Paul Markham, why do you continually talk out of your ass?

[stocktrader23]

Unqualified traffic. What is that exactly?

Is it people looking for cooking recipes landing on a web cam site?
Is it people looking for a teen paysite landing on a web cam site?
Is it people looking for a cam site clicking on a link that says cam site?

We taught the surfer to be unqualified by giving it to him for free. If a guy is browning on a free porn site, putting into Google "Live Web Cams" he isn't "Unqualified. He's someone interested in porn. Someone we have 499 in 500 chances of not selling him anything as he jerks off to the free porn.

You made your bed, now lie in it.

IMO most cams are fucking boring as hell. girls stuck in a tiny cubicle smaller than my toilet, with little motivation and not that attractive. Few good looking girls have stuck to it, as there's better money elsewhere, well there was, and most I suspect from Eastern Europe. Because it pays so badly a US girl would laugh at the money.

Again it's all about paying out lots of money to affiliates, to dump people on a site that's like sieve. That's why they don't convert.

Out of the $20 the guys spends, how much goes to the performer putting herself on display and how much to the affiliate?

And dozens more in a single thread.

Are you really serious with all of this shit? It's like you have some minuscule semblance of how things are and use that to spin an elaborate tail of absolute horse shit. Please stop, please?

[Fletch XXX]

You made your bed, now lie in it.

love that line.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

You made your bed, now lie in it.

love that line.

The sad part is he's partially right on several points but takes it to the biggest extreme you can get. Now he's talking about webcam sites and has not a fucking clue about even the basics of how they work, who uses them, what they like or anything. Sigh.

[Roald]

[spunky99]

Originally Posted by Roald

[stocktrader23]

If he was 1-5,000,000 you would be happy.

$12k a month is $144k a year after tax. Guys on this level are getting the real thing, not some girl on a webcam.

But good job spamming your site.

[scottybuzz]

paul is very smart and playing the opposite game and all you fools are falling for it.

Whatever he types, take it to be the opposite of the truth! then he starts making a lot of sense.

[Jack Sparrow]

Because people wont notice his yellow teeth, is why he prefers to talk out of his ass. Besides that, his ass makes more sense then his brains can cope with anyway.

[ottopottomouse]

Old people talk bollocks all the time - he just has a bigger audience.

[Jarmusch]

Originally Posted by Roald

Paul has been reported to PETA. Thanks for the heads-up.

[kristin]

One way to constantly keep his name out there and keep people talking about him.

[Nydahl]

Ok Paul is bit insane but he is right about this.The most of you guys will face the reality of the free porn sooner or later.The only measure is for how long you can tighten your belt.
I am no hater I run my mainstream for longer then year now.As a central europe producer I am the 1 who had to leave the biz as it used to be but I mean this seriously - free porn is dead end.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by Nydahl

Ok Paul is bit insane but he is right about this.The most of you guys will face the reality of the free porn sooner or later.The only measure is for how long you can tighten your belt.
I am no hater I run my mainstream for longer then year now.As a central europe producer I am the 1 who had to leave the biz as it used to be but I mean this seriously - free porn is dead end.

Every post he made in that thread is explaining why cam ratios are so bad. Not only is he wrong on pretty much all counts, he has gone off on equally ridiculous tangents and claimed that perfectly valid information was made up because he just couldn't see it happening.

Also, free porn was going to increase year over year regardless of what anybody here did personally. Blaming the downfall of this industry on affiliates and programs making a few million a year is misguided, ignorant and fucking annoying.

Cheers

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

The sad part is he's partially right on several points but takes it to the biggest extreme you can get. Now he's talking about webcam sites and has not a fucking clue about even the basics of how they work, who uses them, what they like or anything. Sigh.

I was taking the piss out of the stupid post about traffic. Which the poster didn't have a sensible reply to.

Why don't you try to look clever and rather than just say "you don't know" say what's wrong. Educate me me.

What was the "Unqualified traffic"? I think it was a bullshit post made by the shop owner selling a product that's poor and blaming others.

what emerged from that thread is the truth.

