I'm watching the GOP Moronathon

[BFT3K]

If this is the best the right has, it's over.

Obama will eat these guys for lunch!

[crockett]

Don't forget it was the GOP that tried to get Palin elected. So they don't have a real high bar for standards..

I do agree though, it seems the GOP goes out of their way to find the biggest morons they can possibility find and putting them on center stage.

[spazlabz]

I have a feeling they will shake out someone who will appeal to the middle eventually and the left is absolutely incompetent at calling out the right on anything ever.

The progressives in the US really need to study Rove and how he perfected attack and spin. He is masterful at it and the cohesion the republicans have shown is nothing short of amazing. As long as the left continue to allow conserva-dems in the party and herd cats they will always be at risk of losing everything again.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by spazlabz

I have a feeling they will shake out someone who will appeal to the middle eventually and the left is absolutely incompetent at calling out the right on anything ever.

The progressives in the US really need to study Rove and how he perfected attack and spin. He is masterful at it and the cohesion the republicans have shown is nothing short of amazing. As long as the left continue to allow conserva-dems in the party and herd cats they will always be at risk of losing everything again.

There isn't any doubt that Rove was good at what he did, but he also represented everything that is wrong with the Republican party. If the Rep's ever want to win back "mainstream" America then they need to lose the Rove style antics.

[spazlabz]

Originally Posted by crockett

There isn't any doubt that Rove was good at what he did, but he also represented everything that is wrong with the Republican party. If the Rep's ever want to win back "mainstream" America then they need to lose the Rove style antics.

you could make that argument and I for one agree with the 'everything wrong' POV. But if you look at the extremism being spouted about by the republican party, their flat out stating that their priority is making Obama a one term President instead of doing whats right for the country.... if you keep in mind all the things they have gotten away with using his tactics and a unified voice you'll see that the mainstream hears what they say, believe it and someone from the right will have a legitimate shot at the highest office in the land.

The republican candidate will hit the general election campaign trail looking and talking like a moderate while an army of conservative activist do all the dirty work keeping the dems on the defensive. It is their strategy and it has been working. I hope you are right, that Americans see them for what they are (IMO greedy self centered ball suckers) and take away what power they have. but recent history has shown differently.


If anyone has a problem with how I describe republican politicians let me just say I do not hold the democrats in any higher regard but they are so weak it is hardly worth pointing it out

[Joshua G]

right now, a ham sandwich would beat obama.

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by joshgirls

right now, a ham sandwich would beat obama.

I don't think you really watched the debate. If you had, you would know that there were NO ham sandwiches on stage... just apples, and oranges - bushels of em!

[porno jew]

ron paul 3028.

[cykoe6]

While I agree that the GOP field is hardly overwhelming, it is certainly superior to the inexperienced, incompetent, community organizer that the Democrats have to offer. Obama can no longer run on nonsense like "hope and change"....... this time he will have to run on his disastrous record in office. Good luck with that. ;)

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

While I agree that the GOP field is hardly overwhelming, it is certainly superior to the inexperienced, incompetent, community organizer that the Democrats have to offer. Obama can no longer run on nonsense like "hope and change"....... this time he will have to run on his disastrous record in office. Good luck with that. ;)

Maybe he'll just run on a new slogan, like this one...

OBAMA 2012 - Vote For Me, I'm Not A Moron

[Barry-xlovecam]

Was it exciting?

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Maybe he'll just run on a new slogan, like this one...

OBAMA 2012 - Vote For Me, I'm Not A Moron

He could do that...... but everyone would know that it is a lie this time.

[DaddyHalbucks]

Everything Obama promised us was a lie.

So, even a principled moron looks pretty good right about now.

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Everything Obama promised us was a lie.

So, even a principled moron looks pretty good right about now.

Yeah, Obama is a great big phony...

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me.../promise-kept/

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by spazlabz

But if you look at the extremism being spouted about by the republican party, their flat out stating that their priority is making Obama a one term President instead of doing whats right for the country...

Getting Obama out of office is best for the country

Originally Posted by BFT3K

I don't think you really watched the debate. If you had, you would know that there were NO ham sandwiches on stage... just apples, and oranges - bushels of em!

And the guy in the office is a fruit salad

Originally Posted by cykoe6

Obama can no longer run on nonsense like "hope and change"....... this time he will have to run on his disastrous record in office. Good luck with that. ;)

His being in office inspired a huge political movement ( he should be proud of that) in the Tea Party

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Maybe he'll just run on a new slogan, like this one...

OBAMA 2012 - Vote For Me, I'm Not A Moron

Not without a telepromter

[Robbie]

I watched the debate. Thought it was great.

