Stop claiming we can't do micropayments, assholes.

[stocktrader23]

Every decent webcam site in existence can handle micropayments just fine. Epoch processes thousands of them per day.

No more lies when making excuses for not trying alternate billing models.

[DEA]

more info plz

[GetSCORECash]

At $0.25 a transaction.

[Fletch XXX]

thank you.

[porno jew]

that's some old school net nerd solution. you sound like some of my friends. please stop.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by FORGOTMYSCREENNAME

more info plz

What info? Epoch or your own merchant account will easily handle low dollar value transactions. They will easily integrate into your system so that your customers put their card on file once and can click to purchase something on the fly. The only thing stopping programs from taking micropayments is the unwillingness to do so.

Originally Posted by GetSCORECash

At $0.25 a transaction.

Well, it could be done but who would want to? You can't even take a quarter directly from Paypal and doing it in adult is pretty damn pointless. Could still be done with a minimum deposit of a few bucks or so if you just insisted though.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by porno jew

that's some old school net nerd solution. you sound like some of my friends. please stop.

I love you porno jew.

I will say though, I have no idea what you are talking about. Epoch has been processing $2 transactions for as long as I can remember. They probably process even lower but I've never cared to check.

[Brujah]

Nice to have the option but the other thread was about doing full $10/mo+ centralized payments too which should be just as easy with a deposit/credit system.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by Brujah

Nice to have the option but the other thread was about doing full $10/mo+ centralized payments too which should be just as easy with a deposit/credit system.

I would never depend on a monthly rebill as a way to bring in new / hard to convert customers. Sounds good in theory, until they want content from 17 different websites and the only way to get it is to pay $170 per month.

[Brujah]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

I would never depend on a monthly rebill as a way to bring in new / hard to convert customers. Sounds good in theory, until they want content from 17 different websites and the only way to get it is to pay $170 per month.

Right, but I mean... you deposit $100 or $200 into the centralized system.

You can pay the micropayment .25 to one site, but you can also pay $29 to another site using your credit for a monthly subscription, a recurring amount, or even a one-time $125 yearly amount, etc.... I guess I'm thinking there's no need to be strictly a micropayment system if you're a centralized deposit/credit system.

[porno jew]

who is doing it successfully in mainstream?

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by Brujah

Right, but I mean... you deposit $100 or $200 into the centralized system.

You can pay the micropayment .25 to one site, but you can also pay $29 to another site using your credit for a monthly subscription, a recurring amount, or even a one-time $125 yearly amount, etc.... I guess I'm thinking there's no need to be strictly a micropayment system if you're a centralized deposit/credit system.

I got you, would definitely have every option imaginable for sure.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by porno jew

who is doing it successfully in mainstream?

Facebook?

I spent $1 on a stupid game while posting this.

[porno jew]

why call it "micropayments" though? do you still use the term "cyberspace?"

[Brujah]

It could have been a logical next step for the old school AVS systems, if they had allowed you to choose to spend your premium (Gold/Platinum/whatever) credits at the site of your choosing in their network.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by porno jew

why call it "micropayments" though? do you still use the term "cyberspace?"

I didn't make up the idiotic term, I just used it because everyone else does.

[Steve Awesome]

I'm familiar with micropayments for stock photography -- and those typically meant buying some larger credits and then slowly doling them out (ala bitcoin). Actually charging someone's credit card for 25 cents and that's it? Why bother?

[BSleazy]

Not really on topic but my friend is a branch manager at citizens bank. She says she can approve any kind of merchant account she wants. Is she correct? Asking here because I'm assuming people that would know that are reading this thread.

[Brujah]

Would Envato count enough for mainstream? Of course their deposit/credit system is for their own network of sites however. It's still somewhat micropayment technically. You can spend less than $1, or $50 all the same.

http://themeforest.net
http://codecanyon.net
etc...

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

Facebook?

