For those who think poor people don't pay their share in taxes, you are severely misinformed.

[stocktrader23]

"My taxes pay for this, my taxes pay for that."

So do theirs, assholes.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3505

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

"My taxes pay for this, my taxes pay for that."

So do theirs, assholes.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3505

I am going to have to agree with you on this (I believe that may be one of the signs of the coming apocalypse by the way). Payroll taxes are taxes that are applied on a percentage basis to wage income (and are therefore clearly "income taxes") and represent a significant tax burden to low wage workers. The idea that someone making minimum wage who pays payroll taxes is not a "taxpayer" is absurd. I have to assume that the notion that low wage workers don't pay taxes is primarily spread by people who have never actually had an actual job.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

"My taxes pay for this, my taxes pay for that."

So do theirs, assholes.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3505

how much you pay?

[hateman]

poor people should be euthanized

[L-Pink]

The biggest payroll tax is FICA which is for social security. Was about 7.5% and the employer has to match which make it a gross tax of 15%. Again this is for "social security".

[porno jew]

consumption taxes and the large variety of hidden taxes as well.

[bigluv]

Poor people's taxes pay for what, exactly? Less than their share of the services they consume perhaps?

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by bigluv

Poor people's taxes pay for what, exactly? Less than their share of the services they consume perhaps?

Really, do poor people take up all the highways and sky ways with their big trailer
trucks and jet planes?

- Maybe it's the garbage they create when running their restaurants.
- Or do they dump their chemical waste to be cleaned up?
- Maybe they use too much city water in their swimming pools.
- Maybe it's the money we spend when we put them on lengthy trials for them to be
acquitted.
- Some poor dude did those oil spills I bet.
- Ahh, I got it! It's the body odor of the poor that causes global warming.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

I am going to have to agree with you on this (I believe that may be one of the signs of the coming apocalypse by the way). Payroll taxes are taxes that are applied on a percentage basis to wage income (and are therefore clearly "income taxes") and represent a significant tax burden to low wage workers. The idea that someone making minimum wage who pays payroll taxes is not a "taxpayer" is absurd. I have to assume that the notion that low wage workers don't pay taxes is primarily spread by people who have never actually had an actual job.

If you are minimum wage you are probably going to get it all back when you file your taxes.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Really, do poor people take up all the highways and sky ways with their big trailer
trucks and jet planes?

- Maybe it's the garbage they create when running their restaurants.
- Or do they dump their chemical waste to be cleaned up?
- Maybe they use too much city water in their swimming pools.
- Maybe it's the money we spend when we put them on lengthy trials for them to be
acquitted.
- Some poor dude did those oil spills I bet.
- Ahh, I got it! It's the body odor of the poor that causes global warming.

Best response I could imagine for this discussion.



They also ignored the part that stated that those getting tax credits usually pay Federal taxes most years, it's when they lose a job or similar. And damn those college students (future tax payers) not covering their share of Federal tax.

[12clicks]

In addition to all the taxes the bottom pays, the top pays 6 and 7 figures more on top of it. The poor have their way paid for them by their betters.

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by baddog

If you are minimum wage you are probably going to get it all back when you file your taxes.

You really must not understand payroll taxes. They are not refunded. They are paid at a straight percentage regardless of income. If you made only $50 of wages in a year you would still pay 7.5% of that $50 in payroll taxes. There are no deductions or exemptions from payroll taxes. They are withheld from your check and they most certainly are not refunded.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

Best response I could imagine for this discussion.



They also ignored the part that stated that those getting tax credits usually pay Federal taxes most years, it's when they lose a job or similar. And damn those college students (future tax payers) not covering their share of Federal tax.

There is so much more I left out.
The government knew what they were doing when they set up a tax structure.
It's just been eroded over the years through false claims by politicians who get
their financial backing from the rich.

Oh yeah, almost forgot; it was welfare recipients in housing projects that caused the
mortgage crisis and a trillion dollar bail out. They caused it because they should
have bought those fucking homes with food stamps when the wealthy people hauled ass.