The only two people on that stage whom I thought shouldn't be there were Santorum (religious nutcase) and Bachman (religious nutcase)

Listening to the things the rest of the candidates had to say and the proposals they made...I found a lot to agree with. Especially the energy policies.

I'm in disagreement with the "fence" idea for Mexico. (sounds like our version of the "iron curtain" to me)

I'm also in disagreement with some of the candidates (like Santorum and Bachman) who just blindly want to fund the military. I find Ron Paul's views on the whole military spending issue to be sane.
Say what you want about the man...but he tells it like it is and doesn't care about applause lines.

Newt Gingrich is without a doubt the most intelligent politician on the Republican or Democratic side. The guy is just so damn smart. No wonder he and Clinton were able to work together back in the 90's...two VERY smart guys.

To BFT3K...dude, do you even care about issues? You seem to be so darn pro-democrat that it's kinda making you look bad.

Those guys onstage tonight made some very good points. Obama makes some good points as well in his speeches. Shouldn't you be listening to what these people are saying instead of just blindly following your political party? Isn't that what's wrong with our country?

I voted for Clinton, Bush, and Obama over the last 20 years. I voted for who I thought had the best ideas. Not for a political party or left or right idealogy.

Dude, I know you're a smart guy. And I know that politics and religion are two things you should never discuss...but come on! You keep starting threads touting how great everything Democrat is and how stupid and backwards everything Republican is.

Did you take a look at the crowd there? Did you see all the well dressed YOUNG people?

You can't just keep painting with these broad brushes on people dude. One minute Republicans are "stupid, hillbilly, racist, rednecks" and the next they are "rich billionaire tycoons with Ivy League education"
That's quite a stretch!

Both Dems and Repubs are just people. And if more people started looking at individual issues and voted what they BELIEVE in...I think our country would be better off.

Nothing is helped or solved by you making threads that turn this into a football game mentality. This is not a sports competition.
But in a way you're exemplifying it.

Just like when some guy sitting on a couch screams "WE WON!!!" when his team wins..he didn't win ANYTHING! He was just sitting there and the guys on his favorite team don't even know he exists and wouldn't piss on him if he were on fire.

Guess what? The people in "your" political party are the same. They wouldn't do anything for either one of us. They DON'T CARE about us.

So why keep the mentality at this level? It's not gonna help President Obama get re-elected.
I like the guy. But he has been very lame. And unless he gets off the campaign trail and figures out a way to bring unemployment down...he's done. No president has ever won re-election with unemployment at this level.

He made a major miscalculation in his first two years screwing around with the whole Health Care issue while the countries economy continued to sink and people need JOBS.

That's why him being on the campaign trail instead of working his ass off back in Washington looks SO bad to so many people.
He is making a major miscalculation spending the last two years campaigning after the already bad first two years...

He needs to pull out a miracle. And I don't see that miracle happening from him giving speeches around the country. Time for talk is over for him.

[crockett]

The problem with all of these GOP candidates is none of them are electable. Most of them have tried to be elected president many times in the past and they weren't electable then nor are they electable today.

Added to this the one's the haven't tried in the past are pretty much religious whack jobs from the left over religious right that hasn't jumped that bandwagon for the tea party hey ride.

The Herman Cain guy is just a nut case and Ron Paul. I mean really? Again? Same with McCain.. where do these guys keep getting campaign money?

While maybe Newt Gingrich has come a long way, he still has that past of his extreme right wing radio days and will never appeal to the middle ground. He would easily be defeated in this era of 10 second sound bite advertising.

I just honestly can not get my head around what the GOP thinks when they try to put these types up as "their best" chances of getting elected.

Out of any of them Mitt Romney at the very least created a working health care system in Mass when he was Gov. As far as I know the only one in the US, but that will never fly with the right wingers cause that's all socialist and stuff.. Damn liberal he is and they don't even know..

[Jakez]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Everything Obama promised us was a lie.

So, even a principled moron looks pretty good right about now.

Jesus Christ, everything everyone promised was always a lie, every single election that comes up "someone else looks good right about now". It's never going to change. Might as well give the guy another 4 years so we can see what his long term goal really was instead of putting some new fuckjob in office and being clueless yet another 4 years.

And what really is the problem with Ron Paul besides that fact that he'll never be elected? Everyone always wants to bitch about not following through on their promises, well Ron Paul will definitely at least stick to his shit and not dick around.

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I watched the debate. Thought it was great.

The only two people on that stage whom I thought shouldn't be there were Santorum (religious nutcase) and Bachman (religious nutcase)

Listening to the things the rest of the candidates had to say and the proposals they made...I found a lot to agree with. Especially the energy policies.

