Bill Clinton Wants Obama To Ignore The Constitution And Act As A Dictator! - GoFuckYourself.com

SallyRand · 07-20-2011, 07:09 AM

First, let it be clearly understood that there is no "constitutional option" in this matter. The "constitional optioni" is the product of the crazed socialist mind of Bill Clinton!

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...t-ceiling.html

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Bill Clinton: I Would Use 14th Amendment To Raise The Debt Ceiling

July 19, 2011 4:16 PM

BC News? Mary Bruce (@marykbruce) Reports:

With the deadline to raise the debt ceiling just two weeks away, former President Bill Clinton said that if he were in President Obama?s shoes, he would use the 14th amendment to raise the debt ceiling ?without hesitation.?

Clinton told The National Memo?s Joe Conason that he would invoke the constitutional option and ?force the courts to stop me? if ?it came to that? and a deal could not be reached with Congress.

?I think the Constitution is clear and I think this idea that the Congress gets to vote twice on whether to pay for [expenditures] it has appropriated is crazy,? Clinton said.

The Obama White House, however, has adamantly denied that the 14th amendment is an option.

?It's pretty categorical. We're not exploring this. That's not an option,? White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said Monday. ?There is no mechanism that allows us to get around the fact that on August 2nd, if the measures haven't been taken, we go into default.?

Clinton said lifting the debt ceiling ?is necessary to pay for appropriations already made? by Congress. ?You can?t say, ?Well, we won the last election and we didn?t vote for some of that stuff, so we?re going to throw the whole country?s credit into arrears,? he added.

Despite saying he would raise the debt ceiling without congressional legislation, Clinton thinks the issue will be resolved by the August 2 deadline. ?It looks to me like they?re going to make an agreement, and that?s smart,? he said."

Is Powdered Toast Man only Bill Clinton is disguise?:

Barefootsies · 07-20-2011, 07:14 AM

blackmonsters · 07-20-2011, 07:16 AM

One time in band camp, I fucked a jar of peanut butter.

Wizzo · 07-20-2011, 07:16 AM

Bring back Bill! Clinton was the best president in the modern era and sadly I didn't recognize it at the time so I didn't vote for him.

PS... have no idea what the crazy OP wrote because life is too short...

Babaganoosh · 07-20-2011, 07:18 AM

Marion, get lost. You're clown shoes.

brassmonkey · 07-20-2011, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters

One time in band camp, I fucked a jar of peanut butter.

too much info dude.

you sat there and ate it didnt you

TisMe · 07-20-2011, 07:24 AM

Wow, each and every word Sally types further shows the depth of his stupidity.

No sense insulting this idiot, you can't make him look worse than his own words do.

blackmonsters · 07-20-2011, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

too much info dude.

you sat there and ate it didnt you

I made a bunch of sandwiches with it and chicks kept coming back for more.

I put the nut in peanut MuaFucka!

brassmonkey · 07-20-2011, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters

I made a bunch of sandwiches with it and chicks kept coming back for more.

I put the nut in peanut MuaFucka!

Brujah · 07-20-2011, 07:32 AM

God, where is FFVB when you need it?

Jman · 07-20-2011, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by TisMe

Wow, each and every word Sally types further shows the depth of his stupidity.

No sense insulting this idiot, you can't make him look worse than his own words do.

Type.... Silly Rant as only one move. Cut n Past

AdultKing · 07-20-2011, 07:33 AM

Does Marion Lynn run this big gay porn site ?

http://www.biggayallsbiggayporn.info/

It's in amongst a whole heap of other whacky sites he runs.

Nice design job, with the links down the bottom included with his crappy free wordpress template. Almost beats www.adultadsusa.com

TheDoc · 07-20-2011, 08:03 AM

Only a complete idiot would twist letting Congress do its actual job into a dictatorship of some type.... wait, an idiot did twist it like that.

Anyway, they best come to a compromise or Obama does have the power to force 'his' play, and nothing could be done to stop it.

SallyRand · 07-20-2011, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Only a complete idiot would twist letting Congress do its actual job into a dictatorship of some type.... wait, an idiot did twist it like that.

