Are "Teen" sites now Illegal?

[digitaldivas]

I happened across this article from XBIZ.

http://www.xbiz.com/articles/educational/137557

Just curious if this gives anyone pause in the promotion of said above material?
Also from a legal standpoint, how can you face jailtime if you can prove beyond a shadow
of a doubt, via sponsor 2257 documents that the model in question was over 18 at the time
of shooting.

I just don't understand this.

[V_RocKs]

Spirit != letter

[marketsmart]

good, i hope this does away with all the scraped gf sites..



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[marketsmart]

will also fuck tube site operators that steal content..

good to see...




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[digitaldivas]

yes marketsmart, but will this kill the teen niche if people are too freaked out to promote it? Not that maybe only 30 percent of adult webmasters keep abreast of the laws...

I guess it is a matter of how this is construed?!?

...not to mention that the teen niche is ridiculously HUGE

[Best-In-BC]

From what I read this has nothing to do with the word teen since it doesn't imply child pornography, what it does imply is combings words or terms to help depict something as ua. Like tiny, young, lil, little and soo on.

I just skimmed over it.

[porno jew]

in canada depictions are already illegal. some poor guy got busted on a cp charge for buying a membership to a teenrev shit. no joke.

[awmnet]

lol how funny is that usa, canada, western europe and australia are totally fucked up places to live now

[raymor]

The court declined to release a guy who filmed himself raping an eleven year old girl 58 times.
I wouldn't read too much into that.

The court is tasked with determining if the statute is unconstitutional AS APPLIED IN THIS CASE. The judge simply ruled that the law is ok to be used against people who.repeatedly rape small children.

That said, I wouldn't go out of my way to make a site look like it's a twelve year old.

[BluebirdFilms]

Someone once gave me some great advice about anything I do in adult and that is, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, to most judges it sure the fuck is a duck and will land your little ass in jail.

So even if a girl isn't underage, using teen anything in your promotions can sometimes get you nailed just as quick, especially in the far more conservative states. So really what you have to do is ask yourself, is it worth the risk and potential legal bills?

[digitaldivas]

you know, I do think that in my lifetime, that we, as an industry will be challenged more and more, and that online adult will have to fight to justify it's right to exist as an instrument to both free speech and expression.

Yes, I use coed, not teen. I consider myself a very responsible person as far as putting content up on my network while I am trying to slang memberships. Even more so with my paysites. It's the broad spectrum that I'm concerned about.

Thats why I wanted to show you people this though, get your feedback, see how it came off to you. So thanks for the feedback people!

[digitaldivas]

Originally Posted by porno jew

in canada depictions are already illegal. some poor guy got busted on a cp charge for buying a membership to a teenrev shit. no joke.

I thought Larry Flynt took care of this for us in the 70's? Free speech and 1st amendment rights.

...these manipulative laws, as a guise for protecting kids, to purposefully be redirected to us, to shut us down, I mean, ...really?!? You know the stigma, middle aged man with college girl. Cougar with college boy. This is accepted and the norm in society. ...And it's a mystery that people jerk off to teen sites so much? You'd be dumb not to promote this niche imho.

I don't even really list sites with lolipops and pigtails, etc., always make damn sure there is 2257 all over the sponsor site and move on. But imho, how dare people associate and manipulate these laws under the cover of protection just to shut us down because of morality issues. When cp has nothing to do with it.

[GatorB]

Funny how none of this applies to Hollywood. I swear I saw in Not Another Teen Movie start out with a girl who is "16" take out a HUGE dildo and then masturbate with it. Oh in another part a girl wants continually begs her brother to have sex with her. This same girl later makes out with an 80 year old woman. A foreign exchange student walks around naked all throughout the movie. One has to assume since she is in high school she is under 18. That's just one example.

[digitaldivas]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Funny how none of this applies to Hollywood. I swear I saw in Not Another Teen Movie start out with a girl who is "16" take out a HUGE dildo and then masturbate with it. Oh in another part a girl wants continually begs her brother to have sex with her. This same girl later makes out with an 80 year old woman. A foreign exchange student walks around naked all throughout the movie. One has to assume since she is in high school she is under 18. That's just one example.

See, that shit would have made me uncomfortable. I, as well as all of you I am sure, are totally against exploitation. I think we police ourselves rather well, actually, as far as "our" morals within the biz go. Tis why associating us in any way to cp makes the slap in the face that much harder, when we, as an industry are so opposed to the notion of it in the first place. By far and large, we always have been...

[GatorB]

Here's an older example

Pretty Baby form 1978

Storyline

1917, the last months of legal prostitution in Storyville - New Orleans' red-light district. Hattie, a prostitute at the elegant home of Madame Nell, and her 12-year-old daughter Violet are the only ones awake with photographer Ernest J. Bellocq comes by with his camera. He takes pictures of Hattie and he fascinates Violet. Over the next few months, Nell arranges for the auction of Violet's virginity, Hattie marries and goes to St. Louis leaving Violet behind, and Violet determines to marry Bellocq. Is this idyllic or is she just a girl wearing rouge, soon to return to childhood?