I'm in disagreement with the "fence" idea for Mexico. (sounds like our version of the "iron curtain" to me)

I'm also in disagreement with some of the candidates (like Santorum and Bachman) who just blindly want to fund the military. I find Ron Paul's views on the whole military spending issue to be sane.
Say what you want about the man...but he tells it like it is and doesn't care about applause lines.

Newt Gingrich is without a doubt the most intelligent politician on the Republican or Democratic side. The guy is just so damn smart. No wonder he and Clinton were able to work together back in the 90's...two VERY smart guys.

To BFT3K...dude, do you even care about issues? You seem to be so darn pro-democrat that it's kinda making you look bad.

Those guys onstage tonight made some very good points. Obama makes some good points as well in his speeches. Shouldn't you be listening to what these people are saying instead of just blindly following your political party? Isn't that what's wrong with our country?

I voted for Clinton, Bush, and Obama over the last 20 years. I voted for who I thought had the best ideas. Not for a political party or left or right idealogy.

Dude, I know you're a smart guy. And I know that politics and religion are two things you should never discuss...but come on! You keep starting threads touting how great everything Democrat is and how stupid and backwards everything Republican is.

Did you take a look at the crowd there? Did you see all the well dressed YOUNG people?

You can't just keep painting with these broad brushes on people dude. One minute Republicans are "stupid, hillbilly, racist, rednecks" and the next they are "rich billionaire tycoons with Ivy League education"
That's quite a stretch!

Both Dems and Repubs are just people. And if more people started looking at individual issues and voted what they BELIEVE in...I think our country would be better off.

Nothing is helped or solved by you making threads that turn this into a football game mentality. This is not a sports competition.
But in a way you're exemplifying it.

Just like when some guy sitting on a couch screams "WE WON!!!" when his team wins..he didn't win ANYTHING! He was just sitting there and the guys on his favorite team don't even know he exists and wouldn't piss on him if he were on fire.

Guess what? The people in "your" political party are the same. They wouldn't do anything for either one of us. They DON'T CARE about us.

So why keep the mentality at this level? It's not gonna help President Obama get re-elected.
I like the guy. But he has been very lame. And unless he gets off the campaign trail and figures out a way to bring unemployment down...he's done. No president has ever won re-election with unemployment at this level.

He made a major miscalculation in his first two years screwing around with the whole Health Care issue while the countries economy continued to sink and people need JOBS.

That's why him being on the campaign trail instead of working his ass off back in Washington looks SO bad to so many people.
He is making a major miscalculation spending the last two years campaigning after the already bad first two years...

He needs to pull out a miracle. And I don't see that miracle happening from him giving speeches around the country. Time for talk is over for him.

What is the GOP job plan?

How will removing the Wall Street regulations that are barely even in place now, strengthen our future economic security?

What will the Obama healthcare plan get replaced with?

I heard no answers to any of the above questions. Just end everything Obama has done, just because it was Obama, a Democrat.

There ARE 2 sides, and the right offers no solutions whatsoever. They filibustered Obama more times in his first 2 years than has ever occurred in US history, and then they claim Obama has gotten everything he wanted, and the country is worse for it.

I won't vote for a party with NO new ideas. I won't reward a party for spitefully destroying our credit rating, just to try to make Obama look bad.

I won't vote for a continuation of the Bush administration's idiotic policies that got us to where we are now.

If a Common Sense American People's Party magically appears, I'm onboard. Until then, we have Obama, trying to do the right thing, and an opposing party with just one objective - FUCK AMERICA, so long as we vote out Obama.

Sorry, that's just not good enough.

[CynBabes]

Originally Posted by Robbie

No president has ever won re-election with unemployment at this level. .

Except FDR =P and Reagan was only about 2% better when he won re-election.

[The Demon]

I won't vote for a continuation of the Bush administration's idiotic policies that got us to where we are now.

Weird, because that's exactly what Bush lite is doing, and his idiotic policies are a reason why our country went from bad to worse. Good rationalization though.

If a Common Sense American People's Party magically appears, I'm onboard. Until then, we have Obama, trying to do the right thing, and an opposing party with just one objective - FUCK AMERICA, so long as we vote out Obama.

And you have the balls to call others sheep and idiots while at the same time pretending to be objective and claiming Obama is trying to do the right thing? Truly, I think you made everyone's night here.

[TheSenator]

I just finish eating my Tofu and doing some Yoga.

What is dis occupy stuff going on?

Who do I donate money too?

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by The Demon

Weird, because that's exactly what Bush lite is doing, and his idiotic policies are a reason why our country went from bad to worse. Good rationalization though.

