of you ever flew into LAX? When the cab takes you out, the first freeway you likely get on is the 405. If you don't, you get on the 110. Now, imagine if you land on Saturday. Imagine all those cars you normally see, now being on a two lane road called La Cienega, or on the 110 (which is already being used).

The city planning crew is under fire to get this done in two days (before Monday). If they do not, heads will roll, public outcry will destroy reputations, and business will lose business and employees. So the city has launched an outreach program to encourage people from driving (hence, the drama). Its the best option they have, and they have done a great job.

I hope that explains it.

good explanation

[Cory W]

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

good explanation

You can also try this. : )
https://youtube.com/watch?v=xlLZ4RWyyAw

[VikingMan]

People who live in LA county consider it to be the center of the universe and think whatever affects them will have a ripple effect on everyone else

Now, was that proper use of "affect" and "effect"?

[Joxxy]

This is the Westside of LA on panic mode.
They go apeshit when Sprinkles runs out of Red Velvet cupcakes.

East Los!!!

[Captain Kawaii]

Bad drivers and bored news teams...
One newscaster said last night to his partner as he droned on, "just act like you're listening."

It could be more about poor planning, corruption...probably that.
And butt sex.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Cory W

You can also try this. : )
https://youtube.com/watch?v=xlLZ4RWyyAw

that's a great movie

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Cory W

The Canyon roads? Kanan?

That's going to be bad. I am hoping not though, I was hoping a miracle happens and I can still surf Malibu. : ) But I realize that to be a pipe dream : )

yeah, I live off kanan, 3 miles south of the 101. BTW at some point be interested in a shooting a few surf pics...

[LAJ]

Just another reminder that getting the hell out of LA was the best move I ever made...

[V_RocKs]

Originally Posted by vsex

the 405/101 interchange is the busiest in america http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0931285.html

now imagine saying to all that traffic, you can't go this way for 48-56 hours

Then imagine this is happening on the weekend... and it is all bullshit.

[CurrentlySober]

I couldn't afford a car, to travel on any freeway, while I was in LA...

[thepiper]

The last time they did this, traffic was so bad that Michael Douglas walked to the beach killing Nazi's and gang-bangers.

[Wizzo]

We are talking about 2 days correct?

[Vendzilla]

I live in the Valley and work just outside it in Calabasas. I'm not going anywhere this weekend. When something like this happens in LA, it cripples the commute. One airline offered $4 seats from long beach to Burbank over the weekend and sold out.
The freeways were empty this morning, I think everyone left town, lol

[Barry-xlovecam]

Daily traffic counts;

I-405 - CA 133 - Irvine: 220,000 - 12 lanes
I-405 - Jamboree Rd - Irvine: 271,000 - 12 lanes
I-405 - CA 55 - Costa Mesa: 303,000
I-405 - Beach Blvd - Huntington Beach: 251,000
I-405 - CA 22 - Westminster: 394,000
I-405 - Palo Verde Ave - Long Beach: 271,000
I-405 - I-710 - Long Beach: 297,000
I-405 - I-110 - Carson: 272,000
I-405 - I-105 - Inglewood: 340,000
I-405 - CA 90 - Marina Del Ray: 314,000
I-405 - Santa Monica Blvd - Los Angeles: 321,000
I-405 - U.S. 101 - Los Angeles: 278,000
I-405 - Sherman Way - Los Angeles: 229,000
I-405 - Between CA 118 and I-5: 140,000

from 2002?

The north-south San Diego Freeway (I-405) provides four free flow lanes and one carpool lane in each direction. Average daily traffic volume on the I-405 Freeway at Victory Boulevard is approximately 236,000 vehicles per day. Using the freeway capacity of 2,000 vehicles per hour (VPH) per lane for the mixed flow lanes and 1,600 vehicles per hour for the carpool lane, the I- 405 Freeway provides a theoretical free flow capacity of approximately 19,200 VPH. Current non-directional peak hour traffic volume on the I-405 Freeway is approximately 15,000 VPH based upon counts conducted by Caltrans. Therefore, this segment of the freeway is operating at approximately 78 percent capacity.

from 2007

http://cityplanning.lacity.org/EIR/G....K_Traffic.pdf

I-405 is one of the busiest freeways in the country. Try the 405 at rush hour stop and go 10 MPH a lot of the way ...

[seeric]

Originally Posted by Cory W

The Canyon roads? Kanan?

That's going to be bad. I am hoping not though, I was hoping a miracle happens and I can still surf Malibu. : ) But I realize that to be a pipe dream : )

For sure stay away from Malibu.

Malibu Canyon Rd, Topanga Canyon Road, Kanan Road, Westlake Village Blvd through to PCH will be bumper to bumper for both days. Those roads get pretty busy without the city and state promoting their use. Anyone going to Santa Monica, MDR, LAX who lives north of the valley(if they are smart), will use these roads. We have warning signs all the way up to Camarillo and into Ventura broadcasting about this mess.

I'm not leaving the pool for the entire weekend. Beer. Ribs. BBQ. Sun. Pool. In that order. Haha.

[calvinawe]

Originally Posted by **********

Simple: Fear sells. Getting people all riled up and pissed off and afraid they won't be able to live their normal lives for a few days make people tune-in, click, and spend money.

QFT

[seeric]

Originally Posted by bm bradley

yeah, I live off kanan, 3 miles south of the 101. BTW at some point be interested in a shooting a few surf pics...

I live in Calabasas as well. Bunch of GFYers surf. Really good place for pics is Zuma beach. Waves are a nice size and the water is beautiful and blue. One day we'll talk Corey into coming up to Zuma and getting in the water.