In uder 42 hours - mini war - UK

[DVTimes]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-14720689

In a day or two's time, travelers will be evicted from dale farm (UK).

they are saying (travelers) they are happy to die and now are fully armed.

[_Richard_]

weren't they evicted in july?

[DWB]

If they believe they should be there, let them fight for it.

[marlboroack]

Someone isn't very stable

[Imortyl Pussycat]

i love that show My Big, Fat Gypsy Wedding. i don't know why it facinates me but i can't look away once i click it on.

[Sarah_Jayne]

I lived across the street from a huge traveller's camp for 16 years. I believe they are always armed.

[L-Pink]

Travelers = squatters?

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[drmadcat]

i fucking hate gypsies making everybody's life's hell i hope the army go in and fuck them up they dont pay tax and they claim benefits
fucking waist of space

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Travelers = squatters?

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No, Romany Gypsies. They squat public land, not private houses.

[heek]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

No, Romany Gypsies. They squat public land, not private houses.

Then why does the UK make such a big fucking deal out of it if they "SEEM TO ME" to be causing no harm?

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by heek

Then why does the UK make such a big fucking deal out of it if they "SEEM TO ME" to be causing no harm?

Well, in days of old, Romany Gypsies seemed quite quaint. Travelling around the country in little lovely caravans. Now, however, they find some land and basically build a small town on it. And put static caravans so it looks like what I believe you call a trailer park.

They are usually involved in crime on some level and can often terrorise a neighbourhood.

[My Pimp]

This is interesting news.

[roly]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Well, in days of old, Romany Gypsies seemed quite quaint. Travelling around the country in little lovely caravans. Now, however, they find some land and basically build a small town on it. And put static caravans so it looks like what I believe you call a trailer park.

They are usually involved in crime on some level and can often terrorise a neighbourhood.

which makes the term "travellers" obsolete in their case.

[MaDalton]

people who have sympathies for gypsies never had to live next to them

there is a percentage who lives a normal, productive live but the majority is a pain in the ass. i can see it every day.

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Well, in days of old, Romany Gypsies seemed quite quaint. Travelling around the country in little lovely caravans. Now, however, they find some land and basically build a small town on it. And put static caravans so it looks like what I believe you call a trailer park.

They are usually involved in crime on some level and can often terrorise a neighbourhood.

Not only that. if you let them stay on public land like that it is a matter of time before every square inch of public land is taken over by them and the others they let know about the ability to stay and not be bothered.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Not only that. if you let them stay on public land like that it is a matter of time before every square inch of public land is taken over by them and the others they let know about the ability to stay and not be bothered.

I think they own the land.

it was a junk yard and they cleaned it up.

they are now saying the cost to move them could be £18 million. Though last time they said £4 million.

The court case is going on now.

[mafia_man]

They should be allowed to stay if they are paying council tax.

[DamianJ]

Can't they just shoot them?

[Jel]

Originally Posted by mafia_man

They should be allowed to stay if they are paying council tax.

They don't even pay road tax...

[Cherry7]

Same problem with pornographers, they move in, house prices fall, loose woman coming and going. Can't let the children play in the streets anymore.

Filming girls without knickers in the local park, trying get young girls to have sex for money.

Some say they are criminal their website prices certainly are, our Church says they will all go to hell.

They hardly work, one guy got $2500 for an hours shoddy video and the poor girl $500 for an experience that damaged her for life.

Shoot em, deport them etc etc

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

No, Romany Gypsies. They squat public land, not private houses.

Not Romany Gipsies. They're squatters. Travelers travel, these guys stay in one place on land they shouldn't be on.

Maybe they could park themselves in Vanessa's back garden. Seeing how much she cares about them.

The problem with the do gooders is they don't want them any where near them. NIMBY's

[digitalfantasies]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Not Romany Gipsies. They're squatters. Travelers travel, these guys stay in one place on land they shouldn't be on.

Maybe they could park themselves in Vanessa's back garden. Seeing how much she cares about them.

