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slapass · 12-23-2011, 08:03 AM

Have they dropped off that much? I am seeing the same faces and content on some of the babe sites. There are less solo girls then ever. But what about hardcore? I am not a huge fan but is there less being shot now?

Jim_Gunn · 12-23-2011, 09:10 AM

I'm shooting more hardcore content than ever personally with as many new faces that I can line up and get to show up every month.

MaDalton · 12-23-2011, 09:42 AM

you need to have the right clients, i don't complain at all

Paul Markham · 12-23-2011, 09:52 AM

The content was the first to get hit, it slumped 2007. Continued to slow down.

Prices offered are mostly a joke and many shooters have found new employment or retired.

As for girls I can only speak of here and the agents tell me less girls want to be seen ass fucked by all their friends. Makes sense really.

Of course those saying they have lots of new faces, could prove and show them. Last few times I saw an 18 year old being spammed as a fresh face, it seemed she had already done some work. One it seemed was marketing herself to everyone.

But no doubt others will tell us how much work they have, new faces. Yet can always fit in a new client. LOL

MaDalton · 12-23-2011, 10:11 AM

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Yet can always fit in a new client. LOL

so when a car factory has a capacity of 100,000 cars a month, they will sell a maximum of 100,000? or will they build a bigger factory?

Mutt · 12-23-2011, 10:22 AM

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As for girls I can only speak of here and the agents tell me less girls want to be seen ass fucked by all their friends. Makes sense really.

i was on Pierre Woodman's forum and he and his modeling scout were saying exactly this. might be the reason he was in LA shooting not long ago for the first time, Eastern European talent pool declining. I do see a ton of Russian hardcore content though.

porno jew · 12-23-2011, 10:50 AM

as an aside, i wonder of the free cam girls are taking the place of what solo girls were a few years ago? developing the same fan bases?

Mutt · 12-23-2011, 10:57 AM

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as an aside, i wonder of the free cam girls are taking the place of what solo girls were a few years ago? developing the same fan bases?

MFC definitely has hurt solo girl sites in my opinion.

EukerVoorn · 12-23-2011, 11:03 AM

That's the good thing about the piracy, a lot of crap producers get out of biz so less competition for the remaining ones. Also I find it easier to book models (from anywhere) than in the past. More beautiful and for lower rates, and I'm getting sent photos of new faces from Czech Republic model agencies every week, and these girls keep getting prettier and cheaper as well.

MaDalton · 12-23-2011, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

MFC definitely has hurt solo girl sites in my opinion.

i havent had someone asking me to shoot a solo site since 2 or 3 years i think. way back i had requests every week

Jim_Gunn · 12-23-2011, 11:19 AM

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MFC definitely has hurt solo girl sites in my opinion.

The existence of MFC hasn't affected the talent pool for new American porn models at all in my experience. Almost none of the cute young American newbie girls that I shoot every week has even heard of it. Of course most of them are aware of adult webcamming in general, but almost none of them will do it unless they are practically forced to by their agency which has a web cam setup or unless they are strongly encouraged and rewarded to do it by whatever local porn company they are friendly with that has a studio space. The majority of young models simply want to be told exactly what do to, where to go and do a specific job, in a limited time frame for a concrete amount of money. Webcamming for themselves at home means they would have to work for themselves, be a self starter and hustle on their own and wait for payments later. That rules out 99% of young porn chicks.

porno jew · 12-23-2011, 11:25 AM

is comment is in regard to solo girl site sales.

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

The existence of MFC hasn't affected the talent pool for new American porn models at all in my experience. Almost none of the cute young American newbie girls that I shoot every week has even heard of it. Of course most of them are aware of adult webcamming in general, but almost none of them will do it unless they are practically forced to by their agency which has a web cam setup or unless they are strongly encouraged and rewarded to do it by whatever local porn company they are friendly with that has a studio space. The majority of young models simply want to be told exactly what do to, where to go and do a specific job, in a limited time frame for a concrete amount of money. Webcamming for themselves at home means they would have to work for themselves, be a self starter and hustle on their own and wait for payments later. That rules out 99% of young porn chicks.

