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Caligari · 12-30-2011, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by raymor

25K every ten years for solar, using utility company power when it's not so sunny. That's roughly double the cost of just buying electricity generated from natural gas, like I do. It also means I'm not dumping a bunch lead acid batteries every few years like you do with solar. I consider doubling the cost "expensive". Maybe you don't.

wrong. not every 10 years. solar panels on average have a lifespan of 20-25 years.

and you don't "dump" lead batteries, you recycle them. there are plenty of battery recycling facilities all over the world.

but i would agree natural gas is a good alternative with caveats such as fracking damage etc.

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Originally Posted by raymor

Pick either ONE of the above statements and it'll be partially true, depending on which location you choose. In sunny areas, solar produces less carbon emissions, but also arsenic, cadmium, etc., which aren't in gas. In less sunny areas, solar production creates roughly equal carbon emissions, side from.the toxins. So it's a reasonable choice in some areas. In many areas, it's an expensive, toxic option that lets you feel good if you choose to ignore the arsenic and lead.

once again, who is ignoring arsenic and lead? safe recycling is the key.

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2MuchMark · 12-30-2011, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

No range, only good for around town.

Bzzzht! Wrong, sir Baddog.

The Tesla Model S gets 300 Miles on a single charge and does not lose power while parked for long periods of time. Its range is actually longer than most gas cars with the same performance.

Caligari · 12-30-2011, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by raymor

That leaves some that's intermediate level and a few pounds of high level. High level is the dangerous stuff. You want to encase it in metal and bury it a couple hundred feet under the desert, or in a deep cave. Fortunately, there's so little of it, getting it well shielded and deeply buried isn't really a problem.

So you have one kind that's not a problem because it's very low level - much, much less radiation than the sun. Then the other kind that's produced in small enough quantities that isn't pretty easy to pack safely away. The problem, waste wise, is purely a political problem. Disposing of all the country's nuclear waste is actually less damaging than disposing of all the toxic chemicals in batteries from hybrids, but long standing political positions get in the way of clear thinking.

Where do you get your info? link please...

The disposal of HIGH level nuke waste is a growing crisis whether you want to believe it or not.

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High-level waste (HLW) is produced by nuclear reactors. It contains fission products and transuranic elements generated in the reactor core. It is highly radioactive and often thermally hot. HLW accounts for over 95 percent of the total radioactivity produced in the process of nuclear electricity generation. The amount of HLW worldwide is currently increasing by about 12,000 metric tons every year, which is the equivalent to about 100 double-decker buses or a two-story structure with a footprint the size of a basketball court.[23] A 1000-MW nuclear power plant produces about 27 tonnes of spent nuclear fuel (unreprocessed) every year.[24]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioactive_waste

2MuchMark · 12-30-2011, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

what happens if you run out of charge ?

The car can be plugged in to any 110v or 220v outlet, and can also be charged into any electric charging station that are now being built as as the new super-charger stations.

MaDalton · 12-30-2011, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by raymor

The science on nuclear waste is actually very interesting. There is dangerous waste and there is a lot of waste, but there's not a lot of dangerous waste. I wouldn't mind at all having most nuclear waste in my backyard. 90% of nuclear waste is what's called LLW, low level waste. It's less dangerous than your smoke detector. You get about a million times as much radiation taking a walk in the sun. You could eat a bowl of it and probably be fine. Not that I'd want to actually eat a bowl of it, but I did consider having a spoonful during a presentation to make the point. I'm less scared of that stuff than I am of a tanning bed.

That leaves some that's intermediate level and a few pounds of high level. High level is the dangerous stuff. You want to encase it in metal and bury it a couple hundred feet under the desert, or in a deep cave. Fortunately, there's so little of it, getting it well shielded and deeply buried isn't really a problem.

So you have one kind that's not a problem because it's very low level - much, much less radiation than the sun. Then the other kind that's produced in small enough quantities that isn't pretty easy to pack safely away. The problem, waste wise, is purely a political problem. Disposing of all the country's nuclear waste is actually less damaging than disposing of all the toxic chemicals in batteries from hybrids, but long standing political positions get in the way of clear thinking.

man, man, man...