Anyway, they best come to a compromise or Obama does have the power to force 'his' play, and nothing could be done to stop it.

Oh?

Shows wherein the Constitution the President is granted such powers.

Adn who would stop him?

The Supreme Court of The United States, that's who!

Did it to FDR and FDR was nearly impeached over it.

The difference between FDR and Obama is that Obama WOULD not only be impeached but convicted at the impeachment hearing.

On second thought, I hope he tries it.

TheDoc · 07-20-2011, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

...oh no, not the 14th amendment ace up his sleeve play bullshit.........again

Let me get this straight... after posting the actual part in the 14th amendment for you and Clinton saying it could be used - you're still too stupid to accept it?

Wait... of course you are, you're bringing it up, again!

TheDoc · 07-20-2011, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

Oh?

Shows wherein the Constitution the President is granted such powers.

Adn who would stop him?

The Supreme Court of The United States, that's who!

Did it to FDR and FDR was nearly impeached over it.

The difference between FDR and Obama is that Obama WOULD not only be impeached but convicted at the impeachment hearing.

On second thought, I hope he tries it.

Look up the amendment and you'll see it. It gives him the power, not congress when they can't freaking do it. At that, they couldn't stop it, they could only take action after it's going, which they wouldn't do or win.

What FDR went through and Obama is vastly different, it's not even possible to relate the two.

Hell he doesn't have to use it, he could just use his power to sign anything he likes, then let the idiots fight over it afterward, and he still wouldn't be impeached for it.

TheDoc · 07-20-2011, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

And you can't read. Because a former impeached president "thinks" it can apply to the problem when in fact, 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution allows the President to disregard the statutory debt limit,” but rather “the Constitution explicitly places the borrowing authority with Congress, not the President.”

You're so fucking stupid you should move back to Canada. As normal when you're wrong you'll weasel words because your ego is just that frail.

Hahaha, what a dip shit.

If Congress fails to uphold the Constitution, it's the Presidents job to do it - moron. And if Congress which is the people dealing with this right now, can't solve it - which by the Constitution they are legally bound to do, it would mean the President does it.

You should stop talking American Gov or Politics... clearly you're not an American.

marcop · 07-20-2011, 08:59 AM

SallyRand · 07-20-2011, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Look up the amendment and you'll see it. It gives him the power, not congress. At that, they couldn't stop it, they could only take action after it's going, which they wouldn't do or win.

What FDR went through and Obama is vastly different, it's not even possible to relate the two.

Hell he doesn't have to use it, he could just use his power to sign anything he likes, then let the idiots fight over it afterward, and he still wouldn't be impeached for it.

Thank you for the opportunity to clearly and finally demonstrate that you are completely full of shit.

The 14th Amendment does NOT give the President the power to unilaterally implace a budget but rather SPECIFICALLY RESERVES THAT POWER TO THE CONGRESS AND THE CONGRESS ALONE!

Reprinted below is the complete text of the Fourteenth Amendment and please take special note of the wording of Section Five (5)!

"Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article."

TheDoc · 07-20-2011, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

You moron they ARE upholding the constitution and the president does not like the terms. Look at you acting like the typical GFY Clown, I love it.

THEY have to agree with EACH OTHER, by a vote, which it hasn't made it all the way through yet... so again you show how f'in stupid you are on how the american gov works, as I said, clearly you're not american.

Rochard · 07-20-2011, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters

One time in band camp, I fucked a jar of peanut butter.

I know right?

TheDoc · 07-20-2011, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

Thank you for the opportunity to clearly and finally demonstrate that you are completely full of shit.

The 14th Amendment does NOT give the President to unilaterally implace a budget but rather SPECIFICALLY RESERVES THAT POWER TO THE CONGRESS AND THE CONGRESS ALONE!

Reprinted below is the complete text of the Fourteenth Amendment and please take special note of the wording of Section Five (5)!

"Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article."

Read idiot... Section 4: "The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned."

Idiot... if they can't agree on it, ie: vote to pass the damn thing, it shall not be questioned. And if Congress fails to do it's job to uphold the constitution, it is the Presidents job to ensure it's not questioned, ie: uphold the constitution.

