Occupy Seattle Recap

[stocktrader23]

Another fantastic job by the police. This 84 year old jobless loon was obviously causing trouble and didn't have a simple little message that even morons could understand so she deserved the pepper spray to the face.

[Rochard]

My favorite part was from the comment from the police:

Seattle police spokesman Jeff Kappel said he didn?t have specifics on the Rainey incident, but he said pepper spray is ?is not age specific. No more dangerous to someone who is 10 or someone who is 80.?

I agree with the OWS message but not they way they are going about it. I also think they are forcing police into bad circumstances. But that comment is seriously fucked up.

Here's a link to the article.

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I agree with the OWS message but not they way they are going about it. I also think they are forcing police into bad circumstances. But that comment is seriously fucked up.

What message is that exactly?

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Rochard

My favorite part was from the comment from the police:


I agree with the OWS message but not they way they are going about it. I also think they are forcing police into bad circumstances. But that comment is seriously fucked up.

Here's a link to the article.

why would a pregnate woman and a 84 year old activist be in anything but a peaceful protest?

surely there must be some justification of using a substance declared illegal by the geneva conventions?

[Anthony]

Seattle police said plenty of verbal warnings were given to demonstrators attempting to block intersections and streets during rush hour.

?Pepper spray was deployed only against subjects who were either refusing a lawful order to disperse or engaging in assaultive behavior toward officers,? Kappel wrote on the department?s blog.

What did they seriously expect to happen?

[porno jew]

if you are an american and can't see how the military apparatus that was built up over the last decade is now going to be turned on it's own citizens are fucking morons.

but some people are just hardwired to be bootlickers, so it is what it is.

[DaddyHalbucks]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

why would a pregnate woman and a 84 year old activist be in anything but a peaceful protest?

Bad judgment.

Originally Posted by _Richard_

surely there must be some justification of using a substance declared illegal by the geneva conventions?

Yea, a riot. Or disturbing the peace. Or resisting arrest. Or, or, or...

[Caligari]

Originally Posted by Anthony

What did they seriously expect to happen?

Goosestep mamma, boogie all night long oh yea



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[Phoenix]

some people are hilarious

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

What message is that exactly?

Their message is a big vague, but clearly the banks have fucked us. They fucked us so bad that they bet against us - and made a profit from that too.

Occupying a park outside of Wall Street and bitching the at the banks isn't gonna change a thing. This needs to be directed at Washington DC, who for the most part has ignored this.

BTW, I read an article today that 47% of Congress are multi-millionaries. That's the 1% right there.

[porno jew]

totally wrong. governments and political systems come and go, but the banks are always there in the background, unscathed.

prey tell who is every government indebted to? and as any consumer knows, when you owe money your life is controlled by your debtor in subtle and not-so-subtle ways.

for the first time a popular movement has got it right.

[cykoe6]

There is absolutely no justification for pepper spraying an 80 year woman in the face under any circumstance...... none whatsoever. That is madness pure and simple.

[porno jew]

the tea party can go after the white house? why don't they occupy washington?

go ahead.

that ows should go after the government is a right wing / wall street attempt to direct attention from themselves and turn ows into a tool against the obama admin.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Rochard

BTW, I read an article today that 47% of Congress are multi-millionaries. That's the 1% right there.

are you sure?

obviously those individuals are up there.. but is it really the 1%?

[porno jew]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

There is absolutely no justification for pepper spraying an 80 year woman in the face under any circumstance...... none whatsoever. That is madness pure and simple.

sure there is. it's called public order.

[georgeyw]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

What message is that exactly?

He would not be able to tell you the colour of his underpants.....

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by porno jew

if you are an american and can't see how the military apparatus that was built up over the last decade is now going to be turned on it's own citizens are fucking morons.

but some people are just hardwired to be bootlickers, so it is what it is.

The number of men under arms in the US Military peaked in the 1940s when 10% of Americans were in the military. Now it's about 1%. The number of men and women in the military isn't growing, it's declining.

[porno jew]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Occupying a park outside of Wall Street and bitching the at the banks isn't gonna change a thing.

i agree. they should occupy wall street buildings and bring out the vermin who inhabit them and make them face popular justice, since the police and state wont do it.

