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12clicks · 11-18-2011, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by nation-x

Educate yourself

http://alecexposed.org/wiki/ALEC_Exposed

why does the fringe imagine we need "educating" by other fringe wackos?

Anthony · 11-18-2011, 09:43 AM

Caption that pic.

nation-x · 11-18-2011, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

why does the fringe imagine we need "educating" by other fringe wackos?

I am not the fringe, first of all. Secondly, as much nonsense as you continually spout (nonsense because 90% of it is easily dis-proven), I would say you could certainly benefit from doing some research.

Rochard · 11-18-2011, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Failed

A tip of my hat to you, sir. I wasn't sure if you were smart enough to figure out that join date, post count, and a signature directly correlate with intelligence and trust, but you have!

I will go buy a map and figure out where Wall Street is in relation to Washington D.C. so that I'm able to see that a demonstration anywhere but in the Capital building is just a waste of time and will not accomplish anything.

Listen, thanks for taking time out of your night to explain these things to me. I'm better off and promise to be a better person going forward because of your generosity!

On this board, your join date is everything.

You say that protesting the Capital building won't change a thing, but this is in fact where the laws are made. The banks are making money; They don't want to change a thing. The change will have to come from Washington DC. All protest movements land in Washington in the end - that is the only place that can make change.

But it's kind of pointless. They have no message, no demands. With the war protests it was simple: "get out of Vietnam". With the civil rights movement it was also simple: "We want equal rights for everyone". OWS wants... What? For the banks to stop making money?

A lot of effort is being put out, but it's not directed any where at any thing. It's just a group of people saying "I'm unhappy".

nation-x · 11-18-2011, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

Pepper spraying girls in the face at point blank range... it separates the police from the violent protesters.

12clicks · 11-18-2011, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

Caption that pic.

a little pepper with your wine, madam?

Gouge · 11-18-2011, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by porno jew

you said the greek terror cell was the reason they picked nov 17th. you wont provide a link backing that claim. you said google it. i did. there is no proof of your claims. you are just lying or delusional. pretty obvious here.

Nope, i said they picked that day to pay homage to 17N, they clearly talk about it in the link i posted that goes to the message forums. Some of the first comments about the poster and the day go back 4-5 days before anyone really picked up on it. And posted 3 random comments out of the hundreds that show OWS supporters aren't so keen on the idea.

I love how you're so defense about something you don't even understand

12clicks · 11-18-2011, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by nation-x

I am not the fringe, first of all.

son, if you're getting your "education" from that fringe website, you ARE what you, uh..............learn?

nation-x · 11-18-2011, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

son, if you're getting your "education" from that fringe website, you ARE what you, uh..............learn?

Laugh all you want... the earth isn't flat... no matter how much you want it to be.

12clicks · 11-18-2011, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by nation-x

Laugh all you want... the earth isn't flat... no matter how much you want it to be.

you see, thats just it, son.
YOU think the earth is flat.
the intelligent aren't the ones protesting, they're the ones out making money.

nation-x · 11-18-2011, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

you see, thats just it, son.
YOU think the earth is flat.
the intelligent aren't the ones protesting, they're the ones out making money.

Unless you are at least 60 yo, I don't think you should be calling me son. I am 42.

Gouge · 11-18-2011, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

You have a serious comprehension problem...no wonder you can't understand the OWS protest movement (not that you appear to have made much of an effort).

The tanks represent the 1%, the people heading towards the tanks are the 99%.

Did you really not get that?

Look at the poster again...(Hint: Now think Tiananmen Square - get it?)

If the banks and corporate America that make up the 1% truly cared so much about the "everyday worker who is out there to work to pay bills and have food on their table", there would not be a growing movement for change.

Watch to the end...

For those that are not slaves to the 1%:

Peace and Love,

ADG

I clearly understand the Anti-Capitalist progressive fringe influenced OWS movement. But why are you quoting supporters of the OWS movement and claiming they are mine?

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[-]Bambi (Buffalo, NY) 0 points 3 days ago

NON violent yet you have army tanks on the poster? Isn't that hypercritical?