(and btw - i dont like electric cars with batteries either)

2MuchMark · 12-30-2011, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Nembrionic

Bullshit. Where do you think the electricity comes from to charge these things? It just magically appears?

No, it's generated by coal plants, nuclear power plants etc etc, all of which are fucking up the planet.

So, planet saver? Not quite.

Gasoline powered cars are very inefficient. Less than 10% of the energy in gas is actually converted into motion in a car. The other 90% is lost in excess heat and exhaust which itself contributes to greenhouse gas and other dangerous pollutants. Electricity at this level is much cleaner, cheaper, and spits out no pollution to move it.

Most electricity produced in Canada is Hyrdoelectic, meaning it is produced by water, which is sold to the US. Yes the US Still uses Coal for alot of electric power but this too can change.

Nuclear power is still much safer than coal. Including Japan, there are only 0.04 deaths per Terawatt hour vs Coal's 161 Deaths.

justinsain · 12-30-2011, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by **********

The car can be plugged in to any 110v or 220v outlet, and can also be charged into any electric charging station that are now being built as as the new super-charger stations.

They've put up a few charging stations here in Orlando and business have figured out that having one in front of their business is a good way of attracting customers. I believe a Hooters or Wing House had one put in next to their restaurant. Customer comes in to get something to eat while their car gets a quick charge. This is only the beginning and more people will adapt and innovate as electric cars become more common and eventually the norm.

2MuchMark · 12-30-2011, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jimmy-3-way

Yeah, true. BUT if these things came with a bank of solar panels that mounted to the top of your garage...planet savers.

Nah... Solar panels aren't any good for home use yet. They are so expensive that it takes 10 years to recover the cost of installation. I wish they were better but.

JFK · 12-30-2011, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by **********

Bzzzht! Wrong, sir Baddog.

The Tesla Model S gets 300 Miles on a single charge and does not lose power while parked for long periods of time. Its range is actually longer than most gas cars with the same performance.

Mark, I was wondering about this. If you are idling in trafic jams for hours, how would that effect the range ?

2MuchMark · 12-30-2011, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

Some people live an hour from the nearest city. Around here people often have to drive 45 minutes just to get to work (one way). Definitely only good for certain people / regions. I'm guessing you can't just charge these up in an hour if you do get stranded. Probably takes a while.

It takes 30 minutes to get a 300 Mile charge. Not as fast as Gasoline, but then again a full charge will cost only about $5.00 of electricity vs $60.00 of Gasoline.

Caligari · 12-30-2011, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jimmy-3-way

Yeah, true. BUT if these things came with a bank of solar panels that mounted to the top of your garage...planet savers.

easily done, get a 5-10k solar charging kit for your garage and you're saving $$$ in no time considering you'll otherwise be paying 2-3k minimum every year for gas...

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JFK · 12-30-2011, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by NetHorse

Our days will never be numbered, we are just getting started. These are the days of manufactures producing Mustangs, Camaros, Corvettes, GT-Rs that can handle 7,8,900rwhp utilizing the stock longblock.

Enjoy taking the kids to school in your whisper quiet $70,000 sedan with a top speed of 130mph. I'll take a 800hp car screaming at 7,000rpms sideways damn near giving you old folks a heart attack everyday and twice on Sunday.

You may not be around to see the "old folks" getting heart attacks, if you insist on driving like that

2MuchMark · 12-30-2011, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

you need to update your knowledge to 2012

and if you call nuclear waste "clean", you sure have no problem when we bury it in your garden

Good point, but the waste from Oil, Coal and Gasoline is shot into the air, and breathed into your lungs (and your kids lungs). Furthermore the waste is coming from not only coal plants, but from your own car.

Alot of people are afraid of nuclear for the wrong reasons, but are somehow not at all afraid of coal and gas, which kills tens of thousand of people every year. It's the same irrational thinking that make people afraid to fly. (More people die in car crashes than in air crashes)

Rochard · 12-30-2011, 10:28 AM

These cars by Tesla are beautiful and exactly what the population needs.

However, something isn't right here. How come an outside company is able to make cars like these, but the big automotive companies are still dicking around with silly hybrids? With all of the vast amounts of money these big car companies have combined with their research facilities, why is it that only a brand new company is able to make these cars?

