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Old 01-11-2012, 11:00 AM   #51
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Close to a month into the hosted tube thing so I will continue to tweak, wait and give it more time.

noticed this last month - Cross Sales is already checked "I Dont Care For Pre checked sales just my choice" I dont think surfers want to see 2 different prices on a signup form confuses some may scare others from being screwed in the past.

again I will wait and see what PR has in store in the coming days as this hosted tube is somewhat new.
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Traffic is way too low to expect any real sales imo
Yes that traffic is not so big to make some precise decisions, but I can it for sure - you just wasting it. Try to send it to something that really converts
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As usual, Paul, you're missing the entire point. Got domains sitting around? 10 minutes later they're a tube.
You are correct Edge, but different tubes convert different. A tube with 1-5 minute clips on the board will convert 100's times better than one which is full of full-length movies (20-90 minutes). You may try to convert such tubes via cam and dating sites, but such sort of traffic won't work to sell paysites
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Yes that traffic is not so big to make some precise decisions, but I can it for sure - you just wasting it. Try to send it to something that really converts
that would mean I would have to work with the domain. And thats the thing, I dont want to put time in it as I dont have it. If this hosted tube is generating traffic it comes in handy the moment we decide to run our own full tube (or what ever) and actually do want to put time in it. That is IF we ever run something of our own on it cause, again, what is coming up with this sollution (see replies Ross) is quite promising
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You are correct Edge, but different tubes convert different. A tube with 1-5 minute clips on the board will convert 100's times better than one which if full of full-length movies (20-90 minutes each). You may try to convert such tubes via cam and dating sites, but this sort of traffic won't do for paysites
in the hostedtube.com back end you can set the videos to 1 minute, 3 minutes or max. You can even say how many free videos per day etc
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in the hostedtube.com back end you can set the videos to 1 minute, 3 minutes or max. You can even say how many free videos per day etc
Try it then. Should work IMHO.
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Try it then. Should work IMHO.
I just put it on 3 minutes and 10 free videos a day, lets see
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Does anyone know how long it takes for the Video Length to filter.
Going from Max Available to 3 min clips.

I set it on one domain but it still at Max Available and that was like 2 days ago or so..
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did u publish after making the change. I know I've forgotten to a couple of times
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You are correct Edge, but different tubes convert different. A tube with 1-5 minute clips on the board will convert 100's times better than one which is full of full-length movies (20-90 minutes). You may try to convert such tubes via cam and dating sites, but such sort of traffic won't work to sell paysites
Can those alternatives be set up in 10 minutes? That's the point I'm trying to make here -- people have unused domains that they do nothing with because they have "big plans" down the road. It never (or usually never) pans out, and the domains languish. With this solution, they can build traffic to their properties, maybe make some sales, but at least do SOMETHING with 'em.

PimpRoll has consistently been a leader in parking your unused domains, and this is the natural evolution, in my opinion.
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Can those alternatives be set up in 10 minutes? That's the point I'm trying to make here -- people have unused domains that they do nothing with because they have "big plans" down the road. It never (or usually never) pans out, and the domains languish. With this solution, they can build traffic to their properties, maybe make some sales, but at least do SOMETHING with 'em.

PimpRoll has consistently been a leader in parking your unused domains, and this is the natural evolution, in my opinion.
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did u publish after making the change. I know I've forgotten to a couple of times
yes I did and went back and double check..

maybe it takes a while if one is using all categories?
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Thats exactly what I thought, its so easy to stand on the side and comment like you always do.

So easy to get traffic huh? Put up or shut up Paul. You are the one looking like a fool here, not me

Good bye.
As usual you don't get it. Getting traffic is easy. I get traffic on all my sites. It's traffic. The problem is I don't get enough to make me my next million, talking pesos here. The problem is not enough sales, not not enough traffic.

223719 uniques
3 sales.

1-74573

Whoopsy doopsy daisy.

If the only solution is to give away more free porn. Then I'm glad we made out money and don't need to get in on this great tool.

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As usual, Paul, you're missing the entire point. Got domains sitting around? 10 minutes later they're a tube. Did you make a sale with them that year? Good, then you covered the cost of the domain, and everything else is gravy.

