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I just finished reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act and I fully support it. There are some things which are troubling but nothing too bad. The DMCA is simply too weak and has nearly allowed an entire industry to be destroyed.

I say hang the pirates by their balls. Prevent Google from linking to them. Prevent US advertisers from paying them. Force US ISPs to block domain resolution to these scumbags. Seize their domains. And arrest the bastards if they dare set one foot in the US again.

Too bad it didn't happen in 2007. Most of us would be making 10 times more than we are now.

To any of you out there reading this who are the reason for this bill having to come about - I hope you lose everything you own. Fuck you for stealing from me and others. Fuck you for destroying the industry. And Merry Christmas too.

Long live SOPA!

StickyGreen

Government is the problem in most cases, not the solution.

Failed

I would be for it if it was limited to piracy, but it goes too far beyond and will lead to abuses of power.

baddog

If you had not Failed so frequently in your short time here, I would ask what this was based on, but I already know the accurate answer.

CyberHustler

Failed

My answers are always based on reading, not being force fed Fox News talking points like some of the dinosaurs around here who believe everything they're told.

19teenporn

It's not hard to realize the fact that all of gfyers that are constantly opposing to and making fun of SOPA have illegal tubes or forums.

Dude....

Joshua G

its more likely to be used only by big entertainment companies, while small fries will still see sites ripping them & the government will yawn until certain palms are greased.

SmutHammer

I'm sure we will notice a big difference just from the big pirating sites being removed.

fogfever

I agree with this.

DamianJ

So do you think that google, Facebook, eff, etc etc all are pirates?

You're a funny guy!

NewNick

Google is the biggest pirate of them all.

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DamianJ

As I said, funny guy!

nextri

The negatives in the bill far exceeds the positives. Impossible to support it.

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Cherry7

Not sure that is what is being said.

Do you not agree that Google linking to torrents and fileshares, often giving them 1st positions, is supporting pirates?

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DamianJ

So you want to ban all search engines now too?

I love it when pornorgraphers think government censorship is a good idea.

Look, it boils down to this. Piracy is bad. SOPA is using a nuclear missile to crack a walnut. It is badly thought out, technically ridiculous and gives power to your competitor to get your billing and hosting and site shut down. It is not a good idea to break the internet entirely in order to try and stop piracy.

moeloubani

Since baddog's hosting business already failed he doesn't see the threat in something like this. If one of your customers decides to host something copyrighted then your whole operation is fucked. If one person on GFY posts a song without permission then the whole site could be taken down.

CurrentlySober

What is sopoo?

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StickyGreen

It's a pandora's box situation.

Where do you draw the line?

The government doesn't want there to be a line, they want absolute power.

Jel

wahwah. So fucking what?

StickyGreen

lol, you don't see a problem with that?

Cherry7

No, maybe we can have a search engine that does not link and make money from stolen content.

I am quite open to the idea of copy write free society, if society is prepared to pay they creative industry to produce films music etc

This is not happening. We have a fight between to giant groups of capital. The media and internet. Our voices are very small and off stage, but if I have to choose I prefer "Die Hard" to Twitter.

Our website is exclusive and totally paid for, every frame, every note of music, and all documented. Any malicious suit against us would fail and expose the accuser to counter claims.

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Jel

Fucking right I don't. Or will gfy be nothing without pics posted/vids/songs embedded, or having the owners/mods work harder?

Tell me how being unable to post songs/videos/pics on this, or any other forum/platform out there will make your life worse, rather than just different?

DamianJ

Yeah, Die Hard has helped so many people. Lives been saved, essential communication from censored countries, political revolution, journalism, free speech etc, all thanks to die hard.

Ah, Thatcher's Dream. I'm alright Jack, fuck you.

And are you 100% sure your designer paid for every font on your site? And has that documented? You've seen his license for whatever editing software your editor uses? And the guy that does your music, you are totally sure he paid for his copy of Logic, and all the plug ins?

Even if all that is totally legal, all it takes, and I struggle to see why people don't get this, is for someone you've pissed off to report you and then with no judicial process, 5 days later your site has its billing and hosting removed.