[porno jew]

Originally Posted by Rochard

The number of men under arms in the US Military peaked in the 1940s when 10% of Americans were in the military. Now it's about 1%. The number of men and women in the military isn't growing, it's declining.

what does that have to do with anything?

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

are you sure?

obviously those individuals are up there.. but is it really the 1%?

I believe the article said that 47% of Congress makes more than $5 mil a year. Another article mentioned that Newt was paid $1.6 million AND $1.8 million for "consulting fees".

I guess it depends on how you define the "1%".

[stocktrader23]

Is this opposite day?

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I believe the article said that 47% of Congress makes more than $5 mil a year. Another article mentioned that Newt was paid $1.6 million AND $1.8 million for "consulting fees".

I guess it depends on how you define the "1%".

i thought it was clear.. 1% of the world population

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by porno jew

i agree. they should occupy wall street buildings and bring out the vermin who inhabit them and make them face popular justice, since the police and state wont do it.

The target needs to be DC. Greed will always exist in the banking sector; Their entire goal is to make money. We need to make laws that will prevent this from happening agian.

Originally Posted by porno jew

what does that have to do with anything?

You said the "military apparatus that was built up over the last decade". It hasn't been "built up over the last decade". It isn't growing at all, and we have the smallest percentage of the population in the military in the past sixty years.

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by porno jew

sure there is. it's called public order.

You are certainly justified in throwing my own words back at me....... but an old woman is not a legitimate threat to public order under any circumstances. If an old woman is making a disruption then any police officer or human being in their right mind would offer gentle assistance. I would easily turn in my badge before I would pepper spray an old woman or a small child. Even in Latvia where police brutality is widespread this would be considered totally reprehensible behavior by a police officer. It is a disgrace.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Rochard

The target needs to be DC. Greed will always exist in the banking sector; Their entire goal is to make money. We need to make laws that will prevent this from happening agian.



You said the "military apparatus that was built up over the last decade". It hasn't been "built up over the last decade". It isn't growing at all, and we have the smallest percentage of the population in the military in the past sixty years.

guess ur talking about the US 1%, my bad

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

Is this opposite day?

I agree with the basic message of OWS. But they are going about it completely wrong.

Camping out in public parks and confrontations with the local police is counter productive. They have no leadership, no goals, and seem to be directing their anger at local city governments. This is pointless and doesn't accomplish anything short of costing our local cities millions in law enforcement costs.

They need to be protesting Congress directly, not Wall Street in NYC. Camping out just brings out the misfits and the bottom 10% of society. This is just making the movement look bad. Instead of "shutting down Wall Street" for a single day, what they need to do is shut down the Capital Building for a week. Camp out if you must, but not on a long term basis - that just attracts the bottom feeders and the homeless.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

You are certainly justified in throwing my own words back at me....... but an old woman is not a legitimate threat to public order under any circumstances. If an old woman is making a disruption then any police officer or human being in their right mind would offer gentle assistance. I would easily turn in my badge before I would pepper spray an old woman or a small child. Even in Latvia where police brutality is widespread this would be considered totally reprehensible behavior by a police officer. It is a disgrace.

I agree it's extremely distasteful.

But police didn't target an 84 year old woman - they targeted a group of protesters who were refusing direct orders from police. This also included a priest and a nineteen year old pregnant woman.

And it's not like police walked up to an 84 year old woman and pepper sprayed her. I'm guessing police gave multiple warnings telling people to leave, and most likely told them they would be pepper sprayed. They had the option of leaving, and failed to do so.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I agree with the basic message of OWS. But they are going about it completely wrong.

Camping out in public parks and confrontations with the local police is counter productive. They have no leadership, no goals, and seem to be directing their anger at local city governments. This is pointless and doesn't accomplish anything short of costing our local cities millions in law enforcement costs.

They need to be protesting Congress directly, not Wall Street in NYC. Camping out just brings out the misfits and the bottom 10% of society. This is just making the movement look bad. Instead of "shutting down Wall Street" for a single day, what they need to do is shut down the Capital Building for a week. Camp out if you must, but not on a long term basis - that just attracts the bottom feeders and the homeless.

I disagree with you on tactics but that's life. We'll see how it plays out at some point.

