MS - Does it affect you ?

[AdultKing]

I have Multiple Sclerosis , it's the recurring relapsing type so often I go on with life as if there is nothing wrong. Today however I can barely walk to the kitchen to make a coffee.

I'm wondering if anyone else is afflicted with this and what strategies you use to counter your bad times ?

[wehateporn]

I'm sorry to hear this, was it caused by a vaccine?

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

I'm sorry to hear this, was it caused by a vaccine?

Probably not since vaccines don't cause MS. They also don't cause Autism.

[Phoenix]

sucks to hear...my neighbour has it as well.
All you can do is power through it

[suesheboy]

be sure to completely eliminate NutraSweet

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Probably not since vaccines don't cause MS. They also don't cause Autism.

Hep B injection, they do pay out too, though too late for this patient http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/sites/...E012109B_0.pdf

purpose is to initiate an immune response in the recipient. Ex. 17, p. 6. But if any of the vaccine antigens shares a homology with the recipient?s antigens, the host?s immune response will attack both the vaccine antigens and the host?s antigens, resulting in an autoimmune response. Ex. 17, pp. 6-7. This concept is also known as molecular mimicry and is well-established in immunology. Dr. Tornatore refers to three filed articles (P. Exs. 19-21). Ex.17, p. 7. He concludes that hepatitis B vaccine caused decedent?s MS. Petitioner filed a supplemental report from Dr. Tornatore, dated November 25, 2007. P.Ex. 22. He thought that the decedent?s onset of demyelinating optic neuritis might have occurred approximately 18 days after her hepatitis B vaccination, although the medical records reflected a two-month interval.

CONCLUSION
Petitioner is entitled to reasonable compensation. The undersigned hopes that the parties
may reach an amicable settlement and will have a telephonic status conference soon with the parties to discuss further proceedings.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by suesheboy

be sure to completely eliminate NutraSweet

That Nasty Aspartame, in the UK we feed it to our young

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Hep B injection, they do pay out too, though too late for this patient http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/sites/...E012109B_0.pdf

The hepatitis B vaccine is recommended for all children, adolescents, and adults who are at risk of contracting this potentially life-threatening disease. In 2002, after carefully examining the published, peer-reviewed scientific and medical literature addressing the possible relationship between hepatitis B vaccination and diseases of the nervous system, the National Academy of Sciences’ Institute of Medicine (IOM) determined that there is no association between hepatitis B vaccination and the onset of multiple sclerosis.

http://www.nationalmssociety.org/liv...ons/index.aspx

The scientific community is always skeptical when it comes to irrelevant facts. However, the studies proved that people with MS shouldn’t blame HepB or influenza immunization, and also, the studies proved that these vaccines are safe and are not likely to cause MS.

http://www.allaboutms.com/ms-news/19...-cause-ms.html

Numerous studies have evaluated a possible relationship between hepatitis B vaccination and multiple sclerosis (MS). The weight of the available scientific evidence does not support the suggestion that hepatitis B vaccine causes or worsens MS.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Vac...and_hep_b.html

So the CDC, The American Academy of Pediatrics, the National MS Society and the National Academy of Sciences’ Institute of Medicine amongst others seem to disagree with the findings of your judge.

I'm curious, when you or your loved ones get sick do you take them to a Judge or to a medical professional?

I know, I know, all of those organizations are obviously under the control of the Rockefellers and they're using Hep-B vacinations as a platform to further weaken the public so the UN can take over and rule the World.

[iwantchixx]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Hep B injection, they do pay out too, though too late for this patient http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/sites/...E012109B_0.pdf

we declined the hep vaccine for our daughter based on much of this. Our doctor still tried to alk us into it but alas, its not required by law here yet for hep vaccines

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by WarChild

So the CDC, The American Academy of Pediatrics, the National MS Society and the National Academy of Sciences’ Institute of Medicine amongst others seem to disagree with the findings of your judge.