You think this is a good solution?

Really?

No one is saying piracy is good. But this bill is not a tenable solution.

Paul Markham

This is the problem. It's the online culture of thinking you can "share" what ever you like with millions.

Sharing always existed, in 1960 I was recording Top of the Pops from the radio. Wasn't sharing it with friends, just listening to the records on a reel to reel tape machine. Then Pirate Radio came out, ships anchored in the North Sea, they I believe paid fees to the music companies.

We rarely shared porn mags, porn was not the type of thing you admitted to buying. Sharing porn was a give away to buying and limited to Playboy, which was shared in the barbers shop!!

Sharing VHS tapes was unlikely, you needed 2 tape decks and they weren't cheap and tapes had to be bought. Still a few companies pirated off masters or other VHS copies. It was a micro side line, except in places like Russia. And no one cared because they wouldn't buy much anyway.

Then around 1995 the Internet hit us and Newsgroups. And piracy took off. People were scanning mags and uploading the scans as if this was the latest craze and acceptable. The problem was small compared with today, but it was the start of the culture that sharing online was the thing to do.

Now it's hurting everyone. Even those who profit from the traffic it hurts. The surfers who buy will come anyway. They have no proof they wouldn't come if there was no free porn. Legal or pirated. They just look at the vast numbers of non buyers as if that's proof. Yes 1 in 10,000 do buy. Remove all the freeloaders and it would be 1-100. Don't nit pick the figures, you know the point I'm making.

Men bought porn long before the Internet existed. No online porn mogul can get within a mile of the offline porn moguls. Manwin Photoshopped their logo onto a building they have suite 300 in.

Flynt owns the building with his name on.

16 years ago I welcomed online porn as a new horizon for the porn industry, no more going to your local porn shop to buy porn. A more diverse range of niches. A better and faster delivery. A way for creators of the porn to be retailers as well, this was something pretty well unknown of in 1995. Today I see online porn not as a new dawn for porn, more like a dusk of porn.

SOPA will not change it, but I will love seeing pirates of all created products to get whacked hard. Only because I'm a creator of a product that I didn't give away for peanuts. It will make little difference to the porn industry and those who think it will are not thinking with a clear head. Go look at the traffic on the biggest piracy sites and compare it with where the traffic will go when the porn pirates are closed. Site like Pornhub and Youjizz. Anyone who thinks all those downloading pirated content will rush to get out their CCs are deluded.

You taught surfers far too well to expect them to pay for porn now. And Pornhub can buy legal content to make sure it can still sell ad space. If you want to hit Tubes, hit the cam sites and dating sites that support them. Tell surfers about free dating, the scams AFF pull to make the surfer think there's a girl waiting for them and the free web cam sites. This will hurt your sales selling dating sites where the odds on meeting a girl are slim to none. Or selling a web cam site when there are free ones.

The Internet needs a sledge hammer taken to it, stop free emails so I don't get spammed with sites trying to infect my computer. Hammer sites with viruses on or sites that infect other sites, stop the ability for any Tom, dick or Harry with an Internet connection to be in business without revealing to the world who and where he is. Make taking money online hard. It won't effect the amount taken, it will kick out the scum and who knows, make people feel safer about going online and spending money.

Yes a lot of you will hate that, you don't want the neighbors to know you work from your back bedroom, tough shit. It's about turning the Internet into the tool it can be, not leaving it as the mess it is so you can scrape a living. No money will be loss, well maybe you will lose a job or have to get a real office. Tough, that's what being in business is about.

and if you think self regulation has worked, you're on some pretty strong drugs. The Government is the ONLY solution.

Unless you have something we can try that hasn't been done before stop hallucinating.

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DamianJ

Because all those sites will close as they don't make enough money to pay someone to police every single post made.

Paul Markham

So SOPA will not work. Do you have a better idea?

You struggle to see why people don't get the bit I emboldened because it won't happen. Go quote the part of the law that says this.