[Caligari]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

You are certainly justified in throwing my own words back at me....... but an old woman is not a legitimate threat to public order under any circumstances. If an old woman is making a disruption then any police officer or human being in their right mind would offer gentle assistance.

Now isn't that a bit ageist of you? You know deep down this old whore is a smelly godless socialist hippy who probably ran sound checks at Woodstock, so how you can defend this anti-American behavior is beyond me.



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[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by Caligari

Now isn't that a bit ageist of you? You know deep down this old whore is a smelly godless socialist hippy who probably ran sound checks at Woodstock, so how you can defend this anti-American behavior is beyond me.

Yes I believe special consideration should be shown to an 80 year old woman even if she is smelly, godless, socialist, hippy engaging in anti-American behavior. I would give her the benefit of the doubt and assume she was likely confused and suffering from dementia........ but what is your excuse?

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

I disagree with you on tactics but that's life. We'll see how it plays out at some point.

They have little direction and no common goals. They are spending way too much time trying to fight local governments and local police departments so they can camp out in city parks. This is useless. At the same time, the longer this continues the more support OWS will loose - Every time an OWS protester gets caught on video taking a crap outside, OWS looses support.

Take this to Washington DC, and fucking take over the Capital building. Make Congress take note. And continue to do this until Congress makes a commitment to force change. THEN, when they follow through and pass some half effort law in an attempt to pacify the general public, go back, do it again, and say "Nice try, but you failed, we need results".

Camping out in a public park outside of Wall Street isn't going to a damn thing. Wall Street isn't going to make the changes on their own.

I would love for this to take front and center stage in the next election.

[Caligari]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

Yes I believe special consideration should be shown to an 80 year old woman even if she is smelly, godless, socialist, hippy engaging in anti-American behavior. I would give her the benefit of the doubt and assume she was likely confused and suffering from dementia........ but what is your excuse?

And therein lies the problem with you knee jerk tea baggers. You always fall back on the same old perceptions and for all we know this "80 year old woman" might kick your ass in hand to hand street combat and send you cryin' for Ronny



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[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Caligari

And therein lies the problem with you knee jerk tea baggers. You always fall back on the same old perceptions and for all we know this "80 year old woman" might kick your ass in hand to hand street combat and send you cryin' for Ronny



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Errr... did you even look at his location, or read his posts? Do they have Tea Baggers there?

[Caligari]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Errr... did you even look at his location, or read his posts? Do they have Tea Baggers there?

Apparently



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[Anthony]

In lighter news. OWS HAS accomplished something!

Starbucks (SBUX -2.29%) loves to set up cafes in areas with heavy foot traffic. But its restrooms end up open to everyone as a result.

The company is getting a little tired of that in New York, according to news reports. So it's begun closing off some restrooms to everyone but employees.

http://money.msn.com/top-stocks/post...a-bfba35fa1f6b

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by Caligari

And therein lies the problem with you knee jerk tea baggers. You always fall back on the same old perceptions and for all we know this "80 year old woman" might kick your ass in hand to hand street combat and send you cryin' for Ronny



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when did you decide to go full out troll? You never used to be like this...

[TheSquealer]

So everyone is assuming the woman was targeted specifically? I seriously doubt a cop walked up to the old lady and pointed a tiny hand held can of pepper spray at her face and blasted her with it.

As usual, no description of the circumstances and clear account of what happened excactly... just an emotionally charged picture/title rousing the same people who love to call others "sheep"

[Caligari]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

when did you decide to go full out troll? You never used to be like this...

I beg to differ PR Glen. While that might be considered "trollesque," full out troll I keep in reserve like a fine wine such as a vintage Pouilly Ennui Fuissé.



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[WarChild]

Should have used a rubber bullets and a tazer on her hippy ass.

[Failed]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

So everyone is assuming the woman was targeted specifically? I seriously doubt a cop walked up to the old lady and pointed a tiny hand held can of pepper spray at her face and blasted her with it.

As usual, no description of the circumstances and clear account of what happened excactly... just an emotionally charged picture/title rousing the same people who love to call others "sheep"

As usual, the same people bitch about opinions made toward a situation with no description of circumstances and clear accounts of what exactly happened, but then make their own judgments like: "I seriously doubt a cop walked up to the old lady and pointed a tiny held can of pepper spray at her face and blaster her with it."