And you have the balls to call others sheep and idiots while at the same time pretending to be objective and claiming Obama is trying to do the right thing? Truly, I think you made everyone's night here.

Are you connected to feeding tubes?

I ask, because someone as stupid as you couldn't possibly exist without assistance.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Are you connected to feeding tubes?

I ask, because someone as stupid as you couldn't possibly exist without assistance.

Perfect. BFT3K's typical response to back out of a debate he can't win. So he'll rebut with some insult and hope nobody notices his incessant stupidity.

[FlexxAeon]

I'm just scared that every time i watch one of these debates, newt gingrich is one of the few making sense to me

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by The Demon

Perfect. BFT3K's typical response to back out of a debate he can't win. So he'll rebut with some insult and hope nobody notices his incessant stupidity.

There is no such thing as "debate" with you.

You ARE a human mosquito, that I would just love to swat!

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

You ARE a human mosquito.

How does it feel being intellectually inferior to a human mosquito? Or did I confuse you with multiple 2-3 syllable words?

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by The Demon

How does it feel being intellectually inferior to a human mosquito? Or did I confuse you with multiple 2-3 syllable words?

Okay asswipe douche bag, how about YOU answer these questions that were not covered in tonight's debate. I await your scary-intelligent response...

What is the GOP job plan?

How will removing the Wall Street regulations that are barely even in place now, strengthen our future economic security?

What will the Obama healthcare plan get replaced with?

Can you explain Cain's 9-9-9 plan thoroughly?

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Okay asswipe douche bag, how about YOU answer these questions that were not covered in tonight's debate. I await your scary-intelligent response...

I can see that I'm not exactly dealing with an intellectual juggernaut here so I'm going to be brief here, hoping you'll understand simple text.

What is the GOP job plan?

Seeing as how I'm not supporting the GOP, I don't know. Let's counter that question with another question. What is Obama's job plan?

How will removing the Wall Street regulations that are barely even in place now, strengthen our future economic security?

Let's counter this question with another question. How will more regulations strengthen our future economic stability? How will the increase in government strengthen our economy security? What we do know is, historically, it's the private sector that boosts the economy, always. NOT the public sector, and not the government, which starts and prolongs recessions.

What will the Obama healthcare plan get replaced with?

The better question is, is Obama's healthcare plan better than what we currently have? Is it economically feasible? See, your incompetence becomes transparent in every post and what you've done here is attempt to put the right on the defensive, all the while ignoring the fact that the left have either no plans, or idiotic plans that would make someone clinically retarded raise an eyebrow. Good misdirection though.

Can you explain Cain's 9-9-9 plan thoroughly?

I understand the basic idea of it through watching the video but I never said I supported it. We know that you don't understand it so it's nice that you try to put the onus on me. Your credibility wouldn't be shot to shit either if you responded within 3 minutes, to tell us that the 14 minute video is dog shit. Ball's in your court chief.

[raymor]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I watched the debate. Thought it was great.

The only two people on that stage whom I thought shouldn't be there were Santorum (religious nutcase) and Bachman (religious nutcase)

Listening to the things the rest of the candidates had to say and the proposals they made...I found a lot to agree with. Especially the energy policies.

I'm in disagreement with the "fence" idea for Mexico. (sounds like our version of the "iron curtain" to me)

I'm also in disagreement with some of the candidates (like Santorum and Bachman) who just blindly want to fund the military. I find Ron Paul's views on the whole military spending issue to be sane.
Say what you want about the man...but he tells it like it is and doesn't care about applause lines.

Newt Gingrich is without a doubt the most intelligent politician on the Republican or Democratic side. The guy is just so damn smart. No wonder he and Clinton were able to work together back in the 90's...two VERY smart guys.

To BFT3K...dude, do you even care about issues? You seem to be so darn pro-democrat that it's kinda making you look bad.

Those guys onstage tonight made some very good points. Obama makes some good points as well in his speeches. Shouldn't you be listening to what these people are saying instead of just blindly following your political party? Isn't that what's wrong with our country?

I voted for Clinton, Bush, and Obama over the last 20 years. I voted for who I thought had the best ideas. Not for a political party or left or right idealogy.

Dude, I know you're a smart guy. And I know that politics and religion are two things you should never discuss...but come on! You keep starting threads touting how great everything Democrat is and how stupid and backwards everything Republican is.

Did you take a look at the crowd there? Did you see all the well dressed YOUNG people?

You can't just keep painting with these broad brushes on people dude. One minute Republicans are "stupid, hillbilly, racist, rednecks" and the next they are "rich billionaire tycoons with Ivy League education"
That's quite a stretch!

