Lawley happy with buy.xxx performance...read the comments

[tonyparra]

Sorrry if already posted here:

http://www.thedomains.com/2011/11/25...0000-visitors/

Who is Ann?

[Nikki_Licks]

Thanks for the info.

On another note, piss on lawley. I hope he chokes on his next meal.....

[u-Bob]

Looks like they inflated their alexa with popup and popunder traffic.

[Solace]

Nothing about .XXX seems legit

[stocktrader23]

Everyone that is diehard against .xxx is going to be severely disappointed in the near future. Think back to the ruckus about tubes and how many would never associate with those sites, much less own one themselves.

I have no interest in .xxx, I am just saying. Gonna be sad / mad soon.

[Solace]

I'm a lot more worried about my .com's in relation to .xxx than anything

[DotXXX]

Posted this in another thread, but - it's been a successful ad campaign so far. Since tv ad spots began in earnest on Thursday, registrars are reporting a surge in pre-orders for General Availability.

[baddog]

I love how he posts a link to the bestiality commercial and it is to something different. They only have two of them listed and neither are the ones I saw.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by DotXXX

Posted this in another thread, but - it's been a successful ad campaign so far. Since tv ad spots began in earnest on Thursday, registrars are reporting a surge in pre-orders for General Availability.

Never been a shortage of suckers, morons and asshole.

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

Everyone that is diehard against .xxx is going to be severely disappointed in the near future. Think back to the ruckus about tubes and how many would never associate with those sites, much less own one themselves.

There's a huge difference between the tube situation and dotxxx. There was a direct incentive for webmasters to deliver content in a tube format because it resulted in higher traffic (surfers were already familiar with the concept (youtube etc), it allowed surfers to watch clips without downloading them first etc,...).

What incentive is there for webmasters to use a .xxx domain instead of their .com domains? none.
Will millions of previously nonexistent surfers appear out of nowhere and start visiting dotxxx sites? I doubt it.
Will surfers be more inclined to spend money on a membership to a dotxxx site instead of a .com site? I doubt it.
Is it more risky to use a dotxxx domain than a .com domain? Yes. Use of a dotxxx domain is subject to IFFOR rules and there's no way of knowing what those maybe in the future.
Are dotxxx domains cheaper than .com domains? On the contrary, they cost at least 10 times what a dotxxx domain costs.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

There's a huge difference between the tube situation and dotxxx. There was a direct incentive for webmasters to deliver content in a tube format because it resulted in higher traffic (surfers were already familiar with the concept (youtube etc), it allowed surfers to watch clips without downloading them first etc,...).

What incentive is there for webmasters to use a .xxx domain instead of their .com domains? none.
Will millions of previously nonexistent surfers appear out of nowhere and start visiting dotxxx sites? I doubt it.
Will surfers be more inclined to spend money on a membership to a dotxxx site instead of a .com site? I doubt it.
Is it more risky to use a dotxxx domain than a .com domain? Yes. Use of a dotxxx domain is subject to IFFOR rules and there's no way of knowing what those maybe in the future.
Are dotxxx domains cheaper than .com domains? On the contrary, they cost at least 10 times what a dotxxx domain costs.

Sponsors will be wary of putting their income generating sites on .xxx (standalone) but affiliates will be using the shit out of them. Sponsors will stockpile them too, I assure you. If half the industry won't do it that just leaves more names for the other half to stockpile.

.xxx is not .info and many will feel stupid for ignoring it. (Most aren't, just publicly denouncing.)

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

Sponsors will be wary of putting their income generating sites on .xxx (standalone) but affiliates will be using the shit out of them. Sponsors will stockpile them too, I assure you. If half the industry won't do it that just leaves more names for the other half to stockpile.

.xxx is not .info and many will feel stupid for ignoring it. (Most aren't, just publicly denouncing.)

Several people have already mentioned the similarities between the .xxx tld (ICM fueled) 'hype' and the .mobi tld hype. People jumped on .mobi, bought lots of domains... and are now letting them drop. Add the fact that .xxx domains cost 10 times as much as .mobi domains and the possibility of .sex and .porn waiting around the corner and the future of .xxx isn't as certain anymore.

The .mobi hype was fueled by tech bloggers and the fact that the mobile market was growing fast. Yet, despite a growing mobile market, .mobi failed.