Even if it does, it will mean porn moves offline and people have to buy it again. Pornographers will make a fortune again, I might come out of retirement. Of course online marketing men will be fucked royally. Shame isn't it.

And please no bullshit about how much more money is made online than was made offline, you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Go on tell us about ABC figures and prove it.

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Do you have a better idea?

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Paul Markham

Are you truly that dumb?

Seriously Damian I'm not warring with you but do you think a business that can't afford to run itself within the law should stay open?

This is the problem today, it's not that Damian is 18 to 30. He's in his 40s and he thinks businesses should be allowed to do as they please with no regard to others because they can't afford to police their business.

So what about all the businesses and jobs lost because of the lack of policing? I know countless shooters who have go out, sites closed, affiliates who have gone. Even us, if we had any chance of making the money from only the stores that we made in 2005 we would still be shooting.

So Piracy sites can do without policing so they can stay in business and the rest of us can go Is that your answer?

A street has 2 sides. Look at the street from the other side occasionally.

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signupdamnit

I have noticed that. There are also quite a few into cams and dating. Some are traffic brokers who probably see the problem tubes as their biggest customers. What a coincidence. I hope you are forced to stop doing business with these people and then I hope half of the rest of the industry boycotts you forcing you to shut down. It would serve you right.

The way it looks to me is SOPA forces the very things we should have been doing from the start. Good I say. There are even sponsors right now who are paying to advertise on hardcore pirate forums and they've been doing it for years. The situation has long since gotten out of hand and clearly something must be done. There's not much else to say. You failed to self-police, so here comes the laws (hopefully). Learn a lesson yet?

For those of you talking about how GFY is going to get shut down because someone posts a single picture of Mickey Mouse, get real. That's just a bunch of hyperbole.

Paul Markham

This to me is something that needs to be hammered and hammered hard.

I get these all day long, among other spam trying to get me to a site to get infected or something.

I get BoA, ACH, girls in russia and a ton of other shit emails, even with Spam Arrest.

The question is, why should I have to pay for spam arrest when these scum have free emails to fuck my computer with?

Culture, it should be free it's the Internet. The moment these guys have to pay 1 cent to send an email, they disappear. Normal non business people can send 100 for $1 a month. Or get it free with their Internet connection and pay for all over 100. Like SMS pay for them.

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Yes Damian, Sticky and the rest of the freedom online lovers, a self regulated Internet has turned out so marvelous. I have to scan my computer every morning, buy anti virus programs, spend money on Spam Arrest and still the scum manage to get through. If you think that's the way forward, you're either one of those profiting from the self regulation or delusional.

signupdamnit spot on with the last post. The shame is they turned a multi billion dollar industry into a shambles.

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DamianJ

Paul, since I came back from holiday I decided not to enter into pointless arguments with you. Your name calling, bitterness and trolling is not something I need in my life. So carry on calling me names and trolling if you like, but I am afraid you will need to rely on Robbie etc to get your kicks. I'm done with you.

Happy Christmas.

I hope you are your family have a wonderful time.

gideongallery

would you still support if the penalty for making a bogus complaint was a voiding of all your copyrights ?

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If SOPA passes, I guess Google, facebook, and all the rest of us will have to "Adapt or Die?"

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people hate the government until they need them.

then they run to them like a parent.

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signupdamnit

That seems a little harsh. How about paying triple damages and a minimum fine instead? Anyway isn't a bogus complaint considered a type of perjury?

signupdamnit

If you intentionally profit off of stealing from others then you belong in prison. It's that simple. I'm actually a reasonable guy and I still believe in user uploads but what we have going on today in this industry is unreasonable and bullshit. These illegal tube and forum owners know full well that most of their videos are illegal. They've made it their entire business model for several years. It's long past time for a change.

Paul Markham

OK sorry for the name calling.

Do you have an answer to the rest of my post?

A) Do you have a viable alternative?

B) Do you think businesses that can't run within the law should be allowed to ignore it or the law should not be passed?

C) Do you think it's right that allowing these businesses to stay open should mean harm or closure to other businesses?

D) Do you like the shambles the the "Free self regulated Internet" has sunk to?