Until you have something people can plug unused domains into that'll actually grow them traffic and has the possibility of sales, you're just babbling nonsense as always.
What ever you're smoking must be good stuff.

I counted 8 people posting stats. So these 8 people had domains unused, un-worked domains getting 223,719 uniques from. Close to twenty eight thousand, per person, in the short period they had the tubes. They would be better off selling the traffic to Choker to sell it to Tubes. With a simple redirect. Or selling a Dating site. Or putting a TGP gallery on the domain. If they didn't worked the Tube, then I'm right and Roald is wrong. Not working and getting close to twenty eight thousand uniques proves how easy traffic is to get. Getting the 28,000 to buy something is the problem.

You don't get it. This is a quarter of a million uniques getting off on free porn for 3 sales. At $60 a sale that's $180. OK some might be the same on different sites. And Roalds solution is to throw more traffic at the Tubes. .

Even Roald was too embarrassed to quote the ratios of all.

The problem is simple, people only see the 3 sales from one person and ignore the 223,716 who didn't even buy from a dating site or cam site.
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You don't get it.
I'm afraid that you actually believe yourself and aren't trolling; that's the scary part. You realize that this content gives surfers a REASON to go to the domains that were just sitting there, right? That just redirecting it will likely DECREASE traffic, not increase it? And that after the traffic is built, the webmaster can than leverage it at a later date with another offering?

I saw a homeless guy standing on the side of the road with a sign "you're all doing it wrong," and I thought of you. The difference is that he's actually making decent money, I bet.
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I just quoted your figures as you keep ribbing me. I could post all the figures of all the posters and add them together.

So why not.

223719 uniques
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1-74573

Whoopsy doopsy daisy.

Of course it could all be the same bunch op people just going to different white label tubes.

The PR crew will tell me I'm stupid, know nothing and everything else. But to me it's not good.

As for trying it myself.

That's a good one.



Seems like a good idea to me. Teach the people on Search Engines they don't have to pay for porn any more.

And I'm a shit photographer??????????????

I used to sell 1-1. Not online, that was the days before people got porn for free. In fact the days when they paid for samples. You know the bad days pre the online geniuses.
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god please shut up you senile old man. must your ruin every thread you post in?
It's unbelievable how he feels he needs to post the same crap over and over again. Reminds me of some fat guy sitting on the couch eating cheese puffs yelling at quarterbacks on TV telling them how they should be playing the game.
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It's unbelievable how he feels he needs to post the same crap over and over again. Reminds me of some fat guy sitting on the couch eating cheese puffs yelling at quarterbacks on TV telling them how they should be playing the game.
even more sad is he used to brag and hope for rations like that back in the day, before he failed and gave up at life.
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You don't get it. This is a quarter of a million uniques getting off on free porn for 3 sales. At $60 a sale that's $180. OK some might be the same on different sites. And Roalds solution is to throw more traffic at the Tubes. .
Paul - I can see the angle you're coming from and you're not entirely wrong. Look at it this way: the people sending traffic to this are affiliates, so they want to make money from their traffic.

So, it is not in their interest to make a tube with the option <unlimited time> videos (or whatever that option is, mentioned above. They will make their tube with the vast majority being 1 or 2 min clips, to try to entice a few of their xxx thousand visitors to sign up. No-one will sign up on a tube loaded with 60mins vids - we both agree on this, right?

Right?

So, look at it this way - the web will be awash with pimproll tubes in no time. Vast majority being eg 3min clips. Duplicated content at worst everywhere you look - all SEO'd by the affiliates so the SE rankings show just tubes....

What better way to de-value tubes, make it harder to find the illegal tube, and to drive sales to quality paysites?

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There is two game changers coming to Hosted Tube next week. Nice to see 1 of our many webmasters posted their sales tho, just shows you it is very worthwhile and will only get better and better. Stay tuned!
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i'm going to bump all your old threads where you used to say if you were 1:300 with your paysites or whatever you would be "over the moon.'

you are either senile or a liar or both.
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As usual, Paul, you're missing the entire point. Got domains sitting around? 10 minutes later they're a tube. Did you make a sale with them that year? Good, then you covered the cost of the domain, and everything else is gravy.

Until you have something people can plug unused domains into that'll actually grow them traffic and has the possibility of sales, you're just babbling nonsense as always.
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Am I reading this right?