Mutt · 12-23-2011, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

The existence of MFC hasn't affected the talent pool for new American porn models at all in my experience. Almost none of the cute young American newbie girls that I shoot every week has even heard of it. Of course most of them are aware of adult webcamming in general, but almost none of them will do it unless they are practically forced to by their agency which has a web cam setup or unless they are strongly encouraged and rewarded to do it by whatever local porn company they are friendly with that has a studio space. The majority of young models simply want to be told exactly what do to, where to go and do a specific job, in a limited time frame for a concrete amount of money. Webcamming for themselves at home means they would have to work for themselves, be a self starter and hustle on their own and wait for payments later. That rules out 99% of young porn chicks.

this is absolutely true for most of these pinheads - they can make a fortune on MFC, but no discipline or ambition, there are girls who come on MFC, make 500-1000 in a night and you don't see them again for a month or more. the other factor besides laziness is that MFC wears girls out, it's a madhouse, 2,000 viewers, hundreds in their chatroom, bombarded by private messages, guys getting butthurt, others just there to call them sluts - MFC definitely isn't for everybody.

Mutt · 12-23-2011, 11:42 AM

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i havent had someone asking me to shoot a solo site since 2 or 3 years i think. way back i had requests every week

those kind of solo sites are dead - cutesunny.com is a new solo site, i recognize the girl from AdultLabs, super cute Russian girl - nobody i know who has great solo girl traffic can make a sale on the site.

MaDalton · 12-23-2011, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

those kind of solo sites are dead - cutesunny.com is a new solo site, i recognize the girl from AdultLabs, super cute Russian girl - nobody i know who has great solo girl traffic can make a sale on the site.

i dont mind, shooting 50 sets and 50 videos of the same girl was mostly annoying anyways

Radical Bucks · 12-23-2011, 12:55 PM

I am totally amused by those claiming to get fresh new girls weekly when that is just not true right now.

Facebook has ruined this. How, you may ask? If you need to ask then you do not belong in the content business.

Jim_Gunn · 12-23-2011, 01:01 PM

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I am totally amused by those claiming to get fresh new girls weekly when that is just not true right now.

Facebook has ruined this. How, you may ask? If you need to ask then you do not belong in the content business.

If you can't figure out how to get fresh new girls every week maybe *you* don't belong in the content business.

amateurcanada · 12-23-2011, 03:23 PM

Lots of recycling going on - and lots of content sales that everyones grabbing and trying to use to make coin lol. Exclusive content is king, despite the tasty tube sites grabbing it all up - I agree with a previous poster, its turning into a blurr of crap!

slapass · 12-23-2011, 11:22 PM

I had wondered if the internet was maturing. Taking a few photos of a girl in Rio was the norm a few years ago, and now they don't want their faces shown. Makes sense as lots of them had never heard of the internet, and now they are on it 24/7.
Add in that no one wants a solo site.
But XGF content has to having some effect.

Those who are pulling tons of new talent, good for you. I am not seeing it on the sites I frequent.

Paul Markham · 12-24-2011, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

i was on Pierre Woodman's forum and he and his modeling scout were saying exactly this. might be the reason he was in LA shooting not long ago for the first time, Eastern European talent pool declining. I do see a ton of Russian hardcore content though.

From my experience the communities here are still very small, for instance around 12 million people lice in CZ, which is probably close to the population of LA, London, NY. So a lot of people know each other.

We used to get a huge number of girls who did this while studying at college or uni. Now they know the Internet is for ever. You may be a brilliant surgeon, but let one guy ass fuck you on Brazzers and your career is over.

