Rabbit Reviews gets Myxomatosis

[Cherry7]

Looks like madness has broken out with Rabbits Reviews. To get the best score for video it has to be encoded at 8000 + , They don't say how such files will play on most punters computers, maybe at 2 frames a second.

Their only idea of quality is bit rate....they do not consider any of the other factors that effect image quality...camera, lens, exposure, lighting , focus etc etc

The idea that a video or photograph is high quality just because of its file size is just bonkers.

A real computer nerds idea of quality.

Never mind other factors like how hot the girls are, and what imagination and creativity is used in making a hot product.

As usual high scores are got by websites that shoot tons and tons of the the routine boring crap.

Can we get a human to do some reviews? The Rabbit has gone mad.

[Harmon]

Originally Posted by Cherry7

As usual high scores are got by websites that shoot tons and tons of the the routine boring crap.

High scores are about what their affiliate link sends them the most sales.

[seeric]

i gave up on review sites years ago.

[19teenporn]

Fuck rabbit reviews then...

[Cherry7]

Originally Posted by Harmon

High scores are about what their affiliate link sends them the most sales.

That would be a very interesting and valid criteria..... a sort of top of the pops of traffic conversions.... but spare me the bullshit review criteria...

[Harmon]

Originally Posted by Cherry7

That would be a very interesting and valid criteria..... a sort of top of the pops of traffic conversions.... but spare me the bullshit review criteria...

If you didn't see it before, let me repost.



The only honesty in this industry is that if you are a scumbag, dollar digging douche bag... you will make money. Everybody will cut their own mother's head off to make a buck. It's a dog eat dog world, and I hate to say it but it has only gotten worse and will continue to get worse.

All I can say is contact some of the top review sites and attempt to "buy" reviews.

[Bladewire]

Am I the only one who got an email from them this morning?

[Doug of Montreal]

Originally Posted by Cherry7

Looks like madness has broken out with Rabbits Reviews. To get the best score for video it has to be encoded at 8000 +

Ah Cherry! And I had thought our half-hour discussion on this in London over the weekend would have softened the blow! (okay, i knew there was no chance in hell you were going to understand what I was telling you, but I gave it the ole college try)

At any rate, this is a much better idea of what the competition is doing out there. If it surprises you, you should probably give your head a shake. I know you said you are a production guy. It doesn't surprise me that you're surprised by all of this. This industry is changing. Our criteria is changing as a result. Adapt or...

Originally Posted by Harmon

High scores are about what their affiliate link sends them the most sales.

We'd make a lot more money if that was the case. It's just not so at our shop.

[Far-L]

Originally Posted by Doug of Montreal

Ah Cherry! And I had thought our half-hour discussion on this in London over the weekend would have softened the blow! (okay, i knew there was no chance in hell you were going to understand what I was telling you, but I gave it the ole college try)

At any rate, this is a much better idea of what the competition is doing out there. If it surprises you, you should probably give your head a shake. I know you said you are a production guy. It doesn't surprise me that you're surprised by all of this. This industry is changing. Our criteria is changing as a result. Adapt or...



We'd make a lot more money if that was the case. It's just not so at our shop.

Sorry to be off topic but we need our review updated - who is the best person to ping about that?

[PR_Dave]

We know what customers want, download and stream and it is usually the opposite of what review sites score for.

[CaptainHowdy]

I too complain when others fail to meet my low standards ...

[LeRoy]

Gotta love the traffic and sales tho

[amateurcanada]

In all fairness what video format is requiring 8000kbps. If this is for DVD quality 640x480 content its a bit much - but for HD 1080p/i then this is a good bar to set to avoid people smashing in shat content.

[FreeHugeMovies]

That guy Doug is really an asshole! LOL =]

[pornmasta]

The money is in motion

[GARY LEE]

I've been solicited by rabbit review several times to do a review of one of my sites. Each time I set up passwords and got them the info. Each time I was put on the ignore list. If anyone from Rabbits reads this don't bother sending me an email saying your sorry about the mix up and lets try it again. I will just ignore you no matter what you say.
What I'm asking the board is, "Who does good reviews?". I would love my site to be reviewed by a competent review site.

[RyuLion]

Originally Posted by Doug of Montreal

Ah Cherry! And I had thought our half-hour discussion on this in London over the weekend would have softened the blow! (okay, i knew there was no chance in hell you were going to understand what I was telling you, but I gave it the ole college try)

At any rate, this is a much better idea of what the competition is doing out there. If it surprises you, you should probably give your head a shake. I know you said you are a production guy. It doesn't surprise me that you're surprised by all of this. This industry is changing. Our criteria is changing as a result. Adapt or...