Taking down Wall Street, take the square, occupy the subways? All you are suggesting is that you want to hurt the 99% that work in offices and buildings on Wall Street, businesses surrounding the square and jamming up the subways so bad that the 99% can't get to work.

This is not a peaceful productive poster. It shows anger towards the every day worker who is out there to work to pay bills and have food on their table.

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Thats a single quote from a OWS supporter found HERE speaking out as to there dislike about the poster.

Lets talk about your comprehension problem, clearly you are the one who has a hard time understanding that the text in Italics are quotes from other people. You must have missed where it said her name (Bambi) where she was from (Buffalo, NY) and when the post was made (3 days ago) and yet someone you quoted me as saying it.

nation-x · 11-18-2011, 10:14 AM

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all (people) are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, government has are instituted among (people), deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government . . . Declaration of Independence

Congress shall make no law . . . abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. (Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression)

". . . those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable." - John F. Kennedy

EDIT: Weird... the board added 'ha' in a number of places

12clicks · 11-18-2011, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by nation-x

Unless you are at least 60 yo, I don't think you should be calling me son. I am 42.

You'd think you'd have learned more in that time.

Gouge · 11-18-2011, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

You'd think you'd have learned more in that time.

Quote for truth

nation-x · 11-18-2011, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

You'd think you'd have learned more in that time.

I have... I grew up in an evangelical Christian home with hardcore right winger parents. I thought I was a Republican until around 2003 when I started to see conservatism for what it really is. A mental disorder.

cykoe6 · 11-18-2011, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

The OWS signs to "Tear down capitalism" were pretty specific.

But, I wonder if they were referring to Obama crony capitalism, or Milton Friedman free market capitalism. Is that your dilemma?

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

Just keep watching FOX. As long as you're busy soaking in your tub of misinformation, the rest of the world will evolve around you.

Remember....... all information that supports the preferred narrative is "truth" and all information that contradicts the preferred narrative is "right wing propaganda".

Remember....... all left wing political violence and incitement is legitimate dissent and an understandable reaction to oppression and all right wing political violence and incitement is illegitimate, hateful and racist.

Remember....... giving government handouts to left wing activist groups and other preferred constituencies like green energy boondoggles is a legitimate function of government but giving tax breaks to businesses is outrageous crony capitalism and fascism.

Remember...... the OWS protesters are not Marxists just because they wave red flags and chant "smash capitalism" but all Tea Part members are hardcore racists because they are opposed to Obama and big government.

It is important to remember the ground rules if you are going to argue with the GFY red brigades.

Gouge · 11-18-2011, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by nation-x

I have... I grew up in an evangelical Christian home with hardcore right winger parents. I thought I was a Republican until around 2003 when I started to see conservatism for what it really is. A mental disorder.

Please tell us more of this sad story...

porno jew · 11-18-2011, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Gouge

Nope, i said they picked that day to pay homage to 17N, they clearly talk about it in the link i posted that goes to the message forums. Some of the first comments about the poster and the day go back 4-5 days before anyone really picked up on it. And posted 3 random comments out of the hundreds that show OWS supporters aren't so keen on the idea.

I love how you're so defense about something you don't even understand

i looked there is nothing. you are just lying. fuck off.

cykoe6 · 11-18-2011, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by nation-x

I have... I grew up in an evangelical Christian home with hardcore right winger parents. I thought I was a Republican until around 2003 when I started to see conservatism for what it really is. A mental disorder.

So you are just an overgrown teenager still angry and rebelling against your parents??? Could you be any more of a left wing stereotype? This whole affair is truly a battle between the responsible working adults and the spoiled rebellious children who feel entitled to material success without having to do any of the work required....... a sad state of affairs indeed.

Gouge · 11-18-2011, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by porno jew

i looked there is nothing. you are just lying. fuck off.

nation-x · 11-18-2011, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Gouge

Please tell us more of this sad story...

It's simple... you can't match the rhetoric of the Republican Party with it's actions. The majority of the debt is the direct result of Republican spending or tax cuts. Now, they bitch about the debt that they created.

Another example would be the complaints about "ObamaCare" and the individual mandate... a concept that is entirely their creation.

Another example would be the housing crisis where they blame Democrats but are 90% responsible. Newt Gingrich was pushing home ownership for low income minorities for years as a way to bring those voters into the Republican fold... now he claims the opposite.