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to expose more your stupidity here on gfy. What's best, is even another President is saying it, and you two still question.. What a bunch of idiots.

epitome · 07-20-2011, 09:12 AM

When does Marion become an enemy of the state?

Do you think they'll be a YouTube video when they take him down?

One can only hope!

SallyRand · 07-20-2011, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Hahaha, what a dip shit.

If Congress fails to uphold the Constitution, it's the Presidents job to do it - moron. And if Congress which is the people dealing with this right now, can't solve it - which by the Constitution they are legally bound to do, it would mean the President does it.

You should stop talking American Gov or Politics... clearly you're not an American.

I think you'd better show wherein the Constitution the President is given such authority as to emplace a budget.

I'll save you the trouble.

Nowhere in the Constitution is the President given such authority but have a good time looking!

raymor · 07-20-2011, 09:17 AM

"the validity of the public debt ... shall not be questioned" says to me that Obama has to pay the existing debt, not that he's allowed to borrow as much as he wants. In this case, it means he haa to pay the bond holders first, even if that leaves no money to give his ACORN buddies.

EthnicLover · 07-20-2011, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

First, let it be clearly understood that there is no "constitutional option" in this matter. The "constitional optioni" is the product of the crazed socialist mind of Bill Clinton!

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...t-ceiling.html

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Bill Clinton: I Would Use 14th Amendment To Raise The Debt Ceiling

July 19, 2011 4:16 PM

BC News? Mary Bruce (@marykbruce) Reports:

With the deadline to raise the debt ceiling just two weeks away, former President Bill Clinton said that if he were in President Obama?s shoes, he would use the 14th amendment to raise the debt ceiling ?without hesitation.?

Clinton told The National Memo?s Joe Conason that he would invoke the constitutional option and ?force the courts to stop me? if ?it came to that? and a deal could not be reached with Congress.

?I think the Constitution is clear and I think this idea that the Congress gets to vote twice on whether to pay for [expenditures] it has appropriated is crazy,? Clinton said.

The Obama White House, however, has adamantly denied that the 14th amendment is an option.

?It's pretty categorical. We're not exploring this. That's not an option,? White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said Monday. ?There is no mechanism that allows us to get around the fact that on August 2nd, if the measures haven't been taken, we go into default.?

Clinton said lifting the debt ceiling ?is necessary to pay for appropriations already made? by Congress. ?You can?t say, ?Well, we won the last election and we didn?t vote for some of that stuff, so we?re going to throw the whole country?s credit into arrears,? he added.

Despite saying he would raise the debt ceiling without congressional legislation, Clinton thinks the issue will be resolved by the August 2 deadline. ?It looks to me like they?re going to make an agreement, and that?s smart,? he said."

Is Powdered Toast Man only Bill Clinton is disguise?:

http://balkin.blogspot.com/2011/07/w...section-4.html

By the way, what is a socialist?

TheDoc · 07-20-2011, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

I think you'd better show wherein the Constitution the President is given such authority as to emplace a budget.

I'll save you the trouble.

Nowhere in the Constitution is the President given such authority but have a good time looking!

Hahaha... it's called congressional override.

Btw, the budget is already a law, thus Obama has many options he could use to force this if he really wanted. The 14th amendment is simply want gives him the power to tell everyone to fuck off if they fail to take care of it.

TheDoc · 07-20-2011, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Again clown the vote is in motion as the president does not like the terms with the fact they'll default if it's not decided by Aug 2nd. But here you are again, trying to deflect your original weak argument that the President can use the 14th. Why?- he can't because if he could, he'd have already done it.

Wait, doesn't your wife run a program and you're in here spouting your mouth off to cover your moronic frail ego that can never be wrong? I bet the aff's reading this sure are confident with that program.

I love that you now argue that Bill Clinton is wrong as well.... it truly shows how stupid you really are.

So now you know me and my wife? Hahahah... and yeah, aff's run away, nobody promotes topbucks all because of the shit I say on gfy. Hahaha, what an idiot.

