EukerVoorn

At this time about all our content can be downloaded from the many pirate sites hosted by LeaseWeb - I and the content removal services I hire asked LeaseWeb many times to put an end to it, but even when they force their clients to remove stolen content, it can be downloaded again from the same sites the next day again already. Sharing of illegal and stolen content is the purpose of these sites, LeaseWeb knows that, but LeaseWeb doesn't want to kick these sites off their servers because they must be making a nice amount of money from it as well.

So we set up ablw dot org to name and shame the crooks they are. LeaseWeb started a procedure at the WIPO Arbitration and Mediation Center in Geneve, Switzerland. They feel that domain name is a violation of their trademark- and copyrights . If hypocrisy wouldn't exist, LeaseWeb would invent it, that's for sure. All docs regarding this procedure will be published on ablw dot org soon.

Some further research on leaseweb's involvement in the distribution of stolen and illegal content has been done the past weeks and the results of this research will be published on ablw dot org . This site now shows some of the illegal content distributed from the LeaseWeb servers. Everything being displayed on ablw dot org is hosted by and loaded from LeaseWeb servers. I urge everybody not to look at that site because the content is illegal in most countries of the world including The Netherlands where LeaseWeb is based. This is also the reason why I'm not mentioning the full domain here nor posting a direct link, after all posting links to illegal material is not allowed according to this site's TOS. We decided to concentrate on the illegal content first, because distributing illegal content is more harmful for society than distributing stolen content. This and other illegal content distributed by LeaseWeb has been reported to the vice police in Amsterdam as well.

What's covered on ablw dot org now is only the tip of the iceberg - worse stuff has been found, stuff that shouldn't be re-displayed on the web, risking it will put wrong ideas in the head of idiots, but investigated by the police. We'll continue with the research and invite anybody who's stolen content is being distributed by LeaseWeb or anybody who has further information to contact me through the e-mail address displayed in my signature. A form for reporting stolen and illegal content will be added to the site either today or tomorrow.

The domain ablw dot org will probably be taken away from us but a few content producers already told me they will be happy to mirror that site as soon as it goes down, if neccessary these mirror sites will be hosted from home servers. It's only text so it doesn't require a top shelf gbit server. Of course by then I don't have any control anymore of what people will add to those home served mirror sites.

I suggested to LeaseWeb a few times that if they would stop distributing illegal and stolen content, nobody in the world would be bothered setting up a site like ablw dot org, but they took that as blackmail and their lawyer wrote me that they are considering reporting me to the police for that.

I MAY GET BANNED FOR POSTING THIS BUT I'M TAKING THE RISK - IF THE FACTS ABOUT THE THINGS THAT ARE SO TERRIBLY WRONG IN THE PORN BIZ AND THE INTERNET IN GENERAL CAN'T BE DISCUSSED IN HERE THEN THIS SITE ISN'T FOR ME ANYWAY - BUT THEN PLEASE STOP CRYING ABOUT YOUR CONTENT BEING STOLEN - IF YOU CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO FIGHT IT, YOU DESERVE TO GO OUT OF BUSINESS!

There was a thread in here in which the facts were posted about how LeaseWeb deals with stolen and illegal content, but that thread (looking for DMCA respecting hosting provider) has been deleted. Why?

Emil

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Konda

He's the SCATman

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Konda

Why don't you report them to the police, they host bestiality content which is not legal in NL anymore.

EukerVoorn

Neither is cp.

"This and other illegal content distributed by LeaseWeb has been reported to the vice police in Amsterdam as well. What's covered on ablw dot org now is only the tip of the iceberg - worse stuff has been found, stuff that shouldn't be re-displayed on the web, risking it will put wrong ideas in the head of idiots, but investigated by the police."

moeloubani

tried to visit your site but it isnt coming up, ive seen and reported shady shit to leaseweb just to have them tell me it isn't illegal when it clearly is, got an icq number? ill send you links/emails

mafia_man

http://www.ablw.org/

Doesn't work.

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Due

Don't forget to cc in the upstream providers of the hosting companies when you dmca someone.

Biweekly press releases naming hosting providers and upstream providers with how many dmca notices they have been send might also help bring some unwanted attention especially from investors (even if the hosting company is privately owned I bet their backbone provider is not)

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NALEM

We use LeaseWeb for some foreign projects.

Leaseweb, if any of your reps are reading this, you need to start deal with the piracy problem properly. I feel that hosting stolen content affects everybody's business and we expect the hosting provider we choose should not harm other legit businesses in any way.