[VIXEN ESCORTS]

Europe, too many people being paid too much for doing jackshit and too many people not being compensated appropriately for busting their balls. Slice the cake how you think between tax/benefits/paternity/maternity/icantworkforeternity/ the system has seized up.
Seized up because the takers outway the givers/producers.........Ohhhh wow doesn't this sound familiar.... you might think I am a cunt but I have been banging on about this for years in the adult industry....... so .........another thread !!

[TheDoc]

That's okay, the top .1% buy and pay for everyone and the .9% left in the fake 1%, get to continue on pretending to be rich while they pay up too... suckers!


Anyway, the lower income to working poor people pay a much much much LARGER percentage of income to taxes.

They don't get a return on all taxes, just income tax... and that is a tax that is still taken from them each check, and percentage of income wise, it hits them hard every check. Plenty of hard working, poor people, that struggle to pay for food over $20 a week that was ate up in taxes rather than the kids mouths. That's a worry us higher income folks never think about.....


Some taxes we all pay:
SS & Medicare roughly 15% or so... that's a hell of an amount to low income people
State income taxes and Property/Rental tax - State to state of course.
Sales Tax - They don't buy as much, but it hits them harder either way.
All public transportation, car reg, whatever we use - all have taxes on it
Passed on corporate income taxes.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

You really must not understand payroll taxes. They are not refunded. They are paid at a straight percentage regardless of income. If you made only $50 of wages in a year you would still pay 7.5% of that $50 in payroll taxes. There are no deductions or exemptions from payroll taxes. They are withheld from your check and they most certainly are not refunded.

Keep paying to have you taxes done homie, 'cause your shit is wack.

First I will give you a little credit for what "you meant to say" :
You meant to say that social security and medicare taxes will be paid no matter
what.

But it can all be negated by the following :

- Everybody can claim the "Standard Deduction" on all Fed tax forms.
- Everybody eligible can claim "Earn Income Credit"
- Everybody eligible can now claim, since Obama took office, "Making Work Pay"
- Everybody can deduct health care cost exceeding 4% of the income.
- Everybody eligible can claim "Head of House hold".
- Everybody with kids can claim deductions for each child
- Everybody can claim a dependent spouse, relative, guardianship
- Everybody can deduct charitable or political contributions
- Everybody can deduct business expenses(I made $50, and the yard rake cost $10 )

With that combination, it is possible for someone with really low income to get back all
taxes THEY PAID (employer paid for them too, not getting that back) plus another
$100 to $x,xxx back.

**But keep in mind that this money goes to people in the spirit of : "Thanks for working because at this income you
could have been on welfare/food stamps and collected more".

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Really, do poor people take up all the highways and sky ways with their big trailer
trucks and jet planes?

- Maybe it's the garbage they create when running their restaurants.
- Or do they dump their chemical waste to be cleaned up?
- Maybe they use too much city water in their swimming pools.
- Maybe it's the money we spend when we put them on lengthy trials for them to be
acquitted.
- Some poor dude did those oil spills I bet.
- Ahh, I got it! It's the body odor of the poor that causes global warming.

What a stupid fucking list. Are you really this clueless or just playing stupid on the Internet?

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Keep paying to have you taxes done homie, 'cause your shit is wack.

First I will give you a little credit for what "you meant to say" :
You meant to say that social security and medicare taxes will be paid no matter
what.

But it can all be negated by the following :

- Everybody can claim the "Standard Deduction" on all Fed tax forms.
- Everybody eligible can claim "Earn Income Credit"
- Everybody eligible can now claim, since Obama took office, "Making Work Pay"
- Everybody can deduct health care cost exceeding 4% of the income.
- Everybody eligible can claim "Head of House hold".
- Everybody with kids can claim deductions for each child
- Everybody can claim a dependent spouse, relative, guardianship
- Everybody can deduct charitable or political contributions
- Everybody can deduct business expenses(I made $50, and the yard rake cost $10 )

With that combination, it is possible for someone with really low income to get back all
taxes THEY PAID (employer paid for them too, not getting that back) plus another
$100 to $x,xxx back.