When Violet turns 12 arrangements are made to auction off her virginity. Nell gives a dinner party for her best clients during which Violet, dressed only in a sheer, see-though gown is paraded around the table on a platter as the madam announces the auction. A few minutes later, redressed in a white party dress, Violet stands in the parlor while the men of the house bid on her. The winner (Don Lutenbacher), then carries Violet up to a bedroom. A short scream announces the loss of her virginity and we see her client hurriedly depart from the house. When the other girls check on Violet they find her motionless lying across the bed and fear the worst. She breaks out laughing and we realize she is only joking with them, though she winces when she sits up, telling us that her initiation into womanhood has not been completely painless.

Violet now becomes a regular part of the brothel lineup, though not always at her convenience. She is interrupted mid-bath by Madam Nell who wants to show her to a rough-looking farmer customer (Hobe May). (This scene involved nudity for Shields and is one of the more controversial in the film).

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I saw part of this movie on AMC and Brooke is actually 12 in real life when this movie was made movie and in the bath scene you can see full frontal. Tits and vagina. This is ok because it's "art". Anyone in our business that used some obviously 30 year old chick to pretended to be a girl that was 17 years 364 days old would be thrown in prison.

[porno jew]

Originally Posted by digitaldivas

I thought Larry Flynt took care of this for us in the 70's? Free speech and 1st amendment rights.

...these manipulative laws, as a guise for protecting kids, to purposefully be redirected to us, to shut us down, I mean, ...really?!? You know the stigma, middle aged man with college girl. Cougar with college boy. This is accepted and the norm in society. ...And it's a mystery that people jerk off to teen sites so much? You'd be dumb not to promote this niche imho.

I don't even really list sites with lolipops and pigtails, etc., always make damn sure there is 2257 all over the sponsor site and move on. But imho, how dare people associate and manipulate these laws under the cover of protection just to shut us down because of morality issues. When cp has nothing to do with it.

please slow down and read goth boy. is larry flint canadian?

[porno jew]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Funny how none of this applies to Hollywood. I swear I saw in Not Another Teen Movie start out with a girl who is "16" take out a HUGE dildo and then masturbate with it. Oh in another part a girl wants continually begs her brother to have sex with her. This same girl later makes out with an 80 year old woman. A foreign exchange student walks around naked all throughout the movie. One has to assume since she is in high school she is under 18. That's just one example.

porn has no artistic merit.

courts will defend transgressive works of art. they most likely will not defend the crap churned out of porn valley.

an educated adult should know this. but maybe you're not.

[digitaldivas]

...you know what I mean, pj. I'm curious to know if this went to court and how that turned out...

[spunky99]

Originally Posted by porno jew

in canada depictions are already illegal. some poor guy got busted on a cp charge for buying a membership to a teenrev shit. no joke.

link to this?

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by porno jew

porn has no artistic merit.

A shitty parody of "teen movies" featuring a girl masturbating with a huge dildo is "art"? Um ok.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by porno jew

porn has no artistic merit.

courts will defend transgressive works of art. they most likely will not defend the crap churned out of porn valley.

an educated adult should know this. but maybe you're not.

He knows this. He just loves to argue about any and all nonsense, no matter how tired, old and argued out a point is. He tends to try to pick arguments he thinks he can win with irrelevant comparisons, weak examples and pathetic analogies while denying the obvious.

Then, when hes finally defeated he will just start saying you rape goats in the ass or some stupid hillbilly shit to remind us again of how horrid the Florida school system is.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

He knows this. He just loves to argue about any and all nonsense, no matter how tired, old and argued out a point is. He tends to try to pick arguments he thinks he can win with irrelevant comparisons, weak examples and pathetic analogies while denying the obvious.

Then, when hes finally defeated he will just start saying you rape goats in the ass or some stupid hillbilly shit to remind us again of how horrid the Florida school system is.

Obviously you andporno jew are gay lovers and toss each other salads. Seriously what in the fuck did I do to you to warrant such a response form you? What is your excuse for being a dick? Seriously unless you have a good reason STFU FUCKTARD. You don't just talk shit to people who have done nothing to you. I mean unless you just like being a cunt. Is that your thing? being a cunt?

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Obviously you andporno jew are gay lovers and toss each other salads. Seriously what in the fuck did I do to you to warrant such a response form you? What is your excuse for being a dick? Seriously unless you have a good reason STFU FUCKTARD. You don't just talk shit to people who have done nothing to you. I mean unless you just like being a cunt. Is that your thing? being a cunt?