SallyRand · 07-20-2011, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Hahaha... it's called congressional override.

Btw, the budget is already a law, thus Obama has many options he could use to force this if he really wanted. The 14th amendment is simply want gives him the power to tell everyone to fuck off if they fail to take care of it.

For the second time, where?

Please show us the Section empowering the President to unilaterally emplace a budget.

TheDoc · 07-20-2011, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

For the second time, where?

Please show us the Section empowering the President to unilaterally emplace a budget.

And I already answered you, twice.... I wont do it a 3rd time.

Please show me where I said the President had the power to unilaterally emplace a budget?

TheDoc · 07-20-2011, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

You still don't get it do you? - It has nothing to do with the 14th being valid and everything to do with Presidents coming up with BS alternatives to calm fears so the market doesn't stall.

Now you're finally correct because most of what you write is just pure shit. Your words not mine.

What you fail to get is a President and the actual amendment say other wise, so it really has nothing to do with what I say, you're arguing against another President now - which is making you look rather stupid.

Yep, I say shit on gfy... have for years, only a lame duck such as yourself continues to spin topics off so they can have the conversion jump ship, making them feel as if they're winning something.

SallyRand · 07-20-2011, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

What you fail to get is a President and the actual amendment say other wise, so it really has nothing to do with what I say, you're arguing against another President now - which is making you look rather stupid.

Yep, I say shit on gfy... have for years, only a lame duck such as yourself continues to spin topics off so they can have the conversion jump ship, making them feel as if they're winning something.

Third time!

Where?

"Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article."

AdultKing · 07-20-2011, 09:51 AM

Yes we get it, you can cut and paste Marion. What's your next trick ?

TheDoc · 07-20-2011, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

Third time!

Where?

If this in relation to the question-statement you claim I made, I can't prove something correct or wrong when you made it up in your head.

However, related to what has to happen and why, and how it happens, the answers have been posted above.

TheDoc · 07-20-2011, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

That's the best you can do? - Again, if they could invoke the 14th, they've would of done it already.

Yep.. showing facts is the best I have.

They can't invoke it yet, we aren't in default.

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

You just actually described yourself Doc. Matter of fact, you're so go at deflecting your original wrong opinion that turns to bitter pussification, supported by groveling and eventual banning. In short, you have perfected this.

Yep, nothing but twists and deflection, from me, after you wrote this dribble, again?

TheDoc · 07-20-2011, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

They can't invoke it yet?-THEN WHAT'S THE FUCKING POINT OF YOUR ARGUMENT. You just owned yourself, because the threats/use of the 14th after default means fuck all nothing.

Damn you're stupid... fuck.

Barry-xlovecam · 07-20-2011, 11:12 AM

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14th Amendment

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, ... shall not be questioned.

Sort of a stretch but in essence it does say that even though its intent was not to honor the debts incurred in insurrection (the Confederacy), i.e., the Civil War.

A torturous interpretation but it could work in court ...

JamesGw · 07-20-2011, 11:24 AM

You're silly. That's all I have to say.

Barry-xlovecam · 07-20-2011, 12:29 PM

A torturous interpretation = CRAP SHOOT

raymor · 07-20-2011, 12:55 PM

The fact that the president, who just happens to be a constitutional lawyer, says he has no such power should tell you something. Clinton is pretty much the only person who thinks there's anything to it. This is the same guy who, when asked about his perjury, replied "it depends on what the meaning of 'is' is", so I wouldn't trust him to interpret anything.

TheDoc · 07-20-2011, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by raymor

The fact that the president, who just happens to be a constitutional lawyer, says he has no such power should tell you something. Clinton is pretty much the only person who thinks there's anything to it. This is the same guy who, when asked about his perjury, replied "it depends on what the meaning of 'is' is", so I wouldn't trust him to interpret anything.

Obama was a civil rights lawyer, however he did teach constitutional law for something like 12 years. He wasn't a litigation lawyer, more of a researcher (hence his college jobs as well), the little bit he did fight was pretty much all civil.