Both Dems and Repubs are just people. And if more people started looking at individual issues and voted what they BELIEVE in...I think our country would be better off.

Nothing is helped or solved by you making threads that turn this into a football game mentality. This is not a sports competition.
But in a way you're exemplifying it.

Just like when some guy sitting on a couch screams "WE WON!!!" when his team wins..he didn't win ANYTHING! He was just sitting there and the guys on his favorite team don't even know he exists and wouldn't piss on him if he were on fire.

Guess what? The people in "your" political party are the same. They wouldn't do anything for either one of us. They DON'T CARE about us.

So why keep the mentality at this level? It's not gonna help President Obama get re-elected.
I like the guy. But he has been very lame. And unless he gets off the campaign trail and figures out a way to bring unemployment down...he's done. No president has ever won re-election with unemployment at this level.

He made a major miscalculation in his first two years screwing around with the whole Health Care issue while the countries economy continued to sink and people need JOBS.

That's why him being on the campaign trail instead of working his ass off back in Washington looks SO bad to so many people.
He is making a major miscalculation spending the last two years campaigning after the already bad first two years...

He needs to pull out a miracle. And I don't see that miracle happening from him giving speeches around the country. Time for talk is over for him.

I was going to QFT a couple of the excellent points you made, but I realized it was pretty much ALL worthy of QFT.

The whole "we won" analogy you made is great. The strange thing is, even a diehard sports fan will acknowledge a bad draft pick after a player sucks for two or three years. In politics it seems to be harder to admit your favorite team drafted the wrong guy. This year, my favorite team is looking at four bad picks, one so-so pick, and a guy polling in single digits. They'll almost surely make another bad draft in the primaries.

Anyone who can't acknowledge that GW Bush and Obama were both bad choices needs to step back from the fanboy perspective and look at the facts. No matter how you voted, if you're honest with yourself you have to see neither was a very good president.

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by The Demon

I can see that I'm not exactly dealing with an intellectual juggernaut here so I'm going to be brief here, hoping you'll understand simple text.

Seeing as how I'm not supporting the GOP, I don't know. Let's counter that question with another question. What is Obama's job plan?


Let's counter this question with another question. How will more regulations strengthen our future economic stability? How will the increase in government strengthen our economy security? What we do know is, historically, it's the private sector that boosts the economy, always. NOT the public sector, and not the government, which starts and prolongs recessions.


The better question is, is Obama's healthcare plan better than what we currently have? Is it economically feasible? See, your incompetence becomes transparent in every post and what you've done here is attempt to put the right on the defensive, all the while ignoring the fact that the left have either no plans, or idiotic plans that would make someone clinically retarded raise an eyebrow. Good misdirection though.


I understand the basic idea of it through watching the video but I never said I supported it. We know that you don't understand it so it's nice that you try to put the onus on me. Your credibility wouldn't be shot to shit either if you responded within 3 minutes, to tell us that the 14 minute video is dog shit. Ball's in your court chief.

See, you are a fucking tool! You prove it time and time again.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by FlexxAeon

I'm just scared that every time i watch one of these debates, newt gingrich is one of the few making sense to me

Yes, I know and it is scary considering he was pretty much an extremist back in his Radio days. I guess that means he toned down or the right has gone so far to the extreme that newt seems sense able now.

scary thoughts either way..

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

See, you are a fucking tool! You prove it time and time again.

Perfect, the gfy resident troll and buffoon proves my point more easily each time around. Great response within 1 minute. Are you going to continue entertaining us with your stupidity and trolling or are you going to call the self pwnage quits for the night?

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by The Demon

Perfect, the gfy resident troll and buffoon proves my point more easily each time around. Great response within 1 minute. Are you going to continue entertaining us with your stupidity and trolling or are you going to call the self pwnage quits for the night?

You bring nothing to the table, as usual.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

You bring nothing to the table, as usual.

Except kicking your ass, making you look stupid as usual, and proving once again that nobody takes you seriously in your own business. Done, done, and done.

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by The Demon

Except kicking your ass, making you look stupid as usual, and proving once again that nobody takes you seriously in your own business. Done, done, and done.

Congrats on getting all that out before your mom reminds you it's beddy-bye time in the basement.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Congrats on getting all that out before your mom reminds you it's beddy-bye time in the basement.

If that were true, how bad does it suck that my taxes are the reason you get your checks at the first of the month?

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

What is the GOP job plan?

How will removing the Wall Street regulations that are barely even in place now, strengthen our future economic security?

What will the Obama healthcare plan get replaced with?

I heard no answers to any of the above questions. Just end everything Obama has done, just because it was Obama, a Democrat.
.