Maybe a few girls with little hope of ever getting a decent job will turn up, a few girls who're crazy enough to think it won't affect them in 10 years time, or the occasional girl who wants to be a porn star

In general the talent is slowing down in coming in. 10 years ago we could do a casting in Prague and have as many as 30 to even 50 girls turn up, 90% brand new. Here in Brno 5-6 girls a week would turn up for a casting minimum. Today, they don't appear.

The news is out. Do porn in front of a camera and the odds are high friends and family will know, girls only hear the bad stories. Also they know for most, it's a 1-2 experience for not much money. 18 year old's in 2005 and new 21. They talk to younger sisters, who talk to friends, who taunted girls whose sisters had done porn. And they all have brothers and boyfriends surfing free porn sites and talking about it from the age of 14.

Aslo if you get girls via agents and not the top dog in the agents list of clients, because you pay top dollar. Any girl who comes from an agent has had a weeks work before she gets to you. This is nothing new and been the system since 1980.

Also girls who bring "friends" are more than likely to bring a girl they met on a 2 girl shoot. Than a close friend. Can you imagine the girl who approaches her real friends and says "I just earned $500 being in a porn scene with a guy ass fucking me. Would you like to do this?"

Faster than putting it online, if you want everyone you know to watch you getting your ass banged.

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That's the good thing about the piracy, a lot of crap producers get out of biz so less competition for the remaining ones. Also I find it easier to book models (from anywhere) than in the past. More beautiful and for lower rates, and I'm getting sent photos of new faces from Czech Republic model agencies every week, and these girls keep getting prettier and cheaper as well.

Hit me up with the agents name and I'll see if this is true. There are people here and people in Hungary who do not shoot what you do, who will get the girls first. For certain if they pay more. Agents are not always the most truthful when telling you "This girl is brand new." They rely on their girls getting girls they met on shoots to bring them in.

Paul Markham · 12-24-2011, 01:38 AM

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Lots of recycling going on - and lots of content sales that everyones grabbing and trying to use to make coin lol. Exclusive content is king, despite the tasty tube sites grabbing it all up - I agree with a previous poster, its turning into a blurr of crap!

Yes exclusive content is king. If it's content 50 other guys aren't shooting.

Putting a face whose on 10 sites, on a new sofa and doing exactly the same as she was doing on the other 10 sites. Isn't exclusive, never was and never will be. As you said, that kind of exclusive is turning into a blur of crap.

And that was the problem with "exclusive" few sites have or even had the budget to shoot something different. Madalton hit the nail on the head.

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i dont mind, shooting 50 sets and 50 videos of the same girl was mostly annoying anyway

Shooting 50 scenes for $300 to $500 a scene exclusive at 5 a day. Was the stupidest way to work and be creative. He was turning over $15,000 to $25,000 for 10 days work.

Shooting a good girl for 2 days and turning over $12,000 was far more fun. Shooting a really good one for 5 days and making $30,000 never got annoying.

And that is what it cost to shoot proper "exclusive" content. with something that isn't on 20 other sites with the same girl doing the same thing, or in 50 scenes of her doing the same thing on the same site. Or even worse a girl like her on 200 sites in 2,000 scenes doing exactly the same thing. Which is why site that do look at the business from a different POV and get it right do so well.

How many time can you change location, build up, etc. When you're on a budget and schedule that forces you to cut corners?

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EukerVoorn So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Les Alpes, France Posts: 1,423	That's the good thing about the piracy, a lot of crap producers get out of biz so less competition for the remaining ones. Also I find it easier to book models (from anywhere) than in the past. More beautiful and for lower rates, and I'm getting sent photos of new faces from Czech Republic model agencies every week, and these girls keep getting prettier and cheaper as well.

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slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,622	I had wondered if the internet was maturing. Taking a few photos of a girl in Rio was the norm a few years ago, and now they don't want their faces shown. Makes sense as lots of them had never heard of the internet, and now they are on it 24/7. Add in that no one wants a solo site. But XGF content has to having some effect. Those who are pulling tons of new talent, good for you. I am not seeing it on the sites I frequent.