As i've already told you a couple times now, it was this totally unwarranted private message sent to me for absolutely no reason at all + plus the fact that you're just an obnoxious idiot:

"GatorB
So I hear you like to rape goats in the ass."

Anymore questions Billy Joe Jim Bob or are we cutting into your banjo lessons and alligator wrestling time with senseless board banter?

[Barry-xlovecam]

Push the edge in porn you get smacked down — old story ...

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Push the edge in porn you get smacked down ? old story ...

Yep

[PornoMonster]

GatorB is spot on, this double standard is BS.
I seen a newer movie where a 14 to 16 year old girl was raped, and it looked real.
I was so shocked, and glad no one else was watching the movie with me.

[halfpint]

well fuck this ..anybody want to buy my teen blog gets around 600 -700 uv a day without doing a damm thing with it ..lol

[19teenporn]

Damn!
What a bunch of bullshit!

Taking the case of a fucking sick motherfucker who raped his stepdaughter sistematicaly since she was eleven to say teen sites could be considered as cp is the stupidest thing i have read in my life.

Maybe the motherfucker who wrote that is ready to start a network of teen porn sites and wants to scare the competition...

[My Pimp]

I do not use photos like this. This is not worth the risk. The damage is huge even a I get a not guilty at court.

[marlboroack]

I think it's complete bullshit and this is 2011.

[DWB]

Hollywood - no problem
Dishonest web companies and content thieves - no problem
Honest people in the business - WATCH YOUR ASS!

[WebCashMaker]

Originally Posted by halfpint

well fuck this ..anybody want to buy my teen blog gets around 600 -700 uv a day without doing a damm thing with it ..lol

I am interested.

What is your contact info ?

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Here's an older example

Pretty Baby form 1978

Storyline

1917, the last months of legal prostitution in Storyville - New Orleans' red-light district. Hattie, a prostitute at the elegant home of Madame Nell, and her 12-year-old daughter Violet are the only ones awake with photographer Ernest J. Bellocq comes by with his camera. He takes pictures of Hattie and he fascinates Violet. Over the next few months, Nell arranges for the auction of Violet's virginity, Hattie marries and goes to St. Louis leaving Violet behind, and Violet determines to marry Bellocq. Is this idyllic or is she just a girl wearing rouge, soon to return to childhood?


When Violet turns 12 arrangements are made to auction off her virginity. Nell gives a dinner party for her best clients during which Violet, dressed only in a sheer, see-though gown is paraded around the table on a platter as the madam announces the auction. A few minutes later, redressed in a white party dress, Violet stands in the parlor while the men of the house bid on her. The winner (Don Lutenbacher), then carries Violet up to a bedroom. A short scream announces the loss of her virginity and we see her client hurriedly depart from the house. When the other girls check on Violet they find her motionless lying across the bed and fear the worst. She breaks out laughing and we realize she is only joking with them, though she winces when she sits up, telling us that her initiation into womanhood has not been completely painless.

Violet now becomes a regular part of the brothel lineup, though not always at her convenience. She is interrupted mid-bath by Madam Nell who wants to show her to a rough-looking farmer customer (Hobe May). (This scene involved nudity for Shields and is one of the more controversial in the film).

----------------

I saw part of this movie on AMC and Brooke is actually 12 in real life when this movie was made movie and in the bath scene you can see full frontal. Tits and vagina. This is ok because it's "art". Anyone in our business that used some obviously 30 year old chick to pretended to be a girl that was 17 years 364 days old would be thrown in prison.

Phowarrr ! Downloading NOW! Glad to knowyou think the same way I do...

[digitalfantasies]

wtf? I don't like this thread... I have a blog promoting teen webcams, I have a nr 1 google rank with some quality keywords for it, I promote them any way I can, so I also post pigtail pics etc because that is one of the things clients want to see... and that is also what the teen niche is about obviously...

I didn't read the whole thread because I am drunk now, but... should I be worried now and make some changes?

btw: i am an affiliate only promoting cams...

[Klen]

Most of teen freesites are owned by east europe webmasters so i doubt there will be some change there.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by digitalfantasies

wtf? I don't like this thread... I have a blog promoting teen webcams, I have a nr 1 google rank with some quality keywords for it, I promote them any way I can, so I also post pigtail pics etc because that is one of the things clients want to see... and that is also what the teen niche is about obviously...

I didn't read the whole thread because I am drunk now, but... should I be worried now and make some changes?

btw: i am an affiliate only promoting cams...

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[digitalfantasies]

Originally Posted by Jel

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

So I am a criminal? Whenever my 30 year old girlfriend wears pigtails she is suddenly a 18 year old teen? Or what?

[Jel]

Yeah, a 30 year old girlfriend in pigtails is EXACTLY the same as promoting teens 'any way you can' on a porn site, my bad.

