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Old 10-26-2011, 09:10 PM   #51
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Phillip Morris and RJ Reynolds probably wanted an adspot for their generous campaign donations.
Funny you should mention that as Herman Cain was once a lobbyist for big tobacco:


http://thinkprogress.org/health/2011...acco-lobbyist/
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As a lobbyist for the NRA, Cain represented a trade association for McDonalds, Burger King, and other fast food establishments. But a little known history, uncovered by ThinkProgress using the University of California, San Francisco archives, shows that Cain also lobbied on behalf of tobacco industry giants like R.J. Reynolds and Phillip Morris.
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Old 10-26-2011, 09:12 PM   #52
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Why do idiots only bring up pizza when talking about Cain's past?

He was the head of one of the private Federal Reserve banks.

He's a total shill for the banking establishment.

This is what needs to be brought up about Cain, not stupid ass fucking pizza.


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Old 10-26-2011, 09:24 PM   #53
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Lol! Give it up. Even republicans hate republicans now. There's no way Cain or any of these other bozos will win. Their best chance was Ron Paul as he's the smartest of the bunch. Now the hopefuls just look like fools all trying to out-clown the other. Perry? Bringing up the Birth Certificate yet again? What a fucking joke.
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Bringing up the Birth Certificate yet again? What a fucking joke.
The birth certificate is the damn dumbest thing politically that anybody could do. Look at Trump. I liked him. Listened to his ideas and thought: "Hey, here's a guy that won't take any shit and doesn't have to kiss anybodies ass"

And then he DESTROYED his own chances with that stupid birth certificate stuff.

Any candidate that starts that up again is committing political suicide.

It's a non-issue. If they run on the economy and Obama's record, they can win. If they start any of that nonsense about a birth certificate...or babbling about "God"...they won't make it.

Nobody cares about birth certificates or God...people want JOBS.
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Old 10-26-2011, 09:47 PM   #55
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By the way, that video posted above was Herman Cain on 12/29/2010. Here are some things which a PARTIAL audit of the Fed revealed later in 2011:

http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/n...3-62060dcbb3c3
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"As a result of this audit, we now know that the Federal Reserve provided more than $16 trillion in total financial assistance to some of the largest financial institutions and corporations in the United States and throughout the world," said Sanders. "This is a clear case of socialism for the rich and rugged, you're-on-your-own individualism for everyone else."
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Among the investigation's key findings is that the Fed unilaterally provided trillions of dollars in financial assistance to foreign banks and corporations from South Korea to Scotland, according to the GAO report.
More than $16 trillion dollars, and Cain didn't think an audit was necessary.
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Old 10-26-2011, 09:55 PM   #56
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By the way, that video posted above was Herman Cain on 12/29/2010. Here are some things which a PARTIAL audit of the Fed revealed later in 2011:

http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/n...3-62060dcbb3c3



More than $16 trillion dollars, and Cain didn't think an audit was necessary.
This is why people are pissed. This is why OWS formed.

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$16 trillion in secret loans to bail out American and foreign banks and businesses during the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.

These are the same banks and businesses that tanked the fucking economy with reckless policies. Meanwhile, this is being blamed on teachers and unions. What a fucking joke.
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Old 10-26-2011, 10:11 PM   #57
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This is why people are pissed. This is why OWS formed.




These are the same banks and businesses that tanked the fucking economy with reckless policies. Meanwhile, this is being blamed on teachers and unions. What a fucking joke.
Except most "occupiers" are blaming Wall Street and "rich people" while the root of the problem is central banking.

From 1836 to 1913 our country had NO central bank (thanks mostly to Andrew Jackson) and the economy flourished for the most part.

1913 not only brought back the central bank, but it added the income tax along with it, something our country also did not have before 1913 and the government was still able to operate (contrary to people who believe there is no alternative to the income tax).
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Old 10-26-2011, 10:32 PM   #58
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Except most "occupiers" are blaming Wall Street and "rich people" while the root of the problem is central banking.

From 1836 to 1913 our country had NO central bank (thanks mostly to Andrew Jackson) and the economy flourished for the most part.

1913 not only brought back the central bank, but it added the income tax along with it, something our country also did not have before 1913 and the government was still able to operate (contrary to people who believe there is no alternative to the income tax).
Nobody is blaming "rich people" in general, at least nobody with half a brain. The reason they're at wallstreet is because that's where these financial institutions are headquartered. Where exactly is AIG located? The insurance company that created credit default swaps, made billions in profit off of them and then went bankrupt when they had to pay out?


And if we had allowed these banks to fail who would take over the American banking sector? The federal government is keeping them on life support because if they didn't the shit would really hit the fan. We owe China over 1 1/2 TRILLION dollars, our number one export is debt, who do you think is going to take over our banking system if we let it fail?
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Nobody is blaming "rich people" in general, at least nobody with half a brain. The reason they're at wallstreet is because that's where these financial institutions are headquartered. Where exactly is AIG located? The insurance company that created credit default swaps, made billions in profit off of them and then went bankrupt when they had to pay out?


And if we had allowed these banks to fail who would take over the American banking sector? The federal government is keeping them on life support because if they didn't the shit would really hit the fan. We owe China over 1 1/2 TRILLION dollars, our number one export is debt, who do you think is going to take over our banking system if we let it fail?
Are you actually defending the bailout? lol

You're right in saying that if they didn't bail them out that shit would have hit the fan, but the sad part is all they did was DELAY THE INEVITABLE. The shit will STILL hit the fan because the ROOT OF THE PROBLEM has not been dealt with. You can change wall street companies and tax codes and whatever else you want but it won't do a damn thing until the Federal Reserve is dismantled. They are the ones who create our currency in the first place. There is nothing "Federal" about it, it's a privately owned corporation out for their own profit who lends our government money with interest. Why do you think the income tax was created the same year as the Federal Reserve? Because your hard earned money goes to pay for the INTEREST on our own currency! If people actually understood this they would be outraged, but instead they're all confused and don't know who the hell to blame.

