Hows this for a twist. Norway bomber = Knights Templar Mason

[onwebcam]

The offender let out the video and manifesto on the Web

"The video and the document should have been uploaded on the web a few hours before the bomb went off in downtown Oslo. "

"In the document, which is over 1500 pages the author elaborates on events throughout history and will repeatedly return to the Knights Templar, or Knights Templar as they say in English.

Today, the Knights Templar, an order within the Masonic movement, which also Anders Behring Breivik was a member of. He will now be excluded from the Masonic Order. "

http://translate.google.com/translat...t-3545104.html

[dyna mo]

i'll clear up the misleading title: the terrorist was not a member of the knights of the templar.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i'll clear up the misleading title: the terrorist was not a member of the knights of the templar.

Probably because there is no Knights of the Templar. There is however A Masonic order known as the Knights Templar of which he was a member.

[Overload]

he was a believer ... simple as that ... people into religion are BELIEVERS ... fundamentalism or "ultra" in religion or politics = sheer evil ... bottomline: religion = evil ... i stay away from that shit ... 14 billion years and mankind still believes in trashy old stories ... tsk tsk tsk ... sapiens eh? lmao

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Probably because there is no Knights of the Templar. There is however A Masonic order known as the Knights Templar of which he was a member.

not an expert but the stories i've read state he was a fan only, and was not allowed membership due to his fanatical belief system, i guess more will be revealed and the truth will come out soon enough.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

not an expert but the stories i've read state he was a fan only, and was not allowed membership due to his fanatical belief system, i guess more will be revealed and the truth will come out soon enough.

"Today, the Knights Templar, an order within the Masonic movement, which also Anders Behring Breivik was a member of. He will now be excluded from the Masonic Order. "

I believe that pretty much covers it.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

"Today, the Knights Templar, an order within the Masonic movement, which also Anders Behring Breivik was a member of. He will now be excluded from the Masonic Order. "

I believe that pretty much covers it.

feel free to argue with someone else about it. as i said, i read articleS stating otherwise and will wait for more to be revealed over time.

[Agent 488]

he was a mason, not a knights templar you gullible idiot.

[dyna mo]

this whole story is emerging due to his signing the manifesto
Andrew Berwick
Justiciar Knight Commander

Knights Templar Europe

Knights Templar Norway

[L-Pink]

Knights templar don't wear Izod's.

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[Agent 488]

he thinks his mass murder will cause a rebirth of the knights templar you illiterate moron.

[Agent 488]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar

"The organization existed for approximately two centuries in the Middle Ages."

if you had any semblance of literacy you would know they don't exist today but are a popular touchstone for conspiracy kooks today, thus his reference.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

he thinks his mass murder will cause a rebirth of the knights templar you illiterate moron.

Originally Posted by Agent 488

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar

"The organization existed for approximately two centuries in the Middle Ages."

if you had any semblance of literacy you would know they don't exist today but are a popular touchstone for conspiracy kooks today, thus his reference.

"In it, "Berwick" declares himself a "Justiciar Knight Commander," a leading member of a "re-founded" Knights Templar group formed at an April 2002 meeting in London. He claims the founding group has 9 members, whom he does not name, and that three other sympathizers were not able to attend the original meeting. "

I'm familiar with them.. They consist of 12 members and the 13th being a diety.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

"Today, the Knights Templar, an order within the Masonic movement, which also Anders Behring Breivik was a member of. He will now be excluded from the Masonic Order. "

I believe that pretty much covers it.

if this is the case then there would be a public statement by the organization excluding him, but there is not.

THAT thoroughly covers it.

[Agent 488]

lol anyone can create - and they do - a new "knights templar" just like there are new groups of "illuminati" or whatever - doesn't mean they have anything to do with the original historical versions.

[Agent 488]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...ilding/page79&

i assume he was "Anonymous 8 - Nationality: Norwegian Protestant "

as an aside looks like he was part of an organized movement.

but if me and my friends started a group and called us "the illuminati" does not mean we were connected to adam weishaupt.

[dyna mo]

let's give neo-nazi groups validity while were at it.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

lol anyone can create - and they do - a new "knights templar" just like there are new groups of "illuminati" or whatever - doesn't mean they have anything to do with the original historical versions.

Anyone can claim to be "Al Qaeda" or claim anyone is "Al Qaeda" doesn't mean they had anything to do with the original CIA created version.