Barry-xlovecam · 07-20-2011, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by raymor

The fact that the president, who just happens to be a constitutional lawyer, says he has no such power should tell you something. Clinton is pretty much the only person who thinks there's anything to it. This is the same guy who, when asked about his perjury, replied "it depends on what the meaning of 'is' is", so I wouldn't trust him to interpret anything.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics...bref=obnetwork

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[B]ut others, including liberal scholar Laurence Tribe, a professor at Harvard Law School who once taught President Obama, contend that the amendment means that Congress, which holds the power of the purse, is under a constitutional obligation to cover its past appropriations by extending the nation's borrowing authority.

?Nothing in the 14th Amendment or in any other constitutional provision suggests that the president may usurp legislative power to prevent a violation of the Constitution,? Tribe wrote in a recent op-ed in the New York Times.

But that is not a universal opinion. Other scholars argue that the debt ceiling itself is a violation of the 14th Amendment because it allows Congress to play ?political games? with the nation?s credit. And there are some, like Clinton, who believe that Obama could essentially declare a national emergency and raise the debt ceiling under Section 4 of the 14th amendment.

"The president can go on television on July 30 (or whatever the practically last possible moment is) and say that he has been advised by (some of) his lawyers that the Constitution is indeed not a suicide pact and that Section 4 does in fact authorize him to take whatever steps are necessary to leave the national debt 'unquestioned,'" wrote Sanford Levinson, a law professor at the University of Texas, on the Balkinization legal blog. ...(emphasis added)

There are a few law professors that don't agree with you ...

Tempest · 07-20-2011, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

I think you'd better show wherein the Constitution the President is given such authority as to emplace a budget.

I'll save you the trouble.

Nowhere in the Constitution is the President given such authority but have a good time looking!

The president could issue an Executive Order as he's supposed to execute the instructions of the Congress and also to ensure that the laws are "faithfully" executed... So he could order that all money keep flowing so that the lawful spending bill be adhered to in order to meet the requirements of the 14th amendment of the constitution.

Of course that would mean that the debt ceiling law be "ignored" so the shit would hit the fan.. But then again, it seems ridiculous that congress would pass a debt ceiling bill that makes it so that their very own spending bill can't be adhered to in the first place. It's one big cluster fuck...

maxxtro · 07-21-2011, 02:19 AM

You Americans know you are fucked, right?

2MuchMark · 07-21-2011, 04:30 AM

SallyRand,

I'm not even American and even I know more about American politics and the US Constitution than you.

President Obama CAN raise the debt ceiling and use the 14th Amendment which reads "The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law?shall not be questioned.? to back him up. However, he can't do it just like that. The US would have to have its credit downgraded, the economy would have to be collapsing, stocks begin tumbling etc, before he could do this.

Rand: It's people like you, Michelle Bachman, Sarah Palin, and all the pricks at Fox who continue to put out this kind of noise and pull American's attention away from what is really going on. It's really sad.

AdultKing · 07-21-2011, 05:32 AM

But it's ok, Sally Rand, also known as Marion Lynn, does know how to cut and paste like any right wing loony whacko!

07-20-2011, 07:09 AM	#1
SallyRand So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: In A Galaxie Far, Far Away! Posts: 3,487	Bill Clinton Wants Obama To Ignore The Constitution And Act As A Dictator! First, let it be clearly understood that there is no "constitutional option" in this matter. The "constitional optioni" is the product of the crazed socialist mind of Bill Clinton! http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...t-ceiling.html " Bill Clinton: I Would Use 14th Amendment To Raise The Debt Ceiling July 19, 2011 4:16 PM BC News? Mary Bruce (@marykbruce) Reports: With the deadline to raise the debt ceiling just two weeks away, former President Bill Clinton said that if he were in President Obama?s shoes, he would use the 14th amendment to raise the debt ceiling ?without hesitation.? Clinton told The National Memo?s Joe Conason that he would invoke the constitutional option and ?force the courts to stop me? if ?it came to that? and a deal could not be reached with Congress. ?I think the Constitution is clear and I think this idea that the Congress gets to vote twice on whether to pay for [expenditures] it has appropriated is crazy,? Clinton said. The Obama White House, however, has adamantly denied that the 14th amendment is an option. ?It's pretty categorical. We're not exploring this. That's not an option,? White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said Monday. ?There is no mechanism that allows us to get around the fact that on August 2nd, if the measures haven't been taken, we go into default.? Clinton said lifting the debt ceiling ?is necessary to pay for appropriations already made? by Congress. ?You can?t say, ?Well, we won the last election and we didn?t vote for some of that stuff, so we?re going to throw the whole country?s credit into arrears,? he added. Despite saying he would raise the debt ceiling without congressional legislation, Clinton thinks the issue will be resolved by the August 2 deadline. ?It looks to me like they?re going to make an agreement, and that?s smart,? he said." Is Powdered Toast Man only Bill Clinton is disguise?:

