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Old 10-14-2011, 04:44 AM   #1
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You think Obama will get re-elected?

I dont think he will... you?
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The change he gave America was outstanding.
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exactly. and i didnt have anything against him, I voted for him LOL but i was only voting for him so mccain wouldnt win.
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If he pulls a Bush then yes he will.
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It depends on who the other side puts up. If it's Rick Perry or some other ultra-religious idiot then yes, I will vote for Obama again.
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Old 10-14-2011, 05:34 AM   #6
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Without any good alternatives I can't see how not. Every single one of the republican candidates so far are completely unelectable.
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It depends on who the other side puts up. If it's Rick Perry or some other ultra-religious idiot then yes, I will vote for Obama again.
right with you.

id vote for him over ANY religious republican, ANY DAY.
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I didn't vote last time around, and I'm not voting next time either.

Will Obama get elected again? Dunno. I have no clue.

But I think this is a ten year problem, not an eight year problem. No one was going to be able to fix it in four years.
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The hard/religious right are backing Cain over Romney, because Romney is a mormon, a flip flopper, and a moderate. Cain can't beat Obama. Romney can't beat Obama either, for some of the same reasons.

A Perry resurgence is possible, or maybe a new candidate appears out of nowhere. But shy of something crazy happening (which is always possible) I think Mitch McConnell's dream of a one term Obama will be squashed.
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i think it will be tough to see him re-elected. he promised a lot of things, and i can't really see any that came true. if the rep party is smart they will put up someone conservative but not ultra religious
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If the election were in 5 weeks I would say we are stuck with this guy for 4 more years. However, it's not. The BS that goes on at this stage of the game is not unusual. The experts that I read are not seeing the economy improving over the next 12 months. The repubs will have selected their person and they will be going after Obama's record for real. Not just shooting barbs at each other.

Obama needs the independants to win. I don't see that happening.
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The Stimulus helped Solyndra secure a $535 million loan guarantee from the Department of Energy.

Plans like this that Obama is pushing did't work and Obama is pushing for more money that will be pissed away just as well, I just wish the GOP would get someone to get there shit together and stop the madness
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The Stimulus helped Solyndra secure a $535 million loan guarantee from the Department of Energy.

Plans like this that Obama is pushing did't work and Obama is pushing for more money that will be pissed away just as well, I just wish the GOP would get someone to get there shit together and stop the madness
The details of that Solyndra deal are still coming,but I can't even imagine how a company that size could possibly lose that much money in such a short time. We are not talking about a GM size company. Why a company that size even qualified or needed $535m is beyond comprehension.
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A ham sandwich would stomp any of the current Republican contenders.

Obama will get reelected, not because he deserves another four years but due to the lack of any realistic alternatives.
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I'd vote for Obama. He's smart and cares about what he's doing (I just wish he was tougher). Romney is a flip-flopper, Cain can't count, Perry is a religious nut job, Newt is a scumbag, and Bachman is batshit crazy (who is now sucking up to Trump of all people).
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The Stimulus helped Solyndra secure a $535 million loan guarantee from the Department of Energy.

Plans like this that Obama is pushing did't work and Obama is pushing for more money that will be pissed away just as well, I just wish the GOP would get someone to get there shit together and stop the madness
The Bush team tried to conditionally approve the Solyndra loan just before President Obama took office.
The company?s backers included private investors who had diverse political interests.
The loan comprises just 1.3% of DOE?s overall loan portfolio. To date, Solyndra is the only loan that?s known to be troubled.

http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/0...oan-guarantee/

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that all being said, this 'fast and the furious' thing is mighty fucked up
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Likely he will simply because the republicans have a weak field of candidates. However, if the economy is still in a downward spiral on election day he could be vulnerable to a guy like Romney. Romney likely won't have much support from the religious right nor the tea party, but if he hammers hard on the economy and has a realistic common sense way to improve the economy that he can sell the public he could gain with the independents.