Most of the webcam sites attracting affiliates, are little more than shops with an affiliate program. They don't own the studios, have little say in them and have to take what they're given. I know this from meeting web cam studio owners selling their product to these sites. How many of these people have you met. How many webcam studios have you been into. How many webcam models have you met face to face?

Webcams are a version of a live product that I've been selling as a pre recorded product for decades. It's a girl being sexy talking to a viewer. The same rules that apply to make that product sell, are the same rules that make the live version sell.

You know is to send traffic. I know how to produce porn. And webcams are porn.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I was taking the piss out of the stupid post about traffic. Which the poster didn't have a sensible reply to.

Why don't you try to look clever and rather than just say "you don't know" say what's wrong. Educate me me.

What was the "Unqualified traffic"? I think it was a bullshit post made by the shop owner selling a product that's poor and blaming others.

what emerged from that thread is the truth.

Most of the webcam sites attracting affiliates, are little more than shops with an affiliate program. They don't own the studios, have little say in them and have to take what they're given. I know this from meeting web cam studio owners selling their product to these sites. How many of these people have you met. How many webcam studios have you been into. How many webcam models have you met face to face?

Webcams are a version of a live product that I've been selling as a pre recorded product for decades. It's a girl being sexy talking to a viewer. The same rules that apply to make that product sell, are the same rules that make the live version sell.

You know is to send traffic. I know how to produce porn. And webcams are porn.

Again, you absolutely do not know webcams and this sentence

"Webcams are a version of a live product that I've been selling as a pre recorded product for decades."

makes that perfectly clear to anyone with even a basic understanding of the market.

Anyhow, I wouldn't mind responding to the ridiculousness posted in the other thread but there was so much bullshit being stated that I didn't know where to start. You are / were so far out of touch on the topic that I find it very hard to believe you aren't 100% trolling. Seriously.

[epitome]

Paul became just a surfer years ago when people stopped buying his shitty content for anything other than filler so a site could say they have 100k images and 5k videos and not get a CB.

He doesn't understand this business today. Just like people who made cars in the 60s were shut out by younger and smarter engineers of today.

The sooner he and everybody else realizes this the sooner he sinks back into his miserable retirement with his wife that has to work to support him (or at least get away from him) and the dog he takes to the park to lure unsuspecting souls into pointless conversations.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

Every post he made in that thread is explaining why cam ratios are so bad. Not only is he wrong on pretty much all counts, he has gone off on equally ridiculous tangents and claimed that perfectly valid information was made up because he just couldn't see it happening.

I said a girl looking 12 inches to the left of my screen is putting me off chatting with her. Right or wrong?

I said a girl looking glum is putting me off her. Right or wrong.

I was going to say a girl calling me BB is putting me off her, as she says that to everyone and to a guy old enough to be her Father it's an insult. Address chat people by their name, not some stupid thing a studio manager told you to say.

I said the cubicle look like shit houses. Right or Wrong?

We also found out from Barry, what I already knew being inside webcam studios, is the girls often work 2 cameras. 2 sites selling them.

Also, free porn was going to increase year over year regardless of what anybody here did personally. Blaming the downfall of this industry on affiliates and programs making a few million a year is misguided, ignorant and fucking annoying.

I don't blame affiliates. I blame the stupidity of sponsors who think some guy punching a keyboard is worth more than the people who produce the product. This attitude has led to 1,000s of crap sites, that don't convert well and retain even worse. Because good pornographers are rare and well paid. don't spew excuses. Online porn pays shooters badly, there are far better paying markets than here for good shooters. Even a shooter like me can earn more offline.

In webcams it means studios are in places like Romania, where one of the studios featured in that thread is located. Do you honestly think that leads to a good product?

Hit me with facts, like I did. Not empty statements.

I live in hope that you will come back with your studio, with your girls who work 100% for you and you sell on your site.

Not with clap trap.

The post about they guy who spent $12,000 in a month. Is just a statement until you prove it. The shape of the business shows the value of it. Studios based in Eastern Europe, being sold via sites that have little say over them and girls on very little money. I know I've been to the studios. Not too many big spenders buying webcams then.

I will expect proof that I'm wrong, not the usual denials based on me not sending enough traffic to know what is good porn and bad porn.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

Again, you absolutely do not know webcams and this sentence

"Webcams are a version of a live product that I've been selling as a pre recorded product for decades."

makes that perfectly clear to anyone with even a basic understanding of the market.