And as for Baddog's comments about range, well, we'll need to change our driving habits. I understand that Baddog is retired and all he does is drive around the country because he's bored to death, but in the future we won't be taking long road trips in our cars. If your going outside of your range, you'll either need to crash someplace for the night or take a train.

MaDalton · 12-30-2011, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by **********

Good point, but the waste from Oil, Coal and Gasoline is shot into the air, and breathed into your lungs (and your kids lungs). Furthermore the waste is coming from not only coal plants, but from your own car.

Alot of people are afraid of nuclear for the wrong reasons, but are somehow not at all afraid of coal and gas, which kills tens of thousand of people every year. It's the same irrational thinking that make people afraid to fly. (More people die in car crashes than in air crashes)

you know what the biggest problem in energy is? energy consumption. we would need half of the energy we produce if people would be forced to use it more responsibly

PowerCum · 12-30-2011, 10:36 AM

I see two problems with electric cars:

1 ) In a car crash how safe will it be to touch a cable in that car or any metal surface if the battery is damaged and leaking electricity to the car chassis? My diesel powered Ford has not that problem... Until a mechanical killswitch is implemented this kind of cars cannot be considered safe.

2 ) When the batteries run out, will I have 5 minute full recharge option like I have on gas stations with my current car?

Until these problems get really solved, I don't think electrical cars are even a competition to traditional cars.

JFK · 12-30-2011, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by **********

It takes 30 minutes to get a 300 Mile charge. Not as fast as Gasoline, but then again a full charge will cost only about $5.00 of electricity vs $60.00 of Gasoline.

Sooner or later, they will increase the cost of charging , at the behest of Big Oil. Adding surcharges etc, so it wont be as attractive an alternative

a.miles · 12-30-2011, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

However, something isn't right here. How come an outside company is able to make cars like these, but the big automotive companies are still dicking around with silly hybrids? With all of the vast amounts of money these big car companies have combined with their research facilities, why is it that only a brand new company is able to make these cars?

You can find some of the answers in a 2006 documentary called "who killed the electric car"

SuckOnThis · 12-30-2011, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by JFK

Mark, I was wondering about this. If you are idling in trafic jams for hours, how would that effect the range ?

There is no engine to idle.

JFK · 12-30-2011, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

There is no engine to idle.

OK, but you still have to power all the acessorries, lights, etc and sitting in trafic will not help

baddog · 12-30-2011, 10:55 AM

Again, they are only good for around town and they are not very economical or good for the earth's wellness.

Anyone that thinks 300 miles is a lot is probably one of those people that are born and buried within 50 miles of each other with no venturing out of their comfort zone. I know you people are here.

300 miles is at 55 MPH. Who drives on the open road at 55 MPH? Besides, that is like Dodge saying you will get 30 MPG highway and 25 in the city. Those numbers are NEVER accurate unless you drive with the wind at your back and coast down hills.

sheken · 12-30-2011, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Again, they are only good for around town and they are not very economical or good for the earth's wellness.

Anyone that thinks 300 miles is a lot is probably one of those people that are born and buried within 50 miles of each other with no venturing out of their comfort zone. I know you people are here.

300 miles is at 55 MPH. Who drives on the open road at 55 MPH? Besides, that is like Dodge saying you will get 30 MPG highway and 25 in the city. Those numbers are NEVER accurate unless you drive with the wind at your back and coast down hills.

Granted, but the electrical car will be an alternative. In the US, 82% of the people reside in cities and suburbs. Most of these people don't drive more than 300 miles daily and having them use an electrical alternative will definitely help decrease the human damage on the environment ( not to mention lowering their monthly expenses ). Internal combustion engine cars will probably still exist for a very long time and for very good reasons, but the majority will switch to electrical.

sheken · 12-30-2011, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

I love our noisy Cummins and it will probably still be running when all the newer made vehicles are falling apart

By the same logic we should still be writing our documents by carving them into stone! Think about it, if a meteor strikes the Earth now, what will be left of "our" civilization ? What will resist better ? Tiny writings on pieces of paper ? Microscopic grooves made into cd's and blu ray discs ? Or good old fashioned writing carved out of granite ?