The .xxx (wannabe)-hype is fueled purely by the ICM. ICM is throwing millions of advertising dollars at it. They already spent a huge amount on getting the tld approved by ICANN. The potential market for .xxx domains is a lot smaller than the market for .mobi domains. .Xxx domains are a lot more expensive at a time the number of companies in adult is declining.

Will ICM be able to sell .xxx domains? Yes, they will. Will all those .xxx domains still be renewed 3 or 4 years from now? I doubt it.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

Several people have already mentioned the similarities between the .xxx tld (ICM fueled) 'hype' and the .mobi tld hype. People jumped on .mobi, bought lots of domains... and are now letting them drop. Add the fact that .xxx domains cost 10 times as much as .mobi domains and the possibility of .sex and .porn waiting around the corner and the future of .xxx isn't as certain anymore.

The .mobi hype was fueled by tech bloggers and the fact that the mobile market was growing fast. Yet, despite a growing mobile market, .mobi failed.

The .xxx (wannabe)-hype is fueled purely by the ICM. ICM is throwing millions of advertising dollars at it. They already spent a huge amount on getting the tld approved by ICANN. The potential market for .xxx domains is a lot smaller than the market for .mobi domains. .Xxx domains are a lot more expensive at a time the number of companies in adult is declining.

Will ICM be able to sell .xxx domains? Yes, they will. Will all those .xxx domains still be renewed 3 or 4 years from now? I doubt it.

.mobi is a stupid ass extension. .xxx makes perfect sense. Will blondecamcuties.xxx be around in 4 years? Maybe, maybe not but it won't be an unheard of extension once some heavy traffic companies get sites online.

[stocktrader23]

For the record I haven't even looked at a single .xxx domain registration page. I just see searches like free webcams xxx becoming more popular, Google preferring .xxx for adult searches and things like that to be coming in the near future. If I find some awesome name I'll buy it but judging from past extensions I bet that won't happen.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by DotXXX

Posted this in another thread, but - it's been a successful ad campaign so far. Since tv ad spots began in earnest on Thursday, registrars are reporting a surge in pre-orders for General Availability.

Like you would say anything else.

Where did you advertise?

How many of the buyers were experienced webmasters running successful sites?

How many were domain buyers looking to cash in?



If you were adverting outside porn, the traffic was surfers and conversion would of made Pornhub traffic look like gold dust.

Unless the sites rebill, you have a one off sale.

Unless the business picks up on buying dotxxx, brokers won't be able to give the domains away.

Let's face it the big fish with their names protected by copyright will crush anyone who buys a dotxxx with their name in. The small fish are being gobbled up by the day.

You arrived 5-6 years too late. The time to milk the online porn cow was 2005. Trying to milk it now is a waste of time. Yes maybe a few bought, but without rebills. You have a turkey. In fact not even a turkey, they're big, fat and full of meat. You have a dud.

As u-Bob points out, if you're successful. Then we will all have to buy .sex .porn .smut and any other TLD that can be dreamed up.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Like you would say anything else.

Where did you advertise?

How many of the buyers were experienced webmasters running successful sites?

How many were domain buyers looking to cash in?



If you were adverting outside porn, the traffic was surfers and conversion would of made Pornhub traffic look like gold dust.

Unless the sites rebill, you have a one off sale.

Unless the business picks up on buying dotxxx, brokers won't be able to give the domains away.

Let's face it the big fish with their names protected by copyright will crush anyone who buys a dotxxx with their name in. The small fish are being gobbled up by the day.

You arrived 5-6 years too late. The time to milk the online porn cow was 2005. Trying to milk it now is a waste of time. Yes maybe a few bought, but without rebills. You have a turkey. In fact not even a turkey, they're big, fat and full of meat. You have a dud.

As u-Bob points out, if you're successful. Then we will all have to buy .sex .porn .smut and any other TLD that can be dreamed up.

Paul, people buy the premium keywords of EVERY extension. There is enough business just in those to start your own TLD if you can afford it.

Also, .xxx is different from every other TLD in the fact that it actually makes sense and is easy to remember. If you are looking for small tits porn right now you would go to smalltits.com but smalltits.info isn't even on your radar. As .xxx gains more exposure you may very well hit smalltits.com still but it would also make sense to check smalltits.xxx since the extension is set aside specifically for porn.

I'm just going to say that a lot here are going to be very stunned at .xxx results. Stunned.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

Several people have already mentioned the similarities between the .xxx tld (ICM fueled) 'hype' and the .mobi tld hype. People jumped on .mobi, bought lots of domains... and are now letting them drop. Add the fact that .xxx domains cost 10 times as much as .mobi domains and the possibility of .sex and .porn waiting around the corner and the future of .xxx isn't as certain anymore.