Anyhow, I wouldn't mind responding to the ridiculousness posted in the other thread but there was so much bullshit being stated that I didn't know where to start. You are / were so far out of touch on the topic that I find it very hard to believe you aren't 100% trolling. Seriously.

You posted nothing of substance.

A girl talking to a camera is a version of live cam. The same selling rules apply. Address your viewer face to face, smile, use his name, etc.

Do you want to tell me the difference? Can you?

So in webcams this works best.

A girl looking away from the person trying to chat with her.
A girl looking bored.
A girl using the same term to reply to everyone. BB.
A girl in a crappy cubicle.

Is that what works best in webcams?

And if you tell me the girl is working another camera. You lose. It shows you're on a shit site that can't afford to have the girl exclusive and just a shop selling the product the producer sends.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Nydahl

Ok Paul is bit insane but he is right about this.The most of you guys will face the reality of the free porn sooner or later.The only measure is for how long you can tighten your belt.
I am no hater I run my mainstream for longer then year now.As a central europe producer I am the 1 who had to leave the biz as it used to be but I mean this seriously - free porn is dead end.

I'm sure you know about these studios, met the owners and met the girls on castings. The tiny handful of studios that were owned by the seller are far out numbered by the ones upselling to a shop with an affiliate program.

And you know that a lot of these studios have shrunk, closed or moved even further East. Because the ones in Czech couldn't make it cheap enough.

Most of these guys know the reality. Just blaming piracy instead of their own actions.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by epitome

Paul became just a surfer years ago when people stopped buying his shitty content for anything other than filler so a site could say they have 100k images and 5k videos and not get a CB.

He doesn't understand this business today. Just like people who made cars in the 60s were shut out by younger and smarter engineers of today.

The sooner he and everybody else realizes this the sooner he sinks back into his miserable retirement with his wife that has to work to support him (or at least get away from him) and the dog he takes to the park to lure unsuspecting souls into pointless conversations.

From someone punching a keyboard and thinks that gives him a clue.

I understood giving the product away was suicide.
I understood spending more to give it away than was spent to produce it was suicide.
I understood making the job of being an affiliate so easy any idiot could do it was suicide.
I understood the Internet was only a different way to deliver a product and nothing else.

And I understand today that most of you will be long gone, while I'll still be selling my content to the few who are left.

[marlboroack]

I think Paul is better than you.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I'm sure you know about these studios, met the owners and met the girls on castings. The tiny handful of studios that were owned by the seller are far out numbered by the ones upselling to a shop with an affiliate program.

And you know that a lot of these studios have shrunk, closed or moved even further East. Because the ones in Czech couldn't make it cheap enough.

Most of these guys know the reality. Just blaming piracy instead of their own actions.

You're so fucking stupid paul.

Studios were successful early in the game because in that part of the world, incomes were low (200-300/mo etc), internet/computers/cameras were expensive and few had internet access in their homes or could afford it... assuming they had a phone line to begin with.

Now everything is cheaper, incomes are higher, models all can buy computers, cameras, pay for fast connections and work from home... hence the decline of studios. Studios simply aren't necessary to models when they can just as easily work from home.

My first t1 in Russia in 1998 was $18,000 a month and relied heavily on satellite and radio relays. There was no option for home connections at the time that was fast enough to support existing java video/java chat solutions like Firecracker (which livejasmin started as)... there was only dial up which was not only too slow but unreliable even at 56kbs.

These kinds of retarded wrong assumptions and baseless statements are why people keep telling you that you're an idiot.

[Imortyl Pussycat]

his ass must be jealous of all the shit that comes out of his mouth

[Wizzo]

Originally Posted by Imortyl Pussycat

his ass must be jealous of all the shit that comes out of his mouth

You stole my quote!!!

[WarChild]

Just pay him no mind. Arguing with him just fuels his fire.

[Rochard]

Paul is a photographer. Nothing else.

And a crappy photographer at that.

[LeRoy]

His title is "Troll of the year"

He's living up to it

[kush]

Why you serious business guys don't have him on ignore baffles me.