It must be scary inside your head

[VikingMan]

Looks more like grandma puked up her malox.

[Houdini]

Here's video:

[porno jew]

sucks but the bigger the crackdown the more the support both domestic and international will escalate and grow.

especially since this isn't the red brigades but people from all walks of life engaging in peaceful protest whose worst crime is some guy pooping in the street.

and face it while not everyone hates the government, EVERYONE hates the banks.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Failed

As usual, the same people bitch about opinions made toward a situation with no description of circumstances and clear accounts of what exactly happened, but then make their own judgments like: "I seriously doubt a cop walked up to the old lady and pointed a tiny held can of pepper spray at her face and blaster her with it."

It must be scary inside your head

I don't presume to know what happened. Of course its horrible that an old lady ended up getting maced and the police depts attitude about it is pretty deplorable and their comments insensitive. However, that doesn't mean it was intentional.

I did read the article to see if any hints were given as to how this could have possibly happened and there are none (shocker). Just an inflammatory title and emotionally charged photo... .leaving a bunch of people to carry on as if a cop walked right up to her and pointed mace at her and sprayed her in the face to be mean. I personally believe that's the least reasonable assumption. But hey, i'm not a juvenile acting out and trying to challenge authority anywhere and everywhere and anyway I can.

But hey, you guys just keep rambling on about Fox News or tea party people when you get cornered... that's really your only trick, since those who are upset most by this incident are those who typically dodge facts like a gazelle escaping a lion.

[TheSquealer]

Meanwhile, as a bunch of ineffectual hippies are out beating their drums and spitting at police like 6 year olds, its business as usual by those they should be protesting against:

"OUTRAGE OF THE DAY: Insider Trading In Congress

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily...08910.html?l=1

..... Yes, this behavior may be technically legal, because of an absurd loophole that some argue makes insider-trading rules not apply to Congress."

[Failed]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

But hey, you guys just keep rambling on about Fox News or tea party people when you get cornered... that's really your only trick, since those who are upset most by this incident are those who typically dodge facts like a gazelle escaping a lion.

I didn't mention Fox News or the Tea Party, I don't feel cornered, I'm not upset, and I'm not dodging facts. I'm simply stating that you came here to bitch about opinions made before all the facts of the case were made and then made an opinion without those facts yourself.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Failed

I didn't mention Fox News or the Tea Party, I don't feel cornered, I'm not upset, and I'm not dodging facts. I'm simply stating that you came here to bitch about opinions made before all the facts of the case were made and then made an opinion without those facts yourself.

Funny that his opinions match the video posted a few up. It's called common sense.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Failed

I didn't mention Fox News or the Tea Party, I don't feel cornered, I'm not upset, and I'm not dodging facts. I'm simply stating that you came here to bitch about opinions made before all the facts of the case were made and then made an opinion without those facts yourself.

You're confused. I said I had doubts about peoples assumptions. I don't know what happened. I don't presume to know what happened. What happened is horrible but that doesn't mean it was intentional or that there weren't extraordinary circumstances surrounding the event.

EDIT.. .i just noticed the videos: As the posted videos show, they weren't intentionally targeting old ladies and these people were warned to leave, to stop blocking traffic and streets etc and they wanted confrontation with police. They got it. End of story.

[Failed]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

You're confused. I said I had doubts about peoples assumptions. I don't know what happened. I don't presume to know what happened. What happened is horrible but that doesn't mean it was intentional or that there weren't extraordinary circumstances surrounding the event.

Actually, what you said that prompted my original response is quoted below. Nowhere in this statement do you question people's assumptions, you just make one of your own. Nowhere in this statement do you admit to not knowing what happened, you just seriously doubt it happened the way it's being described. Nowhere do you pretend not to presume to know what happened, you only seriously doubt it happened the way the picture depicts.

All of this before you saw the video. And I'm the one confused? Jesus Christ, it's written down man, all you have to do is scroll up.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

I seriously doubt a cop walked up to the old lady and pointed a tiny hand held can of pepper spray at her face and blasted her with it.

[Failed]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Funny that his opinions match the video posted a few up. It's called common sense.

Hey, that's great, you're entirely missing the point. But, that's expected.

He bitched about people making opinions before seeing the facts and made one of his own, before the video was posted.