[digitalfantasies]

Originally Posted by Jel

Yeah, a 30 year old girlfriend in pigtails is EXACTLY the same as promoting teens 'any way you can' on a porn site, my bad.

ok my bad dude, "any way I can" means for me: I promote them any way I can as long as it is legal....

[cherrylula]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Funny how none of this applies to Hollywood. I swear I saw in Not Another Teen Movie start out with a girl who is "16" take out a HUGE dildo and then masturbate with it. Oh in another part a girl wants continually begs her brother to have sex with her. This same girl later makes out with an 80 year old woman. A foreign exchange student walks around naked all throughout the movie. One has to assume since she is in high school she is under 18. That's just one example.

yeah oldest argument around on this topic...

just the other day on this board they were talking about a Serbian Movie? I think... haven't seen it... something disturbing about a sex scene with a newborn... I mean srsly. WTF "Hollywood"

[gleem]

this article is written by a man who profits everytime the court farts towards prosecuting any pornography, as his client for 7 years, he seems to be an excellent attorney and the best on these topics, but quite an alarmist. Can't tell you how many 1000's of dollars I wasted on the Ashcroft years with all his 2257 research being billed across his clients.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by porno jew

in canada depictions are already illegal. some poor guy got busted on a cp charge for buying a membership to a teenrev shit. no joke.

bullshit, and if he was it won't fly in court..

[digitaldivas]

Originally Posted by gleem

this article is written by a man who profits everytime the court farts towards prosecuting any pornography, as his client for 7 years, he seems to be an excellent attorney and the best on these topics, but quite an alarmist. Can't tell you how many 1000's of dollars I wasted on the Ashcroft years with all his 2257 research being billed across his clients.

that's good to know. Again, one of the reasons I brought up the thread, to get feedback from you all. See what you all think about it

[gleem]

Originally Posted by digitaldivas

that's good to know. Again, one of the reasons I brought up the thread, to get feedback from you all. See what you all think about it

Yeah, now that I posted that I feel bad, but from his perspective Larry has to look at it like down the road his clients might be brought up on charges and this pedo case now has precedents the prosecutors can use against his clients.


Also you can be brought up on charges for CP even with legal verified porn, lucky for this shmuck the girl shows up to prove her age for her fan, but how many other pornstars or one off amateurs would do this?:

http://www.examiner.com/sex-relation...orn-possession

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by gleem

this article is written by a man who profits everytime the court farts towards prosecuting any pornography, as his client for 7 years, he seems to be an excellent attorney and the best on these topics, but quite an alarmist. Can't tell you how many 1000's of dollars I wasted on the Ashcroft years with all his 2257 research being billed across his clients.

Exactly what I thought when I first hit the page and saw the author, but ya never know with the US government.

[Jo-Leigh]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Funny how none of this applies to Hollywood. I swear I saw in Not Another Teen Movie start out with a girl who is "16" take out a HUGE dildo and then masturbate with it. Oh in another part a girl wants continually begs her brother to have sex with her. This same girl later makes out with an 80 year old woman. A foreign exchange student walks around naked all throughout the movie. One has to assume since she is in high school she is under 18. That's just one example.

The article did mention the film "American Beauty" so I think it's safe to assume that even in jest, movie's like "Not Another Teen.." won't escape censorship. But whether that's before or after they crack down on the adult industry first (and harder) remains to be seen.

[halfpint]

Originally Posted by WebCashMaker

I am interested.

What is your contact info ?

Dont want to sell it just yet anyway , was just messing about, but thanks for the offer

[eye8urcake]

Originally Posted by digitalfantasies

So I am a criminal? Whenever my 30 year old girlfriend wears pigtails she is suddenly a 18 year old teen? Or what?

My thoughts went down that same road. When I was still stripping I did pony- and pigtails by request as I was lucky enough to not look -quite- my age. We gave out 'schwag' to our regulars, for lack of a better word, which included photos, some just of us posing together or onstage, some WITH said gentlemen customers.

According to this, without 'artistic' merit, those token gifts would be prosecutable as depiction CP? That's so thought policey

If people are going to get convicted based upon a fantasy outlet for their fetishes as if they're actually going out and raping kids, which this vague and badly written law allows for between illegitimizing 'depictions' and making 'receiving' this material illegal, then they're probably going to go out and rape some kids.

Take care.

[PromoterX]

Little Lupe's website is still online so fuck all the fearmongering and lets get down to business and make some money.

[raymor]

Do I need to repeat that the defendant filmed himself raping an eleven year old girl? A fifth grader. This has nothing to do with the word "teen". It has everything to do with the fact that the judge wasn't going to let the guy walk after he repeatedly molested an elementary school kid. It's not precedent, it's repeated rape of a fifth grader. Geez.