Advanced technology is like a tower that's taller and taller. As we advance, it becomes easier and easier to topple. What's your solution ? Going back to the stone age ?

SmokeyTheBear · 12-30-2011, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by **********

The car can be plugged in to any 110v or 220v outlet, and can also be charged into any electric charging station that are now being built as as the new super-charger stations.

so what happens when you run out of charge ?

example.. i am driving down the road.. the car runs out of juice..

can you pop in some "AA" batteries to get to a plugin or do i have to have it towed.?

SmokeyTheBear · 12-30-2011, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by **********

It takes 30 minutes to get a 300 Mile charge. Not as fast as Gasoline, but then again a full charge will cost only about $5.00 of electricity vs $60.00 of Gasoline.

on the website it says 30 minutes for 160 miles ONLY on their special built supercharging stations that are much further apart than 160 miles. At home it would take you much longer. If you have to plugin to your standard wall outlet on a trip you will be waiting hours.

If you buy the special twin charger for home you get 60 miles for every hour of charge, otherwise you will be getting 30 miles for an hour of charge. That means for every hour you drive you will have to charge up for 2 hours.

justinsain · 12-30-2011, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Again, they are only good for around town and they are not very economical or good for the earth's wellness.

Anyone that thinks 300 miles is a lot is probably one of those people that are born and buried within 50 miles of each other with no venturing out of their comfort zone. I know you people are here.

300 miles is at 55 MPH. Who drives on the open road at 55 MPH? Besides, that is like Dodge saying you will get 30 MPG highway and 25 in the city. Those numbers are NEVER accurate unless you drive with the wind at your back and coast down hills.

It would surly be a pain to drive cross country in what is available today but they've already extended the range from the first cars available and I don't see why they won't come up with a way to push it to 500 miles and beyond. The day might come when they far out do gas cars and people will say why stop twice to put gas in my car when I can go twice as far on one charge.

It won't be long before business see the value in charging stations and places like Hotels, Restaurants, Malls and Walmart will offer free charging to attract customers much like free WiFi is offered today. As they become more available one could plan a trip evolving several hundred miles by choosing stops for food and sleep that also have charging available. The smoother the system gets the more it will become second nature. Probably even have apps for that

As for speed, once all the manufacturers get on board the speed will follow. Porsche and BMW have some exciting stuff in the works. This is the dawn of electric cars. Twenty years from now it will be much more acceptable.

baddog · 12-30-2011, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by sheken

Granted, but the electrical car will be an alternative.

A very limited alternative at the current price tag.

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It would surly be a pain to drive cross country in what is available today but they've already extended the range from the first cars available and I don't see why they won't come up with a way to push it to 500 miles and beyond.

Possibly, at some point in time. Luckily, I will be dead before it becomes a standard. It would suck to have to take up wagon trains and horseback to do any kind of exploring.

Vendzilla · 12-30-2011, 11:49 AM

Not electric

this electric drag racer, set last month, in the 1/4 mile at 10.4 seconds at 124 mph

this is a car that I would drive

GayBunny · 12-30-2011, 12:00 PM

Sweet ride, wouldn't mind one of those.

JFK · 12-30-2011, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

A very limited alternative at the current price tag.

Possibly, at some point in time. Luckily, I will be dead before it becomes a standard. It would suck to have to take up wagon trains and horseback to do any kind of exploring.

John Jeremiah Liver-eating Johnston

baddog · 12-30-2011, 12:35 PM

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John Jeremiah Liver-eating Johnston

He was a bad-ass. Got the name because he went on a revenge killing of Crow Indians. They had killed his wife and unborn child when he was away. He went on a rampage, not only scalping his victims, but cutting their livers out. It was presumed he ate them, but no confirmation that I am aware of.

Nikki_Licks · 12-30-2011, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sheken

By the same logic we should still be writing our documents by carving them into stone! Think about it, if a meteor strikes the Earth now, what will be left of "our" civilization ? What will resist better ? Tiny writings on pieces of paper ? Microscopic grooves made into cd's and blu ray discs ? Or good old fashioned writing carved out of granite ?