That said, if election day comes and the economy is improving Obama will be pretty hard to beat.
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ahh this was an economic war with china

the US lost
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The Bush team tried to conditionally approve the Solyndra loan just before President Obama took office.
The company?s backers included private investors who had diverse political interests.
The loan comprises just 1.3% of DOE?s overall loan portfolio. To date, Solyndra is the only loan that?s known to be troubled.

http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/0...oan-guarantee/

OK, instead of bringing up the past presidents that did this, let me ask you guys, does that make it right it happened again and since it happened once with this president, do you think it won't happen again enough to vote for him again since he's pushing for more funds to apparently do this again?
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OK, instead of bringing up the past presidents that did this, let me ask you guys, does that make it right it happened again and since it happened once with this president, do you think it won't happen again enough to vote for him again since he's pushing for more funds to apparently do this again?
in a way, you brought up the past presidents by saying this was solely an Obama initiative that would provide 'kickbacks' or some nonsense

when the fact remains, the Waltons, direct investors, were the ones standing to make any money on the venture

furthermore, this entire situation was an fight for green-energy manufacturing and is involved with national security interests

unless you were rooting for china all along.
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Personally, I am supporting Herman Cain. He's a straight talker.
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in a way, you brought up the past presidents by saying this was solely an Obama initiative that would provide 'kickbacks' or some nonsense

when the fact remains, the Waltons, direct investors, were the ones standing to make any money on the venture

furthermore, this entire situation was an fight for green-energy manufacturing and is involved with national security interests

unless you were rooting for china all along.
Fuck China, they shouldn't be on the preferred trade status list and they shouldn't be allowed to trade with us till they stop their money maniplulation.

Green manufacturing, while noble is not going to put people to work like other industry manufacturing jobs will, please show me a Green Factory that Obama backed with the stimulus that had success? Because I've been hearing about are the ones that failed or fell short.

And remember , Obama wants more money to do the same
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I had hoped in part of me, that The Democrats got re-elected in the US and Labor got re-elected in the UK. Only fair they sort out the mess created when they were in power. The mess they both created by massive spending and borrowing.
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I'd vote for Obama. He's smart and cares about what he's doing (I just wish he was tougher). Romney is a flip-flopper, Cain can't count, Perry is a religious nut job, Newt is a scumbag, and Bachman is batshit crazy (who is now sucking up to Trump of all people).
make sure you do that when he runs in Canada
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Green manufacturing, while noble is not going to put people to work like other industry manufacturing jobs will, please show me a Green Factory that Obama backed with the stimulus that had success? Because I've been hearing about are the ones that failed or fell short.

And remember , Obama wants more money to do the same
a lot of very important people on more than one continent disagree with you

however, it's very curious to see who devalued solar energy in order to kill these US companies, yet not chinese or european

again, i have no idea why you're so stuck on this stimulus infrastructure spending, when there is far more juicer pieces floating around
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The Bush team tried to conditionally approve the Solyndra loan just before President Obama took office.
The company?s backers included private investors who had diverse political interests.
The loan comprises just 1.3% of DOE?s overall loan portfolio. To date, Solyndra is the only loan that?s known to be troubled.

http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/0...oan-guarantee/
please stop with facts !
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a lot of very important people on more than one continent disagree with you

however, it's very curious to see who devalued solar energy in order to kill these US companies, yet not chinese or european

again, i have no idea why you're so stuck on this stimulus infrastructure spending, when there is far more juicer pieces floating around
yep thats why china invested 30 billion in green energy and own solar which we created in america.
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yep thats why china invested 30 billion in green energy and own solar which we created in america.
to the point where one could say that anyone who speaks out against green energy is dirty communist

and everyone who backs the tea party is an iranian sympathizer

if koch is making money selling parts to Iran..
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OK, instead of bringing up the past presidents that did this, let me ask you guys, does that make it right it happened again and since it happened once with this president, do you think it won't happen again enough to vote for him again since he's pushing for more funds to apparently do this again?
did you ask yourself the same thing when you voted for Bush for the second time?
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Shap: "Solidarity is nice in theory but this industry has proven time and time again it can not stand together. The best advice I can give you is to do what is best for you with both your short term and long term goals in mind."
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Old 10-14-2011, 01:44 PM   #46
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Old 10-14-2011, 01:52 PM   #47
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The Bush team tried to conditionally approve the Solyndra loan just before President Obama took office.
The company?s backers included private investors who had diverse political interests.
The loan comprises just 1.3% of DOE?s overall loan portfolio. To date, Solyndra is the only loan that?s known to be troubled.