It's not good for business to go advertising such information, it's best to settle in private and brush away under the carpet. And ideally keep funding studies that claim to prove the opposite

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by iwantchixx

we declined the hep vaccine for our daughter based on much of this. Our doctor still tried to alk us into it but alas, its not required by law here yet for hep vaccines

I'm glad to see more people educating themselves, great stuff

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

It's not good for business to go advertising such information, it's best to settle in private and brush away under the carpet. It's best to keep funding studies that claim to prove the opposite

Right, got you. All studies are flawed, Medical Professionals don't know best and we're lucky to have internet detectives like yourself around to show us the light. I'm very sorry if I ever called you crazy because you clearly are a very well reasoned person.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Right, got you. All studies are flawed, Medical Professionals don't know best and we're lucky to have internet detectives like yourself around to show us the light.

You should look into how the system works some time. The Pharmaceuticals are not a charity. If a researcher proves a vaccine is unsafe, their funding will often be removed and they will not be used again, the study will not be published and they'll use someone else; ideally someone who will prove what is wanted. It's all about Profit!

Every now and then, someone manages to get some honest information out, like Sane Vax Inc did just recently. They proved that the millions are HPV vaccines that are currently being used on girls around the globe are contaminated

S.A.N.E. VAX, Inc. is a non-profit organization established to provide a single site for information to help you:

1. Obtain the information you need to make informed decisions prior to vaccination;

2. Locate appropriate medical/legal assistance if you, or a loved one, suffers from a serious adverse event after vaccination.

SANE Vax Inc. Discovers Potential Bio-hazard Contaminant in Merck?s Gardasil? HPV 4 Vaccine
http://sanevax.org/sane-vax-inc-disc...v-4-vaccine-2/

[NaughtyRob]

Yes, my sister has it and she suffers badly. I am the big brother and can't do anything about it, thats not a good feeling.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

I'm sorry to hear this, was it caused by a vaccine?

No, it's caused by lesions on the protective insulation surrounding the nerve fibers of the central nervous system (brain and spinal cord). Vaccines don't cause MS.

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

No, it's caused by lesions on the protective insulation surrounding the nerve fibers of the central nervous system (brain and spinal cord). Vaccines don't cause MS.

Save your effort because there's no point arguing with somebody who discounts any real science. Fortunately people like him have almost no impact on your daily life because nobody ends up taking them serious at all.

[AdultKing]

This morning I hobbled into a meeting with my walking stick, which is amusing considering that three weeks ago I was abseiling at Mount Arapiles in western Victoria!

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

No, it's caused by lesions on the protective insulation surrounding the nerve fibers of the central nervous system (brain and spinal cord). Vaccines don't cause MS.

There's a guy I know who lives nearby, in his 40's. He was a Physics teacher, but went down with MS, now he's done a swap with his wife. When I first saw him I wouldn't have guessed he had a problem with his health, whereas now (2 years on) I can see his walk is changing, he's looking quite weak.

I hope for you it progresses as slow as is possible

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Save your effort because there's no point arguing with somebody who discounts any real science. Fortunately people like him have almost no impact on your daily life because nobody ends up taking them serious at all.

There are different triggers, the Hep B vaccine is one known trigger, I won't be wasting more time on you as you have the appearance of a "Forum Debate Stimulator" i.e. if you make me reply you succeed in your role for the forum

BBC: Jab linked to multiple sclerosis
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3651782.stm

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

I hope for you it progresses as slow as is possible

Mine is recurring relapsing, so most of the time I am fine, I go rock climbing, parachuting, travel, heaps of stuff just fine. When the MS hits me I often can't walk, but I know what to look for when it comes on, my vision is the first symptom.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

Mine is recurring relapsing, so most of the time I am fine, I go rock climbing, parachuting, travel, heaps of stuff just fine. When the MS hits me I often can't walk, but I know what to look for when it comes on, my vision is the first symptom.