Advanced technology is like a tower that's taller and taller. As we advance, it becomes easier and easier to topple. What's your solution ? Going back to the stone age ?

WTF.....Ok......

JFK · 12-30-2011, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

He was a bad-ass. Got the name because he went on a revenge killing of Crow Indians. They had killed his wife and unborn child when he was away. He went on a rampage, not only scalping his victims, but cutting their livers out. It was presumed he ate them, but no confirmation that I am aware of.

with or without onions ?

justinsain · 12-30-2011, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

He was a bad-ass. Got the name because he went on a revenge killing of Crow Indians. They had killed his wife and unborn child when he was away. He went on a rampage, not only scalping his victims, but cutting their livers out. It was presumed he ate them, but no confirmation that I am aware of.

One of my favorite movies

As for the wagons, I can just imagine the pioneers sitting around the campfire and one of them is telling the others about how some guy in the east was trying to put an engine on the wagon so you no longer need a horse and all the others saying it will never happen because you could only go so far on a tank of gas and then you'd have to find some more gas. Why do that when grass is everywhere for your horse

baddog · 12-30-2011, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JFK

with or without onions ?

Well, considering the location, I am going out on a limb and suggest sans onions.

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One of my favorite movies

Not sure I have ever seen it. I probably should though.

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As for the wagons, I can just imagine the pioneers sitting around the campfire and one of them is telling the others about how some guy in the east was trying to put an engine on the wagon so you no longer need a horse and all the others saying it will never happen because you could only go so far on a tank of gas and then you'd have to find some more gas. Why do that when grass is everywhere for your horse

And then they polluted the land with gas stations. And let's not even get into how we fucked up the southwest with train tracks and telegraph lines.

No wonder the Indians were pissed.

(But I get what you are saying)

CheeseFrog · 12-30-2011, 02:10 PM

0-60 doesn't mean a thing. Electric motors develop their peak torque at 0 RPM anyway, but they taper off once they get going. I'm more interested in what the 60-120 times are.

justinsain · 12-30-2011, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CheeseFrog

0-60 doesn't mean a thing. Electric motors develop their peak torque at 0 RPM anyway, but they taper off once they get going. I'm more interested in what the 60-120 times are.

While this is a Hybrid it shows where the technology is headed and puts to rest any fear for the lack of performance and those that think electric cars in the future will be nothing more than disguised golf carts

RyuLion · 12-30-2011, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

to be fair , most people probably don't "NEED" to drive, we could take public transportation. Driving is a "want" not a "need". I would want to be able to take long drives in my car..

I stopped driving completely while living in Miami for 3 years. Its easy NOT to drive..

Odin · 12-30-2011, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

A very limited alternative at the current price tag.

Just like the first mobile phones.

MaDalton · 12-30-2011, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by justinsain

One of my favorite movies

As for the wagons, I can just imagine the pioneers sitting around the campfire and one of them is telling the others about how some guy in the east was trying to put an engine on the wagon so you no longer need a horse and all the others saying it will never happen because you could only go so far on a tank of gas and then you'd have to find some more gas. Why do that when grass is everywhere for your horse

a former german imperator once said that cars are just a fad sinces horses are perfectly fine for what they are needed for

facialfreak · 12-30-2011, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Odin

Just like the first mobile phones.

EXACTLY!!

New technology is always very expensive for the first adopters ... as the technology creators try to recoup as much of their R&D as they can, as quickly as they can ... but it is not long before they must reduce their prices to make the technology viable for the masses, or fade into obscurity.

The same Tesla S Sedan that is $60 out of the gate in 2012, will probably settle somewhere in the $35-40 thousand range by 2015 ...

L-Pink · 12-30-2011, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

what happens if you run out of charge ?

I suggest bolting a Honda generator on the roof. That way you can drive while recharging.

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Nikki_Licks · 12-30-2011, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RyuLion

I stopped driving completely while living in Miami for 3 years. Its easy NOT to drive..

How did you get around? Bicycle, cab?

baddog · 12-30-2011, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by justinsain

While this is a Hybrid it shows where the technology is headed and puts to rest any fear for the lack of performance and those that think electric cars in the future will be nothing more than disguised golf carts

As I was gassing up the Charger earlier I thought back to this thread and realized that with one of these innovative cars I could not even pick up a passenger at the airport unless they had zero baggage. I doubt I could get my two carry-on pieces in the car and have a passenger as well.