My Answers are.

A) No so I'm willing to see if SOPA will work better than self regulation works.

B) No, if you can't run a business within the law then close.

C) No, it's not right that others suffer so others who ignore or get around a law should prosper.

D) No I do not like the shambles that the Internet has become by being a "Free self regulated Internet". I think this has cost the Internet $billions in business and allowed many people to get online to rip off others.

Stop asking silly questions. Not name calling, just calling it like it is. The last person who will have any say in the matter of penalties is you. so you could say.

It's about as relevant as your idea. So stop flogging a silly idea, the dead horse is still available.

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Diomed

Bottom line,

for better or worse.. people need the freedom to look at whatever they want.

Sites like YouTube are an invaluable resource in the spreading of information that "others" might not want you to see or be aware of.

Once you open the doors to censorship, it will never stop.

It isn't that difficult to figure out. Let them in, and they will never go away.

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CIVMatt

Exactly... the government will fuck it up, the problem with SOPA is that is so loosely written it would allow 60 year old men to abuse it

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gideongallery

sure but just like the DMCA

want to name one single case where someone filing a false takedown has ever been convicted of that

if the penalty is never enforced it the same as if it does not exist.

btw what is 3 times the damage of completely wiping out a company from the interent

how do you calculate what the life time potential income of a site is.

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Paul Markham

Agreed. Once you let the freeloaders in and keep letting them in they will never go away.

I worked in porn through the days of censorship and made a lot of money. Hugh Hefner made a fortune at a time when showing pubic hair was taboo or nearly.

During that time a censored newspaper brought down the most powerful man in the world, Nixon ring a bell, the UK Government and recently that censored media has exposed even more wrong doings by the people in charge.

Please and with respect, go take your fear mongering to frighten little children with, it has no effect on grown ups.

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Paul Markham

So suggest an alternative. One that hasn't been tried and has a hope of working. Because the present system is a shambles and costing me money. To keep out scum.

So far all the anti people don't have a single alternative to offer other than leave it as it is.

Because a law isn't enforced, means it needs to be changed. changing the penalty of an unforced law is a pointless argument. Come on give me something to make me think harder.

OK then. I wish you a Merry Xmas as well.

Anyone else want to come up with a debate?

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DamianJ

No Paul, I am not interested in discussing anything with you again. Life is too short to respond to your trolling. I'm done with you. I'm filling my time more usefully.

I sincerely hope you have a wonderful Christmas and hope you find something more productive to do with your time than troll message boards next year.

Enjoy the break.

Sincerely

Damian

Wizzo

Just a sidenote porn isn't covered by SOPA... "By a vote of 9 to 18, the House Judiciary Committee rejected an amendment offered by Rep. Jared Polis (D-Colo.), which would have barred the Department of Justice from using the new tactics envisioned by an anti-piracy bill to protect "obscene and pornographic works."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...n_1158466.html

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gideongallery

ok make it simple

if a person is not convicted of perjury for the false claim

then the wrong party has a right to sue for and get all copyright owned by that company revoked.

just adding a new penalty to match the new rights

rather then pretending the old penalty which has done nothing to prevent abuse will some how magically do so now

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MakingItPay

People do have the freedom to look at what they want. But they used to have to pay the person that created it. Now they have the freedom to steal from the owner of the content without much fear of reprisal. If I say you can't see my content unless you are over 18, and pay for the right, is that censorship?

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raymor

I'm not in favor of SOPA, but this idea that one pic or doing could get GFY or any other site shut down is the opposite of what SOPA says. SOPA says the complaintant has to prove that the site is dedicated to nothing but theft.

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signupdamnit

I think you took the opposite of what it actually says. Unless I am mistaken. Besides why shouldn't porn also be protected? It's not like we are selling drugs. Most of us run legitimate businesses.

jimmycastor

i doubt this will go thru, after all being able to watch a movie for free or jerk one off from time to time , the 1% will choose to keep the people away from the streets

imagine all those freeloaders starting riots because theres no free porn and movies any more......
then we got serious trouble