Then in my opinion you did not watch the debate or listen to what they said.

Romney, Cain, and Perry had VERY specific answers to everything you just said. And none of their ideas are anywhere close to what George Bush ever said or did.

You see? This is what I'm talking about.

You are posting and full of venom and piss & vinegar because your "team" is in trouble.

I like the way Bill Maher puts it: "He's your president...NOT your girlfriend"

Dude...you named the thread a "moronothan" Basically calling a stage full of people who are more highly educated than any of us in this thread. Are more world traveled than any of us in this thread. And are more in the know about the govt. than any of us in this thread.

That means you came at it with your mind already made up.
The Republicans are all stupid and that's the end of the story. YAY TEAM! Obama is gonna throw a touchdown! YAY!

You see? That isn't reality bro.

Obama isn't a quarterback. And history says that unless Obama turns around the jobless rate RIGHT NOW he is going to be replaced....probably by Mitt Romney.

But let me answer your questions from what I saw onstage tonight since you didn't really hear them:

"What is the GOP job plan?"
There is no "GOP Job plan", just like there is no "Democratic Job Plan". There is an Obama Job Plan (finally after 3 years). And there were already several Republican job plans over the last 2 years (Sen. Harry Reid shot every one down without even allowing a vote).
As for the guys onstage tonight's plan? They suggested that we have 300 years of energy right under our feet. And if the oil companies can go for it, it would produce 1.2 million HIGH PAYING jobs right here in the United States. Common sense also tells me that would lower the price of oil...which would bring down the costs of EVERYTHING (because transporting goods wouldn't be so expensive. And it would have the added advantage of allowing us to tell the Middle Eastern Sheiks to kiss our ass.

Now I don't need you to go off on a rant and try to say that's all bullshit. You could do the same thing with Obama's job plan.
To me, that "job plan" bears a good look at. If it can be done...it would solve many problems at once.

As for "Wall Street Regulations"...I heard the candidates pretty much say that we need to identify what needs to be done and do it. And the things that aren't needed and are KILLING the economy and job growth should be eliminated. Again...isn't that worth discussion?

The "replacement" for Obama Care?
What I heard onstage tonight mirrors my own thoughts. We don't need more insurance. We need the price of medical care in the U.S. to COME DOWN. Tort reform is a good start.
Again...whether you agree with that or not, isn't it at least worth some civil discourse and not knee-jerk name calling?

The Candidates have plenty of ideas. And you're right...they do NOT like what Obama has or hasn't done. As Romney said...Obama has had 3 years to get some results. He hasn't. And now it's gonna be one of their turns to try. And if they don't cut the mustard...maybe Hillary could run in 2016.

Quite frankly....I'm thinking we might be better off today if she had beaten Obama for the Democratic nomination and went on to be President.

[Joshua G]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Okay asswipe douche bag, how about YOU answer these questions that were not covered in tonight's debate. I await your scary-intelligent response...

What is the GOP job plan?

How will removing the Wall Street regulations that are barely even in place now, strengthen our future economic security?

What will the Obama healthcare plan get replaced with?

Can you explain Cain's 9-9-9 plan thoroughly?

ill give this a try for shits & grins.

GOP job plan. They think the private sector creates jobs, not government spending. They want to balance the budget, continue tax cuts for entrepreneurs, & drill baby drill. Romney, for his part, is the only repub only calling for a trade war with china. although i doubt he'll keep his word on that.

removing wall street regs is not the best idea. neither repubs or the dems propose the correct answer, which is to restore glass/seagall. Wall street never produced entities that were too big to fail when certain risk industries were walled apart. Sadly, dems fight for more buraecracies & cops instead of eliminating "too big to fail" & no party has a solution to the mortgage debacle.

the obama health plan will be replaced with the status quo. Repubs have the Ryan plan for medicare. But that has no more chance of passing then the public option. You really are delusional thinking you will get government health care & pay nothing for it come 2014. There is a reason the bad news in obamacare was passed to 2014.

999 - why even put a minute into thinking about it. Its ultra regressive, has no chance of passing, & the guy proposing it is clownshoes.

BFT your party sucks balls. just wants to spend public money to solve every problem. Jobs problem? tax & spend. Health care problem? tax & spend. The repubs have become militant about the deficit. They will win over the independent voters who vote on this issue. Obama has no credibility on the deficit.

[Tempest]

The debate was fun to watch but in the end, just meaningless... All their "ideas" are meaningless... All I hear from the Republican candidates is how they'll let business do it's thing and then hope and pray jobs will get created and the economy will grow. Never anything about how the economy of the US will be changed so that good paying jobs will make a come back.