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I stopped driving completely while living in Miami for 3 years. Its easy NOT to drive..

If you live in Miami, NYC or San Francisco. Try surviving in LA or Valparaiso without one.

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Just like the first mobile phones.

Right, mobile phone started off at what, 3 figures, compared to this that is 5 or 6. Oh yeah, phones come with a 2 year contract, how will they do that with electric cars?

Odin · 12-30-2011, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

As I was gassing up the Charger earlier I thought back to this thread and realized that with one of these innovative cars I could not even pick up a passenger at the airport unless they had zero baggage. I doubt I could get my two carry-on pieces in the car and have a passenger as well.

Not sure if this is referring to the Model S, or the video embed (I didn't watch it), but for refrence the Model S has a heap of cargo space, more then pretty much any similar car on the market. The battery lays flat on the floor, so you have both a massive boot and the 'frunk'.

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Originally Posted by baddog

Right, mobile phone started off at what, 3 figures, compared to this that is 5 or 6. Oh yeah, phones come with a 2 year contract, how will they do that with electric cars?

It's a car, of course it will always cost more. Are you saying people will stop buying cars because they can't get them down to the price of a mobile phone? A mobile phone isn't the target, a competitive price relative to gas cars is. Given the quality of the sedan it is already competitive with similar cars (Merc's, etc), however their next planned iteration is a $30k car, that is a 3~ years off though.

Contract is irrelevant, as stated above. You don't get 5 years free fuel with your current car either.

Haters gotta hate.

garce · 12-30-2011, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

to be fair , most people probably don't "NEED" to drive, we could take public transportation. Driving is a "want" not a "need". I would want to be able to take long drives in my car..

I don't drive. I stopped a long time ago - right after it stopped being fun.There is no fucking way I'd ever spend $60K on a car that can only go 300 miles (best case).

In Toronto it doesn't matter how far a car can go on a charge, it matters more how long it can idle in traffic. If it can't idle for four to six hours, its useless.

Besides, electric cars are the biggest joke of the last century. My pretty battery-powered car is so green! But the coal-fueled and nuclear powerplants that it relies on aren't.

baddog · 12-30-2011, 06:44 PM

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Haters gotta hate.

Haters gotta hate? Sheesh.

baddog · 12-30-2011, 06:46 PM

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I don't drive. I stopped a long time ago - right after it stopped being fun.There is no fucking way I'd ever spend $60K on a car that can only go 300 miles (best case).

In Toronto it doesn't matter how far a car can go on a charge, it matters more how long it can idle in traffic. If it can't idle for four to six hours, its useless.

Besides, electric cars are the biggest joke of the last century. My pretty battery-powered car is so green! But the coal-fueled and nuclear powerplants that it relies on aren't.

Stop being logical.

Odin, where do the kids sit?

Odin · 12-30-2011, 08:27 PM

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Stop being logical.

Odin, where do the kids sit?

There is technically 7 seats in the car. However the two rear facing seats are only for children, and can be folded down for storage. See this video as a demo:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=fRzdvLLQiYY&hd=1 - watch from 4:50 on.

I do believe in this car/company, not purely because it is electric though. If you watch some of the detailed videos and reviews on it (for instance watch the full video of the beta release) you will understand just how well engineered this car is. It is quite possibly the best engineered car in the US on pretty much every front. Keep in mind the founder and CEO of Tesla is also the founder and CEO of SpaceX, the company that will be docking with the ISS in a couple months and soon take over cargo and potentially human cargo for NASA. They are heavy on engineering talent, and very engineering focused, and it shows in their product.

raymor · 12-31-2011, 01:07 AM

[QUOTE=Caligari;18660026]wrong. not every 10 years. solar panels on average have a lifespan of 20-25 years.

You have batteries that last 20-25 years?!?! patent that shit! That's what puerile forever about solar power - the batteries cost more than the panels, and pollute more. As far as solar panels, the manufacturers of solar panels claim that they retain 90% of their capacity for ten years, 80% for fifteen years, and 60% for twenty years. So only if a) you believe the manufacturer isn't being the least bit optimistic and b) you're happy with getting held of the tasted output could you ever get 20 years out of photovoltaics.