http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/0...oan-guarantee/
The White House noted to ABC News that the Bush administration was the first to consider Solyndra's application and that some executives at the company have a history of donating to Republicans.

The results of the Congressional probe shared Tuesday with ABC News show that less than two weeks before President Bush left office, on January 9, 2009, the Energy Department's credit committee had voted against offering a loan commitment to Solyndra.

Even after Obama took office on Jan. 20, 2009, analysts in the Energy Department and in the Office of Management and Budget were repeatedly questioning the wisdom of the loan. In one exchange, an Energy official wrote of "a major outstanding issue" -- namely, that Solyndra's numbers showed it would run out of cash in September 2011.

There was also concern about the high-risk nature of the project. Internally, the Office of Management and Budget wrote that "the risk rating for the project sponsor [Solyndra] ? seems high." Outside analysts had warned for months that the company might not be a sound investment.

Peter Lynch, a New York-based solar energy analyst, told ABC News it took only a cursory glance through Solyndra's prospectus to see there was a problem with their numbers.

"It's very difficult to perceive a company with a model that says, well, I can build something for six dollars and sell it for three dollars," Lynch said. "Those numbers don't generally work. You don't want to lose three dollars for every unit you make."
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Old 10-14-2011, 01:52 PM   #48
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did you ask yourself the same thing when you voted for Bush for the second time?
Will you when you vote for Barry?
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Old 10-14-2011, 02:02 PM   #49
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wow you guys sound so excited about voting for him, im sure he has a great chance to win then lol. I remember all of you crying and believing in this change bullshit back in '08, crying , fainting in the crowds. Fucking idiots.
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The White House noted to ABC News that the Bush administration was the first to consider Solyndra's application and that some executives at the company have a history of donating to Republicans.

The results of the Congressional probe shared Tuesday with ABC News show that less than two weeks before President Bush left office, on January 9, 2009, the Energy Department's credit committee had voted against offering a loan commitment to Solyndra.

Even after Obama took office on Jan. 20, 2009, analysts in the Energy Department and in the Office of Management and Budget were repeatedly questioning the wisdom of the loan. In one exchange, an Energy official wrote of "a major outstanding issue" -- namely, that Solyndra's numbers showed it would run out of cash in September 2011.

There was also concern about the high-risk nature of the project. Internally, the Office of Management and Budget wrote that "the risk rating for the project sponsor [Solyndra] ? seems high." Outside analysts had warned for months that the company might not be a sound investment.

Peter Lynch, a New York-based solar energy analyst, told ABC News it took only a cursory glance through Solyndra's prospectus to see there was a problem with their numbers.

"It's very difficult to perceive a company with a model that says, well, I can build something for six dollars and sell it for three dollars," Lynch said. "Those numbers don't generally work. You don't want to lose three dollars for every unit you make."
http://www.grist.org/solar-power/201...-for-two-years

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You have to read half the story to learn that the loan guarantee was made in 2009, and the audit was done in 2010, after market conditions had sharply worsened. And the Bloomberg story never explains that the company itself raised $250 million from private investors after the supposedly devastating audit.

To set the record straight, Climate Progress is publishing this timeline -- verified by Department of Energy officials -- that shows how the loan guarantee came together under both administrations. In fact, rather than rushing the loan for Solyndra through, the Obama administration restructured the original Bush-era deal to further protect the taxpayers' investment:
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