You're doing very well compared to most

Let's hope it continues that way

[Shey]

Sorry to hear, my mom is a care taker and one of her first cases was a 30 year old girl she looked after for almost 10 years. When she first started she was starting to have more bad days than good days and by the time she was done she had to be put on a facility because she was no longer functional. My mom still visits her to this day and before she got so advanced she spent every single day she could doing the most with her days (as you seem to do). She said that helped her to get through the debilitating ones. Best of luck to you!

[Lint]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

There are different triggers, the Hep B vaccine is one known trigger, I won't be wasting more time on you as you have the appearance of a "Forum Debate Stimulator" i.e. if you make me reply you succeed in your role for the forum

BBC: Jab linked to multiple sclerosis
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3651782.stm

There?s no proven link between vaccinations (eg. for flu, hepatitis B or any travel vaccines) and a relapse. If you're going to an area where a serious infectious disease is prevalent, it's generally far better to have a vaccination than to risk serious illness, which could have far worse consequences.
http://www.mssociety.org.uk/what-is-...remitting-rrms


Shut the fuck up.

[ManPuppy]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

I have Multiple Sclerosis , it's the recurring relapsing type so often I go on with life as if there is nothing wrong. Today however I can barely walk to the kitchen to make a coffee.

I'm wondering if anyone else is afflicted with this and what strategies you use to counter your bad times ?

Unfortunate that the thread has devolved into a medical debate by non-doctors and non-scientists rather than attempting to answer your serious question. I don't know what validity there is to it, but a friend who also has recurring/relapsing MS swears a diet high in fresh fruits and almost no red meat helps him. Very brave of you to open up like that. God bless you.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Lint

If you're going to an area where a serious infectious disease is prevalent, it's generally far better to have a vaccination than to risk serious illness, which could have far worse consequences.
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And do you know how much tracking there is after a person is vaccinated to see how they get on over the next few years?

If not, I would advise you look into it and question your findings

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Probably not since vaccines don't cause MS. They also don't cause Autism.

what does?

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

what does?

Often when we are told "Mystery Illness" or "Cause Unknown" it reality it means "Vaccines cause it but we don't want to put you off or pay out"

You often have to make a push for them to admit it was vaccine-damage, they do pay out but on the condition that you keep quiet

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Often when we are told "Mystery Illness" or "Cause Unknown" it reality it means "Vaccines cause it but we don't want to put you off or pay out"

You often have to make a push for them to admit it was vaccine-damage, they do pay out but on the condition that you keep quiet

On one side of the issue we have the Center for Disease Control, the overwhelming majority of medical professionals, scientific studies and the MS Society. On the other side we have you and conjecture.

I find it hard to believe you haven't been called to Congress to testify given your obvious expertise in the area.

I have a serious question for you. Did you graduate high school?

[grumpy]

what an idiots here, a guy asks for some support and some wise asses turn it in a shitting contest about who is smarter. GFY

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by grumpy

what an idiots here, a guy asks for some support and some wise asses turn it in a shitting contest about who is smarter. GFY

To be honest I expected nothing more, I was simply curious how others in business deal with it when it affects them.

[KBHMN]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

To be honest I expected nothing more, I was simply curious how others in business deal with it when it affects them.

My uncle who has MS has found that a versaclimber works for him to keep periods of down time at bay. He is well into his 60's and still walks without the aid of a cane.

[SimonScans]

There's a very good chance MS has an infectious comonent. Some interesting facts about MS.

It had never occured in the Faroe islands until after the second world war. What changed? Troops from the mainland were stationed there for the first time, thus acting as a vector.

Where you live matters, not your decent. Live away from the equator and your risk goes up very significantly. But its not ethnic. Move to Hawaii as a caucasian and your risk goes down, but if you are japanese and move there, your risk goes UP. The risk difference between a high risk location and a low risk one is a factor of ten - a whole order of magnitude.

Separated identical twins don't suffer at anywhere near the same rates. If it is wholely genetic this is a little odd.