At the end of the day each party ends up doing much the same as the other. One party attempts to do things for the "little people", the other for big business. Both spend bucket loads of money and ignore any reasonably sound fiscal policy, they just spend it on different things. One party wants to remove regulations etc so that businesses can rape the land and contaminate the water supplies. The other party regulates so much that nothing can get done. Neither party has the balls to tell people that low skilled good paying manufacturing jobs are ever coming back and thus their american dream is over.

What I just don't understand is how anyone that is truly pissed off over 2008 would ever vote republican. Republicans are pro big business.. It's their policies that allowed 2008 to happen... The US really needs a 3rd party badly.

[The Demon]

There we go. More ownage from 2 well informed people should shut this retarded child up. Good read last two posts.

[Robbie]

What do you guys think about the idea of America going for it's own natural resources? Were those guys correct saying that the U.S. has 300 years of energy with oil and coal that the govt. is keeping us from being able to get?

And if so...could it be done without another Gulf Of Mexico type debacle? And since it's a global ecology and climate...does it really matter if human beings are drilling here or drilling in Saudi Arabia? Wouldn't we be better off with cheap fuel, 1.2 million high paying new oil jobs, and no more making countries that hate us get rich?

That's kind of the idea that really intrigued me.
I agree with the Republican candidates that if the economy fires back up...all these problems kinda go away. And what better to make the economy roar than that energy/job proposal (if it is true)?

I'm just curious if I'm the only one here who really thinks that could be a solution.
Again, I'm concerned about the environment too. But as I said earlier...we're all on the same planet, so doesn't it do just as much damage to our world for oil to spill in Iraq as it does to spill in the U.S.? And if that's true...then I'd rather have our country strong and prosperous instead of oil sheiks getting richer at our expense.

[Joshua G]

& further.

you have this blind hatred of republicans. You see no possibility one of them beats obama. But obamas base hates obama. the black caucus hates obama. civil libertarians hate obama. There is none of the anger-at-bush that filled his sails. Now that anger is blowing at obama. You think independents are going to visit the polls to vote for obama again simply out of fear of republicans? They will stay home if they dont like romney. I know you are afraid of romney. he's slick like clinton, will say anything to get elected. You know the mad vote will take the bait.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by CynBabes

Except FDR =P and Reagan was only about 2% better when he won re-election.

FDR: "Unemployment fell dramatically in Roosevelt's first term, from 25% when he took office to 14.3% in 1937"

If Obama had actually gotten unemployment to drop that dramatically...he would be a national hero.

Reagan: "The unemployment rate declined from 7.0 percent in 1980 to 5.4 percent in 1988. The inflation rate declined from 10.4 percent in 1980 to 4.2 percent in 1988"

Again...a president that brought it dramatically DOWN.

Your statement was a false insinuation. Obama is in trouble unless he does something to turn the country around. I don't think campaigning and raising 70 million in campaign donations while the country goes to hell is gonna sit too well with middle America.

[FlexxAeon]

Originally Posted by Robbie

What do you guys think about the idea of America going for it's own natural resources? Were those guys correct saying that the U.S. has 300 years of energy with oil and coal that the govt. is keeping us from being able to get?

And if so...could it be done without another Gulf Of Mexico type debacle? And since it's a global ecology and climate...does it really matter if human beings are drilling here or drilling in Saudi Arabia? Wouldn't we be better off with cheap fuel, 1.2 million high paying new oil jobs, and no more making countries that hate us get rich?

That's kind of the idea that really intrigued me.
I agree with the Republican candidates that if the economy fires back up...all these problems kinda go away. And what better to make the economy roar than that energy/job proposal (if it is true)?

I'm just curious if I'm the only one here who really thinks that could be a solution.
Again, I'm concerned about the environment too. But as I said earlier...we're all on the same planet, so doesn't it do just as much damage to our world for oil to spill in Iraq as it does to spill in the U.S.? And if that's true...then I'd rather have our country strong and prosperous instead of oil sheiks getting richer at our expense.

it sounds good on the surface but the potential problem is.....well the true problem is the same thing that's wrong with pretty much everything in this country and that's greed.

i'm no tree hugger, but i'm afraid that once you let go of the reigns on "Drill Baby Drill" you'll have the same type of lobbying, loophole exploitation, raping, & pillaging that goes down in all the other sectors that have gone bust. yeah it's fucking up the planet, but if we're gonna fuck up our own soil, will it really be to the benefit of the average joe?

producing & using our own resources is fine by me, but i just don't trust government to do it the right way. and (here's where the fight starts lol) if the repubs are in charge of such dealings, i believe that they'll REALLY open up the floodgates of fuckdom for their fat cat friends as they've done in the past they say it's about jobs but it's more likely about $$$.... and those jobs will be going to illegal aliens for cents on the dollar before you know it......... in my opinion of course