You got 13,781 surfers to your tube.
They watched 20,792 video (1.5 per surfer)

1319 or 797 went to the site.
238 went to the join page

And you got no sales.

Traffic is easy to get. Making them buy something is the problem you have here 0-13,781.

13,781 getting off for free who like looking at porn.

How many do you think you need? 30,000. 60,000?

Backs up what you have in your signature.
its not 0-13781.

A hosted tube is not clicks to a sponsor. It is just the same as having a free site. Not everyone on a free site clicks to a sponsor. A blog with a picture that clicks thru to a sponsor might get more people to a sponsor, at the same time it is more misleading, but this wouldn't change much.

Not even sure why I am answering you.
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uhm how is traffic easy to get. We send some to it cause we HAVE it yes. Getting it from scratch is a whole different thing.

I am not judging these numbers now since I know a few things coming up which will be very interesting. The numbers suck I agree, however we didnt do anything else to the site then just putting it up.

Why dont you try it if its that easy? Im sure you have a domain left somewhere you can put this on. Doesn't cost you anything besides about 10 minutes to set it up. Show us how easy it is to get traffic please
saying it doesnt convert, and actually doing it and seeing it doesnt convert, paul thinks they are the same.
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Paul - I can see the angle you're coming from and you're not entirely wrong. Look at it this way: the people sending traffic to this are affiliates, so they want to make money from their traffic.
It's a difference of opinion and not really about what's right or wrong.

I count the number of people viewing the site, or the gallery. Others ignore that number and only count the number going to the site. Both are pretty dismal. IMO.

Others think they are pretty good to convert 1-500 going to the site and it take 2,550 uniques to get the 500. IN THEIR OPINION.

I think it's wrong, but realise the game of giving away more and more free content is just a game of leap frog. It started with decent numbers and gone to IMO awful numbers.

I don't agree with your scenario, because all this is teaching the surfers to keep searching for full length free videos. Legal or not doesn't come into it. They don't care, they don't think they have to pay for porn. And they are right. They don't have to. Not an opinion.

Whether converting now 7 in 250,000 is good or bad. Is just an opinion. Ultimately the ratios will get worse. Because to do otherwise would reverse the trend of the last 12 years. Then people will talk about the days when 7 in 250,000 was the good old days.

And yes IMO, 250,000 uniques looking at porn is 250,000 uniques looking at porn. If only 10% or 20% 0r 5% can be asked to click on a link, doesn't mean they don't consume porn and some of them a potential market. Well they would be if the had to pay for porn.

Just my opinion.
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It's a difference of opinion and not really about what's right or wrong.

I count the number of people viewing the site, or the gallery. Others ignore that number and only count the number going to the site. Both are pretty dismal. IMO.
In "your day" what did you count, if anything but the cash? I know stats weren't as advanced back then but still, hits to view a picture gal were relatively high and the clickthru rate to the paysite was what, 1 in a few hundred? I'm talking now *before* vids hit the scene....

Then TGPs came along, and everyone was calling chicken little.... for just cause. For everyone jacking off for free to a few pics, there came an explosion off tgps showing what they wanted for free. What was the name of that Aussie guy who did the great TGP script? I forget... anyway, hosted TGPs took care off that. And if not...

Then MGPs came along and put told to the TGPs and... bandwidth was pretty expensive at the time (2004'ish?), so not an explosion in MGPs, but it made profit for those that adapted to it.

Et alors, today, it's the tube's spotlight.....

lather, rinse, repeat.


What pimproll has done is the nail in the coffin for home-hosted tubes and the dawn of the new era.

That's how I see it. Whether or not you do, I don't really care.

You seem to be on a one-man-soapbox crusade to rid the internet of non-payed-for porn. It won't happen bud!!! Not even if all the heads of state stood up behind you.

In any case, carry on ranting, as it is quite amusing
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All I did is put Paul Markham Teens iframe instead of google analytics.
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All I did is put Paul Markham Teens iframe instead of google analytics.
Try using the Magic Join Links iframe instead, I don't even have a hosted tube up yet and I'm already seeing 458 sales from the under construction page. It's converting 1:2 (I assume the 1 visitor who didn't buy probably had a hardware failure or spilled soda on his keyboard and freaked out and wasn't processed through correctly).