The fact is he wasn't "Al Qaeda" as he was originally portrayed. At least not in the Muslim sense. He was from the other side. (yet in reality two sides of the same coin)

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...ilding/page79&

i assume he was "Anonymous 8 - Nationality: Norwegian Protestant "

as an aside looks like he was part of an organized movement.

but if me and my friends started a group and called us "the illuminati" does not mean we were connected to adam weishaupt.

If you and your friends start a group following the bible does that mean you are connected to God?

He and his "friends" were followers of the original. Do you not see the correlation??

[iamtam]

more like al-cracka at this point.

[dyna mo]

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[Bill8]

His 2083 video is kinda haunting. I gather it keeps getting removed, then pops up again in google news searches.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=rAwp2FnRmsE

lol and he used modern warfare 2 to "train" for killing kids. Funny picture.

http://kotaku.com/5824147/oslo-terro...craft-as-cover

"I just bought Modern Warfare 2, the game," he writes, under "Andrew Berwick" (an Anglicization of his Norwegian name). "It is probably the best military simulator out there and it's one of the hottest games this year. ... I see MW2 more as a part of my training-simulation than anything else. I've still learned to love it though and especially the multiplayer part is amazing. You can more or less completely simulate actual operations."

Police have not officially confirmed the manifesto is Breivik's but it contains multiple references to his actual name, his height, weight and place of origin, his World of Warcraft activities, server and his handle ("Conservativism" and "Conservative"). The manifesto was originally found by Kevin Slaughter, who posted a Google doc link to it through his Twitter feed.

this is supposedly his master document:

http://www.kevinislaughter.com/wp-co...dependence.pdf

from this page linked from the twitter feed mentioned in that excerpt.

http://www.kevinislaughter.com/2011/...nce-manifesto/

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I realize none of the above directly connects to the Masonic Knights Templar.

[onwebcam]

He looks pretty Masonic to me. From his facebook.

[buzzard]

Has nothing to do with Freemasonry.
It's all about getting your thoughts moving to include white people when you think terrorist.
Look now... Seeeee... you can't trust your neighbors! Everybody is a terrorist, not just brown people.

Norway; such a peaceful country, harmless and beautiful.
Reminds me of George Bush doing the most benevolent thing possible; one of the only times they showed him doing it in 8 years, reading books to kids... the morning of 9/11.

It's always two extremes with their one motive global agenda

[Agent 488]

his mainfesto is interesting, but nothing new if you followed the growth of of the new mutant anti-muslim/immigration but pro-gay pro-zionist new right in europe over the last few years.

pretty much a frankfurt school based conspiracy. interesting to see how fast the cops track down this secret society.

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by buzzard

It's all about getting your thoughts moving to include white people when you think terrorist.
Look now... Seeeee... you can't trust your neighbors! Everybody is a terrorist, not just brown people.

we've got a winner.

[Agent 488]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

we've got a winner.

of course you have zero proof to back up this theory, but proof piling up that he was a xenophobe trying to start a race war.

why go with the no proof belief system?

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

of course you have zero proof to back up this theory, but proof piling up that he was a xenophobe trying to start a race war.

one does not exclude the other.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by buzzard

Has nothing to do with Freemasonry.
It's all about getting your thoughts moving to include white people when you think terrorist.
Look now... Seeeee... you can't trust your neighbors! Everybody is a terrorist, not just brown people.

Norway; such a peaceful country, harmless and beautiful.
Reminds me of George Bush doing the most benevolent thing possible; one of the only times they showed him doing it in 8 years, reading books to kids... the morning of 9/11.

It's always two extremes with their one motive global agenda

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by buzzard

Has nothing to do with Freemasonry.
It's all about getting your thoughts moving to include white people when you think terrorist.
Look now... Seeeee... you can't trust your neighbors! Everybody is a terrorist, not just brown people.

Norway; such a peaceful country, harmless and beautiful.
Reminds me of George Bush doing the most benevolent thing possible; one of the only times they showed him doing it in 8 years, reading books to kids... the morning of 9/11.

It's always two extremes with their one motive global agenda

not even close to accurate. in fact, if you notice, the news agencies ALL went from calling this a terrorist event to a local murdering lunatic massacre event after finding out the early facts.

[directfiesta]

Deputy police chief Roger Andresen declined to comment on the possible motive for the killings, but said: "We have no more information than ... what has been found on (his) own websites, which is that is goes toward the right (wing) and that it is, so to speak, Christian fundamentalist."

Breivik, who liked guns and weight-lifting, belonged to an anti-immigration party and opposed multiculturalism, Islam and the "cultural Marxists" of the establishment.