People want to talk about paying off our debt a little here and a little there, but you can't even begin to deal with the debt problem until we reform the banking system from the bottom up.

A generation ago a loaf of bread cost somewhere around $0.25. What does it cost today? That isn't Wall Street's fault, it's the Federal Reserve's fault. They create inflation and the bubbles to begin with!
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Okay, okay...I've got an idea.

Let's go out and protest!

But instead of going out during business hours and letting our voices be heard on the streets marching...let's build a tent city in the park and start setting up it's own little "govt." and feeding stations and security, etc. so a few of us can finally be in positions of authority that we find we are not in "real life".

And let's sleep there, and eat there, and LIVE there!

That will teach those evil banks! We've got 'em now! They never saw this one coming did they?

They THOUGHT they could fuck with us! But now we are living in tents in the park! Now who's the man?
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Are you actually defending the bailout? lol

You're right in saying that if they didn't bail them out that shit would have hit the fan, but the sad part is all they did was DELAY THE INEVITABLE. The shit will STILL hit the fan because the ROOT OF THE PROBLEM has not been dealt with. You can change wall street companies and tax codes and whatever else you want but it won't do a damn thing until the Federal Reserve is dismantled. They are the ones who create our currency in the first place. There is nothing "Federal" about it, it's a privately owned corporation out for their own profit who lends our government money with interest. Why do you think the income tax was created the same year as the Federal Reserve? Because your hard earned money goes to pay for the INTEREST on our own currency! If people actually understood this they would be outraged, but instead they're all confused and don't know who the hell to blame.

People want to talk about paying off our debt a little here and a little there, but you can't even begin to deal with the debt problem until we reform the banking system from the bottom up.

A generation ago a loaf of bread cost somewhere around $0.25. What does it cost today? That isn't Wall Street's fault, it's the Federal Reserve's fault. They create inflation and the bubbles to begin with!
You still didn't answer my question, who is going to take over our banking system with the amount of debt that we're in to foreign countries if we let it fail?
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the religious would never vote for anyone named "Cain" - he is named after the first murderer LOL
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The birth certificate is the damn dumbest thing politically that anybody could do. Look at Trump. I liked him. Listened to his ideas and thought: "Hey, here's a guy that won't take any shit and doesn't have to kiss anybodies ass"

And then he DESTROYED his own chances with that stupid birth certificate stuff.

Any candidate that starts that up again is committing political suicide.

It's a non-issue. If they run on the economy and Obama's record, they can win. If they start any of that nonsense about a birth certificate...or babbling about "God"...they won't make it.

Nobody cares about birth certificates or God...people want JOBS.
True!!!!

Trump might actually be looking really good right now against the others if he had
left the birth certificate stuff alone.

He could at least have not gone so far with it to the point where he looked like
a conspiracy nut.
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Nobody is blaming "rich people" in general, at least nobody with half a brain. The reason they're at wallstreet is because that's where these financial institutions are headquartered. Where exactly is AIG located? The insurance company that created credit default swaps, made billions in profit off of them and then went bankrupt when they had to pay out?


And if we had allowed these banks to fail who would take over the American banking sector? The federal government is keeping them on life support because if they didn't the shit would really hit the fan. We owe China over 1 1/2 TRILLION dollars, our number one export is debt, who do you think is going to take over our banking system if we let it fail?
the big banks wouldn't of failed. they just didn't want to take a loss.
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The Hermanator "testifies" ...

I would not vote for any religionist preacher of any faith. Separation of church and state that should be a fundamental constitutional value. Isn't that part of the larger issue anymore?
yes, the constitution outlaws discrimination because of one's religion.
you should have someone teach it to you so you don't look so silly.
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You guys shitting all over the Tea party from the left and the other shitting all over the 99% movement from the right... can't you see that this is simply our political system starting to evolve out of necessity since the Pubes and the Demons are doing such a shitty job.

I envision one day a 4 party system here any of which has a good chance of running for the white house, and I think we are seeing it in it's infancy.

Progressives, Democrat, Republican, Conservative.

Hope we come up with a power sharing system like most modern democracies have.
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You guys shitting all over the Tea party from the left and the other shitting all over the 99% movement from the right... can't you see that this is simply our political system starting to evolve out of necessity since the Pubes and the Demons are doing such a shitty job.

I envision one day a 4 party system here any of which has a good chance of running for the white house, and I think we are seeing it in it's infancy.

Progressives, Democrat, Republican, Conservative.

Hope we come up with a power sharing system like most modern democracies have.
nah.
what the left doesn't understand is that they're strangling the golden goose. In the age of this "global economy" what you're going to hear if the Tea Party doesn't get its way is a giant sucking sound of wealth moving offshore. The uneducated will laugh at the idea, some others will so "don't let the door hit you in the ass" and the wealth will move, and laugh. The left will fail and we'll start over.
Its just a matter of whether you want to start over this election or wait 4 to 8 years.
you can't run a country where 50% of the people don't pay what the other 50 are forced to pay.
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yes, the constitution outlaws discrimination because of one's religion.
you should have someone teach it to you so you don't look so silly.
You can't have a religious test as a requirement for public office, but individuals are free to chose based on religion if they want to.

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yes they are. boy barry was trying to tie the constitution with a man's disqualification for office because of his religion.
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