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LatinCams · 10-12-2012, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by adultmobile

Different sites have different policies. Our one is that we consider studio only who provide something to the model such as the web cams or even place of work, it can not be a middlemen reseller. In that case, the model can skip him/her later, but in general we warn middlemens of this and they not even register to our site in first place. In case that who register the model at least give camera or pc or pay internet bill to model even if she work from her home, then that qualify as non-middlemen (or middle-gurl), so if the model want re-register to get 100% we ask the studio who bring her if agrees or not, then if not, should be the model to bribe the studio so he agree or whatever fight they can do, is not matter of the site. We made an one page long rules about the various cases of models changing studios or wanting to become independent, as it is a constant drama - also note models can say the studio did not paid them and this is why want to be independent and this could be false and is not easy to check this, and so on.

We are all middlemen.
If you have a WebcamSite you are also one.
We all depend on each other.
Other wise each girl would joust have her own Solo Site....

Django · 10-12-2012, 04:58 PM

adultmobile · 10-12-2012, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Our broadcasts do not involve bestiality, incest, violent sex, rape, scat or other acts that might be out of sync with the Dutch Laws.

I meant as a trend. We don't allow this stuff too (as would be Visa / Mastercard not wanting it, even if government wished, as it was time ago), but I was meaning that every time the govt change laws, it is to put illegal something more, and they did not stopped, so what's next, they will end up making illegal to show naked at some point.
So they started with scat, bestiality, slap in face too hard, and they will continue adding illegal stuff, not allowing more, until they hit our core business too.

About cookies the UK implementation is ok, but the dutch one it is crazy, there was some posts about it. We may detect NL traffic and have special version for them, I mean we know USA laws not best but please do not praise Euro Union even it got Peace Nobel as this is the heaven of laws and taxes about everything, VAT increases first - you may have noticed dutch tax increased from 19% to 21% on euro customers, very business friendly I would say (even regarding % to pay studios after VAT is paid), USA got no vat's.

Django · 10-12-2012, 05:07 PM

adultmobile · 10-12-2012, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by LatinCams

We are all middlemen.
If you have a WebcamSite you are also one.
We all depend on each other.
Other wise each girl would joust have her own Solo Site....

I don't care and no different payout if model is registered by herself, by a phisical studio or by a virtual one = reseller. Whoever registers first a model, he gets the payment, then it is not my problem what % holds.
I make this difference only when I need to solve the drama of a model changing studio or going as "home model". We get some of this drama every week if not daily, it is fashionably the most classical drama we get as a cam site.
So the phisical studio in Novokhabirzabrazorsk registers 10 models on 1 january, all going well especially Irina does lots money because got one whale. So much money she wants all for herself, she quits studio who pay her "only 50%" on 1 March, and buy logitech at home, then write to the site when ready on 1 April: "I am Irina boss so bad they keep 50% for do nothing I have my own cam and pc now can I work direct to site".
At this point we need rules in place beforehand to use to decide this; if the Novokhabirzabrazorsk studio registered her first, paid her all including last month she worked, and say us they do NOT want her to work from home (which is 95% of what studios say in this case), we have to reply to Irina: sorry you can't unless your former boss agrees, try to bribe him so he say ok to us, or good luck. Alternatively, wait 6 months since last time you was online so 1 march -> 1 september, contact us in september and we may see what we can do (we decide depending how politically bad it is to make Novokhabirzabrazorsk studio unhappy).
If the previous studio did not paid her in full, or it is unable to provide her workplace (it was raided by police or tech issues etc.), the model can re-register with no waits or authorisations.
If previous studio was just a reseller (virtual studio) - and he says not free her - protection of studio it is not automatic. Of course there's some of those virtual guys who do so well and provide so many girls, and even pay them advance, before we even pay the agency, that they're protected too.
I mean if you get hundreds of those dramas every year you need a standard procedure and rule in place. No any rule can make happy everyone but if it is written clearly and shown beforehand and as a site you respect it, at least that's clean.

LatinCams · 10-13-2012, 09:37 AM

You cant say that all virtual Studios do nothing.
I can only talk for us, but we for example offer:

90 - 94% Payouts (That means a girl has to make upt to 1600 USD for us to make 100 USD)
Weekly Payments no matter how site pays. (We pay up to 30 days before normally the sites do, from our own money).
24/7 Tech Support (That cost Money, that with not good selling models we wouldnt get back)
Loans (If a model leaves our Studio and leaves in a fahr away location it would probably gets lost)
Prizes (We give prizes to encourage Models that most sites dont even have)
Etc.

And I believe some Location Studios do very less than that.
So you are saying thats all worth shit ?
There are Scammers everywhere, I have seen in the past also Webcamsites scamming.
But we can not generalize.