The problem with the do gooders is they don't want them any where near them. NIMBY's

No they are travelers... trailer park travelers... even they do not travel anymore like in the old days... they still call themselves "travelers".

[Cherry7]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Not Romany Gipsies. They're squatters. Travelers travel, these guys stay in one place on land they shouldn't be on.

Maybe they could park themselves in Vanessa's back garden. Seeing how much she cares about them.

The problem with the do gooders is they don't want them any where near them. NIMBY's

BBC says;

Families at the former scrapyard own their land but many do not have planning permission for homes, despite repeated applications.

Don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by digitalfantasies

No they are travelers... trailer park travelers... even they do not travel anymore like in the old days... they still call themselves "travelers".

Is that like how paul still thinks of himself as being in porn, when he hasn't been, for hundreds of years?

[Deputy Chief Command]

Originally Posted by Cherry7

BBC says;

Families at the former scrapyard own their land but many do not have planning permission for homes, despite repeated applications.

Don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant.

so you disagree with planning permission ? and the enforcement of it?

do you think there should be different rules for travellers ? so when travelers break the law nothing should be done about it?

they can just do whatever they please , whenever, wherever ?

[Cherry7]

Originally Posted by Deputy Chief Command

so you disagree with planning permission ? and the enforcement of it?

do you think there should be different rules for travellers ? so when travelers break the law nothing should be done about it?

they can just do whatever they please , whenever, wherever ?

What drugs do people take here ?

I have not stated any opinion, I pointed out the fact that they were on their own land.

[DVTimes]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-14728042

update.

they lost the court case.

so i think from midnight tonight they can be removed.

unless they leve before, wich it sounds unlikly.

[Imortyl Pussycat]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=2HAUmII_hcg

this is the only info we are shown on the tele about gypsies in the States. i dont know how to post with the youtube video showing you have to, have to watch it, it's crazy. i love that show

[DVTimes]

the simple solution is find some land were they can move to.

it would be cheaper to buy a bit of land than spend millions on kicking them out.

they have said they would be happy to move.

everyone ones.

they sort of remind me of the families in the usa who live in the old ways. i forget there names. they were the same costumes as they did when they first arived in the usa. i think german background.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by Imortyl Pussycat

https://youtube.com/watch?v=2HAUmII_hcg

this is the only info we are shown on the tele about gypsies in the States. i dont know how to post with the youtube video showing you have to, have to watch it, it's crazy. i love that show

its what we had on the tv a few months ago.

they seem nice.

those dresses cost a fortune. i do wonder what they do with them afterwords.

we had a family stay near me when i was about 14. they were nice. i used to give them water. it was hard to understand them as they had a strong accent.

one asked if i had a job and i said no. he said, thats mrs thatchers fault. i did not have the hart to tell him it was becase i was only 14 and still at school.

though when they went they did leave some rubbish in the field they were staying at. i felt let down as i was sticking up with them.

but there was no crime.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Not Romany Gipsies. They're squatters. Travelers travel, these guys stay in one place on land they shouldn't be on.

Maybe they could park themselves in Vanessa's back garden. Seeing how much she cares about them.

The problem with the do gooders is they don't want them any where near them. NIMBY's

they are not squatters paul. they do own the land.

to be honerst i do wonder what they need planning permishion for.

they are not real houses (unless i am wrong) but static caravans.

i am not sure you need planning permishion for static caravans.

i belive tempory buildings are excempt. its why you can put a hut up in your garden.

paul, i think you look at them with envy. those static caravans are stunning next to the hut you live in.

on a side note. there is an irony in the fact that somone will make good money from the scrap metell thats left.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by digitalfantasies

No they are travelers... trailer park travelers... even they do not travel anymore like in the old days... they still call themselves "travelers".

on the radio it said they became travelers becase years ago in irland the land owners kicked them out, and so they had no place to live so traveled.

[Caligari]

If they really own the land they should be able to do whatever the hell they want on it as long as it doesn't affect anyone else.