Here's a customized Magic Join Links iframe to use for immediate sales:

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<magicjoinlink="INSERT PIMPROLL ID HERE" title="You're credit card just got fucked without you knowing, thanks for signing up">Welcome to my Tube Site!</magicjoinlink>
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Need more porn? Visit <a href="http://yessignals.com">YES SIGNALS!</a>
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just put paul on ignore and save your self a lot of wasted time.
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In "your day" what did you count, if anything but the cash? I know stats weren't as advanced back then but still, hits to view a picture gal were relatively high and the clickthru rate to the paysite was what, 1 in a few hundred? I'm talking now *before* vids hit the scene....
Actually a very good point. When I was selling Astral Blue videos, the way to get new customers was to advertise in men's magazines. This wasn't expensive if you got it right. So I soon learned that if a magazine boasted a 100k circulation it charged accordingly, usually $800. The advert would bring 100 replies spending $800 and these would carry on buying between 1-2 to all the catalogue. At $40 a tape. So they bought the magazine, then bought the sample, then bought again and again.

This pales in comparison to what the sex lines were getting in return for their advertising and why many of the magazine owners were running their own ads. David Sullivan, David Gold and Richard Desmond filled the ad pages in their own magazines with their own sex line adverts. Sullivan had a National newspaper with pages of his own adverts. That's where they made the big money to get them able to invest outside porn. Google them.

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Then TGPs came along, and everyone was calling chicken little.... for just cause. For everyone jacking off for free to a few pics, there came an explosion off tgps showing what they wanted for free. What was the name of that Aussie guy who did the great TGP script? I forget... anyway, hosted TGPs took care off that. And if not...
I have no dispute the the fact the Internet changed the game 180 degrees. That this is now the only game in town and people are stuck with the choice of playing this game or get off the pitch. I'm sure a few have made really good money. Like Roald. The majority haven't and work from home as one man bands. This is what content providers get to see. We don't get the BS that is given to affiliates.

I dispute the continual ass kissing and claiming very bad is good. The best that can be done today? Without a doubt, spot on 100% correct, but that doesn't make it good.

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Then MGPs came along and put told to the TGPs and... bandwidth was pretty expensive at the time (2004'ish?), so not an explosion in MGPs, but it made profit for those that adapted to it.

Et alors, today, it's the tube's spotlight.....

lather, rinse, repeat.
And the spiral goes down.

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What pimproll has done is the nail in the coffin for home-hosted tubes and the dawn of the new era.

That's how I see it. Whether or not you do, I don't really care.
I see it to. Just like to tell people that bad isn't good. What Pimproll have done is put another nail in the coffin of selling porn. Still a few nails to go, but it takes time.

If they hadn't done it, someone else would of. Now they have done it, who's planning to do it next. Do you think no one will copy them? That puts a nail in your coffin of 3 minute clips. Eventually most recorded porn will be given away to sell the little parts left that can't be given away, until they are given away. Then who knows.
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You seem to be on a one-man-soapbox crusade to rid the internet of non-payed-for porn. It won't happen bud!!! Not even if all the heads of state stood up behind you.

In any case, carry on ranting, as it is quite amusing
It's a nice fantasy and if it did happen you guys would see the power that porn used to have.

Amusing, what makes you think I amuse people? I see a lot of annoyance.

This is the only game left, play it or get off the field and watch. Just don't play it and claim bad is good.
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Can one of the cleverer than me people explain, because I don't get it, why this isn't very bad? Please educate me.

I counted these stats of those that gave them. So just a guide.

12,902 Raw
2,774 join page
8 sales.

That's
1-346.75 converting from the join page.
1-1612.75 from the tour.
1-4.65 of tour hits going to the join page, now that's a very high ratio so check it for me please.

250,000 uniques, converts to 12,902 tour hits. 1-19.37 click a banner.

More amusement for you Bork.
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Can those alternatives be set up in 10 minutes? That's the point I'm trying to make here -- people have unused domains that they do nothing with because they have "big plans" down the road. It never (or usually never) pans out, and the domains languish. With this solution, they can build traffic to their properties, maybe make some sales, but at least do SOMETHING with 'em.