**But keep in mind that this money goes to people in the spirit of : "Thanks for working because at this income you
could have been on welfare/food stamps and collected more".

I have no doubt that you have much more experience with the in and outs of being a low income wage employee than I do....... so I will not try to argue with your knowledge gained from first hand experience.

[woj]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

The biggest payroll tax is FICA which is for social security. Was about 7.5% and the employer has to match which make it a gross tax of 15%. Again this is for "social security".

whether that's a "tax" or more like mandatory insurance/investment you have to buy isn't that clear... I would call it more like mandatory insurance/investment, since you pay now but in theory you get it all back in 40 years when you retire...

(you actually won't get back even close to what you pay in, but that's a whole different topic)

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by woj

whether that's a "tax" or more like mandatory insurance or investment you have to buy isn't that clear...

That's the point I was trying to make as far as the biggest percentage actually paid.

.

[woj]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

That's the point I was trying to make as far as the biggest percentage actually paid.

.

wasn't sure if you meant that FICA is not a tax, but looks like we are on the same page... hopefully my reply clarified it a little for others...

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by woj

wasn't sure if you meant that FICA is not a tax, but looks like we are on the same page... hopefully my reply clarified it a little for others...

When I had a retail business it was amazing how few employees were aware the company had to match their FICA deduction. That the true FICA tax was really 15% of their earnings.

[raymor]

Originally Posted by baddog

If you are minimum wage you are probably going to get it all back when you file your taxes.

Probably true. If you have $500 withheld, get a $1000 refund, and a $5500 Pell grant, on net you've paid negative six thousand. Something like 45% of Americans pay less than zero net.

The article makes a big deal of the fact that almost everyone who works a legitimate job pays into social security and medicare.
Yes, mom paid $50,000 in FICA taxes over jer lifetime, but she's getting back $100,000 in social security and medicare, so she costs the government $50,000 in cash alone.

Since some people truly can't carry their own weight, we should help them. 45% is a scary number, though, because it's close to a majority who can vote themselves huge government checks. It makes perfect sense to them to vote for a $10,000 "refund" paid for by an 80% tax on businesses. As they become the majority, I see no reason to think they won't do that and so destroy the country.

[Overload]

needles to say ... they are the
99%

... go figure ...

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Keep paying to have you taxes done homie, 'cause your shit is wack.

First I will give you a little credit for what "you meant to say" :
You meant to say that social security and medicare taxes will be paid no matter
what.

But it can all be negated by the following :

- Everybody can claim the "Standard Deduction" on all Fed tax forms.
- Everybody eligible can claim "Earn Income Credit"
- Everybody eligible can now claim, since Obama took office, "Making Work Pay"
- Everybody can deduct health care cost exceeding 4% of the income.
- Everybody eligible can claim "Head of House hold".
- Everybody with kids can claim deductions for each child
- Everybody can claim a dependent spouse, relative, guardianship
- Everybody can deduct charitable or political contributions
- Everybody can deduct business expenses(I made $50, and the yard rake cost $10 )

With that combination, it is possible for someone with really low income to get back all
taxes THEY PAID (employer paid for them too, not getting that back) plus another
$100 to $x,xxx back.

**But keep in mind that this money goes to people in the spirit of : "Thanks for working because at this income you
could have been on welfare/food stamps and collected more".

Yep, Have a friend who was on unemployment all last year, didn't work 1 day. No taxes taken out of unemployment check. She has 3 children and got over $12K back on taxes..

