Marijuana - Safer than peanuts

[ThunderBalls]

Since 1992, approximately 13 million Americans have been arrested on marijuana charges, a greater number than the entire populations of Alaska, Delaware, the District of Columbia, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont, Utah, New Mexico and Wyoming combined.

The total number of marijuana arrests far exceeds the total number of arrests for all violent crimes combined, including murder, manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault.

All over a plant that has killed less people than peanuts have.

[L-Pink]

So someone stoned to the max has never done something stupid that resulted in death? Find that hard to believe but I get the point.

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[HighlyIntoxicated]

It'll never become legal while congress is in bed with pharmacy companies.

[ThunderBalls]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

So someone stoned to the max has never done something stupid that resulted in death? Find that hard to believe but I get the point.

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Most definitely, but probably no more so percentage wise as those people who have ingested nothing and done something stupid that resulted in death.

[BIGTYMER]

Im all for weed but when they say 0 deaths do they factor in people who died from lung cancer?

[ThunderBalls]

Originally Posted by BIGTYMER

Im all for weed but when they say 0 deaths do they factor in people who died from lung cancer?

Study Finds No Cancer-Marijuana Connection

The largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded that smoking marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung cancer.

The new findings "were against our expectations," said Donald Tashkin of the University of California at Los Angeles, a pulmonologist who has studied marijuana for 30 years.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...052501729.html

[Dirty F]

Somehow i have the feeling these stats don't include the 1000 of accidents that happen every year because of people driving while stoned as hell.

[Dirty F]

I don't give a shit if you smoke weed or not but the obsession with this "miracle drug" some people have is just retarded. Just smoke your weed and stfu. Stop preaching. It's drugs and it makes you stupid.

[ThunderBalls]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

Somehow i have the feeling these stats don't include the 1000 of accidents that happen every year because of people driving while stoned as hell.

Driving while high may not be as bad as once thought. A study conducted by Hartford Hospital and the University of Iowa Carver College of Medicine found that smoking marijuana has little effect on driving skills.

The study was published in the March issue of the Journal of Psychoactive Drugs, according to an article in The Hartford Courant.

Using legal marijuana supplied by the National Institute of Drug Abuse and the University of Mississippi, researchers tested 85 participants under the influence on their ability to avoid crash-causing traffic incidents, such as avoiding a driver entering an intersection illegally or deciding to stop or go through a changing traffic light.

Researchers found no significant difference between the control group given placebo cigarettes and the group given marijuana cigarettes. However, the study did find that the drivers given marijuana were more easily distracted when under the influence.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7...#ixzz1YMNEQkRr

[campimp]

i have actually seen studies that show marijuana not only does not cause lung cancer, but it can also be used to slow down tumor growth in patients with lung cancer

being a daily smoker myself, i hate to agree with any anti-weed statements, but i would have to agree with Dirty F... i know i personally have almost killed myself many times after smoking some sweet sweet cheeba and jumping behind the wheel of my car

[Lord Voldemort]

over 20,000 are killed on homicides a YEAR? those numbers are wrong! this would be a wild west is that were the case.
and I guarantee that there are several deaths a year caused by marijuana, specially smoking and driving

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

Most definitely, but probably no more so percentage wise as those people who have ingested nothing and done something stupid that resulted in death.

The fact is there are pot smokers that had they remained sober would not have died. Just like drinkers that had they remained sober would not have died. The fact the chart shows zero makes it lose credibility ....

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[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

Driving while high may not be as bad as once thought. A study conducted by Hartford Hospital and the University of Iowa Carver College of Medicine found that smoking marijuana has little effect on driving skills.

The study was published in the March issue of the Journal of Psychoactive Drugs, according to an article in The Hartford Courant.

Using legal marijuana supplied by the National Institute of Drug Abuse and the University of Mississippi, researchers tested 85 participants under the influence on their ability to avoid crash-causing traffic incidents, such as avoiding a driver entering an intersection illegally or deciding to stop or go through a changing traffic light.

Researchers found no significant difference between the control group given placebo cigarettes and the group given marijuana cigarettes. However, the study did find that the drivers given marijuana were more easily distracted when under the influence.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7...#ixzz1YMNEQkRr

Sure sure...you know what it actually makes you drive better. It's a miracle drug right. I heard it can cure aids too.

[ThunderBalls]

Originally Posted by Lord Voldemort

over 20,000 are killed on homicides a YEAR? those numbers are wrong! this would be a wild west is that were the case.
and I guarantee that there are several deaths a year caused by marijuana, specially smoking and driving

Cite your source.


For the year 2008:
Mortality
All homicides

Number of deaths: 18,361
Deaths per 100,000 population: 6.1
Cause of death rank: 15

Firearm homicides

Number of deaths: 12,632
Deaths per 100,000 population: 4.2

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm

[ThunderBalls]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

Sure sure...you know what it actually makes you drive better. It's a miracle drug right. I heard it can cure aids too.

