Shall i buy or ?borrow' content for my tube site

[Tasty1]

I want to start a tube site. But what should I do.

1) Start a tube with small promo movies
2) buy content for thousands of dollars
3) or do what the big illegal tubes are doing

It seems to me some big companies supporting or have their own illegal tubes. It looks the tubes are profitable when you look at their datacenters and visitors. Big labels are buying traffic or make money selling/buying adspace. The customers also likes to watch the full free videos on the tubes.

To compete with this business model you must keep your cost low. Setting up a company in a safe haven is much cheaper than buying a lot of content. And it is also legal when visitors are uploading content. If it is true that the big companies run the illegal tubes, than this is the only way to compete with them. It looks like the tubes are going to stay, is it time to adopt their business model? There are only few legal actions against illegal tube sites so affiliates have to find a way to keep making money.

I wonder how many people advice option 3 ;)

[purecharlie]

hmmm ok, so you come on a webmasters forum to say "if we can't beat the pirates, we may as well join them" and expect us to pat you on the back and say "suppose you're right pal, go for number 3".
Well, I am tempted to tell you of a fourth option but I am not that rude!

[Sam Granger]

Going with option 3 makes you as bad as the other arseholes, don't lower yourself to that level. Making money of others work without the right to do so is just wrong, karma will get you.

Nice seeing you in Amsterdam by the way, was nice talking to you.

[Tasty1]

Originally Posted by purecharlie

hmmm ok, so you come on a webmasters forum to say "if we can't beat the pirates, we may as well join them" and expect us to pat you on the back and say "suppose you're right pal, go for number 3".
Well, I am tempted to tell you of a fourth option but I am not that rude!

No, i didn't say it that way. Maybe i want to set up a tube with only Brazzers videos and compete with their bussinessmodel ;)

Just starting a topic to start a discussion and learn, you don't have to be rude.

[purecharlie]

Fighting fire with fire you mean? (and I was trying very hard not to be rude in my earlier post as it's not in my nature).
It's a dangerous game, "he who lives by the sword dies by it"

[Fukcdoll]

Hopefully it's only a matter of time before 2257 regulations step in and abolish the tubes for illegal distrobution...

Not sure it will happen.. but it would be nice!

Keep hope alive ;)

[halfpint]

Heres a plan

Buy content, you can buy vids with 2275 docs on GFY for a pretty cheap price now

Use sponsor videos and mix them in with your purchased content

Steal the big tubes traffic and get those sufers eyes on the sponsors content

Or go into a specific niche tube

[xxxjay]

just steal it...it is what everyone else is doing and nobody gets in trouble

[Tasty1]

Originally Posted by xxxjay

just steal it...it is what everyone else is doing and nobody gets in trouble

That's what i mean. Their servers are in the same datacenter as ours and their sites are just 1 click away.

[Tasty1]

Originally Posted by Sam Granger

Going with option 3 makes you as bad as the other arseholes, don't lower yourself to that level. Making money of others work without the right to do so is just wrong, karma will get you.

Nice seeing you in Amsterdam by the way, was nice talking to you.

Hi Sam, nice talking to you also

It was a great show, even talked with some illegal tube owners what was very interesting. i don't produce videos so my situation is not like that from the producers and i won't shoot them ;) I like a discussion about the current situation. B.t.w, my intentions are not to steal, but combine bought videos and sponsor videos. But you never know what everybody is going to do when the big companies start exploiting illegal tube sites. You can see it as a signal they give, just 'borrow' and think only about your own pockets. At least the customers get satisfied with more and more free content.

[Hentaikid]

All content producers should stop making content and open tubes. Can't beat 'em! Join 'em!

[Tippy]

Originally Posted by airholland

No, i didn't say it that way. Maybe i want to set up a tube with only Brazzers videos and compete with their bussinessmodel ;)

I was thinking the same thing, loads of Brazzers content out there so why not stick it to them... come to think of it I also considered a few other sponsors/programs/companies who support/supported or took/gave $ to these illegal tubes, they shouldnt mind I figure...

I know it doesnt make it right but it would be so ez to do, tempting to say the least.