[alias]

Originally Posted by Roald

This is true, save puppies and scroll past Paul's walls.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by kush

Why you serious business guys don't have him on ignore baffles me.

I miss my grandfather. He talked endlessly about WWII ... telling the same stories over and over. It was repetitive but I listened every time like I was hearing the story for the first time. With him in his 80s, his memories of the 40s were vivid but he didn't have much of a clue about what was currently going on.

Paul reminds me of my grandfather in many ways. He annoys me, when my grandfather didn't, but he is still a reminder.

[Supz]

He is an old nut, thats why.

[Far-L]

Originally Posted by Roald

I have to look again but I am pretty sure that killing puppies is a bannable offense on this board.

[The Porn Nerd]

I can't read Paul's word porn so let me just sum up his arguments and y'all can tell me if I'm right or wrong, ok?

CAMS BAD?

[porno jew]

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Paul is a photographer. Nothing else.

And a crappy photographer at that.

And a crappy photographer who managed to sell into markets the great online guys, never could.

The problem is the idiots who have failed, work from their bedrooms or just manage to make a living as a one man band criticising someone who rose to a height few of them ever achieved.

Rochard, use to have a paysite. Now?
The no nick trolls.
The people who think their ability to give away porn makes them experts on porn.

Well, I've been doing business online for 15 years now and watched as the majority of them have sunk. now watching as more sink and more switch to mainstream.

And listen to lies.

CAMS BAD? No cams are good. In fact I've posted that live porn is a great way to make money. What is bad is the way some people run that business. People who are nothing but shops selling the product the producer gives them.

I made specific statement in this thread of what is bad, what harms affiliates sales. Yet so far has one of you come back with a decent reply? That says all you need to know.

Make a proper reply and stop being idiots making stupid replies like Rochard. A person who once had a site and now works for YNOT. I worked in a market that paid 10 times what online pays and I still own the product so still here to tell you what I think. How many great online shooters did that and didn't start where I did in offline porn?

Carry on being idiots. You're wasting tie, you should be giving away more porn to sell to 1-1,000 who get off on it.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by marlboroack

I think Paul is better than you.

Please that's not very nice to me.

look at his great profile.

About stocktrader23

Adult Industry Role
Affiliate

Signature

DOBBLE DOBBLE
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Just shut the fuck up, Dave.

The intelligence of this man is clear from his info.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

From someone punching a keyboard and thinks that gives him a clue.

I understood giving the product away was suicide.
I understood spending more to give it away than was spent to produce it was suicide.
I understood making the job of being an affiliate so easy any idiot could do it was suicide.
I understood the Internet was only a different way to deliver a product and nothing else.

And I understand today that most of you will be long gone, while I'll still be selling my content to the few who are left.

Actually, I should license your content for our ad supported tube. CTR would be through the roof since everybody will click the ads to avoid your content.

Oh that's right, the content we license is still relevant and in demand. Yours wouldn't be a good fit.

[papill0n]

paul is one of the most intellectually challenged people here

and

he has no traffic and makes no sales

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by epitome

Actually, I should license your content for our ad supported tube. CTR would be through the roof since everybody will click the ads to avoid your content.

Oh that's right, the content we license is still relevant and in demand. Yours wouldn't be a good fit.

Another guy who makes a living giving away the product.

The rest is the usual bullshit. Yes I made my money in a sector of porn that out paid online shooters by up to 10 times. Not bad for content that's no longer relevant and in demand.

relevant and in demand. = We sell to 1 in 1,000s.

Wow with relevant and in demand lie that I'm glad I'm retired.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by papill0n

paul is one of the most intellectually challenged people here

and

he has no traffic and makes no sales

I didn't need 1,000s to see my content to make a sale. Which makes me brighter than you.

[porno jew]

paul post some of work as a stunt cock if you have it.

[papill0n]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I didn't need 1,000s to see my content to make a sale. Which makes me brighter than you.

paul .stop. you dont make sales.

youre borderline batshit crazy

[Paul Markham]

And this is the level of those who criticise me.

No logical replies, no common sense from people tapping away on a keyboard. Who understand how to give porn away.