PimpRoll has consistently been a leader in parking your unused domains, and this is the natural evolution, in my opinion.
This makes a lot of sense.
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just put paul on ignore and save your self a lot of wasted time.
Quoted for the truth!
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160k uniques and 12k video views? You win the shittiest traffic award.
OR he's using a shitty program...
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I just put it on 3 minutes and 10 free videos a day, lets see
Would be very interested in hearing if you've had better results with the 3 min. vids.

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Paul is just trying to live up to his GFY Troll of the Year title. Ignore him and maybe he'll just die off.

Literally.
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OR he's using a shitty program...
Its a tube site, not a programme. 160,000 visitors to the index and only 12,000 clicked on a video.
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Damnit. I had the perfect domain name in mind but it was already taken. Oh well. Have fun with the feeding.

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Is there any way you can lower the minimum number of videos needed to get things started. I want to use one specific niche that only has 600 or so videos and I can't progress because your system tells me I need 1000 as a minimum. None of the other niches really fit with the one I want to use here, and as a surfer I'd be pissed if I came looking for one thing and got another.

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Thanks Glen...I'll give you a shout as soon as I'm on a machine with ICQ.
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It seems pretty simple to me. It's a very easy tool to use on domains that are otherwise useless or underperforming or costing you money to manage. I've got to get in there and make a few.
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people are annoyed with your because you derail every constructive thread pontificating and things you are absolutely clueless about, painfully so. not because you are telling them some uncomfortable truth.

it's like two guys are at a lounge having a business meeting, and you sit down with them and start to give them the absolutely worst and more clueless business advice ever. you would get knocked out or kicked out. but this is the internet, so the most people can do is out you on ignore.

that said, pimproll ratios have been poor in general for a long time. nothing to do with the format generally. surfers tend to stop at the join page. have no idea why.

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Actually a very good point. When I was selling Astral Blue videos, the way to get new customers was to advertise in men's magazines. This wasn't expensive if you got it right. So I soon learned that if a magazine boasted a 100k circulation it charged accordingly, usually $800. The advert would bring 100 replies spending $800 and these would carry on buying between 1-2 to all the catalogue. At $40 a tape. So they bought the magazine, then bought the sample, then bought again and again.

This pales in comparison to what the sex lines were getting in return for their advertising and why many of the magazine owners were running their own ads. David Sullivan, David Gold and Richard Desmond filled the ad pages in their own magazines with their own sex line adverts. Sullivan had a National newspaper with pages of his own adverts. That's where they made the big money to get them able to invest outside porn. Google them.



I have no dispute the the fact the Internet changed the game 180 degrees. That this is now the only game in town and people are stuck with the choice of playing this game or get off the pitch. I'm sure a few have made really good money. Like Roald. The majority haven't and work from home as one man bands. This is what content providers get to see. We don't get the BS that is given to affiliates.

I dispute the continual ass kissing and claiming very bad is good. The best that can be done today? Without a doubt, spot on 100% correct, but that doesn't make it good.



And the spiral goes down.



I see it to. Just like to tell people that bad isn't good. What Pimproll have done is put another nail in the coffin of selling porn. Still a few nails to go, but it takes time.

If they hadn't done it, someone else would of. Now they have done it, who's planning to do it next. Do you think no one will copy them? That puts a nail in your coffin of 3 minute clips. Eventually most recorded porn will be given away to sell the little parts left that can't be given away, until they are given away. Then who knows.


It's a nice fantasy and if it did happen you guys would see the power that porn used to have.

Amusing, what makes you think I amuse people? I see a lot of annoyance.

This is the only game left, play it or get off the field and watch. Just don't play it and claim bad is good.
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Actually a very good point. When I was selling Astral Blue videos, the way to get new customers was to advertise in men's magazines. This wasn't expensive if you got it right. So I soon learned that if a magazine boasted a 100k circulation it charged accordingly, usually $800. The advert would bring 100 replies spending $800 and these would carry on buying between 1-2 to all the catalogue. At $40 a tape. So they bought the magazine, then bought the sample, then bought again and again.
so you just admitted you would get what would be a 1:1000 ratio back in the magazine days. yet online that's somehow the end of the world. fuck you are a retard. just shut up and go try and figure out how to do that puzzle with once piece you have.
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