The .mobi hype was fueled by tech bloggers and the fact that the mobile market was growing fast. Yet, despite a growing mobile market, .mobi failed.

The .xxx (wannabe)-hype is fueled purely by the ICM. ICM is throwing millions of advertising dollars at it. They already spent a huge amount on getting the tld approved by ICANN. The potential market for .xxx domains is a lot smaller than the market for .mobi domains. .Xxx domains are a lot more expensive at a time the number of companies in adult is declining.

Will ICM be able to sell .xxx domains? Yes, they will. Will all those .xxx domains still be renewed 3 or 4 years from now? I doubt it.

mobi failed simply because it was not needed. no one needed a .mobi domain to have a mobile site. and much like .xxx no one needs a .xxx domain to run a porn site. icm seems to have a better grip on getting the word out there than mobi did. .mobi never had any kind of television campaign that i can remember but in the end its just another "extra" that no one really needs.

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

If you are looking for small tits porn right now you would go to smalltits.com but smalltits.info isn't even on your radar. As .xxx gains more exposure you may very well hit smalltits.com still but it would also make sense to check smalltits.xxx since the extension is set aside specifically for porn.

You're assuming surfers know what the location/address bar is for and that they try whatevertheyarelookingfor.tld instead of using a search engine.

We're seeing more and more people that have no idea what the location bar is for and will type a url in the google search box if they want to visit it.

There's also a trend to start using the location bar as a search bar. Firefox for example has a domain guessing feature. You type a keyword in the location bar and it slaps on the .com suffix (if you have keyword search disabled, otherwise it just goes to google search).

Personally, I think that the whole idea that people will somehow start visiting themicronichetheyarelookingfor.xxx instead of doing a search for "the micro niche they are looking for" is .xxx wishful thinking or marketing talk.

Besides, if the whole value of .xxx domains is their typein potential then only keywords.xxx have any 'value', brands.com might as well keep using their .com

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

mobi failed simply because it was not needed. no one needed a .mobi domain to have a mobile site. and much like .xxx no one needs a .xxx domain to run a porn site. icm seems to have a better grip on getting the word out there than mobi did. .mobi never had any kind of television campaign that i can remember but in the end its just another "extra" that no one really needs.

Exactly. There's no need for a .xxx tld. And all the money ICM is spending (TV ads, race boats etc) will only empty their war chest faster

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

Everyone that is diehard against .xxx is going to be severely disappointed in the near future. Think back to the ruckus about tubes and how many would never associate with those sites, much less own one themselves.

I have no interest in .xxx, I am just saying. Gonna be sad / mad soon.

I have to say tubes are a completely different scenario as their effect on our biz was because of a consumer driven market shift. The customers went there so we had to, much like galleries. I could be wrong but I see .xxx going the way of so many other TLDs where they exist and suceed but are always second tier to .coms.

.com = kleenex
.anything else =store brand

both will sell to someone and in some cases both will be made by kleenex and in some the strength of the brand will do fine without it.

The biggest threat to .coms in my opinion is the overall threat that f-commerce (facebook/social) brings verses e-commerce (the web). Look around now, you login into FB's backend and jump right to other services'/products' back-ends' seamlessly thus circumventing their .coms all together.

My plan (not with adult necessarily) is to dev your f-commerce and e-commerce channels to be functional and brand identical. That way when .com and .everything goes away as it will one day you are one step ahead and ready for the next thing.

[Yanks_Todd]

why was .mobi four characters? That always blew my mind. .m would have been the way to go. Remember this was before typing on your phone was easy.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

You're assuming surfers know what the location/address bar is for and that they try whatevertheyarelookingfor.tld instead of using a search engine.

We're seeing more and more people that have no idea what the location bar is for and will type a url in the google search box if they want to visit it.

There's also a trend to start using the location bar as a search bar. Firefox for example has a domain guessing feature. You type a keyword in the location bar and it slaps on the .com suffix (if you have keyword search disabled, otherwise it just goes to google search).

Personally, I think that the whole idea that people will somehow start visiting themicronichetheyarelookingfor.xxx instead of doing a search for "the micro niche they are looking for" is .xxx wishful thinking or marketing talk.