Astound me, amaze us all. Come up with a logical sensible reply.

Epitome. I sold content in markets few online shooters or sponsors could get into. a market that wold of made a paysites content free for the paysite. And that makes my content bad?????

papill0n I could show my content to 2 people and sell it for $1,000s. Well not sell it, I licensed it. you have to get 1,000s to look at free content to sell to 1. Not clicks you send to a sponsor, people who see the content.

We're still making money from this business. 3+ years after stopping work.

Now you tell me that makes you right and me wrong. In cloud cuckoo land you're right.

[MaxCandy]

Get Him

[shade001]

Originally Posted by papill0n

paul .stop. you dont make sales.

youre borderline batshit crazy

He is way past borderline crazy.

[papill0n]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

And this is the level of those who criticise me.

No logical replies, no common sense from people tapping away on a keyboard. Who understand how to give porn away.

Astound me, amaze us all. Come up with a logical sensible reply.

Epitome. I sold content in markets few online shooters or sponsors could get into. a market that wold of made a paysites content free for the paysite. And that makes my content bad?????

papill0n I could show my content to 2 people and sell it for $1,000s. Well not sell it, I licensed it. you have to get 1,000s to look at free content to sell to 1. Not clicks you send to a sponsor, people who see the content.

We're still making money from this business. 3+ years after stopping work.

Now you tell me that makes you right and me wrong. In cloud cuckoo land you're right.

I beg your pardon ? The level of idiocy ? Mate listen to you babble on about me having to show free content to thousands of people to make sales. You have zero knowledge of what I sell or how I sell it yet here you once again basing a reply on a hypothetical.

In actual fact you were accusing me of running a piracy site earlier so the stupidity of your statement is even more apparent.

Ive made a living selling porn for a decade and I have never even bought content.

Try to get your head around that one donkey.

me > you

[teomaxxx]

Originally Posted by epitome

I miss my grandfather. He talked endlessly about WWII ... telling the same stories over and over. It was repetitive but I listened every time like I was hearing the story for the first time. With him in his 80s, his memories of the 40s were vivid but he didn't have much of a clue about what was currently going on.

Paul reminds me of my grandfather in many ways. He annoys me, when my grandfather didn't, but he is still a reminder.

well, at least WWII stories were interesting to hear, but endless babbling of PM is quiet bothering.
OMG, its sad to see guy with no more then 10-15 years of life babbling half of a day on GFY, every week, every month.
There should be a better things to do at that stage of life.Definately, if i am here by my 60 years or even 50, please some kick me out of here.....

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

And this is the level of those who criticise me.

No logical replies, no common sense from people tapping away on a keyboard. Who understand how to give porn away.

Astound me, amaze us all. Come up with a logical sensible reply.

Epitome. I sold content in markets few online shooters or sponsors could get into. a market that wold of made a paysites content free for the paysite. And that makes my content bad?????

papill0n I could show my content to 2 people and sell it for $1,000s. Well not sell it, I licensed it. you have to get 1,000s to look at free content to sell to 1. Not clicks you send to a sponsor, people who see the content.

We're still making money from this business. 3+ years after stopping work.

Now you tell me that makes you right and me wrong. In cloud cuckoo land you're right.

I told you way at the top I'd respond if I could be sure you weren't a massive troll and wasting my time. Guess what, you filled the thread with more idiotic trollish posts, questioned my intelligence and talked more shit in general.

PS, if you say you are retired but still leave your websites online you aren't really retired. If that's how we're counting it I retired in my 20's.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

I told you way at the top I'd respond if I could be sure you weren't a massive troll and wasting my time. Guess what, you filled the thread with more idiotic trollish posts, questioned my intelligence and talked more shit in general.

PS, if you say you are retired but still leave your websites online you aren't really retired. If that's how we're counting it I retired in my 20's.

So you would reply if I just let you post twaddle.

OK we have your level.

Welcome to ignore.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Welcome to ignore.

LOL!

You and your made up ignore list. Very funny.

So Paul, name one major cam outfit you've met and know the owners of. I know most of the big ones, so it will be easy to verify.

Let's see...

Actually just name one of the top 5 cams people that would verify you had a meeting with them. Ever. About anything.