I spent $1 on a stupid game while posting this.

exactly, ultima online just processed 32 thousand bucks worth of imaginary swords and little sprites that you decorate your in-game castle with while we were posting in this thread lol. its crazy the shit they are billing for these days,... swords with glowing flame orbs for 1.99 and pink unicorn mounts for 4.99

[BSleazy]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

exactly, ultima online just processed 32 thousand bucks worth of imaginary swords and little sprites that you decorate your in-game castle with while we were posting in this thread lol. its crazy the shit they are billing for these days,... swords with glowing flame orbs for 1.99 and pink unicorn mounts for 4.99

God dam. Where do u see that?

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

exactly, ultima online just processed 32 thousand bucks worth of imaginary swords and little sprites that you decorate your in-game castle with while we were posting in this thread lol. its crazy the shit they are billing for these days,... swords with glowing flame orbs for 1.99 and pink unicorn mounts for 4.99

While half the people here are swearing off Facebook as some stupid MySpace clone that will be replaced by another Zynga is worth billions just as one piece of their overall system. Yeah, that silly Zuckerberg!

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by Brujah

It could have been a logical next step for the old school AVS systems, if they had allowed you to choose to spend your premium (Gold/Platinum/whatever) credits at the site of your choosing in their network.

By the way, I mentioned Epoch because you can spend $2 or whatever without uploading money ahead of time. I can go to Streammate and pay $2 seamlessly for a cam show without filling in any information. They got that for free the first day I joined and didn't charge a cent to my card.

[BSleazy]

Everyone has a mobile phone. Isn't there a simple way to bill people that way?

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by Brujah

Would Envato count enough for mainstream?

Good example.

Of course their deposit/credit system is for their own network of sites however. It's still somewhat micropayment technically. You can spend less than $1, or $50 all the same.

That's how a system like that would get started in adult. Too often we see comments like "the industry should do that" or "the industry should implement that" or "the industry should move that way". Frankly, there's no "industry". There are only people and companies that offer a similar product. The industry doesn't make decisions, it doesn't build new payment systems. Individuals and individual companies do.

A micropayment system like that only has a chance of survival if there's sites using it. it will most likely be one of the bigger programs with a a large network of sites that start offering that micropayment option on their own network (or a new network built around their existing content) and later open it up to others.

[Paul Markham]

Sites have been doing $2.99 trials since the early days. The problem isn't doing micro payments. It's getting affiliates to send traffic to a site paying $1 a join.

I had the idea of doing loads of $5 sites, linking them all together and allowing the buyer to immediately DL the whole site. Or view online.

The problem was clear, not enough people would send traffic to earn 50% of $5, even if I lumped a few together in a bumper offer or paid them on buyers who kept buying.

It has nothing to do with billing.

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Sites have been doing $2.99 trials since the early days. The problem isn't doing micro payments. It's getting affiliates to send traffic to a site paying $1 a join.

Aren't you the one that once said that getting traffic is easy?

It has nothing to do with billing.

[GetSCORECash]

We have a micro payment website in the works, launch date is march/april at the moment, I won't go into details but it can be done.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Sites have been doing $2.99 trials since the early days. The problem isn't doing micro payments. It's getting affiliates to send traffic to a site paying $1 a join.

I had the idea of doing loads of $5 sites, linking them all together and allowing the buyer to immediately DL the whole site. Or view online.

The problem was clear, not enough people would send traffic to earn 50% of $5, even if I lumped a few together in a bumper offer or paid them on buyers who kept buying.

It has nothing to do with billing.

Not everyone needs affiliates, Paul.

[Fletch XXX]

stock i cant tell you how many times ive been told this phrase this week.

"the telcos just wont allow it"

"sry we cant do that"

sure well i will find one who can. you can swipe your card at parking meters now for .25

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

you can swipe your card at parking meters now for .25

Never seen that.

[baddog]

You just need to get the US into accepting mobile billing.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

Never seen that.

Where do you live, anyway?

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by baddog

Where do you live, anyway?