[12clicks]

its amazing what passes for truth amongst the uninformed.
from the liberal rag "the washington post"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...d0iK_blog.html

When you add up all of the various taxes, and look at the effective tax rates, it is clear the tax system is already pretty progressive. Everyone pays some tax, even those who pay no federal income taxes, and the wealthiest pay a larger percentage share of taxes. Here’s the effective tax rate for all of the groups, according to the CBO:
Lowest quintile (23.4 million taxpayers), zero to $18,900: 4.3 percent
Second lowest quintile (22.4 million), $18,900-$32,100: 10.2 percent
Middle quintile (22.9 million), $32,100-$47,400: 14.2 percent
Fourth quintile (23 million), $47,400-$71,200: 17.6 percent
Highest quintile (23.6 million), above $71,200: 25.8 percent
Top 10 percent (12 million), minimum income of $98,100: 27.5 percent
Top 5 percent (5.9 million), minimum income of $134,400: 29 percent
Top 1 percent (1.1 million), minimum income of $332,300: 31.2 percent


Top 1% pay 38.02% of the tax burden
Top 5% pay 58.72% of the tax burden
Top 10% pay 69.94% of the tax burden
Top 25% pay 86.34% of the tax burden
Top 50% pay 97.30% of the tax burden
Bottom 50% pay 2.7% of the tax burden

[nation-x]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

its amazing what passes for truth amongst the uninformed.
from the liberal rag "the washington post"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...d0iK_blog.html

When you add up all of the various taxes, and look at the effective tax rates, it is clear the tax system is already pretty progressive. Everyone pays some tax, even those who pay no federal income taxes, and the wealthiest pay a larger percentage share of taxes. Here?s the effective tax rate for all of the groups, according to the CBO:
Lowest quintile (23.4 million taxpayers), zero to $18,900: 4.3 percent
Second lowest quintile (22.4 million), $18,900-$32,100: 10.2 percent
Middle quintile (22.9 million), $32,100-$47,400: 14.2 percent
Fourth quintile (23 million), $47,400-$71,200: 17.6 percent
Highest quintile (23.6 million), above $71,200: 25.8 percent
Top 10 percent (12 million), minimum income of $98,100: 27.5 percent
Top 5 percent (5.9 million), minimum income of $134,400: 29 percent
Top 1 percent (1.1 million), minimum income of $332,300: 31.2 percent


Top 1% pay 38.02% of the tax burden
Top 5% pay 58.72% of the tax burden
Top 10% pay 69.94% of the tax burden
Top 25% pay 86.34% of the tax burden
Top 50% pay 97.30% of the tax burden
Bottom 50% pay 2.7% of the tax burden

This is a perfect example of how "conservatives" love to use fuzzy math to back up their false claims. You keep quoting that article... but that article doesn't take a number of things into account. First of all, the top 1% earn 20% of the nations income and the top 50% earn 84% of the nations income. The top 10% own more than 60% of the nations assets. Herein lies the logical fallacy that the wealthy pay more in taxes vs. the poor. The AMOUNT is certainly more... the taxes paid as a percentage of income isn't even close... especially when you start counting state and local taxes.

The wealthy earn a much greater share of the income and own a much greater share of the assets... OF COURSE they pay a lot in taxes. However, the narrative from the right wing says that the bottom 47% don't pay ANY taxes... and that is false. They pay a much higher share of taxes as a percentage of their income than any wealthy person does and that is just pure FACT.

I just moved the South Carolina (Rock Hill). South Carolina is arguably one of the most conservative states in the union, right?

The first thing that occurred when I moved here is that my car insurance increased 180% because of the fees charges to insurance companies by the state (as explained by my insurance agent). Secondly, before I could license my cars, I had to pay property tax on them - $750 - 6% of the value they place on the cars. For example, they valued my 2010 Dodge Charger SXT with 11,500 miles on it at $25,651. They don't sell for that new. The Blue Book value is $16,725.

Then I had to pay another $125 to get an SC drivers license for my wife and I plus the car registration....