[SmokeyTheBear]

if you steal playboy's content you might be able to skin gfy

[notime]

Call me tommorrow Bjorn if you have a few minutes.

[Tasty1]

Originally Posted by notime

Call me tommorrow Bjorn if you have a few minutes.

I will, that will be friday if i look at the time difference.

[Adraco]

Oh, don't worry about the cost of buying content, it's actually quite cheap, at least if you turn to this "pro" right here, and I quote:

"I am selling adult movies for 1$ each downloadable
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1513310
and you can use these movies for your websites or for your personal use.
i did not download these movies from internet. i have these on CDs so you will get in MPEG format "

End quote.
Isn't it good to know he didn't download them from the Internet and that you can use them on your website or for personal use, all for just a dollar a piece?! Amazing, isn't it???

No, seriously, someone more experienced than me who has any idea of what to do about it?

[notime]

Originally Posted by Adraco

Oh, don't worry about the cost of buying content, it's actually quite cheap, at least if you turn to this "pro" right here, and I quote:

"I am selling adult movies for 1$ each downloadable
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1513310
and you can use these movies for your websites or for your personal use.
i did not download these movies from internet. i have these on CDs so you will get in MPEG format "

End quote.
Isn't it good to know he didn't download them from the Internet and that you can use them on your website or for personal use, all for just a dollar a piece?! Amazing, isn't it???

No, seriously, someone more experienced than me who has any idea of what to do about it?

How nice.
Illegal content providers these days...

[Fucking myself]

Originally Posted by Hentaikid

All content producers should stop making content and open tubes. Can't beat 'em! Join 'em!

If all content producers did that then what the hell would you be posting on the tube ?

[4pleasure]

Originally Posted by airholland

I want to start a tube site. But what should I do.

1) Start a tube with small promo movies
2) buy content for thousands of dollars
3) or do what the big illegal tubes are doing

It seems to me some big companies supporting or have their own illegal tubes. It looks the tubes are profitable when you look at their datacenters and visitors. Big labels are buying traffic or make money selling/buying adspace. The customers also likes to watch the full free videos on the tubes.

To compete with this business model you must keep your cost low. Setting up a company in a safe haven is much cheaper than buying a lot of content. And it is also legal when visitors are uploading content. If it is true that the big companies run the illegal tubes, than this is the only way to compete with them. It looks like the tubes are going to stay, is it time to adopt their business model? There are only few legal actions against illegal tube sites so affiliates have to find a way to keep making money.

I wonder how many people advice option 3 ;)

The bandwidth costs for tubes are huge! Unless you have sponsors that host your content. Do yourself a favor and launch some niche "nubilestube" tubes ( script can be downloaded from http://tubescript.nubiles.net/ ). Almost no bandwidth costs like that.

[Tasty1]

When we got problems with cost of bandwith, than we are doing it right.
But we have a long way to go before we have to deal with that problem.

Illegal tube, illegal adult content provider, now we have to find an illegal employee in a third world country to do the work ;)

[notime]

Originally Posted by airholland

When we got problems with cost of bandwith, than we are doing it right.
But we have a long way to go before we have to deal with that problem.

Illegal tube, illegal adult content provider, now we have to find an illegal employee in a third world country to do the work ;)

Nigeria is good for that I hear
They can make your money dissapear too "illegally"
Just dial 911-sucker-me.

[DBS.US]

Does the world need one more tube site? Your never going to make any real money copying others. Try to do a site that's different, gets people talking, and returning.

[Kinky John]

Originally Posted by notime

How nice.
Illegal content providers these days...

amazing ain't it ?

no mention of docs whatsoever

even a buck is expensive for illegal content

[Nautilus]

Youporn and Redtube switched to almost 100% legal now, and they're still the biggest dogs out there - only got stronger compared to other tubes which stayed illegal and have to remove most of the quality clips. There are also several lesser legal tubes that compete with the illegal ones just fine - 4tube.com for example. Not to mention legal tubes are simply WAY MORE profitable - they can run the same ads illegal tubes run but they also have additional income from paysites sales (which is a huge source of income because with the good promo, paysites sell well on tube traffic).

Illegal tubes are the dead end, it is too late to jump into that game now. There's still some money to be made with them, but the tide is switching and you better be ahead of the curve to ensure your business model is sustainable in the long run.