Yea, like The University of Iowa Carver College of all places has an agenda to make weed look good.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

Driving while high may not be as bad as once thought. A study conducted by Hartford Hospital and the University of Iowa Carver College of Medicine found that smoking marijuana has little effect on driving skills.

Oh bullshit. You know better that or you have never smoked anything good.

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[campimp]

perhaps smoke a little hash oil and then eat a couple of pot brownies, and then take a nice hour long drive somewhere. chances are you will almost kill yourself at least one time

i love some weed... but there is no way it has no impact on your driving skills

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

Yea, like The University of Iowa Carver College of all places has an agenda to make weed look good.

People like you will manage to find a study that will claim smoking weed will extend your life by 30 years. Ofcourse rejecting 30 studies which say you won't live longer in the process.

Smoke your pot and stfu about it. It's drugs and it makes you stupid.

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by campimp

perhaps smoke a little hash oil and then eat a couple of pot brownies, and then take a nice hour long drive somewhere. chances are you will almost kill yourself at least one time

i love some weed... but there is no way it has no impact on your driving skills

Ofcourse it has an impact on your driving skills. The topicstarter also knows this but his obsession with this miracle plant is too big to admit this.

[ThunderBalls]

Originally Posted by campimp

perhaps smoke a little hash oil and then eat a couple of pot brownies, and then take a nice hour long drive somewhere. chances are you will almost kill yourself at least one time

i love some weed... but there is no way it has no impact on your driving skills

Maybe, but lack of sleep impacts it more. With the amount of people that smoke weed in this country how many fatal accidents occurred solely because of marijuana? I'm willing to bet the percentage is less than the actual number of people walking around high at any given time.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

Ofcourse it has an impact on your driving skills. The topicstarter also knows this but his obsession with this miracle plant is too big to admit this.

And stupid ads with bogus claims by groups pushing for legalization do more harm than good.

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[papill0n]

no impact on driving and doesnt cause cance when smoked

L O FUCKING L

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

With the amount of people that smoke weed in this country how many fatal accidents occurred solely because of marijuana? I'm willing to bet the percentage is less than the actual number of people walking around high at any given time.

There you go you just stated that ZERO deaths is a bogus claim. Case closed.

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[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

Maybe, but lack of sleep impacts it more.

God, people like you are annoying. Get over your obsession man. It's drugs, it causes deaths and it makes you stupid. Stop acting like its anything else.

[ThunderBalls]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

People like you will manage to find a study that will claim smoking weed will extend your life by 30 years. Ofcourse rejecting 30 studies which say you won't live longer in the process.

Smoke your pot and stfu about it. It's drugs and it makes you stupid.

And people like you who have bought into the reefer madness bullshit is the reason why governments still ruins millions of lives a year over this. You're starting to sound like a Dragnet episode.

[ThunderBalls]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

God, people like you are annoying. Get over your obsession man. It's drugs, it causes deaths and it makes you stupid. Stop acting like its anything else.

Anytime I can annoy an ignorant dumbass like you I sleep better.

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

And people like you who have bought into the reefer madness bullshit is the reason why governments still ruins millions of lives a year over this. You're starting to sound like a Dragnet episode.

Reefer madness bullshit? What are you talking about man. Once again i have no problem with people smoking weed. I used to smoke myself. But man just stop acting like it's God's miracle plant.
It's just drugs.


And it makes you stupid.

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

Anytime I can annoy an ignorant dumbass like you I sleep better.

How exactly am i ignorant. Explain that to me, dickshit.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

Anytime I can annoy an ignorant dumbass like you I sleep better.

Hey, No one here is saying that legal penalties are fair. No one here is saying lives haven't been ruined because of drug laws. But the only dumbass on here is the one who posted propaganda stating that pot causes ZERO deaths a year.

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[Bill8]

Originally Posted by campimp

i know i personally have almost killed myself many times after smoking some sweet sweet cheeba and jumping behind the wheel of my car

yeah, you know, there's a solution. don't fucking do that. be a man and don't smoke before driving. nut up and say no thanks man I gotta drive.

but, many things cause impairment - lack of sleep being the most common, according to a study I read not long ago, driving while elderly, drunk driving, being diabetic or having other medical conditions, followed by the usual list, and on those lists smoking grass always falls into one of the lower slots, based on accident measurements. You dont usually see it make a slot in any of the major lists.

When reports surface on the dangers of impaired driving, headlines usually include alcohol, age and the multi-purpose category of "distracted driving." Those rightfully belong at the top of the list.