We'd make a lot more money if that was the case. It's just not so at our shop.

[mikesouth]

Review sites are worthless just wankers wanting free porn a real review site will pay just like a customer, then you know its legit and not playing favorites

[Cherry7]

Originally Posted by Doug of Montreal

Ah Cherry! And I had thought our half-hour discussion on this in London over the weekend would have softened the blow! (okay, i knew there was no chance in hell you were going to understand what I was telling you, but I gave it the ole college try)

At any rate, this is a much better idea of what the competition is doing out there. If it surprises you, you should probably give your head a shake. I know you said you are a production guy. It doesn't surprise me that you're surprised by all of this. This industry is changing. Our criteria is changing as a result. Adapt or...



We'd make a lot more money if that was the case. It's just not so at our shop.

As when I met you, you are ignoring the points I made.

Is the quality of video just the bit-rate at which it is encoded ?

No, it is the sum of many factors, as can be seen in professional film production.

What does it matter what the competition is doing?

A real review site would take all factors of quality into account.

The more effort a producer makes the lower you score them.

This does a disservice to the punter and the industry.


That fact that 8000+ bit-rate movies won't play on most computers makes the scoring just mad.

[bjlover]

Originally Posted by Cherry7

As when I met you, you are ignoring the points I made.

Is the quality of video just the bit-rate at which it is encoded ?

No, it is the sum of many factors, as can be seen in professional film production.

What does it matter what the competition is doing?

A real review site would take all factors of quality into account.

The more effort a producer makes the lower you score them.

This does a disservice to the punter and the industry.


That fact that 8000+ bit-rate movies won't play on most computers makes the scoring just mad.

It wouldn't matter what bit rate you used, you would still be showing some of the, if not the, worst porn (well what you think is porn, but punters don't) anyway


Rabbits is a private business, they owe you nothing. If you don't like what they say, don't do business with them.

simple

[ottopottomouse]

[Leshansom]

Sorry I missed you in London last weekend. I agree with you in many ways. It's well past time we had real humans writing reviews and not in-house writers. I mean no disrespect by this, but we all have to admit that when the only thing you do is review porn sites, you're pretty much bound to become a little desensitised by it all. However, I don't see an easy solution to this since Rabbits are an enormous company that need to have a reliable in-house team in order to keep up with the demand; I do think that the criteria is in need of change however, it's gotten a little out of control.

Personally, on the issue of quality, I think that things like picture and video quality are pretty much a given these days. The average paysite out there usually has good enough hi-res pictures and HD movies, and this sort of thing doesn't even need to be mentioned unless they're really terrible. For goodness sake let's get away from the quality of pics and vids all the time; they're all generally pretty good these days aren't they?

I attended a seminar on review sites in Amsterdam and got the impression that some of the details that were being reviewed were not likely to be very interesting to the reader at all, particularly because, as the guy from The Best Porn said, "they're already there because they want to pay for a porn site." What the punter needs to know are details about price and content, and not just bonus sites and quantity, but quality of updates too.

Originality, imagination and creativity are certainly things that need to be concentrated on a little more in my opinion, I agree, and it would certainly raise the bar for other porn sites to do that little bit more.

There is still room for porn review sites to get the respect they deserve, they just need to change the rules a little. Everything needs updating now and then, and even though they're converting like crazy and making a lot of money at the moment, this could soon die down as people lose respect for the substance and integrity of individual reviews. The guys on the panel in Amsterdam all agreed that they have been receiving significantly less reviews lately.

[gleem]

most of our surfers just stream at medium SD resolutions 2kbps or less. But you have to learn that what is right for a review site isn't always right for your members.

Don't get hung up on scores, I get good sales from Rabbit on the sites I got below average scores on.

I know it stings the ego a bit, but you will go crazy trying to rationalize your review site scores.

[Doug of Montreal]

Originally Posted by Far-L

Sorry to be off topic but we need our review updated - who is the best person to ping about that?

I've added you to Skype. We'll get you hooked up ;)

Originally Posted by PR_Dave

We know what customers want, download and stream and it is usually the opposite of what review sites score for.

They want options, that's for sure. Our old criteria only gave points for downloads. Now streaming is weighted equally.

Originally Posted by amateurcanada

In all fairness what video format is requiring 8000kbps. If this is for DVD quality 640x480 content its a bit much - but for HD 1080p/i then this is a good bar to set to avoid people smashing in shat content.