THAT is what defines the Republican Party... BULLSHIT. They hold responsibility for the majority of the major scandals over the last 40 years... but if you ask any of them about it they will lie about it and claim it was something other than what it was. Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney are not flukes... they are a total reflection of the Republican Party and the conservative movement in general. FULL OF SHIT.

porno jew · 11-18-2011, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Gouge

post a simple link to back up your claim. how hard can that be?

nation-x · 11-18-2011, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6

So you are just an overgrown teenager still angry and rebelling against your parents??? Could you be any more of a left wing stereotype? This whole affair is truly a battle between the responsible working adults and the spoiled rebellious children who feel entitled to material success without having to do any of the work required....... a sad state of affairs indeed.

You certainly don't know me well enough to make those judgements... however, that is another character flaw that "conservatives" typically exhibit.

Gouge · 11-18-2011, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by porno jew

post a simple link to back up your claim. how hard can that be?

Already did 3 times, good luck hunting.

12clicks · 11-18-2011, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by nation-x

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all (people) are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Odd then that OWS is protesting for none of this

12clicks · 11-18-2011, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by nation-x

I have... I grew up in an evangelical Christian home with hardcore right winger parents. I thought I was a Republican until around 2003 when I started to see conservatism for what it really is. A mental disorder.

let me guess, 2003 was the year you realized you'd always be getting more from the government than you'll ever worry about putting in.

12clicks · 11-18-2011, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by nation-x

It's simple... you can't match the rhetoric of the Republican Party with it's actions. The majority of the debt is the direct result of Republican spending or tax cuts. Now, they bitch about the debt that they created.

facts point to fail

porno jew · 11-18-2011, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Gouge

Already did 3 times, good luck hunting.

thought you were lying now see you are just delusional / stupid.

nation-x · 11-18-2011, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

Odd then that OWS is protesting for none of this

That is where you are wrong... corporations weren't "endowed by their Creator [God]". Corporations are not people... they are business entities and should not be afforded the same protection as a citizen under the constitution. It only serves one purpose... to corrupt the political process for the purpose of profit. In my opinion, there is a parallel between the oppression of corporate control of our government against the people and the control of the king of England at the time that the Declaration of Independence was signed.

The SCOTUS treating them as people gives the people who control them an extra voice in the political process. Corporations don't take a shareholder vote to see which candidates to support OR which lobbyists to pay. Shareholders get their own vote and donation limit... why do they need an extra avenue to express that political opinion? Corporations should have no influence on the Democratic process... it's "We the People"... not "We the People and the wealthy who can control the political process through the capital power of their corporations".

nation-x · 11-18-2011, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

let me guess, 2003 was the year you realized you'd always be getting more from the government than you'll ever worry about putting in.

I don't get anything from the government other than roads, police protection, etc. See the statement I made earlier about the character flaw shared by conservatives... you are a shining example.

nation-x · 11-18-2011, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

facts point to fail

Show me the facts... I will show you how your facts are merely another example of how conservatives like to place their own failures on the lap of others.

12clicks · 11-18-2011, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by nation-x

I don't get anything from the government other than roads, police protection, etc. See the statement I made earlier about the character flaw shared by conservatives... you are a shining example.

yeah, you and snake doctor use the same false shield.

12clicks · 11-18-2011, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by nation-x

Show me the facts... I will show you how your facts are merely another example of how conservatives like to place their own failures on the lap of others.

note the politifact.com on the picture.

or as is typical of your kind, pretend its not there.

12clicks · 11-18-2011, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by nation-x

That is where you are wrong... corporations weren't "endowed by their Creator [God]". Corporations are not people... they are business entities and should not be afforded the same protection as a citizen under the constitution. It only serves one purpose... to corrupt the political process for the purpose of profit. In my opinion, there is a parallel between the oppression of corporate control of our government against the people and the control of the king of England at the time that the Declaration of Independence was signed.