Intentionally ignoring the problem or turning an eye to it, is equal to "Aiding and abetting", which means assisting before, during, or after the commission of a crime.

Are you an existing customer of Leaseweb or ANY OTHER HOST that ignores your DMCAs, then consider this: remain a customer of LeaseWeb or Other Host you'll be supporting what they are doing - and that is participating in stealing content from porn producers and reselling that. Also, content theft and credit card fraud go hand in hand, content thieves use stolen credit cards to buy accounts at paysites and download all the content. So the reason that it's getting harder to process credit cards for adult businesses also originates in the content theft problem.

LeaseWeb get smart! Stop hosting pirate sites and let them become another hosts problem. The money is not so great that its worth harm to your business reputation among legit operators.

- Alex

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EukerVoorn

The url is about leaseweb dot org not ablw - I don't want to post the direct link in here because it displays bestiality content loaded from LeaseWeb servers.

please send your info to euker at almosthelastpage org I don't have ICQ now but will install it today.

EukerVoorn

5.1 Customer is prohibited from posting or transmitting illegal or inappropriate material on or
via the Internet or the World Wide Web.

I've told them months ago already that there's illegal pornography on their servers, they didn't even bother to address it, let alone ask me for for urls.

EukerVoorn

Why would investors care? If the hosting provider makes profit from hosting piracy sites, then the investors see the profit and can't be bothered about the rest, right? Since when do investors in general have ethics? It's all about the money.

It's the public, media, payment processors and justice depts that need to be made aware of this crap and piracy sites need to be named and shamed, hunted down and turned into paria's with no place to go and only have one option left, and that's to stop with what they are doing and get a decent job. Piracy is costing you money as well but you'll already aware of that probably. All these pirates and their fans have one main principle, and that is not to pay for anything, ever. For stealing their content they purchase accounts on member sites using stolen credit cards.

Captain Kawaii

Hey, EukerV

Maybe a general site would be better to make. Like tdpnate used to have or may still have to post sites/servers/hosts info. Some sort of mix of blog/forum so not to bash them into submission but give them a chance to respond and address issues. If they fail, its publicly on them.

Frosty

I definitely support the cause... But. For them, and for pretty much every web hosting/bandwidth provider this is just business, and they never stated on their website that they allow any kind of illegal material, especially warez / bestiality related, so you'll definitely need luck on the legal side of this, proving that they're knowingly providing services to customers that are violating copyrights, and earning money from those same copyrighted files. ;)

Good luck.

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EukerVoorn

The proof is on that site and LeaseWeb doesn't provide with free hosting so they're earning money from it. Period. What you write is wishful thinking because you run a tube and you don't own the copyright of anything on there. One day someone is going to go legal on you, I already wish you good luck with that

Captain Kawaii: we've been talking to LeaseWeb for years. They refused to deal with the problem properly, and they chose to start legal procedures. It's not my obligation to be patient with them and continue asking them politely to stop distributing my intellectual property from their servers without my permission. It's them harming me, not the other way around. I told them a few times... stop violating my rights and you can get that domainname. But they went on. And then once people go legal on you to show you their teeth, you don't talk to them anymore. They should take this to court, because that's the road they took.

A site about piracy in general with forum: yes, it's in the pipeline!

mafia_man

aboutleaseweb dot org.

There was no need to be cryptic about the url.

Site looks like an attempt to slag off your competition. If you don't like what they are doing then take them to court. Is AT&T reliable if somebody uses their phone service to make bomb threats? No.

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k0nr4d

I don't want to play the devil's advocate here, but you seem to have really singled out leaseweb. You'd be hard pressed to find any host that does't have some amount of illegal or stolen content, because no host has the resources to check every file on every server of every client to see if it's bestiality or copyrighted content. Not only would that be impossible, but probably violate privacy laws. As for legal proceedings, there are laws that protect service providers from responsibility for the content uploaded by users. Granted those laws weren't made with this usage in mind, but they MUST be in place.

What they are supposed to do? Some guy emails them that his content is on their network, and they are supposed to shut down every client's server because there MAY be illegal or stolen content? I bet they get alot of fake/bs takedown requests too. One could easily write a script that goes through say xhamster and DMCA's every video systematically. Many of their servers are self managed. They won't know if it's a tube site or a bakery's website on there.