Seems like a friend of Michele Bachmann ...

[Agent 488]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

one does not exclude the other.

yes but you have zero proof for your theory. as much as he is jesus christ and was initiating the second coming.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

not even close to accurate. in fact, if you notice, the news agencies ALL went from calling this a terrorist event to a local murdering lunatic massacre event after finding out the early facts.

Yeah because we all know a mason can't be a terrorist only a local murdering lunatic massacre event holder.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Yeah because we all know a mason can't be a terrorist only a local murdering lunatic massacre event holder.

you missed the point entirely.

[Agent 488]

damn what an evil manifesto - providing a guide on how assassinate marxists, journalists, that you should target meeting of socialist parties in your country (thus explaining why he targeted the youth meeting), how you should flame throw people to make the victims a living symbol ... what a horrible person ...

[Agent 488]

he also recommends using anthrax, nukes and teaming up with al-qaeda (?) this guy is nuts ... wonder how many kooks he is going to motivate?

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

you missed the point entirely.

O really? Originally they wanted to blame "Al Qaeda" only after they find that he is a member of the same group America's founding fathers were in a place where most people can throw a stone and hit a masonic lodge it then becomes "a local murdering lunatic massacre event."

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

yes but you have zero proof for your theory.

Lessons drawn from history. The "strategy of tension" used in Italy, Germany, Belgium etc.

And it seems to fit with what he wrote in his manifesto.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

that you should target meeting of socialist parties in your country (thus explaining why he targeted the youth meeting),

That does clear up that question.

.

[Agent 488]

very weird manifesto. it ends like a plenty of fish dating questionnaire?

same taste in music and books as his facebook.

big WoW fan.

[u-Bob]

looks like he doesn't like porn on TV...

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

O really? Originally they wanted to blame "Al Qaeda" only after they find that he is a member of the same group America's founding fathers were in a place where most people can throw a stone and hit a masonic lodge it then becomes "a local murdering lunatic massacre event."

umm, no.... that's not at all how this has unfolded.

[Agent 488]

he does blow a small fortune on high class hookers before his "martyrdom operation" though ...

[Bill8]

Man that is a freaky fucking video.

But, the rise of the hard right in europe has been happening for a while. Their land bridge to north africa and west asia makes them uniquely vulnerable to migration.

And the great migrations have just started. Billions of humans will be trying to move north and up this century. Eurasia will suffer the worst.

We are going to see a lot more like this.

I've got a friend who was an army captain who spent years in europe recently, he talks a lot like this guy.

The jews this, white european cultural superiority that, the muslims are coming.

[Agent 488]

Originally Posted by Bill8

Man that is a freaky fucking video.

But, the rise of the hard right in europe has been happening for a while. Their land bridge to north africa and west asia makes them uniquely vulnerable to migration.

And the great migrations have just started. Billions of humans will be trying to move north and up this century. Eurasia will suffer the worst.

We are going to see a lot more like this.

I've got a friend who was an army captain who spent years in europe recently, he talks a lot like this guy.

The jews this, white european cultural superiority that, the muslims are coming.

this new "vienna school" that this guy follows is a weird mutation of the traditional nationalist euro right. they are pro-jewish, don't have that much of a hard-on for race as much as hatred for muslims and marxists.

a bunch of euro new right leaders were just in israel for a solidarity mission recently.

[Vendzilla]

the Knights Templar died out in the 14th century, they we made up of mostly support and medical soldiers, but they we well trained and armed for the time.
They started during the crusades and lasted a couple hundred years, anyone that started a new order is a bunch of losers

[Bill8]

It's going to be interesting to see the narratives that our american and their euro hard right anti-immigration and anti-management believers spin out about this guy and what he did.

The whole running thru a labor party camp killing their kids thing is a political hotwire.

I dunno tho, I think the whole justiciar knights, knights templar, christian martydom, revive the crusade mythos thing could catch on.

[cykoe6]

Damnnnnnnn....... it turns out the Freemasons really are behind everything.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

He looks pretty Masonic to me. From his facebook.

[Gouge]

It?s also important to note that the terms of American politics are not easily transferable to European politics. Often, the extremes in Europe are communists on the left and fascists on the right. In America, ?extreme right wing? has been hijacked to label conservatives who adhere strictly to the Constitution, or who fight for legal immigration. (Some on the American left have even succeeded in making ?extreme right wing? synonymous with the Tea Party.) In Europe, however, the term could mean zealous nationalists and militant fascists.