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uno · 01-02-2012, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

You are predicating that based on our military fighting wars constantly.

Maybe if we weren't occupying all these countries we wouldn't have to have medical care for our wounded. That's what I'm saying.

We shouldn't be in these countries with our military.
Our own citizens would NEVER stand for another country to station their military troops on OUR soil.

Seriously...think about it. We fought World Wars over that kind of thing, and now here we are doing the same stupid thing that has been done throughout history by failed "empires". And it never ends well.

I don't think we should be "isolationists", because that is impossible anyway in the information age. But we should NOT be trying to rule and lord over other countries because we don't like them.

Jesus...we POUNDED Libya and then turn a blind eye to Syria. The hypocrisy is just unreal.

And we both know the only reason to have bases in Germany and Japan is to allow our military to attack countries in Europe, The Middle East, and Asia whenever our "interests" are threatened.

It's just not right. And it's not supposed to be what America stands for.

And we are BROKE and can't afford this insanity anymore.

What you are saying may or may not be correct, but currently, for all the shit we are in, it does serve that purpose and many others. I'm predicating my statement on things that are happening RIGHT NOW.

Agree with the wars(god knows i don't) or agree with them. That base still serves several MAJOR functions to current ops.

I would also disagree with your point that the sole purpose of these bases is offense when they can just as, or more than, be useful for defense. This specific base does make a great staging point.

uno · 01-02-2012, 10:40 PM

Also there are very specific and real reasons we are not in syria right now. Strategy has a lot to do with it and while neither of us happen to agree with it, there is a reason.

Robbie · 01-02-2012, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by uno

What you are saying may or may not be correct, but currently, for all the shit we are in, it does serve that purpose and many others. I'm predicating my statement on things that are happening RIGHT NOW.

Agree with the wars(god knows i don't) or agree with them. That base still serves several MAJOR functions to current ops.

I would also disagree with your point that the sole purpose of these bases is offense when they can just as, or more than, be useful for defense. This specific base does make a great staging point.

What's happening "right now" is all based on us fighting un-declared wars against nations that did not invade us.

And if you think the bases are for "defense", then I again say: Defense against what exactly? Small groups of camel jockeys on suicide missions? We don't need trillions of dollars of military to combat that. It's not the 1950's and they aren't the Soviets with tens of thousands of nuclear warheads aimed at our country.

And yes... it does make a great "staging point". But my thoughts are...we have to stop NEEDING "staging points" to attack other countries. We spend more on our military than the rest of the world combined.

How many times over do we need to be able to blow up the entire planet to protect ourselves from "terrorists"?

And what are we going to do when China won't loan us any more money and our govt. goes completely bankrupt? Are we even gonna be able to afford to fly our troops back home? lol
I know that last sentence sounds facetious..but we are seriously in debt. And we have no moral or legal right to be in other countries with our military.

uno · 01-02-2012, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

What's happening "right now" is all based on us fighting un-declared wars against nations that did not invade us.

And if you think the bases are for "defense", then I again say: Defense against what exactly? Small groups of camel jockeys on suicide missions? We don't need trillions of dollars of military to combat that. It's not the 1950's and they aren't the Soviets with tens of thousands of nuclear warheads aimed at our country.

And yes... it does make a great "staging point". But my thoughts are...we have to stop NEEDING "staging points" to attack other countries. We spend more on our military than the rest of the world combined.

How many times over do we need to be able to blow up the entire planet to protect ourselves from "terrorists"?

And what are we going to do when China won't loan us any more money and our govt. goes completely bankrupt? Are we even gonna be able to afford to fly our troops back home? lol
I know that last sentence sounds facetious..but we are seriously in debt. And we have no moral or legal right to be in other countries with our military.

You know I love you, but I think you are being naive if you don't see the global advantage this gives to us IN CASE OF some sort of world or even regional shitstorm. i'm very ani military and i'm very anti-intervention. To deny these bases serve any sort of purpose is either naive or intentionally obtuse.

uno · 01-02-2012, 10:49 PM

Arguing about why we are there and why we were there and why will continue to be there is fine, but the fact is that we are where we are.

Dcat · 01-02-2012, 11:06 PM

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uno · 01-02-2012, 11:07 PM

I hadn't even noticed that nutjob was back till you pointed it out. Thank you.

baddog · 01-02-2012, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Like what? And if it's so cool to have bases in other countries (at great expense), then why don't other countries have THEIR military stationed in OUR country?

Because we did not sign an unconditional surrender agreement after they beat us in a war?

onwebcam · 01-02-2012, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by uno

I hadn't even noticed that nutjob was back till you pointed it out. Thank you.

Back with my "loony" facts. Thought I'd make an appearance for the Ron Paul victory celebration.

uno · 01-02-2012, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

Back with my "loony" facts. Thought I'd make an appearance for the Ron Paul victory celebration.

I hope you and your delusions have fun with that.

Dcat · 01-02-2012, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

Back with my "loony" facts. Thought I'd make an appearance for the Ron Paul victory celebration.

Robbie · 01-02-2012, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by uno

You know I love you, but I think you are being naive if you don't see the global advantage this gives to us IN CASE OF some sort of world or even regional shitstorm. i'm very ani military and i'm very anti-intervention. To deny these bases serve any sort of purpose is either naive or intentionally obtuse.

So let me ask you this since I"m so "naive"

WHEN are we EVER going to pull out of Germany? It didn't happen in the veterans of WW2's entire lifetimes.

Do you think (assuming that we can afford to stay there) that we will EVER leave? In our lifetime? Our children's lifetimes? Our grandchildren's lifetimes?

My mom was born in 1945, I was born in 1961...and we are in Germany still. No end in site.

And how much use did that base in Germany really do us recently anyway?

We were an isolationist country pre-WW2. And yet we mobilized our country, went to war and WON a freakin' WORLD WAR in just a few years.

We've now been in little, no-military at all Afghanistan for 10 years and still can't "win".
WTF?

Well, it's because this isn't a "war" and we don't need a military presence there to "win". Matter of fact, it makes things worse for us everyday and creates new terrorists as the kids there grow up to be young adults and hate our guts for taking over their country.

I'm not "naive". I just don't think that there is any threat on the face of the Earth that currently faces our military in any way, shape, or form.

To listen to the current saber rattling about Iran and how much of a "threat" they will be with a nuclear bomb is a joke.

We faced down the Soviet Union...who really DID have ICBM's with nuclear warheads that could have blown our country to hell.

THAT required a big ass military.

A big army is of no use against a handful of crazy fucks. NOTHING can stop that. And just like when we FINALLY got Bin Laden...it will require a small elite team to take them out.

And for that...we don't need giant military bases in countries all over the world.

That's my opinion. And like I said earlier...soon the point will be moot because our country simply cannot sustain this kind of spending.

Robbie · 01-02-2012, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Because we did not sign an unconditional surrender agreement after they beat us in a war?

The military being in Germany does nothing but pump up THEIR local economy, while draining our country of resources and money.

Jakez · 01-03-2012, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Failed

If Ron Paul would win the election and become president he would be just as bad as George W, Obama, and every other president of the past. He's just another corporate puppet putting on a good dance until he's in power, just like everyone else has.

Vote for a new system entirely and don't vote.

Corporate puppet? Wow, those corporations must have seen 2008/2012 coming decades ago.. serious?

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