Quality is improving and it will continue to do so. 8K might be a bit ahead of the curve right now, but in ten years time it won't be.

Originally Posted by FreeHugeMovies

That guy Doug is really an asshole! LOL =]

I am such a dick. Somebody please put me out of my misery. And are you doing any shows any more? I haven't seen you in a long bloody time!

Originally Posted by GARY LEE

I've been solicited by rabbit review several times to do a review of one of my sites. Each time I set up passwords and got them the info. Each time I was put on the ignore list. If anyone from Rabbits reads this don't bother sending me an email saying your sorry about the mix up and lets try it again. I will just ignore you no matter what you say.

No emails will be forthcoming. If you can't figure out how to add a guy to Skype or ICQ and get business done, I'm afraid you only have yourself to blame.

Originally Posted by Cherry7

Is the quality of video just the bit-rate at which it is encoded ? No, it is the sum of many factors, as can be seen in professional film production. What does it matter what the competition is doing? A real review site would take all factors of quality into account. The more effort a producer makes the lower you score them. This does a disservice to the punter and the industry. That fact that 8000+ bit-rate movies won't play on most computers makes the scoring just mad.

To your points...

I) No, bitrate doesn't tell the whole picture, but it does tell a large part of it. And it's the only part which is easily quantifiable. Our review should cover the rest.
II) What does it matter what the competition is doing? Are you serious? Looking at what they're doing is a really good way someone like yourself can learn. And as you've said, there's a lot about this Internet thing that you just don't know.
III) We score people lower who work harder? Um, no. That's just not true.
IV) If 8k doesn't play on your computer, burn it to a DVD. Our reviews aren't for you. They are for connoisseurs who realize the bar is constantly being raised and they want to enjoy their passion in it's fullest.

Originally Posted by mikesouth

Review sites are worthless just wankers wanting free porn a real review site will pay just like a customer, then you know its legit and not playing favorites

If there's something that's out of place on our site with a review, we're happy to fix it. We try and do this honestly. And I think our review criteria now basically allows for more transparency than any other site. It's detailed so wanking is kept to a minimum.

[Doug of Montreal]

Originally Posted by Leshansom

Sorry I missed you in London last weekend. I agree with you in many ways. It's well past time we had real humans writing reviews and not in-house writers. I mean no disrespect by this, but we all have to admit that when the only thing you do is review porn sites, you're pretty much bound to become a little desensitised by it all.

Personally, on the issue of quality, I think that things like picture and video quality are pretty much a given these days... For goodness sake let's get away from the quality of pics and vids all the time; they're all generally pretty good these days aren't they?

Originality, imagination and creativity are certainly things that need to be concentrated on a little more in my opinion, I agree, and it would certainly raise the bar for other porn sites to do that little bit more.

The guys on the panel in Amsterdam all agreed that they have been receiving significantly less reviews lately.

You should have said hello! But I'm not sure where you are really coming from. I think it's important to have experts doing any job, and that's what we have in-house. We allow for user reviews on our review pages for the average joe to have his say. They are able to provide different opinions, and important ones, but they can't speak from a position of authority. They are always highly subjective.

And no, vid and pic quality isn't a given. You should see the spread in different levels that are available. Maybe you're less discerning then some others, but we try to give the most details so that those who are interested in the subtle differences can make educated decisions.

Originality and creativity are important to any site. They are just hard to quantify. And they are subjective. Our new criteria is designed so that our scoring is as transparent as possible. The written review, however, can speak to things such as originality and creativity.

And no, not all of the guys agreed that reviews were harder to come by. I actually said we were having a great year for submissions, while the past two years we struggled a bit more. ;)

Originally Posted by gleem

Don't get hung up on scores, I get good sales from Rabbit on the sites I got below average scores on. I know it stings the ego a bit, but you will go crazy trying to rationalize your review site scores.

Well said! Our scores aren't meant to be the final word on any site. They are just supposed to provide a little more information that a surfer can use to make a choice they feel comfortable with.

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

I too complain when others surpass my low standards ...

Fixed that for me??

[Doug of Montreal]

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

Fixed that for me??

hehe - it was a good point. I'll see what I can do ;)

[gleem]

Originally Posted by Doug of Montreal

Well said! Our scores aren't meant to be the final word on any site. They are just supposed to provide a little more information that a surfer can use to make a choice they feel comfortable with.

Right, I still fight like hell to raise my scores though lol!

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by Doug of Montreal

hehe - it was a good point. I'll see what I can do ;)

[Doug of Montreal]

Originally Posted by gleem

Right, I still fight like hell to raise my scores though lol!

