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A poll commissioned by Revolution PAC, a super PAC supporting Texas Rep. Ron Paul?s candidacy for president, shows that Paul is in first place in Iowa.

Preliminary results posted on the PAC?s website show Paul leading with 25-percent support from Republicans, independents and disaffected Democrats. Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich scored at 21 percent and businessman Herman Cain at 20 percent.

Among Republicans only, the poll shows Paul and Cain tied at 22 percent, followed by Gingrich at 21 percent. The full results will be released Wednesday, but will not include opinions sampled after Tuesday night?s CNN foreign policy debate in Washington, D.C.

Earlier this month, two Iowa polls found Paul in second place. A Bloomberg poll found Paul in a statistical four-way tie for first place, at 19 percent, and an Iowa State University poll found him trailing only Cain, at 20.4 percent.

Political observers have suggested Paul could win in Iowa as a result of socially conservative voters being split between several candidates.

The poll was conducted by TeleResearch, with a sample size of 2,900 and a margin of error of +/- 3 percentage points. A total of 700 likely Republican caucus-goers were included in the sample.

http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/22/re...-in-iowa-poll/

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glamourmodels

A vote for Cain is a vote for Obama. Herman Cain simply cant win. He has zero support among Independents where the real political power lies. Same goes for all the other GOP candidates. Ron Paul has massive support among Indies.

Face it, your choice is Ron Paul or Obama. Take it or leave it.

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paul has no real world experience. aside from giving underage girls abortions.

glamourmodels

Coup, why do you post a photo of Mitt Romney? I don't need a used car, thanks anyway-

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glamourmodels

I would disagree with that characterization but either way it still comes back down to how bad do you want to be rid of Obama. If you are really so stupid to think that women of this country are going to vote for a serial molester you are pretty out of touch. For the record while I dont condone that kind of behavior if it's true, I would prefer to stick to the issues, not that crap but tell that to women. Either way no one else besides Ron Paul can get support from Independents and whether you personally like it or not you need them plain and simple.

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mafia_man

Romney is going to win.

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i would trust hermain cain making my pizza more than ron paul.

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The only thing Romney will win is an audition for a "Just for Men" commercial.

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mafia_man

Romney will win because he's a corporate spokesman not a right wing hack. He's not radical, he doesn't over promise and he has been consistant in the polls unlike the rest of them.

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glamourmodels

That works out well then since after this is all over, the only job Cain will be able to get is a job delivering pizza.

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If Ron Paul gets elected, this country is officially done. We just elected someone who said nothing but "hope" and "change", because of his skin color and because he was the polar opposite of Bush Jr... who's done nothing to lead unless you count repeating incessantly "nothing is my fault, its all Republicans that cause all problems and won't let me fix them" as leading. In that case, he's outstanding as a leader.

Electing a fringe lunatic with impossible ideas that will garner no support whatsoever in Washington will just be confirmation that this nation is officially out of its fucking mind. People voting for ideas like "abolish the Fed" will be even more disappointed than those who voted for Obama and thought they'd wake up to find their mortgages paid or a new car in the driveway.

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glamourmodels

Yes, consistently stuck at 20% because Republicans really dont like him and are looking for anyone else. And thats among the GOP. What kind of dream world are you living in where you think any independents would vote for slick willie 2.0? If you dont get the independents you lose. Anything else is fantasy-

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Sounds unbiased and scientific to me...



Is it any wonder that after 11 debates, the Republicans can't settle on a front runner. The one leading the polls at the moment is not even a real Republican, he's a Libertarian in elephant clothing.

All that they are missing is Sarah Palin, but even she had enough sense to sit this one out.

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glamourmodels

I was waiting for someone to make that point rather than just posting pics of used car salesmen and molesters. That's why I linked to TWO other independent polls. The University of Iowa is biased towards Ron Paul? That's what you are saying? Fucking BLOOMBERG is biased towards Ron Paul? C'mon bro, be serious.

Those other two polls have almost the same exact numbers, the only difference is this poll breaks it down between republicans only where he is tied for first (within the margin of error tied 3 ways), and republicans with independents where he is out in front all by himself above the margin of error.

Sorry man, like it or not all three polls have pretty similar numbers, the only difference being that this one also asked likely independent voters and Iowa is an open caucus so thats perfectly reasonable.

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that's what people said about Bush and look how well that turned out...

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mafia_man

Same policies bro.