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by FlexxAeon

just don't trust government to do it the right way. and (here's where the fight starts lol) if the repubs are in charge of such dealings, i believe that they'll REALLY open up the floodgates of fuckdom for their fat cat friends as they've done in the past they say it's about jobs but it's more likely about $$$.... and those jobs will be going to illegal aliens for cents on the dollar before you know it

I don't trust govt. to do anything right. lol

But you really think that "illegal aliens" would take those oil jobs? That hasn't happened down in the Gulf (where it would be a lot easier for Mexicans to do it) so why do you think it would happen in the mainland of the U.S.?

I'm no oil rigger...but as I understand it, it's a high paying job with a ton of benefits. Would turn all the people protesting into hard working, highly paid contributors to society...instead of angry and pissed. And it could turn the entire economy around with all those new high paying jobs giving 1.2 million people a lot more buying power.

At least that's what I'm thinking.

It's got to be better than throwing money at companies like Solyndra in a desperate attempt to force solar energy to take off.

And speaking of solar energy...I still say that I personally have THE plan to kickstart that: Instead of handing money to companies like Solyndra, how about HIRING them to cover the desert here in Nevada with solar panels and wind turbines. Energy problems SOLVED.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by Robbie

What do you guys think about the idea of America going for it's own natural resources? Were those guys correct saying that the U.S. has 300 years of energy with oil and coal that the govt. is keeping us from being able to get?

Yeah, there's lots of energy in the US... But why bother with it at this time?

The US imports more oil from Canada than any other country and there's lots more here to come... Especially once the pipeline gets built.. Course, they better hurry up because we're planning on building a pipeline to the coast so we can ship it off to China as well.

The Oil companies maximize their profits right now by leaving toxic landscapes in third world countries that have no regulations and dirt cheap labour.

The propaganda machine that's been ramping up over the last couple years for clean coal and overly burdensome government regulations isn't quite to the point where the masses completely believe oil is in truly short supply and so are willing to let the companies rape the land..

Getting at the energy in the US would probably be a bit more expensive than getting it elsewhere at this point due to having to actually run a clean ship and hire more expensive labor.

National Security would dictate that you suck all the oil out of all other countries first so that you're left with your own supply in the future... Plus you get to sell it at a premium at that point.

And of course they're all making billions of dollars by keeping it in limited supply so why fuck with that.

Energy independence is a great campaign tactic because everyone wants that. But none of them will actually get it done.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Reagan: "The unemployment rate declined from 7.0 percent in 1980 to 5.4 percent in 1988. The inflation rate declined from 10.4 percent in 1980 to 4.2 percent in 1988"

You have to look at the entirety of what Reagan did because at the end of the day, it was not a balanced, sound policy that benefited everyone. And of course it ended in a recession due to the growth of the deficit... Reaganomics was great for the GDP and big business, but it wasn't good for the country in the long run.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaganomics

A more balanced approach is needed that takes out the high highs and low lows. Something that Germany seems to have gotten a handle on although they're not perfect either.

[FlexxAeon]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I don't trust govt. to do anything right. lol

But you really think that "illegal aliens" would take those oil jobs? That hasn't happened down in the Gulf (where it would be a lot easier for Mexicans to do it) so why do you think it would happen in the mainland of the U.S.?

I'm no oil rigger...but as I understand it, it's a high paying job with a ton of benefits. Would turn all the people protesting into hard working, highly paid contributors to society...instead of angry and pissed. And it could turn the entire economy around with all those new high paying jobs giving 1.2 million people a lot more buying power.

At least that's what I'm thinking.

It's got to be better than throwing money at companies like Solyndra in a desperate attempt to force solar energy to take off.

And speaking of solar energy...I still say that I personally have THE plan to kickstart that: Instead of handing money to companies like Solyndra, how about HIRING them to cover the desert here in Nevada with solar panels and wind turbines. Energy problems SOLVED.

not necessarily the rigging jobs, but the surrounding jobs. example, if i needed a job, and then the domestic oil sector was opened up, i'm no rigger... but perhaps i could get a job driving a truck (with some training), or washing said trucks, or moving the boxes of soap to wash those trucks....etc. the trickle down jobs that require less responsibility and liability. the supposed "jobs americans won't do."

edit: i just realized both our avatars are "jamming" lol

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Everything Obama promised us was a lie.

So, even a principled moron looks pretty good right about now.

name 1 politician who wasn't full of shit.
It doesnt matter who the fuck is president.