Besides, if the whole value of .xxx domains is their typein potential then only keywords.xxx have any 'value', brands.com might as well keep using their .com

I am fully aware of how people search. Buckle your seatbelt and let's find out together. I strongly believe that you are 100% wrong when saying .xxx will be another secondary TLD. That is all.

And I'm sorry but I could brand the fuck out of webcams.xxx . Surfers might type a keyword when looking for the domain but that doesn't mean they don't now what the url bar does, they just find it easier to bounce through an auto redirect. If they want webcams.xxx and webcams points them elsewhere they'll either put webcams xxx or webcams.xxx and move on with their browsing.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

I have to say tubes are a completely different scenario as their effect on our biz was because of a consumer driven market shift. The customers went there so we had to, much like galleries. I could be wrong but I see .xxx going the way of so many other TLDs where they exist and suceed but are always second tier to .coms.

.com = kleenex
.anything else =store brand

And I have a feeling that .xxx with be the kleenex of porn. There are going to be a lot of traffic diversions come December 6th when everyone can polish off their new brand and .xxx awareness will be unlike any other secondary TLD before it. Skinnygirls.com = domain squatter and not clear on the subject. All you can expect from skinnygirls.xxx is XXX RATED material of skinny ass girls.

We shall see, but I would wager on those with your thought process being very upset in the near future.

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

And I have a feeling that .xxx with be the kleenex of porn. There are going to be a lot of traffic diversions come December 6th when everyone can polish off their new brand and .xxx awareness will be unlike any other secondary TLD before it. Skinnygirls.com = domain squatter and not clear on the subject. All you can expect from skinnygirls.xxx is XXX RATED material of skinny ass girls.

We shall see, but I would wager on those with your thought process being very upset in the near future.

I hope not, but it certainly isn't an impossibility. I won't argue your logic though as it is sound.

My thought process is this, just an FYI as I like to hear myself type.

I reserved the .xxx of my top domains 8 months ago or whatever. I won't lie I wanted to think it over a bit. FYI, all my high value domains are 95% type-in and search engine traffic.

So I started thinking, take Yanks.com for instance. I don't own the trademark on it and can't, the NY Yankees and America trumps me there. So if I bought it would I roll the dice and start re-branding towards that TLD or just sit on it?

If I sat on it and .xxx never took off I wasted my money and supported a shitty cause. If I own it and don't re-brand my efforts towards it fully and the SE or governments make .xxx mandatory I am screwed anyway as my SE traffic is 15 years old in some cases and not something I think I can rebuild in this enviroment.

I also sell high quality niche content, therefore no squatter is going to snag yanks.xxx and "replace" the brand. They could be an affiliate and push traffic I suppose. But in that case I get choose whether to allow that and if push came to shove I would work out a much "fairer" deal for myself then standard affiliate rates. More of a licensing agreement.

So in the end I thought the bet I was making was on an additional channel of which others like it have historically failed.

Lastly, I also think TLDs will go crazy, .porn, .sex, etc. etc. No doubt .xxx is probably the best, however do you buy them all, just in case.

So while your thoughts are sound in the case of many brands, I think buying .xxx for my brand is a waste of money and a selling of my soul and I am out.

[magicmike]

Okay, record amounts of quality .com adult names are being dropped everyday now and are not being renewed, so why would I need a .xxx

[FetishWeb]

Originally Posted by magicmike

Okay, record amounts of quality .com adult names are being dropped everyday now and are not being renewed, so why would I need a .xxx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_u...inty_and_doubt

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by magicmike

Okay, record amounts of quality .com adult names are being dropped everyday now and are not being renewed, so why would I need a .xxx

Which is a clear sign they got in too late. The bubble has burst. The parties over. The official theme songs for online porn.

[shade001]

I don't trust the people involved wit .xxx. PERIOD. Therefore I won't be doing business with them. Period.

[DotXXX]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

There are going to be a lot of traffic diversions come December 6th when everyone can polish off their new brand and .xxx awareness will be unlike any other secondary TLD before it.

No other TLD has ever had an advertising budget set aside specifically to assist in driving traffic to benefit their customers either. That alone sets us apart.

[georgeyw]

Originally Posted by DotXXX

No other TLD has ever had an advertising budget set aside specifically to assist in driving traffic to benefit their customers either. That alone sets us apart.

That is ONLY because you are charging a ludicrous amount for registration of domains.

I hope you have to eat a big shit sandwich in 12 months time when this all goes belly up.