As every site owner should! Up until the release of this criteria, there was a lot more room for webmasters to come back to us and find extra points. It will be a little harder to do now, but ideally more consistent overall. That's the idea, anyway!

[nation-x]

8000kpbs is typically DVD quality.

[Cherry7]

Originally Posted by bjlover

It wouldn't matter what bit rate you used, you would still be showing some of the, if not the, worst porn (well what you think is porn, but punters don't) anyway


Rabbits is a private business, they owe you nothing. If you don't like what they say, don't do business with them.

simple

This has nothing to do with the punters.

I don't care if Rabbit Reviews like our site or not, but at least be upfront and honest about it.

If they tell the world and us that the way you evaluate video is just by its bit rate I am going to say they are wrong.

The are misleading their customers and doing a disservice to the industry.

When they encourage quantity over quality they do a disservice to the industry too...

It takes more time and money to make better product, which means fewer updates and less material. Better less but better. For the industry to charge money I think we should improve the quality.

We are both private businesses and when we both agreed for them to review our site there is a contract. We think they have broken our trust in them.

Some people think we have produced some of the best erotic material, but we are appealing to a more demanding and thinking audience, so it is no surprise you do not like it.

[Cherry7]

In fact this is great news for the producers of crap porn, no need to bother with proper cameras, lighting etc just encode the junk at 8000 and get top marks from the mad rabbit.

Show me a TV review or film review were they say, Wow look how well this is encoded?

No, they would say "The Wire" is a great story shot to full professional standards.

That is what you fail to do. You cannot review erotic material using normal criteria?

Why not ? It is too confusing for you?

You criteria would give higher scores to the shopping channel than "The Story of O"

[porno jew]

maybe your site sucks? thus the poor review.

Originally Posted by Cherry7

This has nothing to do with the punters.

I don't care if Rabbit Reviews like our site or not, but at least be upfront and honest about it.

If they tell the world and us that the way you evaluate video is just by its bit rate I am going to say they are wrong.

The are misleading their customers and doing a disservice to the industry.

When they encourage quantity over quality they do a disservice to the industry too...

It takes more time and money to make better product, which means fewer updates and less material. Better less but better. For the industry to charge money I think we should improve the quality.

We are both private businesses and when we both agreed for them to review our site there is a contract. We think they have broken our trust in them.

Some people think we have produced some of the best erotic material, but we are appealing to a more demanding and thinking audience, so it is no surprise you do not like it.

[Doug of Montreal]

Originally Posted by porno jew

maybe your site sucks? thus the poor review.

HE DIDN'T GET A POOR REVIEW! The review is practically glowing. This is the problem. He just didn't score well and refuses, at all costs, to acknowledge that there may be another way to look at web sites other than through his eyes.

Drives me batty he does, but he actually seems remarkably sane in person.

[Cherry7]

Originally Posted by porno jew

maybe your site sucks? thus the poor review.

Maybe it does, but all I have to do is encode it at 8,000 bits and I will get top marks for quality.....

Thats how mad it is.

So ugly girl encoded at 8000 bits - top marks

Fantantic babe at 2000 bits Fail


Get it ?

[porno jew]

best thing would be to get rabbit's to remove your review then. case closed.

[Cherry7]

Originally Posted by porno jew

best thing would be to get rabbit's to remove your review then. case closed.

That's what we are thinking. We are trying to create something different and spending a lot of time and effort making films that are erotic creative and different, and our site is marked down in the most moronic way for bit-rate, updates and quantiy...

If they think Brazzers is 97% then we really should be nowhere near such a site with such lack of judgment. (and lack of technical knowledge)

It is a shame that there is no review site that would promote the original and the creative and help punters find more interesting fair than the same few sites.

[Leshansom]

Originally Posted by Doug of Montreal

You should have said hello! But I'm not sure where you are really coming from. I think it's important to have experts doing any job, and that's what we have in-house. We allow for user reviews on our review pages for the average joe to have his say. They are able to provide different opinions, and important ones, but they can't speak from a position of authority. They are always highly subjective.

And no, vid and pic quality isn't a given. You should see the spread in different levels that are available. Maybe you're less discerning then some others, but we try to give the most details so that those who are interested in the subtle differences can make educated decisions.

Originality and creativity are important to any site. They are just hard to quantify. And they are subjective. Our new criteria is designed so that our scoring is as transparent as possible. The written review, however, can speak to things such as originality and creativity.