[Imortyl Pussycat]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

its what we had on the tv a few months ago.

they seem nice.

those dresses cost a fortune. i do wonder what they do with them afterwords.

we had a family stay near me when i was about 14. they were nice. i used to give them water. it was hard to understand them as they had a strong accent.

one asked if i had a job and i said no. he said, thats mrs thatchers fault. i did not have the hart to tell him it was becase i was only 14 and still at school.

though when they went they did leave some rubbish in the field they were staying at. i felt let down as i was sticking up with them.

but there was no crime.

i always wonder how they afford those weddings, it doesn't say in the show. they make it seem like the one and only thing in their world that money is spent on so i assumed maybe the entire traveler community paid the expenses. it's nuts how brainwashed the girls are from such a young age...taught to get married, clean the trailer and become the property of the man. i want to reach through the tele and shake them hard to snap out of it. a couple of the larger clans they followed on the show were Irish...i also wonder what nationality the travelers are mostly comprised of or if it's just a mix of the UK. the US is currently casting for a version of the show based on our country's "travelers". i don't know what we call them here other than homeless..never heard the term traveler over here.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by Imortyl Pussycat

i always wonder how they afford those weddings, it doesn't say in the show. they make it seem like the one and only thing in their world that money is spent on so i assumed maybe the entire traveler community paid the expenses. it's nuts how brainwashed the girls are from such a young age...taught to get married, clean the trailer and become the property of the man. i want to reach through the tele and shake them hard to snap out of it. a couple of the larger clans they followed on the show were Irish...i also wonder what nationality the travelers are mostly comprised of or if it's just a mix of the UK. the US is currently casting for a version of the show based on our country's "travelers". i don't know what we call them here other than homeless..never heard the term traveler over here.

they do work hard

these days they get money from scrap metal. but they (or did) work on farms and building sites and such. moving about.

i suspect in the usa you have new age travellers (hippies), rather than traditional families.

we have some who are new age too.

but these are hystoric families. you get them all over europe.

i belive hitler exterminated some during ww2.

the problem is some are criminals and they let the rest down. and traditionaly they cover up the criminals.

on one side they seem brain washed, but on the other one could argue they are much happier. families stronger. divorse non exsistant.

its hard to condem them when our lives are not perfect.

part of me likes there life.

part of me thionk it would be great to marry a hot big busty girl like they do. but on the other hand they work hard and i am too lazy.

[ArsewithClass]

Originally Posted by heek

Then why does the UK make such a big fucking deal out of it if they "SEEM TO ME" to be causing no harm?

Most of the travellers in the UK are irish travellers & not gypsies. The main reason that they create a problem for most communities is the dirty way they live, very little washing & no respect. Of course this is not all of them.. this would be stereotyping. However the young kids are rogues & most do steal & take what they want being bought up with no laws. In many counties around the UK, the councils have set up proper sites with washing facilities, toilets & electric similar to caravan sites. Meant specifically for travellers. They will be moved on but with lots of commotion first.

There is a big deal when lots of the travellers create such problems for oaps & other youth in the community, however, you find rogues in council areas anyway

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by Caligari

If they really own the land they should be able to do whatever the hell they want on it as long as it doesn't affect anyone else.

uk planning laws are very stict.

a few years ago a 'yank' put a shark on his house (i think he was an artist) and it was like ww3.

ot went to court but he was allowed to keep it on his roof.

even today some will not talk to him.

in the uk, people spend a fortune on court costs if they think somone has built a wall too high.

you have to remeber that unlike the usa which is huge. the uk is tiny.

[halfpint]

hahaha lol

Two bishops and an actress have visited an illegal travellers' site in Essex where more than 80 families are under threat of eviction by a local council.

Bishop of Chelmsford Stephen Cottrell and Catholic Bishop of Brentwood Thomas McMahon, went to Dale Farm near Basildon on a pastoral visit.

Oscar-winning actress Vanessa Redgrave visited on Tuesday evening to support a bid to stop the removals.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-14720689

[mafia_man]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Not Romany Gipsies. They're squatters. Travelers travel, these guys stay in one place on land they shouldn't be on.