Btw... did I mention that the property tax on cars is due annually just like home property tax? I never had to pay anything like that in Michigan. I call bullshit that conservatives represent less government and less taxes.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

its amazing what passes for truth amongst the uninformed.
from the liberal rag "the washington post"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...d0iK_blog.html

When you add up all of the various taxes, and look at the effective tax rates, it is clear the tax system is already pretty progressive. Everyone pays some tax, even those who pay no federal income taxes, and the wealthiest pay a larger percentage share of taxes. Here?s the effective tax rate for all of the groups, according to the CBO:
Lowest quintile (23.4 million taxpayers), zero to $18,900: 4.3 percent
Second lowest quintile (22.4 million), $18,900-$32,100: 10.2 percent
Middle quintile (22.9 million), $32,100-$47,400: 14.2 percent
Fourth quintile (23 million), $47,400-$71,200: 17.6 percent
Highest quintile (23.6 million), above $71,200: 25.8 percent
Top 10 percent (12 million), minimum income of $98,100: 27.5 percent
Top 5 percent (5.9 million), minimum income of $134,400: 29 percent
Top 1 percent (1.1 million), minimum income of $332,300: 31.2 percent


Top 1% pay 38.02% of the tax burden
Top 5% pay 58.72% of the tax burden
Top 10% pay 69.94% of the tax burden
Top 25% pay 86.34% of the tax burden
Top 50% pay 97.30% of the tax burden
Bottom 50% pay 2.7% of the tax burden

I didn't really see anyone here dispute this, of course I could have missed it.

Anyway, I wonder why these articles never go into the percentage of earned income vs. taxes paid. It's always about the 'share' or 'burden' of the total.... the progressive tax system is about paying a fair share, not about who pays the most vs. the least overall.

[12clicks]

I didn't bother reading past this since its a lie.

Originally Posted by nation-x

in taxes vs. the poor. The AMOUNT is certainly more... the taxes paid as a percentage of income isn't even close... especially when you start counting state and local taxes.

notice below where it says the words "add up all the various taxes" "effective tax rate" "CBO" and "percentage"

When you add up all of the various taxes, and look at the effective tax rates, it is clear the tax system is already pretty progressive. Everyone pays some tax, even those who pay no federal income taxes, and the wealthiest pay a larger percentage share of taxes. Here’s the effective tax rate for all of the groups, according to the CBO:
Lowest quintile (23.4 million taxpayers), zero to $18,900: 4.3 percent
Second lowest quintile (22.4 million), $18,900-$32,100: 10.2 percent
Middle quintile (22.9 million), $32,100-$47,400: 14.2 percent
Fourth quintile (23 million), $47,400-$71,200: 17.6 percent
Highest quintile (23.6 million), above $71,200: 25.8 percent
Top 10 percent (12 million), minimum income of $98,100: 27.5 percent
Top 5 percent (5.9 million), minimum income of $134,400: 29 percent
Top 1 percent (1.1 million), minimum income of $332,300: 31.2 percent



you're simply incorrect or lying.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

I didn't bother reading past this since its a lie.

notice below where it says the words "add up all the various taxes" "effective tax rate" "CBO" and "percentage"

When you add up all of the various taxes, and look at the effective tax rates, it is clear the tax system is already pretty progressive. Everyone pays some tax, even those who pay no federal income taxes, and the wealthiest pay a larger percentage share of taxes. Here?s the effective tax rate for all of the groups, according to the CBO:
Lowest quintile (23.4 million taxpayers), zero to $18,900: 4.3 percent
Second lowest quintile (22.4 million), $18,900-$32,100: 10.2 percent
Middle quintile (22.9 million), $32,100-$47,400: 14.2 percent
Fourth quintile (23 million), $47,400-$71,200: 17.6 percent
Highest quintile (23.6 million), above $71,200: 25.8 percent
Top 10 percent (12 million), minimum income of $98,100: 27.5 percent
Top 5 percent (5.9 million), minimum income of $134,400: 29 percent
Top 1 percent (1.1 million), minimum income of $332,300: 31.2 percent



you're simply incorrect or lying.

Do you not see this in the paragraph you posted? "the wealthiest pay a larger percentage share of taxes"

That's totally different than saying: The working poor pay a larger percentage of their INCOME to taxes than the higher incomes.

Notice they are different.... It's logical that the more you make, the more share of taxes you pay. A person making 1 million a year vs. a person making 25k a year, the 1m a person pays more in taxes than the 25k a year person makes total.