Again, I'm not taking anyone's side here by why did you single out Leaseweb and not some other host? Why don't you have the same issue with CDN company's such as Edgecast and Level3? The same problem exists everywhere.

THe only thing i see leaseweb doing truly wrong that other hosts don't do is demanding european takedown requests rather then DMCA's. One the one hand, they do have a right to request the proper take down request for their local laws but on the other hand it's a way of stalling.

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EukerVoorn

I could take them to court, yes. But I chose to make a site about them. Are they my competition? You have any clue what this about?

EukerVoorn

A host checking clients web directory is not a violation of privacy laws, all hosts cover this in their TOS (we have the right to, etc)

And of course they know what kind of site is hosted on this server because they get complaints about them all the time. And when they chose to continue hosting a file-locker about which they receive complaints on daily bases, with that they chose to continue hosting stolen and illegal content. The "they couldn't have known" argument really isn't a valid one here. They do know because people keep telling them. I told them months ago already that there's bestiality on these servers and the posts in the forum where this material is being exchanges are a few months old. So this wasn't uploaded one week ago. If someone would get a server from them, put a bakery site on there, and put illegal porn in a sub web directory, and it would take 2 years before someone would find it, yes then I would agree with you, the hosting provider could not have known. But the real situation totally differs from that.

k0nr4d

Filelocker sites DO have legitimate uses too. People use them to send me zips with PSD files, specifications, etc all the time. While yes, there is pirated content on there, there's also lots of legitimate stuff. I think you should be going after the sites, not after the host.

Many of these file locker sites are doing 50+ gbits of traffic. Hosts like leaseweb must make commitments to thier upstream providers. They sign contracts - 10gbits for 3 years at $x/mbit, etc. As with anything, the more you order the cheaper it becomes. Filelocker and tube sites are why you can now host for $2/mbit and not $20/mbit. Hosting a site like that allows hosting companies to reduce their overall costs per mbit and thus increase their margins and/or provide cheaper more competitive pricing for their other customers. They have contracts and obligations with thier upstream providers. If they suddenly decided to close a 50gbit site, They'd be on the hook for probably $70-80k/month for the next couple of years, and any web host company owner will tell you that the profit margins on hosting aren't all that huge to begin with - they have to cover servers, racks, support staff, electricity, backup generators, routers, cables, bandwidth, office space, datacenter space, security for the aforementioned.

That's why they aren't shutting sites down - because from a business and fiscal sense, it would be stupid to do so especially when they are not legally obligated to do so because they are protected by laws that relieve them of liability..

Ask yourself this - would you let your company bankrupt or operate at a huge loss over moral reasons? You can argue it's legal reasons, but the fact stands that they are not liable for the contents of their client's servers any more then a rental car company is responsible if someone rents a car and runs over someone while driving drunk in it.

Leaseweb has a responsibility to it's shareholders to do what it best for the company. What is best for the company might not be what's best for intelectual property owners, but it's the same reason why we aren't all driving electric cars and don't have all of our electricty from solar panels and wind farms despite that it would be far, far better for the environment.

Again, i'm not trying to argue that profiting off piracy is ok, and you have every right to be upset that your content is being stolen and used like this. However, why don't you go after the sites hosting your content rather then the hosting company?

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So says the greedy and stupid idiot who knowingly took ICM Registry's dirty money and decimated his own reputation in the adult industry.

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Interesting. We identified a while ago not only are the filelockers that are hosting the content in Leaseweb but also a lot of pirates were using their servers to link directly into out sites via hacked passwords, to rapidly download content and get it up on their accounts. We reported multiple ones to Leaseweb but no action was taken and we were unable to get details on the individuals.
We've now blocked Leaseweb's server IP's from accessing out servers and it's something other websites might want to look into also.

EukerVoorn

lol then explain to me why these filelockers are advertising for affiliates inside the porn bulletin boards in which they exchange this stolen content?



(this is just an example, I've seen other which which I save to harddrive but are on another pc)

And yes I could go after the sites and start legal procedures against them, but I decided to make a site about LeaseWeb. I'm sure that's going to be much more effective, and then the next hosting company that will host one of these file lockers violating my copyrights, will get its "about" site as well.

You're not a content producer, are you? How many tube sites to you have?

EukerVoorn

Yes I had this happening to me to, someone buying an account from France with fake name and address, and downloading through a LeaseWeb server, 83.149.126.32 and 62.212.89.14 and after that he continued downloading from France. How on earth can people download content through a remote dedicated server?