07-20-2011, 07:14 AM	#2
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07-20-2011, 07:16 AM	#3
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07-20-2011, 07:16 AM	#4
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07-20-2011, 07:32 AM	#10
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07-20-2011, 07:18 AM	#5
Babaganoosh ♥♥♥ Likes Hugs ♥♥♥ Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: /home Posts: 15,841	Marion, get lost. You're clown shoes.

07-20-2011, 07:24 AM	#7
TisMe Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,719	Wow, each and every word Sally types further shows the depth of his stupidity. No sense insulting this idiot, you can't make him look worse than his own words do.

07-20-2011, 07:33 AM	#12
AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,601	Does Marion Lynn run this big gay porn site ? http://www.biggayallsbiggayporn.info/ It's in amongst a whole heap of other whacky sites he runs. Nice design job, with the links down the bottom included with his crappy free wordpress template. Almost beats www.adultadsusa.com

07-20-2011, 08:03 AM	#13
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	Only a complete idiot would twist letting Congress do its actual job into a dictatorship of some type.... wait, an idiot did twist it like that. Anyway, they best come to a compromise or Obama does have the power to force 'his' play, and nothing could be done to stop it. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

07-20-2011, 08:59 AM	#18
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07-20-2011, 09:12 AM	#23
epitome So Fucking Lame Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 12,156	When does Marion become an enemy of the state? Do you think they'll be a YouTube video when they take him down? One can only hope!

07-20-2011, 09:17 AM	#25
raymor Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,745	"the validity of the public debt ... shall not be questioned" says to me that Obama has to pay the existing debt, not that he's allowed to borrow as much as he wants. In this case, it means he haa to pay the bond holders first, even if that leaves no money to give his ACORN buddies. Last edited by raymor; 07-20-2011 at 09:18 AM..

07-20-2011, 09:51 AM	#33
AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,601	Yes we get it, you can cut and paste Marion. What's your next trick ?

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07-20-2011, 12:29 PM	#39
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07-20-2011, 12:55 PM	#40
raymor Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,745	The fact that the president, who just happens to be a constitutional lawyer, says he has no such power should tell you something. Clinton is pretty much the only person who thinks there's anything to it. This is the same guy who, when asked about his perjury, replied "it depends on what the meaning of 'is' is", so I wouldn't trust him to interpret anything. Last edited by raymor; 07-20-2011 at 12:56 PM..

07-21-2011, 02:19 AM	#44
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07-21-2011, 04:30 AM	#45
2MuchMark Videochat Solutions Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 48,996	SallyRand, I'm not even American and even I know more about American politics and the US Constitution than you. President Obama CAN raise the debt ceiling and use the 14th Amendment which reads "The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law?shall not be questioned.? to back him up. However, he can't do it just like that. The US would have to have its credit downgraded, the economy would have to be collapsing, stocks begin tumbling etc, before he could do this. Rand: It's people like you, Michelle Bachman, Sarah Palin, and all the pricks at Fox who continue to put out this kind of noise and pull American's attention away from what is really going on. It's really sad. __________________ Custom Coding \| Videochat Solutions \| Age Verification \| IT Help & Support www.2Much.net

07-21-2011, 05:32 AM	#46
AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,601	But it's ok, Sally Rand, also known as Marion Lynn, does know how to cut and paste like any right wing loony whacko!