However, the taxes the 25k a year a person pays will leave him with far less money each check, the percentage of income left over is greatly reduced, compared to any bracket above them.

I simply refuse to believe you can't see the difference.

[nation-x]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

I didn't bother reading past this since its a lie.

notice below where it says the words "effective tax rate" "CBO" and "percentage"

Here?s the effective tax rate for all of the groups, according to the CBO:
Lowest quintile (23.4 million taxpayers), zero to $18,900: 4.3 percent
Second lowest quintile (22.4 million), $18,900-$32,100: 10.2 percent
Middle quintile (22.9 million), $32,100-$47,400: 14.2 percent
Fourth quintile (23 million), $47,400-$71,200: 17.6 percent
Highest quintile (23.6 million), above $71,200: 25.8 percent
Top 10 percent (12 million), minimum income of $98,100: 27.5 percent
Top 5 percent (5.9 million), minimum income of $134,400: 29 percent
Top 1 percent (1.1 million), minimum income of $332,300: 31.2 percent

you're simply incorrect or lying.

Funny... like a typical conservative ideologue you ignore the fact that I already proved this article wrong using the exact data they are quoting in another thread... remember 17%?

The report he is quoting includes excise tax... when was the last time you paid excise tax?

[Sunny Day]

Guy I knew hated bicyclists, said they don't pay road tax since they don't buy gas.
1-most bicyclists also own a car. Pay gas tax
2-anything, anyone purchases was delivered by at least 1 truck, but probably several trucks & trains
They all paid fuel taxes & other taxes

NO CORPORATION PAYS TAXES, they pass that on to the buyer as part of the cost of the product. Same as the cost of the product they sell, cost of employees, and all other costs.
Only tax businesses pay is sales tax. But they collect that on top of the selling price of the product & hold that money in trust for the state.

[12clicks]

wow, which idiot to respond to...........
nationx, you didn't prove the CBO's numbers I quoted above wrong in ANY thread, you merely babbled on shouting it was incorrect. much like you're doing here. sadly for you and luckily for the rest of the world, the CBO's numbers mean a whole lot more than the mighty nationx's.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by PornoMonster

Yep, Have a friend who was on unemployment all last year, didn't work 1 day. No taxes taken out of unemployment check. She has 3 children and got over $12K back on taxes..

The tax deductions for kids is massive!

But look how wealthy people with kids who take those deductions bitch about
the government paying welfare people for having kids?

It's the same fucking money.

Then the wealthy will say "but I worked for it". I then say, I'm single, no kids,
made the same income as you and I worked for it.....but I don't get it.
I also say "why should you get a tax break for not being able to keep your dick in
your pants".

They hate that shit. They hate admitting that they also get welfare but only through
a tax form.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Do you not see this in the paragraph you posted? "the wealthiest pay a larger percentage share of taxes"

That's totally different than saying: The working poor pay a larger percentage of their INCOME to taxes than the higher incomes.

lets pretend that instead of being a liar, you're just bad at reading.

Here?s the effective tax rate for all of the groups, according to the CBO:
Lowest quintile (23.4 million taxpayers), zero to $18,900: 4.3 percent
Second lowest quintile (22.4 million), $18,900-$32,100: 10.2 percent
Middle quintile (22.9 million), $32,100-$47,400: 14.2 percent
Fourth quintile (23 million), $47,400-$71,200: 17.6 percent
Highest quintile (23.6 million), above $71,200: 25.8 percent
Top 10 percent (12 million), minimum income of $98,100: 27.5 percent
Top 5 percent (5.9 million), minimum income of $134,400: 29 percent
Top 1 percent (1.1 million), minimum income of $332,300: 31.2 percent


I dumbed it down for you so you wouldn't be confused.
just read the bold words.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

The tax deductions for kids is massive!

But look how wealthy people with kids who take those deductions bitch about
the government paying welfare people for having kids?

It's the same fucking money.

Then the wealthy will say "but I worked for it". I then say, I'm single, no kids,
made the same income as you and I worked for it.....but I don't get it.
I also say "why should you get a tax break for not being able to keep your dick in
your pants".