If your content is on filelockers hosted by LeaseWeb, please mail me or use the reply form on the site, addy is in my sig.

Konda

It's because many VPN services use Leaseweb.

For example if you use Black Logic VPN, their NL VPNs are trough leaseweb.

Konda

Also Leaseweb knowingly allows illegal content.

I asked them once something about how they can let a client host certain content, while it's not allowed by NL law. Their reply was something like "the NL law also says you can't drive over 120kmph, but still many people do it"

EukerVoorn

Contact me about that please, Konda.

EukerVoorn

LeaseWeb removed the linked files from their servers. These files had been there for months, reported to LeaseWeb, but weren't removed. Now they've been published on our site for 2 days, they're gone. So this proofs that the best and fastest way to make LeaseWeb remove illegal and stolen content, is by going public. So as soon as the domain is taken away from us, we'll make a new site to continue publishing all the links to stolen and illegal content on the LeaseWeb servers.

Edit: and by removing files they admit these files were illegal, otherwise they wouldn't remove them.

mafia_man

Never heard of a backlog?

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Thank you Leaseweb for finally doing the right thing. May you continue doing so. I hope the other hosts that are on this board, that are slow to respond or outright close their eyes to these problems will be encouraged to act in the best interest of all legit parties involved.

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EukerVoorn

Nalem please don't be a dumb ass licker, they only removed these files because they've been published on that site, and that's only a few bestiality files. Everything else, like all the stolen content and AND the preteen content is still there. And other hosts in general wouldn't let come things this far, after a few take-down requests and complaints they would kick off the problematic site completely.

EukerVoorn

I asked you how they are my competition. Answer that, retard.

EukerVoorn

Information about child pornography being hosted by LeaseWeb keeps dripping in, with confirmation that these links have been reported to LeaseWeb directly months ago. All these links are still active on the LeaseWeb servers though. We keep everything on file AND report to the Amsterdam police. Eric you have a "proof or ban" policy on this board and if you wish I can forward some of these links to you.

mafia_man

I thought you were a hosting supply after I skim read you sig.

Now I realise that they just a pain in the arse to your business unlike, I assume, the hosting in your sig which probably pull whatever you ask them to pull because they have no backlog of requests, because they have no customers.

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EukerVoorn

Well that was the first signal showing you're an inbreed retarded maggot brain, so I should have put you on ignore there already but better late than never, right?

EukerVoorn

Site moved to another url and info about preteen / children content added today:

http:///www.aboutlswb.org/

porno jew

funny that you post cp images on your website. interpol has been notified.

Roald

You are kidding right? Great pics you got there

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I put the site on your name weeks ago already. I even wanted to use your credit card details to pay for the hosting but it was declined, "insufficient funds"

And it's pathetic useless online forum addicts like you that help me to stay away from this place, thanks. I'll see you again in about one week from now, don't bother to do anything about your forum addiction, look at your stats, it's always been like that and always will be, till you die, nothing can rescue anymore.

porno jew

good bye creep.

EukerVoorn

Yeah remember what you wrote about RTL4? Watch the newspapers the coming weeks.

EukerVoorn

cooldude7

damn .,thank god u didnt gave cp links.,

porno jew

your sites reported http://www.interpol.int/Forms/Bioterrorism

EukerVoorn

Is that all you care about, people not posting links, so that you can pretend that cp doesn't exist and that all is fine? I care more about how easy it is for pedophiles to exchange cp through LeaseWeb servers and filelockers like oron.com . I don't have to see the actual cp to worry about it. How small is your world, cooldude? You and your computer and your website and your garden with trees and birds, you look around and conclude the world is perfect?

The point is that if you report cp on file lockers to the police, nothing much happens, because all they see is a link, not a kid's face. Then if you take the posted screengrabs and put those on another page together with the links and report that to the police, the video files will be removed from the file locker within 1 hour. And that's what happened.

cooldude7

i m from 3rd world, there not much i can do..India is corrupt at various levels. still the best thing is to try and you are doing it , i support you.
good luck.

EukerVoorn

Thanks cool dude.

Internet makes the world very small and I believe the whole world is fucked up and corrupt and it only gets worse. But if everybody does something small every day to make things better, maybe we can make the world a better place.

Unfortunately most people in porn biz are dumb and egocentric and only interested in making money.

Theo

The topic wasnt deleted, bur was moved to a private section since you decided to iframe it from that domain. Remove it and it will return back.