It is way better to cooperate with producers and have quality clips submitted to you, instead of being constantly DMCAd away.

[ezgirl]

Same thing is happening to us that happened to the music industry. People feel ripped-off when they pay $20 for an album that has two songs they like on it. Likewise porn consumers feel ripped-off when they buy a membership to a site that has nonexclusive content on it, content they have already seen everywhere else. And don't forget cross-sales. If the sites steal from them they reason it is OK for them to steal from the sites. I believe if the websites have quality exclusive content they will build and keep a loyal membership base. But what I read on these boards is that webmasters think they are just marketers, and they are just competing to sell the sizzle of the steak instead of the steak. We should return to basics - sell your members quality content and give them quality service. You can't expect them to be loyal to you when you are not loyal to them. In other words, treat them the way you would like to be treated.

[notime]

Originally Posted by ezgirl

quality content and give them quality service. You can't expect them to be loyal to you when you are not loyal to them. In other words, treat them the way you would like to be treated.

In any business that is THE golden rule to keep clients happy, grow your business and make a profit. Not only for consumers but also in B2B.
People and companies doing different are the ones wanting the fast cash
and the ones that love, serve & respect their clients, exceeding their expectaions, are the long term people and companies.

[LeRoy]

I have great tube content Bjorn.

Hit me up if you need some.

[Tasty1]

Hi Leroy,

Thanks, i will. But firt working now on some other sites.
I must try some other tube scripts also, we couldn't get SMTP working on our servers.
Maybe set up Tube Ace to look how that works.

[fatfoo]

Don't do option (3)

I don't advise illegal content theft.

[exsexvideos]

I'm trying to get into the tube world but how do you really make money in it. Here is my site ExSexVideos (com) it is still under construction. Right now i have an affiliate with a web cam site and a toysite.

Please look my site over and give me ideas on how to make money.

Thanks

[Maxi]

Do none of the above?

I just posted a thread asking for hosted hotlinkable .flv content and I got a bunch of replys and probably over 100k of videos.

Also every single video will be associated with an affiliate link, so your chances of converting will be much better then random sponsors unrelated to the video being watched.

showthread.php?t=991305


Check it out.

[martin1965]

I have a great Tube Site and only use Legal material... Stealing from others is just plain wrong...

[Exbi]

Originally Posted by LeRoy

I have great tube content Bjorn.

Hit me up if you need some.

Looking legal content for tube site.
Hit me up icq 46two7739one3

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1

I want to start a tube site. But what should I do.

1) Start a tube with small promo movies
2) buy content for thousands of dollars
3) or do what the big illegal tubes are doing

It seems to me some big companies supporting or have their own illegal tubes. It looks the tubes are profitable when you look at their datacenters and visitors. Big labels are buying traffic or make money selling/buying adspace. The customers also likes to watch the full free videos on the tubes.

To compete with this business model you must keep your cost low. Setting up a company in a safe haven is much cheaper than buying a lot of content. And it is also legal when visitors are uploading content. If it is true that the big companies run the illegal tubes, than this is the only way to compete with them. It looks like the tubes are going to stay, is it time to adopt their business model? There are only few legal actions against illegal tube sites so affiliates have to find a way to keep making money.

I wonder how many people advice option 3 ;)

hello

we have tubecontent for sale
let me know if your interested

[maxroyale808]

Anyone here run a tube site that worked? Would love to here how you did it...


Max

[KBHMN]

Originally Posted by Maxi

Do none of the above?

I just posted a thread asking for hosted hotlinkable .flv content and I got a bunch of replys and probably over 100k of videos.

Also every single video will be associated with an affiliate link, so your chances of converting will be much better then random sponsors unrelated to the video being watched.

showthread.php?t=991305


Check it out.

Awesome! THIS is exactly what I have been looking for so I can keep my vids from being viewed in the country I shoot in (Phils). So many tube sites I have talked to rather host their own, which means they are missing out on sales for sites that need selective blocking, on top of giving themselves a HUGE bandwidth bill... lol I just don't get it. Anyway, I'm sending you off a PM now Maxi... glad I found you here in this thread!