Webcam site fraudster - GoFuckYourself.com

timoxxl2 · 08-14-2011, 03:42 AM

Lately I talked to different owners of webcam sites.
It seems many people are able to set up webcam sites technically - and sometimes even fill them with content -, but they dont have the slightest ideas how fraudster can harm their business. without preventing visitrs fraud and models fraud, they will loose most of their money sooner or later.

I ran a webcam site for several years and went through all of this. If you want to know more details about tricks and dangers, contact me on [email protected]

seeandsee · 08-14-2011, 04:50 AM

I just can imagine what kind of tricks are they perform...

Sabby · 08-14-2011, 05:34 AM

what webcam sites give you grief? Please share.

Sabby

Sabby · 08-14-2011, 05:38 AM

Unless you are a total idiot you wont sign up to fraud site. And if u do... you've learned something valuable.

Sabby

Barry-xlovecam · 08-14-2011, 08:40 AM

Anti-fraud is an ongoing effort ...
Don't make the effort ? screwed ...

Little tip: USA VPN IPs are used in a lot of fraud ...

jhmplondon · 08-14-2011, 08:51 AM

as an affiliate of one of the biggest cam sites I think I know what you're talking about, I do very well with them, however the number of chargebacks is incredibly high in this business.

WMNBnet · 08-14-2011, 08:53 AM

do u have payoneer for studio owner`s? Barry?

scottybuzz · 08-14-2011, 08:58 AM

Hey maybe you could post on here for everyone, maybe in like a help guide. Would be very helpful and you could share something with the community in an effort to beat fraud.

fraud sucks

2MuchMark · 08-14-2011, 09:24 AM

The best way to prevent fraud on your webcam site (or any site for that matter) is to pay very close attention to everything that is going on, and to write some software that will help you to do this.

A few years ago, we wrote our own fraud detection software that we use on our own sites, called Ahmad. http://2much.net/fraud-detection.php it has made a huge difference and has helped keep our fraud and chargebacks very low.

Basically, here is what you want to watch out for.

First of course, let your own processor do all of their usual credit card scrubbing, and don't waste your time arguing with them. Why? Because they are out to protect you. When you lose money due to chargebacks or fraud, you lose only your profit on a membership site, but fraud on a webcam site can COST you money in the form of payouts to your models.

Next, know your customers. A site visitor who spends a lot of money on his first visit to your webcam site is probably a fraud. Why? Because this goes against basic shopper behaviour. A potential customer will take his time exploring your site, bookmark it, and come back again and again before finally deciding to spend.

Next, know your chat models. Check their sales patterns. Spy on them in the various chat rooms to see if they are doing what they are supposed to do, or doing something else. Some chat models will do their show while others just sit and chat - both are fine - but if she is just sitting there, or not even on camera, or playing a video, all while a supposed "customer" is paying for it, then chances are fraud is taking place.

When we wrote our LiveCamNetwork software, we considered all of the above and more. Customer trends that stand-out as potential fraud are highlighted, and site owners have the chance to payout on fraud, "holdback" payouts using the same model as 3rd party processors, and more.

There's a ton of credit card fraud going on out there and knowing more about your site, visitors, customers and chat models is key to keeping chargebacks and fraud to a minimum.

Barry-xlovecam · 08-14-2011, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WMNBnet

do u have payoneer for studio owner`s? Barry?

Please contact me with regard to ATM type payments ;)
We have a solution for studios now ...

Barry-xlovecam · 08-14-2011, 10:52 AM

We don't discuss anti-fraud measures on public accessible Internet Boards ? that would be read by every fraudster ...

That is like asking where the hidden security cameras are

However, for Affiliates there is no real solution as Eastern European and Asian fraudsters are using Western European and USA proxies and VPNs.

It is up to site owners to create anti-fraud policies and for processors to effectually scrub submissions.

Don't mean to be rude but learn the protocols or hire a consultant I suppose.

This is not a 'group hug' type subject ? security 101 ...