Alcohol abuse is the greatest risk factor for motor-vehicle collisions, deaths and injury. From 2005 to 2009, one-third of the motor vehicle-related fatalities in the U.S. every year were alcohol related, according to the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration. The same holds true for Massachusetts, which has averaged 400 alcohol-related fatalities over the same period.

Age has also taken center stage with driving ability, as the older driver has become a growing national public health concern. Federal data show that drivers 75 years and older have higher rates of fatal motor vehicle crashes than any other group, except teens. Every elderly person, either by physical or mental impairment, will reach a point where it will be unsafe to drive, though the rate of decline will vary from person to person.

"Distracted driving" -- especially talking and texting with cell phones -- has also captured the spotlight, after several tragic accidents. Such events have led the Massachusetts Legislature to enact a new law, banning texting as well as the use of cell phones and other electronic devices by those under 18. Although the law targets young drivers, multitasking while driving is risky at any age. The same law also requires drivers over 75 years of age to renew their licenses in person at a Registry office. Many other states are doing the same.

While alcohol, age and distracted driving catch the attention, it's important to remember that sleep deprivation and many medical conditions also have the potential to cause impaired driving.

Read more: http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/ar...#ixzz1YMWWFSMk

http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/0...le_crashes.htm

unfortunately, we don't have tests that can tell us effectively wether or not one is driving while too stoned. there do exist various ideas for impairment testing, but they are not well implemented.

[CyberHustler]

I'm a big marijuana supporter but I don't support driving while high... especially on the shit I smoke.

[ThunderBalls]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

Reefer madness bullshit? What are you talking about man. Once again i have no problem with people smoking weed. I used to smoke myself. But man just stop acting like it's God's miracle plant.
It's just drugs.


And it makes you stupid.

Show me where I said it was a miracle drug or it cured anything? My point is it is one of the least harmful substances on the planet and evidence is starting to show that. If you want to keep arguing against that and putting words in my mouth to help ya then so be it.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

Show me where I said it was a miracle drug or it cured anything? My point is it is one of the least harmful substances on the planet and evidence is starting to show that. If you want to keep arguing against that and putting words in my mouth to help ya then so be it.

No, you came here claiming pot causes zero deaths a year. As far as negative comments every comment is coming from pot smokers. Have you smoked to much tonight to realize this?

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[papill0n]

its not one of the least harmful substances on the planet that is utter bullshit

[papill0n]

but let me do some more testing and i will get back to you

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

My point is it is one of the least harmful substances on the planet and evidence is starting to show that.

No, it's not. It kills people.

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Hey, No one here is saying that legal penalties are fair. No one here is saying lives haven't been ruined because of drug laws. But the only dumbass on here is the one who posted propaganda stating that pot causes ZERO deaths a year.

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Can you find any reputable source that shows it has? I cant.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Can you find any reputable source that shows it has? I cant.

No one has ever done something stupid while high that caused a death? Yea, I'll buy that.

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[Bill8]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

The fact is there are pot smokers that had they remained sober would not have died. Just like drinkers that had they remained sober would not have died. The fact the chart shows zero makes it lose credibility ....

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yeah, that chart is arguably poorly formed.

But there is a problem - there is no easy way to directly count what deaths may have occured thru driving while stoned. We dont have a way to measure impairment by weed. Last I checked there was no equivalent of a BAC. The tests we do have typically tell us a person has smoked sometime in the past weeks. They test for the metabolites, not for the thc level which would indicate impairment.

I just did a search on the subject and so far all my findings are the same. THC levels are particularly difficult to measure. You'd probably need a spectrograph and chromatograph - expensive, and I'm not sure even that would work.

So, somebody like you can say "There MUST be auto deaths caused by weed" - but getting the actual numbers isn't easy.

Still - the chart should have been created using a different approach. You need two sets of numbers, one for toxicity, in which weed is clearly a zero, and one for related deaths - for which it would be quite hard to come up with a real number for weed.

I wonder how you'd find that number?

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Can you find any reputable source that shows it has? I cant.

And you call other people ignorant.
Dude, step away from the computer, stop smoking for a few hours and come back when you're sober and reread the thread.

[Dirty F]

Why can't you just smoke weed and admit that it kills people and that it's just drugs? Nobody will blame you for that man.
Stop being so defensive.

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

And you call other people ignorant.
Dude, step away from the computer, stop smoking for a few hours and come back when you're sober and reread the thread.

uhhh I'm not aware of calling anyone ignorant, what are you on?

[Bill8]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

And you call other people ignorant.
Dude, step away from the computer, stop smoking for a few hours and come back when you're sober and reread the thread.

Asserting your opinion is not an argument. If you are right, then you can prove it, or at least support your opinion. So, step up to the computer and find data that supports your opinion.

It's not rocket science, it's just search. Kids can do it.

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

uhhh I'm not aware of calling anyone ignorant, what are you on?