The SCOTUS treating them as people gives the people who control them an extra voice in the political process. Corporations don't take a shareholder vote to see which candidates to support OR which lobbyists to pay. Shareholders get their own vote and donation limit... why do they need an extra avenue to express that political opinion? Corporations should have no influence on the Democratic process... it's "We the People"... not "We the People and the wealthy who can control the political process through the capital power of their corporations".

you leeches and the party you endorse created this.
don't tax corporations like they are people and you won't then have to treat them like people.
I'm in full agreement there but then your governmental teat would dry up that much more.

Gouge · 11-18-2011, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by porno jew

guess they were police agitators.

http://www.reddit.com/r/occupywallst...gate_violence/

Wrong again!

http://www.mediaite.com/online/media...reet-protests/

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/meet...occupy-a-desk/

You must love eating shit sandwiches.

Gouge · 11-18-2011, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by porno jew

thought you were lying now see you are just delusional / stupid.

You need to upgrade your armory of loquacious ammunition...what you're using right now is just not cutting it with the big boys.

nation-x · 11-18-2011, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

note the politifact.com on the picture.

or as is typical of your kind, pretend its not there.

See... the image didn't come from Politifact... so actually the joke is on you... What that political ad actually did was take a single statistic from this article:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-debt-accumul/

And distort what it said by using Debt vs. debt as a percentage of GDP.

nation-x · 11-18-2011, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

you leeches and the party you endorse created this.
don't tax corporations like they are people and you won't then have to treat them like people.
I'm in full agreement there but then your governmental teat would dry up that much more.

See... like I said... nonsense...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norris_Brown

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Brown was elected as a Republican to the United States Senate and served from March 4, 1907, to March 4, 1913. During his term he served as the chairman of the Committee on Patents (Sixty-first and Sixty-second Congresses). He proposed permitting an income tax, later incorporated into the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteen...f_wages.2C_etc.

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On June 16, 1909, President William Howard Taft, in an address to Congress, proposed a 2% federal income tax on corporations by way of an excise tax and a constitutional amendment to allow the previously enacted income tax.

Upon the privilege of doing business as an artificial entity and of freedom from a general partnership liability enjoyed by those who own the stock.

An income tax amendment to the Constitution was first proposed by Senator Norris Brown of Nebraska. He submitted two proposals, Senate Resolutions Nos. 25 and 39. The amendment proposal finally accepted was Senate Joint Resolution No. 40, introduced by Senator Nelson W. Aldrich of Rhode Island, the Senate majority leader and Finance Committee Chairman.

12clicks · 11-18-2011, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by nation-x

See... the image didn't come from Politifact... so actually the joke is on you... What that political ad actually did was take a single statistic from this article:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-debt-accumul/

And distort what it said by using Debt vs. debt as a percentage of GDP.

sorry shitstain, only you mistook a smiling obama and 15 trillion in debt as other than a political ad.

and there is no distortion, silly boy.
here is a cut and paste:

Reagan: Up 14.9 percentage points
George H.W. Bush: Up 7.1 percentage points
Clinton: Down 13.4 percentage points
George W. Bush: Up 5.6 percentage points
Obama: Up 21.9 percentage points (through December 2010 only)

So by this measurement -- potentially a more important one -- Obama is the undisputed debt king of the last five presidents

take note that we're now in nov. of 2011 so obama's number will now be even higher.

nation-x · 11-18-2011, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

sorry shitstain, only you mistook a smiling obama and 15 trillion in debt as other than a political ad.

and there is no distortion, silly boy.
here is a cut and paste:

Reagan: Up 14.9 percentage points
George H.W. Bush: Up 7.1 percentage points
Clinton: Down 13.4 percentage points
George W. Bush: Up 5.6 percentage points
Obama: Up 21.9 percentage points (through December 2010 only)

So by this measurement -- potentially a more important one -- Obama is the undisputed debt king of the last five presidents

take note that we're now in nov. of 2011 so obama's number will now be even higher.

It's a distortion because quite a bit of the $4.5 Trillion that has been added to the debt since Obama has taken office is ongoing financial commitments made by the Bush Administration. Obama HAS added to the debt... but not nearly as much as Bush and the Republican controlled congress did from 2000 to 2006. We can go over the number as well if you like... but anything else you say about it will probably be nonsense as well.