[Loki]

Originally Posted by DotXXX

No other TLD has ever had an advertising budget set aside specifically to assist in driving traffic to benefit their customers either. That alone sets us apart.

And NO respectful 'adult' company would FLOOD multiple cable stations during a holiday weekend during the times CHILDREN are watching those same stations with commercial spots for a 'product' that is supposedly ONLY FOR PORN!

I loathed the Idea of .xxx for some time now, but after spending the holiday weekend working and watching TV with my daughters and seeing those ads every few comm breaks I am 100% more angry about .xxx then I was before!

People are RIGHT not to like/trust .xxx it's nothing more then a cash grab, fear tactics and over inflated prices (even high charges to "OPT OUT") as a company you're talking out of both sides of your mouths, while you say .xxx with further protect kids from "finding porn" and then you run TV spots WHEN KIDS ARE WATCHING!

And the ads themselves are vague enough that most computer savvy 'kids' will go pop up the addy. for a product that is supposed to be for "us" WHY have THOSE ads??

A dog buying a .xxx a sheep herder a gang??? what the hell do those things have to do with the porn industry? (and don't give me any tongue in cheek bullshit) and it also was not funny in the least.

and lets not forget the two diff 'tag lines' "Stake your claim before someone else does" & "Buy YOUR name before someone else does"

-Loki-

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Loki

And NO respectful 'adult' company would FLOOD multiple cable stations during a holiday weekend during the times CHILDREN are watching those same stations with commercial spots for a 'product' that is supposedly ONLY FOR PORN!

Good point. I know when I saw the commercials for the first time I immediately looked over at the clock, figuring it must be after 12 because GGW used to run ads on Comedy Central in the same time slot. It was after 10, before 12.

I have been seeing them more frequently now and they do not seem to give a damn about the time slot.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by DotXXX

No other TLD has ever had an advertising budget set aside specifically to assist in driving traffic to benefit their customers either. That alone sets us apart.

and APART YOU ARE !!!!!

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by JFK

and APART YOU ARE !!!!!

[Loki]

Originally Posted by baddog

Good point. I know when I saw the commercials for the first time I immediately looked over at the clock, figuring it must be after 12 because GGW used to run ads on Comedy Central in the same time slot. It was after 10, before 12.

I have been seeing them more frequently now and they do not seem to give a damn about the time slot.

I forget which channel it was, but over the weekend either Spike or FX ran a Stars Wars marathon, it started in the morning and ran pretty much all day, my oldest (11) wanted to watch it in my office so I let her, ALL DAY I heard / saw those TV Spots, so yeah they DEFF did not care about the time slots, I saw them as early as noon, and oddly enough they seemed to STOP after midnight (or maybe I changed the channel lol)

I do know the spots ran on BOTH Spike and FX, I'm also ALMOST certain I saw an ad or two run during TNA Thursday night (love me my male soap operas lol) and THAT show's target demo just like WWE's RAW are KIDS WHO BUY THE TOYS (adults too, but more kids buy the toys and merch then adults)

so.... exactly WHO was this 'massive' ad campaign geared to again???

-Loki-

[epitome]

ICM is showing their true colors.

I hope Manwin is paying attention to all of this.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

Everyone that is diehard against .xxx is going to be severely disappointed in the near future. Think back to the ruckus about tubes and how many would never associate with those sites, much less own one themselves.

I have no interest in .xxx, I am just saying. Gonna be sad / mad soon.

LOL. You might just be right.

[Solace]

Originally Posted by Rochard

LOL. You might just be right.

It's a censorship ploy, the most amount of people possible will be disappointed

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by DotXXX

No other TLD has ever had an advertising budget set aside specifically to assist in driving traffic to benefit their customers either. That alone sets us apart.

And where you spent it was a waste of money. If surfers see the ads, go to your site they think "No porn here."

So they read your glowing report of what the TLD means to them. And then go to the good old .com sites to get their porn.

You need us to take up the TLD in a massive way to make it work. Not surfers looking for free porn, advertising to them is a waste of money.

Originally Posted by Loki

And NO respectful 'adult' company would FLOOD multiple cable stations during a holiday weekend during the times CHILDREN are watching those same stations with commercial spots for a 'product' that is supposedly ONLY FOR PORN!

And no disrespectful porn company would throw their money away in such a pointless way either. With people at the top making these decisions I would get your CV up to date.

The rest of his post was spot on as well.

[FlexxAeon]

nevermind

[tonyparra]

Originally Posted by FlexxAeon

nevermind

one with the panda?