Our Creeping Police State: How Going to the Mall Can Land You in an FBI Counterterrorism Report - GoFuckYourself.com

SuckOnThis · 09-12-2011, 08:32 PM

How writing in a notebook, filming, or looking around too much can throw you into the spooky world of homeland security.

On May 1, 2008, at 4:59 p.m., Brad Kleinerman entered the spooky world of homeland security. As he shopped for a children’s watch inside the sprawling Mall of America, two security guards approached and began questioning him. Although he was not accused of wrongdoing, the guards filed a confidential report about Kleinerman that was forwarded to local police.

The reason: Guards thought he might pose a threat because they believed he had been looking at them in a suspicious way.

Najam Qureshi, owner of a kiosk that sold items from his native Pakistan, also had his own experience with authorities after his father left a cell phone on a table in the food court.

The consequence: An FBI agent showed up at the family’s home, asking if they knew anyone who might want to hurt the United States.

Mall of America officials say their security unit stops and questions on average up to 1,200 people each year. The interviews at the mall are part of a counterterrorism initiative that acts as the private eyes and ears of law enforcement authorities but has often ensnared innocent people, according to an investigation by the Center for Investigative Reporting and NPR.

In many cases, the written reports were filed without the knowledge of those interviewed by security. Several people named in the reports learned from journalists that their birth dates, race, names of employers and other personal information were compiled along with surveillance images.

One Iranian man, now 62, began passing out during questioning. An Army veteran sobbed in his car after he was questioned for nearly two hours about video he had taken inside the mall.

Much of the questioning at the mall has been done in public while shoppers mill around, records show. Two people, a shopper and a mall employee, also described being taken to a basement area for questioning. Officials at the mall would not address individual cases.

“The government is not going to protect us free of charge, so we have to do that ourselves,” said Maureen Bausch, executive vice president of business development at the mall. “We’re lucky enough to be in the city of Bloomington where they actually have a police substation here [in the mall]. … They’re great. But we are responsible for this building.”

Reporters at the Center for Investigative Reporting and NPR obtained 125 suspicious activity reports totaling over 1,000 pages dating back to Christmas Eve, 2005. The documents, provided by law enforcement officials in Minnesota, give a glimpse inside the national campaign by authorities to collect and share intelligence about possible threats.

The initiative exemplifies one of the cultural legacies of the terrorist attacks 10 years ago: Organizations and individuals are now encouraged by U.S. leaders to watch one another and report any signs of threats to homeland security authorities.

There is no way for the public to know exactly how many suspicious activity reports from the Mall of America have ended up with local, state and federal authorities. CIR and NPR asked 29 law enforcement agencies under open government laws for reports on suspicious activities. Only the Bloomington Police Department and Minnesota’s state fusion center have turned over at least a portion of the paperwork.

In 2008, the mall’s security director, Douglas Reynolds, told Congress [PDF] that the mall was the “number-one source of actionable intelligence” provided to the state’s fusion center, an intelligence hub created after 9/11 to pull together reports from an array of law enforcement sources.

Information from the suspicious activity reports generated at the mall has been shared with Bloomington police, the FBI and, in at least four cases, the federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency.

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GatorB · 09-12-2011, 08:49 PM

Honestly we'd probably be better off is the Mall Of America was blown up. After hours of course. Well the retarded mall cops that want to act like real cops can be inside.

SuckOnThis · 09-12-2011, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Honestly we'd probably be better off is the Mall Of America was blown up. After hours of course. Well the retarded mall cops that want to act like real cops can be inside.

Welcome to the United Corporations of America.

The Heron · 09-12-2011, 08:54 PM

Our local mall is basically empty, nobody goes there anyhow good luck getting actionable material from there fools!

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twistyneck · 09-12-2011, 09:06 PM

Nobody has an obligation to talk to a mall cop. Tell them to fuck off and leave you alone.

BIGTYMER · 09-12-2011, 09:45 PM

Yup. Keep your mouth shut. You're not doing anything wrong.

CYF · 09-12-2011, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by twistyneck

Nobody has an obligation to talk to a mall cop. Tell them to fuck off and leave you alone.

There's also actual police officers at the Mall of America, including K9 units walking around.