12clicks · 11-18-2011, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by nation-x

See... like I said... nonsense...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norris_Brown

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteen...f_wages.2C_etc.

a 2% excise tax on corporations is not the same as a 35% income tax, otherwise, the supreme court would have given personhood to trucks too.

nice try though.

12clicks · 11-18-2011, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by nation-x

It's a distortion because quite a bit of the $4.5 Trillion that has been added to the debt since Obama has taken office is ongoing financial commitments made by the Bush Administration. Obama HAS added to the debt... but not nearly as much as Bush and the Republican controlled congress did from 2000 to 2006. We can go over the number as well if you like... but anything else you say about it will probably be nonsense as well.

sorry, the facts (posted above) say otherwise.
obama could have cut governmental spending. he did not, he inflated it.
the end.

Sly · 11-18-2011, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

sorry, the facts (posted above) say otherwise.
obama could have cut governmental spending. he did not, he inflated it.
the end.

My dad is much more liberal than I am. In regards to finances, unions, etc.

The other day we were driving through town and went past a whole slew of road construction projects. Big ones. Almost immediately after we were discussing how the state was broke. He looks over and says "you know... all of this is great... but I really wonder more and more, who is going to pay for this stuff and when do we stop?"

I also have my theory on how the older generations (60+) have screwed the younger generations... but we'll cover that a different day I suppose...

12clicks · 11-18-2011, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

My dad is much more liberal than I am. In regards to finances, unions, etc.

The other day we were driving through town and went past a whole slew of road construction projects. Big ones. Almost immediately after we were discussing how the state was broke. He looks over and says "you know... all of this is great... but I really wonder more and more, who is going to pay for this stuff and when do we stop?"

I also have my theory on how the older generations (60+) have screwed the younger generations... but we'll cover that a different day I suppose...

right. the government has squandered all of our money AND credit.
during that time, we've allowed 50% of our ADULT population to stop paying income tax.
our government explained that we didn't have to save for a rainy day.
and now its raining.

Barry-xlovecam · 11-18-2011, 12:30 PM

My paternal grandfather came to NYC in 1911 -- he was 11 years old and came from Czarist Russia. Louis pushed a cart in the streets of NYC peddling new men's socks and underwear. He bought his own pushcart and some inventory and became his own boss in a few years.

He became a pattern cutter in the NYC Garment district. He ended up owning a factory that made high-end lady's sportswear.
He retired in 1948 at 49 years old.

What is OWS about?

It's should be about really having a fair shake in America like America gave my Grandfather.

There is little left of the garment district in NYC. The jobs making clothing and cloth in the textile mills in the south -- those jobs were not the best but they helped America become great -- those jobs are gone and the semi-skilled to skilled jobs that the aspiring lower middle class needed to get ahead are mostly gone now.

FDR sold the "New Deal" maybe the OWS should be selling the "Fair Deal" a chance to make it -- the same thing that brought my Grandfather to Ellis Island ...

30K yesterday in just NYC marching , the estimated 700K watching world-wide and the mainstream media was not covering the "events" live -- why? Who owns TV and Cable ...

porno jew · 11-18-2011, 12:33 PM

yes it great to watch the ustream kids live feeds. totally different that the non-stop smears from the msm. you see the majority of protesters are just average decent people who don't like where their country and world is right now.

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

My paternal grandfather came to NYC in 1911 -- he was 11 years old and came from Czarist Russia. Louis pushed a cart in the streets of NYC peddling new men's socks and underwear. He bought his own pushcart and some inventory and became his own boss in a few years.

He became a pattern cutter in the NYC Garment district. He ended up owning a factory that made high-end lady's sportswear.
He retired in 1948 at 49 years old.

What is OWS about?

It's should be about really having a fair shake in America like America gave my Grandfather.

There is little left of the garment district in NYC. The jobs making clothing and cloth in the textile mills in the south -- those jobs were not the best but they helped America become great -- those jobs are gone and the semi-skilled to skilled jobs that the aspiring lower middle class needed to get ahead are mostly gone now.

FDR sold the "New Deal" maybe the OWS should be selling the "Fair Deal" a chance to make it -- the same thing that brought my Grandfather to Ellis Island ...