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mafia_man

So what do we learn from that?

The fence sitters will split between Cain, Newt and Perry whilst Mitt gets his consistent 20%+- voting block to win the nomination.

The independents might be a swing vote but they're not the majority.

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Romney is the only one who appears presidential. I like some of what Ron Paul says --- the guy just makes some good common sense points -- but he comes off as a nut. He needs to work on his borderline manic delivery.

While i like the idea of less government(as Ron Paul wants), I can't get behind things like disbanding something like the EPA. If the only thing keeping Dupont chemical from dumping tons of toxic waste into a river is their conscience, then that river will be flooded with toxic waste. Assuming that corporations will do the right thing is naive.

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Obama was supposed to be change. Turned out to be the same old crap.
But the sad thing is, he's better than all the Repthugs.
So as all Dems in my county, in primaries we vote Republican. For the idiot who will lose the general election.
So I'm voting Herman or Ron; what stupid twits.
Know my mom is voting for Ron, says it all. She voted for Ross, another crazy

glamourmodels

who has the same policies?? You mean everyone in the race including Obama vs. Ron Paul right? I assume you mean that, just clarifying.

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glamourmodels

And will then promptly get his ass kicked by Obama in the General...

I was speaking of the general election. I thought that was obvious but... sorry, I forgot where I was LOL - I will try to speak slowly.

Whatever Republican wins the GOP nomination, with the exception of Ron Paul will lose to Obama. Period. The GOP needs the independents in the general election plain and simple and Independents are for Ron Paul by a wide margin. If you really want to get rid of Obama, Ron Paul is your only choice.

For that matter if he does not get the republican nomination Paul might go third party. Result? Obama wins. If Ron Paul does NOT go third party, enough of his supporters will just write him in anyway. Result. Obama still wins. Romney loses to Obama in a head to head matchup by like 6 points so he already has no chance but the Paul supporters will make it a landslide for Obama if they just write him in even if he is not in the race which is what will happen. Bet on it.

Simply put, Ron Paul has the GOP by the balls. He is either the nominee or you guys have 4 more years of Obama.

Choke on it-

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So who will he give his Iowa delegates to once the rest of the country doesn't chose him?

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I don't disagree that Paul would be the best candidate in the next general election, but we live in the real world were he won't make it past the primaries.

Any other candidate that wins is going to lose to Obama, that's why the heavy hitters such as Palin and Huckabee have stayed out of the race.

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They are not his to give and they wont vote for anyone else, thats my point.

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I dont think we are even disagreeing essentially but thats why I am telling Republicans to wake up because if they really want to be rid of Obama, Ron Paul is their only choice whether they can recognize that or not.

If he does not get the GOP nod, he likely goes 3rd party, Obama wins. If he does not go 3rd party his supporters are not his to give away like he is some horse trader. They will simply write his name in and Obama still wins.

I mean either way Obama is beating Romney in a head to head match-up but not nominating Paul just ensures the GOP loss 100%. Will Republicans not be dumb? Unlikely. And frankly if Ron Paul were to win the presidency, I would prefer it be as a 3rd party candidate, that would be more healthy for American democracy but I would rather take the sure thing and not gamble on the ideal situation if conservatives wise up.

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i mean it isnt an important and complicated business like making pizza but still...

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The cattle will vote for whoever they are told to vote. Then they will be slaughtered as usual. Rise, repeat. Enjoy.

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kane

Am I the only one that thinks it is a little suspect that a group that working for Paul trying to get Paul elected conducts a poll and magically Paul is winning it?

baddog

He must be a shoe-in for the White House. After all, if he can win a poll that his own supporters took, it must mean something.

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when the germans were fed up with all political parties they voted for Hitler - just saying... ;)

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We have a similar outlook on many things and while I agree that this would be the typical m.o., I would hope this time is different. Not saying I will hold my breath but even if I was to hold my breath it would not be so hard since this is really the last time. There will be no "repeat" as you say. Things are definitely accelerating and only those who are brain dead cannot see it. Like the movie Highlander, where they describe what they call "the quickening" as events accelerate.

If Ron Paul is not elected, there is no doubt that America will completely implode and spiral into a depression that will make the 1930's look like a utopia by comparison. I dont even fully know if he could stop it, as despite what some trolls would have people believe Dr. Paul is not some Christ figure to his supporters, at least not to me, but he would be the only one who is not bought and paid for that would even try so it's fair to say that he would be our last, best hope.