Maybe they could park themselves in Vanessa's back garden. Seeing how much she cares about them.

The problem with the do gooders is they don't want them any where near them. NIMBY's

They own the land Paul, read the fucking article.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

the simple solution is find some land were they can move to.

it would be cheaper to buy a bit of land than spend millions on kicking them out.

they have said they would be happy to move.

everyone ones.

they sort of remind me of the families in the usa who live in the old ways. i forget there names. they were the same costumes as they did when they first arived in the usa. i think german background.

They were offered homes and turned them down.

Seems they don't think the law applies to them. I wonder if they didn't want to move into Council homes has anything to do with paying rent, rates and having to be part of the system like everyone else. Like paying income taxes?

Just a thought because living in house beats living in a caravan with no proper running water and sanitation. At the moment their waste isn't going into the sewers, they just have a gutter laying on the ground that stream it elsewhere.

mafia_man half of it is green belt land and not for living on or a caravan site.

Caligari it does effect other people, the people who live around them. People who pay rates and taxes. They interviewed a man whose home borders on the squatters camp. He showed the camera crew a fence the squatters erected on his land. Also pointed out the effluent that was coming from the squatters camp.

He lit a piece of paper and pinned it to the fence, called the police to complain and the police arrested him.

They should also interview the residents.

Take a look at the Google picture and see what they've done to the area.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&su...ed=0CBgQ8gEwAA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dale_Farm

Dale Farm is part of an Irish Traveller halting site on Oak Lane in Crays Hill, Essex built on a former scrap yard and housing over 1,000 people. It is the largest Irish Traveller site in the UK.[1] The site has two parts, a legal site that has planning permission and a site where the land is owned by travellers but where planning permission has been refused. This land is classified as green belt and has been developed by the traveller community despite the lack of planning permission. The unofficial portion of Dale Farm is exclusively occupied by members of the Irish Traveller community, whose cultural roots are in the town of Rathkeale, County Limerick, Ireland.

I'm sure they would be happier in County Limmerick.

Also this.

While there has been a very active campaign to allow the unauthorised portion of Dale Farm to remain, largely from individuals and groups from outside Basildon, there is strong support among Basildon's settled community for the Council's actions.

[rogueteens]

as Paul said above, some of the site has been built on the Green Belt without permission, the Green Belt is protected land.

[DVTimes]

http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/n...ew/full/108667

We're in the final weeks of the battle to stop the racist eviction of a long-established traveller community and the fight is hotting up.

Basildon Borough Council has ridden roughshod over every single opposing argument in its determination to evict the residents of Dale Farm.

It has shrugged off the estimated £17.5 million cost of throwing hundreds of people out of their homes and ignored the still greater social and financial price of making an entire community homeless.

It has ignored every dissenting voice - from local residents to solidarity activists to Jewish communities who see chilling parallels with their own historic treatment.

It has even ignored UN experts and Amnesty International.

And if the prospect of breaking international law doesn't stop Basildon council, that leaves only one course of action.

The Dale Farm community needs the support of every single person who can lend their strength to the fight.

Today supporters petition Downing Street. On Saturday the Solidarity Long Weekend will muster forces for a permanent camp to stop the evictions.

And in future it may take non-violent resistance to keep the bailiffs out of Dale Farm.

The travellers can still keep their homes with the help of the one weapon Basildon council can't ignore - people power.

[ArsewithClass]

Originally Posted by rogueteens

as Paul said above, some of the site has been built on the Green Belt without permission, the Green Belt is protected land.

All the stress they cause each other.... if i found out I had gone over the border on land, Id hand it back... thats what I was saying about earlier, the travellers do think they can just take what they want

[DVTimes]

Not sure what is going on.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

Not sure what is going on.

You never are, you Big Trak stealing, lying, fucktard.

[CurrentlySober]

one up the bum = no harm done...

[digitalfantasies]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

on the radio it said they became travelers becase years ago in irland the land owners kicked them out, and so they had no place to live so traveled.

that is because they were already travelers