Sorry, did too much pot in my life.
I thought you were him

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by Bill8

Asserting your opinion is not an argument. If you are right, then you can prove it, or at least support your opinion. So, step up to the computer and find data that supports your opinion.

It's not rocket science, it's just search. Kids can do it.

Sorry but you have to be at least slightly retarded to believe no one ever died in a car accident because they were stoned.

[WarChild]

I don't smoke weed at all anymore, just a personal choice. Some of you are so slow though it's amazing. Franck is right there at the top of that list.

What they're trying to show with this is that deaths DIRECTLY ATTRIBUTED to Marijuana is zero. That is, nobody is smoking a joint and ends up dead from that action. Once you start adding in other factors, like car accidents where somebody may have been stoned you've lost site of the point.

What they're trying to demonstate that is things like smoking, booze and yes even peanuts kill people every year all by themselves, and thus as direct contributors to death they are clearly more dangerous than Marijuana. That's it, end of point. You can't dispute that because it's true. Nobody is in here arguing it's a miracle drug, or it's good for you, or anything else. When you start bringing stuff up like that you're deflecting from the original point.

Trying to argue that people get stoned and cause car accidents and thus Marijuana is inherently dangerous is just a stupid argument. Of course that happens. People also die because they cause car accidents while using their cellular phones. Does that make cellular phones in and of themselves dangerous? No of course not.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by WarChild

I don't smoke weed at all anymore, just a personal choice.Some of you are so slow though it's amazing. Franck is right there at the top of that list.

What they're trying to show with this is that deaths DIRECTLY ATTRIBUTED to Marijuana is zero. That is, nobody is smoking a joint and ends up dead from that action. Once you start adding in other factors, like car accidents where somebody may have been stoned you've lost site of the point.

What they're trying to demonstate that is things like smoking, booze and yes even peanuts kill people every year all by themselves, and thus as direct contributors of death they are clearly more dangerous than Marijuana. Nobody is in here arguing it's a miracle drug, or it's good for you, or anything else. When you start bring stuff up like that you're deflecting from the original point.

Trying to argue that people get stoned and cause car accidents and thus Marijuana is inherently dangerous is just a stupid argument. Of course that happens. People also die because they cause car accidents while using their cellular phones. Does that make cellular phones in and of themselves dangerous? No of course not.

True, except the 85,000 attributed to alcohol deaths has to include driving while under the influence not just people dropping dead while drinking beer.

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[WarChild]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

True, except the 85,000 attributed to alcohol deaths has to include driving while under the influence not just people dropping dead while drinking beer.

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Yeah you're right that alcohol deaths are inflated in that manner. Cigarette, homicide and peanuts probably not.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which published the study, estimated that 34,833 people in 2001 died from cirrhosis of the liver, cancer and other diseases linked to drinking too much beer, wine and spirits.

Another 40,933 died from car crashes and other mishaps caused by excessive alcohol use.

If you eliminate the deaths from car crashes, which should have been done to make the point they're trying to make, the remaining number of deaths directly attributed to booze is still pretty high.

[WarChild]

Here's a better representation of the numbers

Cardiovascular diseases 806,156
Malignant neoplasms 562,875
Motor Vehicle Crashes 43,945
Drug induced1 38,371
Septicemia (infections) 34,828
Suicide 34,598
by Firearms 31,224
Accidental poisoning 29,846
Alcohol induced 23,199
Homicide 18,361
Human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) 11,295
Viral hepatitis 7,407
Cannabis (Marijuana) 0

Source: Xu JQ, Kochanek KD, Murphy SL, Tejada-Vera B. Deaths: Final data for 2007. National vital statistics reports; vol 58 no 19. Hyattsville, MD: National Center for Health Statistics. 2010.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr58/nvsr58_19.pdf

9.(2006 - alcohol deaths) "In 2006, a total of 22,073 persons died of alcohol-induced causes in the United States (Tables 23 and 24). This category includes not only deaths from dependent and nondependent use of alcohol, but also accidental poisoning by alcohol. It excludes unintentional injuries, homicides, and other causes indirectly related to alcohol use as well as deaths due to fetal alcohol syndrome."

(2007 - alcohol deaths) "In 2007, a total of 23,199 persons died of alcohol-induced causes in the United States, 1,126 more deaths than in 2006."

[WarChild]

It's not for the USA, it's for France but it at least gives some actual numbers based on real measurments.

Of course people stoned driving cars cause fatalities, that's a no brainer.

A 2005 study by French researchers Bernard Laumon and colleagues suggests driving while under the influence of marijuana, or cannabis, contributes to fatal car crashes. Researchers compiled data given by French police after administering blood and urine tests confirming the presence of marijuana in the systems of 10,748 drivers involved in fatal car accidents. The study found that driver usage of cannabis resulted in 2.5 percent of the fatalities.