I live 10 minutes from the Mall, and I go there pretty frequently to walk around and take photos of both the mall and interesting people I see there. Kind of worrisome that I could be questioned and put on some kind of intelligence list just for hanging out at the mall.

ottopottomouse · 09-13-2011, 04:43 AM

Welcome to East Germany in 1980

L-Pink · 09-13-2011, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by CYF

There's also actual police officers at the Mall of America, including K9 units walking around.

I live 10 minutes from the Mall, and I go there pretty frequently to walk around and take photos of both the mall and interesting people I see there. Kind of worrisome that I could be questioned and put on some kind of intelligence list just for hanging out at the mall.

Obviously you are taking surveillance photos for an upcoming act of unspeakable horror. Just clueing you in to rent-a-cop mentality, be careful.

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John-ACWM · 09-13-2011, 05:03 AM

Well, stupidity never ceases to amaze.

blackmonsters · 09-13-2011, 05:58 AM

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It's fantastic.

I love seeing people treated like fucking garbage and criminals.
That's the treatment I've gotten all my life so finally everyone is equal.

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SuckOnThis So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In my head Posts: 6,844	Our Creeping Police State: How Going to the Mall Can Land You in an FBI Counterterrorism Report How writing in a notebook, filming, or looking around too much can throw you into the spooky world of homeland security. On May 1, 2008, at 4:59 p.m., Brad Kleinerman entered the spooky world of homeland security. As he shopped for a children’s watch inside the sprawling Mall of America, two security guards approached and began questioning him. Although he was not accused of wrongdoing, the guards filed a confidential report about Kleinerman that was forwarded to local police. The reason: Guards thought he might pose a threat because they believed he had been looking at them in a suspicious way. Najam Qureshi, owner of a kiosk that sold items from his native Pakistan, also had his own experience with authorities after his father left a cell phone on a table in the food court. The consequence: An FBI agent showed up at the family’s home, asking if they knew anyone who might want to hurt the United States. Mall of America officials say their security unit stops and questions on average up to 1,200 people each year. The interviews at the mall are part of a counterterrorism initiative that acts as the private eyes and ears of law enforcement authorities but has often ensnared innocent people, according to an investigation by the Center for Investigative Reporting and NPR. In many cases, the written reports were filed without the knowledge of those interviewed by security. Several people named in the reports learned from journalists that their birth dates, race, names of employers and other personal information were compiled along with surveillance images. One Iranian man, now 62, began passing out during questioning. An Army veteran sobbed in his car after he was questioned for nearly two hours about video he had taken inside the mall. Much of the questioning at the mall has been done in public while shoppers mill around, records show. Two people, a shopper and a mall employee, also described being taken to a basement area for questioning. Officials at the mall would not address individual cases. “The government is not going to protect us free of charge, so we have to do that ourselves,” said Maureen Bausch, executive vice president of business development at the mall. “We’re lucky enough to be in the city of Bloomington where they actually have a police substation here [in the mall]. … They’re great. But we are responsible for this building.” Reporters at the Center for Investigative Reporting and NPR obtained 125 suspicious activity reports totaling over 1,000 pages dating back to Christmas Eve, 2005. The documents, provided by law enforcement officials in Minnesota, give a glimpse inside the national campaign by authorities to collect and share intelligence about possible threats. The initiative exemplifies one of the cultural legacies of the terrorist attacks 10 years ago: Organizations and individuals are now encouraged by U.S. leaders to watch one another and report any signs of threats to homeland security authorities. There is no way for the public to know exactly how many suspicious activity reports from the Mall of America have ended up with local, state and federal authorities. CIR and NPR asked 29 law enforcement agencies under open government laws for reports on suspicious activities. Only the Bloomington Police Department and Minnesota’s state fusion center have turned over at least a portion of the paperwork. In 2008, the mall’s security director, Douglas Reynolds, told Congress [PDF] that the mall was the “number-one source of actionable intelligence” provided to the state’s fusion center, an intelligence hub created after 9/11 to pull together reports from an array of law enforcement sources. Information from the suspicious activity reports generated at the mall has been shared with Bloomington police, the FBI and, in at least four cases, the federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency. Rest of article at http://www.alternet.org/story/152329...nd?page=entire Last edited by SuckOnThis; 09-12-2011 at 08:34 PM..

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