30K yesterday in just NYC marching , the estimated 700K watching world-wide and the mainstream media was not covering the "events" live -- why? Who owns TV and Cable ...

nation-x · 11-18-2011, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

right. the government has squandered all of our money AND credit.
during that time, we've allowed 50% of our ADULT population to stop paying income tax.
our government explained that we didn't have to save for a rainy day.
and now its raining.

and why exactly is it that 50% of Americans don't pay income tax? Is it because of the Earned Income Credit? I would say it's the number one reason... wouldn't you? Maybe the next would be the Home mortgage interest deduction?

12clicks · 11-18-2011, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by nation-x

and why exactly is it that 50% of Americans don't pay income tax? Is it because of the Earned Income Credit? I would say it's the number one reason... wouldn't you? Maybe the next would be the Home mortgage interest deduction?

uh, no. its because we've decided that these adults should be treated like children and not pay the 33% everyone else pays. oh wait, only our best pay that much.
we have a sliding idiot scale where the less able you are, the less you have to pay.
sadly, we've allowed much of our adult population to pass as grown children who can't pay their way.

the earned income tax credit is a gift from the government.
when you give the government $1000.00 and the government gives you $1500, you did not EARN any tax credit nor did you pay taxes so don't go patting yourself on the back when you check box that credit

12clicks · 11-18-2011, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

My paternal grandfather came to NYC in 1911 -- he was 11 years old and came from Czarist Russia. Louis pushed a cart in the streets of NYC peddling new men's socks and underwear. He bought his own pushcart and some inventory and became his own boss in a few years.

He became a pattern cutter in the NYC Garment district. He ended up owning a factory that made high-end lady's sportswear.
He retired in 1948 at 49 years old.

What is OWS about?

It's should be about really having a fair shake in America like America gave my Grandfather.

There is little left of the garment district in NYC. The jobs making clothing and cloth in the textile mills in the south -- those jobs were not the best but they helped America become great -- those jobs are gone and the semi-skilled to skilled jobs that the aspiring lower middle class needed to get ahead are mostly gone now.

FDR sold the "New Deal" maybe the OWS should be selling the "Fair Deal" a chance to make it -- the same thing that brought my Grandfather to Ellis Island ...

30K yesterday in just NYC marching , the estimated 700K watching world-wide and the mainstream media was not covering the "events" live -- why? Who owns TV and Cable ...

your grandfather would be embarrassed by your support of ows.

for every protester begging for a handout, there's someone like your grandfather working his way to the top.

back in 1911 there was no income tax, no unemployment benefits, no welfare, standard oil was a bigger, more powerful monopoly than ANYTHING we have now, the list goes on and on yet you think today's beggars (uh, protesters) have it hard but your grandfather had a fair shake?
wow

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11-18-2011, 10:14 AM	#113
nation-x Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 5,370	We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all (people) are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, government has are instituted among (people), deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government . . . Declaration of Independence Congress shall make no law . . . abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. (Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression) ". . . those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable." - John F. Kennedy EDIT: Weird... the board added 'ha' in a number of places Last edited by nation-x; 11-18-2011 at 10:17 AM..

11-18-2011, 12:30 PM	#146
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	My paternal grandfather came to NYC in 1911 -- he was 11 years old and came from Czarist Russia. Louis pushed a cart in the streets of NYC peddling new men's socks and underwear. He bought his own pushcart and some inventory and became his own boss in a few years. He became a pattern cutter in the NYC Garment district. He ended up owning a factory that made high-end lady's sportswear. He retired in 1948 at 49 years old. What is OWS about? It's should be about really having a fair shake in America like America gave my Grandfather. There is little left of the garment district in NYC. The jobs making clothing and cloth in the textile mills in the south -- those jobs were not the best but they helped America become great -- those jobs are gone and the semi-skilled to skilled jobs that the aspiring lower middle class needed to get ahead are mostly gone now. FDR sold the "New Deal" maybe the OWS should be selling the "Fair Deal" a chance to make it -- the same thing that brought my Grandfather to Ellis Island ... 30K yesterday in just NYC marching , the estimated 700K watching world-wide and the mainstream media was not covering the "events" live -- why? Who owns TV and Cable ...