BareBacked · 10-13-2012, 09:58 AM

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Barry-xlovecam · 10-13-2012, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by adultmobile

I meant as a trend. We don't allow this stuff too (as would be Visa / Mastercard not wanting it, even if government wished, as it was time ago), but I was meaning that every time the govt change laws, it is to put illegal something more, and they did not stopped, so what's next, they will end up making illegal to show naked at some point.
So they started with scat, bestiality, slap in face too hard, and they will continue adding illegal stuff, not allowing more, until they hit our core business too.

About cookies the UK implementation is ok, but the dutch one it is crazy, there was some posts about it. We may detect NL traffic and have special version for them, I mean we know USA laws not best but please do not praise Euro Union even it got Peace Nobel as this is the heaven of laws and taxes about everything, VAT increases first - you may have noticed dutch tax increased from 19% to 21% on euro customers, very business friendly I would say (even regarding % to pay studios after VAT is paid), USA got no vat's.

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CHAPTER I--DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

PART 75--CHILD PROTECTION RESTORATION AND PENALTIES ENHANCEMENT ACT OF 1990; PROTECT ACT; ADAM WALSH CHILD PROTECTION AND SAFETY ACT OF 2006; RECORDKEEPING AND RECORD-INSPECTION PROVISIONS

§ 75.1 Definitions.

(2) In reference to a visual depiction of sexually explicit conduct, means a duplicate of the depiction itself (e.g., the film, the image on a Web site, the image taken by a webcam, the photo in a magazine); and ...

What I meant is;

1.) that US 18 USC §2257 requires the recordkeeping of all webcam broadcasts. At face value, and subject to current legal challenges, terebytes of video broadcasts would have to be retained and indexed. Would you care to calculate the cost of that? Also, there is the issue of overall performer privacy and the basic right to be secure in ones records and premises.

2.) that the general situation toward the adult industry in not good with the religious right "fundamental christians" and the voices of "the moral majority" have long been a pain in the ass to say the least further pandered to as a constituency by a certain political party.
I cannot comment on the tax law situation for our company.

With regard to the EU data privacy laws enacted by individual member countries; The Dutch laws are more severe than the UK laws however the enacted laws have yet to withstand court challenges. The cookie laws were enacted for reason of the abuse of third party advertisers' cookies, tracking, subsequent data warehousing and sales of data. Some of these same privacy law principles will be followed in other national laws that have yet to be enacted is my own prediction. Cookies are dead -- read the writing on the wall.

adultmobile · 10-13-2012, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by LatinCams

You cant say that all virtual Studios do nothing.
I can only talk for us, but we for example offer:

In fact I added: "Of course there's some of those virtual guys who do so well and provide so many girls, and even pay them advance, before we even pay the agency, that they're protected by us".
For example this US agency does the above: http://www.bksgirls.com/private-videos/
And they're protected in case some model would want to bypass, but they're not even doing it yet as they pay in advance and keep a small % and collect from all sites at once which is handy.

What I was referring to as middlemen, it is the typical romanian or ukrainian guy who know a few cam girls in city who are not so smart to even order a payoneer themselves, or print and sign a form, and so the guy it is a little faster than the girls to find new sites and register. But doing really nothing except take a 30%+ for pass the money to the girls, eventually even late. Believe me that's so often happening.

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

[INDENT]
What I meant is;
1.) that US 18 USC §2257 requires the recordkeeping of all webcam broadcasts.

Yes I know this and a few US sites are keeping recording of all broadcasts which is also quite a cost in storage. Or, eventually they risk to be not compliant. Regarding this, Europe for now is better but I insist governments here are doing crazy new laws every month, that even if not enforced or enforceable (see super strict cookie thing in NL), can definitely give issues on surprise. As example in some Euro countries they consider running a cam site same as running a brothel = prostitution (no matter no one touch each other), and since being a pimp is illegal in some of such euro countries, run a cam site its more danger to run than USA, where I don't see prosecution of cam site owners for prostitution and pimping yet (but if they read european judgements they may learn soon).

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AmeliaG · 10-15-2012, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by LatinCams

You cant say that all virtual Studios do nothing.
I can only talk for us, but we for example offer:

90 - 94% Payouts (That means a girl has to make upt to 1600 USD for us to make 100 USD)
Weekly Payments no matter how site pays. (We pay up to 30 days before normally the sites do, from our own money).
24/7 Tech Support (That cost Money, that with not good selling models we wouldnt get back)
Loans (If a model leaves our Studio and leaves in a fahr away location it would probably gets lost)
Prizes (We give prizes to encourage Models that most sites dont even have)
Etc.

And I believe some Location Studios do very less than that.
So you are saying thats all worth shit ?
There are Scammers everywhere, I have seen in the past also Webcamsites scamming.
But we can not generalize.

I would think setup and traffic and promo would top the list of what webmasters would supply as a studio? The most awesome chat host in the world is not going to make anything in an empty room or without the right setup.

LatinCams · 10-15-2012, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

I would think setup and traffic and promo would top the list of what webmasters would supply as a studio? The most awesome chat host in the world is not going to make anything in an empty room or without the right setup.

Lost you .... dont know what my quote has to do with your comment

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