They hate that shit. They hate admitting that they also get welfare but only through
a tax form.

you day laborers don't understand what he's talking about.
The key words in his post were "No taxes taken out of unemployment check" and "got over $12K back on taxes"

much different than getting some of the taxes you paid back by taking a deduction for a child.

[pornguy]

What about the poor that only take and are NOT wage earners.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

lets pretend that instead of being a liar, you're just bad at reading.

Here’s the effective tax rate for all of the groups, according to the CBO:
Lowest quintile (23.4 million taxpayers), zero to $18,900: 4.3 percent
Second lowest quintile (22.4 million), $18,900-$32,100: 10.2 percent
Middle quintile (22.9 million), $32,100-$47,400: 14.2 percent
Fourth quintile (23 million), $47,400-$71,200: 17.6 percent
Highest quintile (23.6 million), above $71,200: 25.8 percent
Top 10 percent (12 million), minimum income of $98,100: 27.5 percent
Top 5 percent (5.9 million), minimum income of $134,400: 29 percent
Top 1 percent (1.1 million), minimum income of $332,300: 31.2 percent


I dumbed it down for you so you wouldn't be confused.
just read the bold words.

I truly hope you're trying to troll and not actually being stupid on this....


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/0...rprise-to-them

Btw, this is from the CBPP... Edit: typed wrong letters

[nation-x]

Uh oh... now we know The Doc is a commie... he linked to DKos...

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

The tax deductions for kids is massive!

But look how wealthy people with kids who take those deductions bitch about
the government paying welfare people for having kids?

It's the same fucking money.

Then the wealthy will say "but I worked for it". I then say, I'm single, no kids,
made the same income as you and I worked for it.....but I don't get it.
I also say "why should you get a tax break for not being able to keep your dick in
your pants".

They hate that shit. They hate admitting that they also get welfare but only through
a tax form.

She might be my friend, but she is a system girl. She gets all those food stamps and other stuff as well. She gets almost 800 a month food stamps. like $2,000 a year energy assistance, she is "working" the online school system for all that money and loans. (she said she will never pay back) and several other programs. She told me she is worried because her unemployment runs out in Dec of this year, 99 weeks is up. Oh and she gets Child support!

[baddog]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

You really must not understand payroll taxes. They are not refunded.

Really? Since when? I got a refund in 1966 and I was still getting them in 2010 (yeah, my corp pays me a wage).

[adultchatpay]

Originally Posted by hateman

poor people should be euthanized

That makes the world boring i tell you.

[Vendzilla]

Just proof that the government has too many things they get taxes for

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by pornguy

What about the poor that only take and are NOT wage earners.

I guess we just shoot them all in the head! No other country has a % that is more of a burden on the system than they produce, that is a truly American thing.

[magicmike]

People argue all day about these tax rates, but lets face it, everyone one of us on here wants to be in that highest taxed bracket.

Compare the top 1%, then the bottom 50%, your just agruing about money that doesn't make a difference in one life, compared to basics for survival, food, shelter, water etc..

Sure some of those in the 50% have made poor decisions, or may be addicted, but a lot of them are hard working people.

So sure the poor may have it "easy" according to some of you, but the fact remains the system isn't going to work some magical third way, people need to get by, those that can't figure out the system often turn against it to a life of crime, so what is better, tax the poor further so they are poorer and more desperate?

The numbers for the middle to even the top 5% sure debate those, but the top 1% have it made either way.

So where do you get the tax $ from. ? Seems pretty obvious.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

I truly hope you're trying to troll and not actually being stupid on this....


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/0...rprise-to-them

Btw, this is from the CBPP... Edit: typed wrong letters

any idiot can post a couple of charts for a couple of specific taxes but son, if you look at mine, it includes ALL taxes.

nice troll though.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by magicmike

People argue all day about these tax rates, but lets face it, everyone one of us on here wants to be in that highest taxed bracket.

Compare the top 1%, then the bottom 50%, your just agruing about money that doesn't make a difference in one life, compared to basics for survival, food, shelter, water etc..