08-14-2011, 03:42 AM	#1
timoxxl2 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 997	Webcam site fraudster Lately I talked to different owners of webcam sites. It seems many people are able to set up webcam sites technically - and sometimes even fill them with content -, but they dont have the slightest ideas how fraudster can harm their business. without preventing visitrs fraud and models fraud, they will loose most of their money sooner or later. I ran a webcam site for several years and went through all of this. If you want to know more details about tricks and dangers, contact me on [email protected] __________________ esCupido.com -> Callboys.biz <- Unique Live Content LIVETIME RevShare 50% We offer ADVERTISING for dating and webcam sites -> Ask *Timo* for details -> skype: protimo2 or timo AT escupido.com or just sign up at CupidoCash.com

08-14-2011, 04:50 AM	#2
seeandsee Check SIG! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Europe (Skype: gojkoas) Posts: 50,945	I just can imagine what kind of tricks are they perform... __________________ BUY MY SIG - 50$/Year Contact here

08-14-2011, 05:34 AM	#3
Sabby Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,888	what webcam sites give you grief? Please share. Sabby __________________ Fuck off

08-14-2011, 05:38 AM	#4
Sabby Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,888	Unless you are a total idiot you wont sign up to fraud site. And if u do... you've learned something valuable. Sabby __________________ Fuck off

08-14-2011, 08:40 AM	#5
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	Anti-fraud is an ongoing effort ... Don't make the effort ? screwed ... Little tip: USA VPN IPs are used in a lot of fraud ...

08-14-2011, 08:51 AM	#6
jhmplondon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: London, UK Posts: 225	as an affiliate of one of the biggest cam sites I think I know what you're talking about, I do very well with them, however the number of chargebacks is incredibly high in this business.

08-14-2011, 08:53 AM	#7
WMNBnet Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 30	do u have payoneer for studio owner`s? Barry? __________________ 635-495-863 http://cdn.thenextweb.com/uk/files/2...iseGraphic.png

08-14-2011, 08:58 AM	#8
scottybuzz Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Location: NY Posts: 14,800	Hey maybe you could post on here for everyone, maybe in like a help guide. Would be very helpful and you could share something with the community in an effort to beat fraud. fraud sucks __________________ $$$$$ MAKE HUGE MONEY IN CAMS - CLICK HERE $$$$$

08-14-2011, 09:24 AM	#9
2MuchMark Videochat Solutions Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 48,540	The best way to prevent fraud on your webcam site (or any site for that matter) is to pay very close attention to everything that is going on, and to write some software that will help you to do this. A few years ago, we wrote our own fraud detection software that we use on our own sites, called Ahmad. http://2much.net/fraud-detection.php it has made a huge difference and has helped keep our fraud and chargebacks very low. Basically, here is what you want to watch out for. First of course, let your own processor do all of their usual credit card scrubbing, and don't waste your time arguing with them. Why? Because they are out to protect you. When you lose money due to chargebacks or fraud, you lose only your profit on a membership site, but fraud on a webcam site can COST you money in the form of payouts to your models. Next, know your customers. A site visitor who spends a lot of money on his first visit to your webcam site is probably a fraud. Why? Because this goes against basic shopper behaviour. A potential customer will take his time exploring your site, bookmark it, and come back again and again before finally deciding to spend. Next, know your chat models. Check their sales patterns. Spy on them in the various chat rooms to see if they are doing what they are supposed to do, or doing something else. Some chat models will do their show while others just sit and chat - both are fine - but if she is just sitting there, or not even on camera, or playing a video, all while a supposed "customer" is paying for it, then chances are fraud is taking place. When we wrote our LiveCamNetwork software, we considered all of the above and more. Customer trends that stand-out as potential fraud are highlighted, and site owners have the chance to payout on fraud, "holdback" payouts using the same model as 3rd party processors, and more. There's a ton of credit card fraud going on out there and knowing more about your site, visitors, customers and chat models is key to keeping chargebacks and fraud to a minimum. __________________ VideoChat Solutions \| Custom Software \| IT Support https://www.2much.net \| https://www.lcntech.com

08-14-2011, 10:52 AM	#11
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	We don't discuss anti-fraud measures on public accessible Internet Boards ? that would be read by every fraudster ... That is like asking where the hidden security cameras are However, for Affiliates there is no real solution as Eastern European and Asian fraudsters are using Western European and USA proxies and VPNs. It is up to site owners to create anti-fraud policies and for processors to effectually scrub submissions. Don't mean to be rude but learn the protocols or hire a consultant I suppose. This is not a 'group hug' type subject ? security 101 ...