And no, not all of the guys agreed that reviews were harder to come by. I actually said we were having a great year for submissions, while the past two years we struggled a bit more. ;)



Well said! Our scores aren't meant to be the final word on any site. They are just supposed to provide a little more information that a surfer can use to make a choice they feel comfortable with.

Sorry, yes, my mistake. They said they had been having a hard time, but it's improved. Good luck with everything and thanks for your response.

When I said I missed you in London I was actually referring to Cherry But it's nice to chat to you on here none the less, I missed one speed networking event and you seemed rather busy after the seminar in Amsterdam to chat to; I took a lot away from that by the way, thanks.

[VladS]

Originally Posted by Cherry7

[...]

So ugly girl encoded at 8000 bits - top marks

Fantantic babe at 2000 bits Fai

[...]

What is a fantastic babe for you could be the ugly girl for somebody else and so on. How can one rank that aspect?

[Doug of Montreal]

Originally Posted by Leshansom

When I said I missed you in London I was actually referring to Cherry But it's nice to chat to you on here none the less, I missed one speed networking event and you seemed rather busy after the seminar in Amsterdam to chat to; I took a lot away from that by the way, thanks.

Oh... hehe... my bad! Anyway, glad you caught the seminar and were able to take something away. If you ever have any questions, I'm always happy to help.

[Cherry7]

[QUOTE=Leshansom;18456514]Sorry I missed you in London last weekend. I agree with you in many ways. It's well past time we had real humans writing reviews and not in-house writers.

Originality, imagination and creativity are certainly things that need to be concentrated on a little more in my opinion, I agree, and it would certainly raise the bar for other porn sites to do that little bit more.

QUOTE]

Sorry to have missed you too ! But feel free to e-mail me, would be good to chat.

On the point about creativity it would be good if the review sites held site with large incomes to some sort of account, considering their large income they should be leading the way in creativity and risk taking and not just making money. Again the review site fail to hold them to account.

They way people talk you would think they had never seen a film or TV review.

[Doug of Montreal]

Originally Posted by Gsx-R

What is a fantastic babe for you could be the ugly girl for somebody else and so on. How can one rank that aspect?

Cmon Cherry - answer the man! Or put forth how you'd rate lighting or camera technique! All I'm hearing is hot air. Give us some of your wonderful web wisdom!

[Roald]

just have the damn thing removed and move on.

really its that simple.

[SmutHammer]

I will gladly share my review from rabbits.

http://www.rabbitsreviews.com/s9991/Lil-Candy.html

14 out of 15 on quality, and I'm happy and agree with that.

quality of a picture or video doesn't have anything to do with who is in the video, how they look, or your style of shooting, Quality is what it is, it's good equiptment with know how on using it. how you encode your vids also has a big part in it, bit rate is very important! the thing I don't get about most review sites is they don't consider 720P HD? but 1080i with a much lower bit rate is....?

They should set the bar high, and keep it moving as technoligy progresses, and I will try my best to improve and keep up with anyone else out there!

[xNetworx]

[Cherry7]

Originally Posted by Doug of Montreal

Cmon Cherry - answer the man! Or put forth how you'd rate lighting or camera technique! All I'm hearing is hot air. Give us some of your wonderful web wisdom!

I thought it too silly to answer. Take a look at girls posted on GFY, you will see that very hot girls get the thumbs up from the majority of webmasters. You can't work out what a hot girl is just tell the punter to choose a high bitrate !!!!!

Of course, there are questions of taste, different fetishes, styles and approuches, and I would suggest you let different reviewers choose their favourite sites. Different newspaper reviewers give different films different scores.

You want to keep higher scores to sites that make poor quality video encoded at a high bitrate.


Try watching anything on mainstream TV / Film to see how things should be shot.

Why should porn be so shit ?

[Cherry7]

Originally Posted by Roald

just have the damn thing removed and move on.

really its that simple.

Absolutely, affiliates that do not understand what we are doing and lack basic understanding of culture and the erotic will be terminated with extreme prejudice.

[SmutHammer]

you have some really nice productions, you can see that you put alot into filming and editing, also hot girls, I can see why your so upset. but when I watched the trailers I seen pixalation, dude, bump that bit rate and you are there!

that being said, u might wanna chill on bashing your affiliates, you may be upsetting many other affiliates you now have.

but over all, Great work!

[DamianJ]

seems simple to me, the site got a good review and was let down solely by the low bitrate.

3 solutions

1) increase the bitrate and then get good score as well as good review

2) ask for review to be pulled

3) bitch about it on gfy