As far as I am concerned this is America's last chance to show me that there is an iota of worth left in the country. If people are really so dumb as to not vote this guy in, than my disgust level with people will finally be so high that I will wash my hands of the populace and as far as I am concerned the wolves can slaughter the sheep into oblivion and I wont make a peep because they will have invited, no begged, for their own destruction and they will have fully deserved their fate.

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baddog

But the same thing will happen if he is elected. I guess that is one way to hedge your "I told you so" bets.

That should build your credibility as a sane person.

DWB

Good luck with all of that.

glamourmodels

Yes, I am fully aware of that. I have read interviews with Diebold engineers who say it's easy. They dont have to do it nationwide, just in a few districts in some key states like they did in Ohio in 2004 for Bush. And even if Dr. Paul could overcome that, TPTB would likely "JFK" him. But even if those two things happened, a lot of people would ask questions so there is still merit in using the system as it is presently constructed.

You have to look at it from my point of view, while most of the retards on here are producing or surfing porn all day I am reading mountainous material on the global financial situation and have for years. I am actually amused by all the imbeciles that laugh at the looming financial catastrophe that is bearing down on us. Most of the people here would not know a CDS from a dildo. People just dont comprehend that the money from sovereign countries and the banks simply cant be paid back. Default is inevitable. Or rather on the current path it is inevitable. There are things one could do but only Ron Paul would do them. The only reason it has not affected America yet is our unique ability to print money in the context of having the worlds reserve currency but those days are ending very very soon. If people really are too busy watching football and Kim K's coochie rather than open their eyes they deserve what's coming to them, and if they did they would know Ron Paul is the only one to really address the issue in a substantive way.

For this reason, my position is that for the simple purpose of not having to feel guilty I have posted a few threads on Congressman Paul to "pre-cleanse" my conscience. Meaning... if people do not vote him into office than I am completely ok with the the elite's stated agenda of population reduction as it will have demonstrated once and for all to me that most people are simply incapable of independent thought even in the face of incontrovertible evidence and the majority should not have the right to exist or especially to be allowed self -determination.

In other words, I have made efforts to educate people so I wont feel guilty when the hammer drops as at least I can say I tried but at that point my disdain for the population at large would be such that I would agree with the eugenics programs of TPTB and thinning the herd. I know how that sounds but it's hard for me to deny that the world be be better off if anyone under a minimum IQ of 130 were at best case forcibly "snipped". BTW, my IQ is well above that, so that's not why I picked that number LOL, it just seems a reasonable minimum.

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glamourmodels

yes, because most people unlike you can read. The PAC commissioned it from a reputable polling company. That happens all the time. Moreover, if you could not only read but had the mental capacity to, uhhhh... click... you would see those numbers are in line with 2 other current polls, not comissioned by the PAC.

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Thats not an accurate statement, at least not definitively. It is theoretically possible certainly that even he could not prevent it. I said that before. What I said was that he was the only one who has the knowledge of the subject to know how to fix it and moreover, he is the only candidate (including Obama) that would even try. The others are bought and paid for. Let me break some news to you... wealthy people LOVE market crashes, they can buy up everything for pennies on the dollar... just ask JP Morgan or Rockefeller in 1929 - they consolidated their power HEAVILY in that time when everyone else was selling.

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glamourmodels

see my post to kane-

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glamourmodels

LOL, I dont have to have good luck with it at all. You didn't think I was stupid enough to live in America anymore did you? I have basically no faith in the American people anymore.

Posting this thread and the other one I posted the other day was the last chance to try to shake people out of their sleep just as I said before so I dont feel guilty when the inevitable happens but I dont really have a dog in this fight personally.

Thats the real irony is that I care more about the people in America than they do about themselves because despite it's faults, I love my country but that obligation has come to an end. I dont mind taking the heat on the boards as far as people attacking me, thats fine but I see no reason to help people who wont help themselves.

This will be the last thread I start about this subject or any other political topic or current event. You guys are on your own from here on out, Just dont say you were not warned.

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kane

I guess, in the end, we will all see. If Paul wins the Iowa Caucus then everyone will agree that this poll is accurate. If he finishes like fourth and far behind it might show that it wasn't so accurate.

The Iowa Caucus is is notoriously hard to accurately poll so I guess we will have to wait and see.