You like solar. You wish everyone could use it. Great. The first step in getting solar used more is to have an understanding of how it can actually be used. I like Linux. I promote Linux. I don't go around saying that Linux is compatible with more games than Windows is because when people found out I was lying that would HURT the reputation of Linux. Same with solar. If you want to promote solar, be intellectually honest about it and promote it to people living in south Florida. Saying it's viable in New Hampshire hurts your cause, as does claiming that solar manufacturers are lying and their product lasts twice as long as they say it will, or claiming that a $25,000 solar system and three sets of fifteen batteries each is cheaper than paying your electric bill.

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once again, who is ignoring arsenic and lead? safe recycling is the key.

Look up how much arsenic, cadmium, and other toxic metals are released during the MANUFACTURING if the panel. You may be able to recycle the dead panel in 10-15 years, but that's too late because before you even take them out of the box you've already poisoned the planet during the manufacturing process. You might decide that you'd rather have arsenic pollution than carbon dioxide pollution and that's a perfectly logical decision. You can't intelligently make that decision as long as you pretend that recycling the panel afterwards will undo tbe release of toxins, though.

I'm a former member of Greenpeace. I'm all about protecting the environment. I just think that to ACTUALLY protect the environment we have to be honest with ourselves rather than being a fanboy, picking something our team likes and pretending it's perfect.

12-30-2011, 10:28 AM	#64
Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 73,514	These cars by Tesla are beautiful and exactly what the population needs. However, something isn't right here. How come an outside company is able to make cars like these, but the big automotive companies are still dicking around with silly hybrids? With all of the vast amounts of money these big car companies have combined with their research facilities, why is it that only a brand new company is able to make these cars? And as for Baddog's comments about range, well, we'll need to change our driving habits. I understand that Baddog is retired and all he does is drive around the country because he's bored to death, but in the future we won't be taking long road trips in our cars. If your going outside of your range, you'll either need to crash someplace for the night or take a train. __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

12-30-2011, 10:36 AM	#66
PowerCum CjOverkill Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Woldwide Posts: 1,328	I see two problems with electric cars: 1 ) In a car crash how safe will it be to touch a cable in that car or any metal surface if the battery is damaged and leaking electricity to the car chassis? My diesel powered Ford has not that problem... Until a mechanical killswitch is implemented this kind of cars cannot be considered safe. 2 ) When the batteries run out, will I have 5 minute full recharge option like I have on gas stations with my current car? Until these problems get really solved, I don't think electrical cars are even a competition to traditional cars. __________________ CjOverkill Traffic Trading Script Free, secure and fast traffic trading script. Get your copy now

12-30-2011, 10:55 AM	#71
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	Again, they are only good for around town and they are not very economical or good for the earth's wellness. Anyone that thinks 300 miles is a lot is probably one of those people that are born and buried within 50 miles of each other with no venturing out of their comfort zone. I know you people are here. 300 miles is at 55 MPH. Who drives on the open road at 55 MPH? Besides, that is like Dodge saying you will get 30 MPG highway and 25 in the city. Those numbers are NEVER accurate unless you drive with the wind at your back and coast down hills. Last edited by baddog; 12-30-2011 at 10:58 AM..

12-30-2011, 11:49 AM	#78
Vendzilla Biker Gnome Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: cell#324 Posts: 23,200	Not electric this electric drag racer, set last month, in the 1/4 mile at 10.4 seconds at 124 mph this is a car that I would drive __________________ Webair died? Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants think about that

12-30-2011, 12:00 PM	#79
GayBunny Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 131	Sweet ride, wouldn't mind one of those. __________________ Gaybunny.com - Gay Tube Site

12-30-2011, 02:10 PM	#86
CheeseFrog Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: AZ Posts: 1,724	0-60 doesn't mean a thing. Electric motors develop their peak torque at 0 RPM anyway, but they taper off once they get going. I'm more interested in what the 60-120 times are. __________________ Cary \| AIM: cheesefrog \| ICQ: 4287002