Outside of Shreveport, LA but I'm in the country. Haven't used a parking meter in probably 10 years.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

Never seen that.

its like this, when New Orleans has it, you know the technology is cheap LOL

nola has swipe meters now.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

Outside of Shreveport, LA but I'm in the country. Haven't used a parking meter in probably 10 years.

Ah. Lots of small towns depend on parking tickets for income. It is nice to run across one that is not like that. I have to visit the south again sometime. Not just drive through.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by baddog

Ah. Lots of small towns depend on parking tickets for income. It is nice to run across one that is not like that. I have to visit the south again sometime. Not just drive through.

Shreveport has parking meters downtown, I just try to stay in the hills. Too much crazy stuff in the city.

[baddog]

That is what makes it interesting and fun.

[Just Alex]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

What info? Epoch or your own merchant account will easily handle low dollar value transactions. They will easily integrate into your system so that your customers put their card on file once and can click to purchase something on the fly. The only thing stopping programs from taking micropayments is the unwillingness to do so.



Well, it could be done but who would want to? You can't even take a quarter directly from Paypal and doing it in adult is pretty damn pointless. Could still be done with a minimum deposit of a few bucks or so if you just insisted though.

At 25 cent per transaction it has to make sense to process it. Think about, 25 cents transaction, 5% of total price, % to affiliate. What are you left with on 50 cent transaction? Whooping 7 cents?

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Just Alex

At 25 cent per transaction it has to make sense to process it. Think about, 25 cents transaction, 5% of total price, % to affiliate. What are you left with on 50 cent transaction? Whooping 7 cents?

It is about the quantity.

[Just Alex]

Originally Posted by baddog

It is about the quantity.

Thanks captain Obvious. At 7 cents a pop you'd have to have 500 joins just to get your kids some ice cream.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

Aren't you the one that once said that getting traffic is easy?

It is. Getting enough traffic to make money is the tough part.

It's like getting rice, one grain is cheap. Enough for a meal costs more, enough to feed a family for a year costs even more.

I can buy traffic off ST for a few dollars a 1,000. So how hard is it to get traffic?

[2intense]

micropayments for micropeople

[candyflip]

Wasn't that the basis for SWOIT?

Small transactions seems to be doing ok for Redbox.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Just Alex

Thanks captain Obvious. At 7 cents a pop you'd have to have 500 joins just to get your kids some ice cream.

How long do you figure it would take to get those 500 sales vs @$30?

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by baddog

How long do you figure it would take to get those 500 sales vs @$30?

For starters, I meant stuff between $1 and $5. I guess if you wanted to sell single images you could worry about quarters but I'm talking more like video rentals, buying a full scene or image set (or both), etc. Obviously you would hope to make more than one transaction per person and even if they only spent a few bucks today they would know where to come back for reasonably priced porn.

I mentioned STEAM because it would be hard for one company to do this. You would need a huge variety of stuff. Right now everyone with a paysite covering a specific niche hopes to get a surfer to pay $30 per month for their site. The problem is that they are 10 or 100 or 1000 sites that have content similar for theirs so while $30 per month might sound reasonable for your "hundreds of videos and thousands of images" it's not like most surfers can join 100 sites at $30 per month to get it all.

Hilariously enough, Tube sites are the perfect venue to sell movies in this manner. Let the surfer see 2 to 5 minutes and charge $1 to stream the rest or $3 to download the full movie. They key thing that most miss when trying anything close to this is seamless transactions. You don't want them having to upload $50 to make a purchase, do like webcams and make it a one click buy after your card is on file. This is the billing model that has exploded in mainstream for the simple fact that it just works. I will spend $1 on stupid shit that I would never spend $10 on and I assure you that even I would pay a few bucks for a porn scene I really wanted to watch.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

Hilariously enough, Tube sites are the perfect venue to sell movies in this manner. Let the surfer see 2 to 5 minutes and charge $1 to stream the rest or $3 to download the full movie.

And mobile tubes even more so.