Sure some of those in the 50% have made poor decisions, or may be addicted, but a lot of them are hard working people.

So sure the poor may have it "easy" according to some of you, but the fact remains the system isn't going to work some magical third way, people need to get by, those that can't figure out the system often turn against it to a life of crime, so what is better, tax the poor further so they are poorer and more desperate?

The numbers for the middle to even the top 5% sure debate those, but the top 1% have it made either way.

So where do you get the tax $ from. ? Seems pretty obvious.

what's obvious is that we have 50% of the population paying no income tax and voting for every democrat who promises them their handout at the expense of someone else.
That needs to stop if we're ever going to get ridiculous governmental spending under control.
you can't have people who don't contribute voting on what should be spent.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

any idiot can post a couple of charts for a couple of specific taxes but son, if you look at mine, it includes ALL taxes.

nice troll though.

Well if you ever actually quoted your full articles you would learn more:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...d0iK_blog.html

However, these numbers do not include payroll taxes. Social Security tax is no longer collected once a person makes more than $106,800, so the share of such taxes declines quickly for wealthier groups.

In short, your numbers are bullshit... just to "skew" a point.

Anyway, please continue to confuse: Total tax percentage paid vs. Tax as a percentage of income - watching you dance is pure entertainment.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Well if you ever actually quoted your full articles you would learn more:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...d0iK_blog.html

However, these numbers do not include payroll taxes. Social Security tax is no longer collected once a person makes more than $106,800, so the share of such taxes declines quickly for wealthier groups.

In short, your numbers are bullshit... just to "skew" a point.

silly kid. here's the whole paragraph that you cherry picked a sentence from to seem right.. They're clearly including the payroll and SS calculation in the chart.
nice troll though.
However, these numbers do not include payroll taxes. Social Security tax is no longer collected once a person makes more than $106,800, so the share of such taxes declines quickly for wealthier groups.

Thus, the top one percent pay an effective rate of 1.6 percent on social insurance taxes, compared to an effective rate of about 9 percent for most other income groups. (The data are further distorted by the fact that some wealthy individuals, such as lawyers, are paid through corporate structures, so their taxes are listed as corporate income taxes.)

When you add up all of the various taxes, and look at the effective tax rates, it is clear the tax system is already pretty progressive. Everyone pays some tax, even those who pay no federal income taxes, and the wealthiest pay a larger percentage share of taxes. Here?s the effective tax rate for all of the groups, according to the CBO

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Anyway, please continue to confuse: Total tax percentage paid vs. Tax as a percentage of income - watching you dance is pure entertainment.

someone didn't learn the meaning of "effective tax rate" in troll school.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

silly kid. here's the whole paragraph that you cherry picked a sentence from to seem right.. They're clearly including the payroll and SS calculation in the chart.
nice troll though.
However, these numbers do not include payroll taxes. Social Security tax is no longer collected once a person makes more than $106,800, so the share of such taxes declines quickly for wealthier groups.

Thus, the top one percent pay an effective rate of 1.6 percent on social insurance taxes, compared to an effective rate of about 9 percent for most other income groups. (The data are further distorted by the fact that some wealthy individuals, such as lawyers, are paid through corporate structures, so their taxes are listed as corporate income taxes.)

When you add up all of the various taxes, and look at the effective tax rates, it is clear the tax system is already pretty progressive. Everyone pays some tax, even those who pay no federal income taxes, and the wealthiest pay a larger percentage share of taxes. Here’s the effective tax rate for all of the groups, according to the CBO

lol, thanks for proving I did quote the entire paragraph.


And btw, effective tax rate = total share of taxes paid as a percentage - or the rate of it really, which is exactly what I've been saying. Adding up the total money spent on taxes is how they came up with this number.

Which is vastly different than taxes as a percentage of income. If a person each month is left with $100, then gas tax as a percentage of income is going to hit them MUCH harder and larger than a person with millions.

That's what taxes as a percentage of income means, it's not really possible to confuse the two.