Why does Webbilling process for rape sites?

[OneWhoKnows]

Well, actually I always thought webbilling is a respected and serious company, but when I saw this I just thought WTF!



So they are actually billing for a website like CruelNetwork which has nice sub-sites with names like "Brutally Raped", "Force Her", "Family Violation" and so on. I don't know about you, but certainly I wouldn't want to work with a company that has no prob processing for shit like that, not even as alternative billing solution.

[nikki99]

and what is the problem? are u american?

[sperbonzo]

If the models give their permission for simulated rape, then what is your problem? Have you seen movies put out by major film studios where there are rape scenes? Do you now no longer go to see movies from MGM, Universal, Paramount, etc? They have all put out dramas where there is a scene where a woman is raped. I guess you think that role-playing should be outlawed and no movie should be allowed to portray a rape in it....

Interesting.


Just to be clear.... it's certainly not MY taste, but I won't dictate what someone else's taste should be, as long everyone involved is a consenting adult.




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[anexsia]

Sites look like they would convert good, checking out the sponsor now.

[L-Pink]

A "rape" happens in 1/2 of all "Law and Order" episodes.

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[Fabien]

It's all fake. It's consenting adults and they get paid for their performance !
So what ?

In fact, Sperbonzo got the right answer.

Reminds me of the Maxhardcore case by the way.

Not my cup of tea but nothing illegal.

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by OneWhoKnows

Well, actually I always thought webbilling is a respected and serious company, but when I saw this I just thought WTF!



So they are actually billing for a website like CruelNetwork which has nice sub-sites with names like "Brutally Raped", "Force Her", "Family Violation" and so on. I don't know about you, but certainly I wouldn't want to work with a company that has no prob processing for shit like that, not even as alternative billing solution.

[nikki99]

once I saw a porn movie with a hole in the dirt and 6 naked woman getting burried like the dude kill em and burry em, is that illegal? if it's fake I don't think so

[nikki99]

of course, cruelmoney.com , this guy is from costa rica I guess... old member of GFY, I think is doing good

I miss costa rica!!!

[Supz]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

A "rape" happens in 1/2 of all "Law and Order" episodes.

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Or every special victims unit episode.

as sperbenzo said. Not my taste. But if its consented, its consented.

[Paul Markham]

Doesn't matter if it's consented by the actors.

It matters if it's consented by Visa. They find it, don't like it, they may pull the plug on the bank.

And every site using Webbilling gets hit.

So it's VISA's consent that matters. If they say fine, then fine. If they so not fine. Then a lot of people are in the shit.

[Wizzo]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Doesn't matter if it's consented by the actors.

It matters if it's consented by Visa. They find it, don't like it, they pull the plug on the bank.

And every site using Webbilling gets hit.

Webbilling is European Direct Debit biller, it has nothing to do with Visa.

[vsex]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Doesn't matter if it's consented by the actors.

It matters if it's consented by Visa. They find it, don't like it, they may pull the plug on the bank.

And every site using Webbilling gets hit.

So it's VISA's consent that matters. If they say fine, then fine. If they so not fine. Then a lot of people are in the shit.

Originally Posted by Wizzo

Webbilling is European Direct Debit biller, it has nothing to do with Visa.

[Captain Kawaii]

LOL...And people wonder and hate why stuff like SOPA is happening...

[nikki99]

Originally Posted by vsex

[OneWhoKnows]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Doesn't matter if it's consented by the actors.

It matters if it's consented by Visa. They find it, don't like it, they may pull the plug on the bank.

And every site using Webbilling gets hit.

So it's VISA's consent that matters. If they say fine, then fine. If they so not fine. Then a lot of people are in the shit.

I never thought I'd say this, but I agree with Paul Markham. Of course this is simulated rape, but Visa and MC don't even allow processing for sites with "sleeping" or "drunk" content. Even if Webbilling only does direct debit and other alternative billing forms - I bet if the banks find out about them processing for sites like that, they will pull the plug on their merchant accounts and all of their customers are fucked, even the ones with no questionable content.

Plus I remember how other processors got bashed in here for processing rape sites. Funny how the times are changing. Simulated or not, I'd stay far away from promoting sites like these, as I'm pretty sure they are not 100% legal in my jurisdiction.

[topnotch, standup guy]

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

LOL...And people wonder and hate why stuff like SOPA is happening...

What does SOPA have to do with this?

Is the content in question pirated?

Think again captain.

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[nikki99]

gfy members shud rape paul markham

[V_RocKs]

Greed...

[lyno]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Doesn't matter if it's consented by the actors.

It matters if it's consented by Visa. They find it, don't like it, they may pull the plug on the bank.

And every site using Webbilling gets hit.

So it's VISA's consent that matters. If they say fine, then fine. If they so not fine. Then a lot of people are in the shit.

That's why i look forward to the day they loose their
monopoly. It must be enough to follow the laws made
by government.

[Profits of Doom]

Hey look, it's fake outrage on GFY. That NEVER happens...

[12clicks]

what's wrong with a little rape?
keeps things interesting

[JFK]

Originally Posted by Profits of Doom

Hey look, it's fake outrage on GFY. That NEVER happens...

[DoubleT]

I am sure the banking partners would be thrilled to see this sort of content passing through their processing partners gateways. Conservative grey haired German bankers love the thought of making a few extra euro enabling processing for "Brutally Raped", "Force Her" and "Family Violation".

[OneWhoKnows]

Originally Posted by DoubleT

Conservative grey haired German bankers love the thought of making a few extra euro enabling processing for "Brutally Raped", "Force Her" and "Family Violation".

Another one who got why I started this topic.

[johnnyloadproductions]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

what's wrong with a little rape?
keeps things interesting

I was never into rape but love smacking a girl around a little ("Youuuuu fuckinggg bitch!" whack) and getting smacked myself.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy

What does SOPA have to do with this?

Is the content in question pirated?

Think again captain.

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Come on now, this is GFY , what's this thinking shit you talk about ?

[porno jew]

adapt or get raped.

[RyuLion]

[raymor]

Interesting. So to most of the people who replied, there is no difference at all between a police drama, where the they try to stop a rapist, and selling something to of get off on the idea of raping women? To me, there is a difference between acknowledging that crime happens versus promoting rape as erotic.

Just as you might watch Law and Order with your family, you're just as comfortable sitting down with dinner and watching a rape porn, where they present a woman screaming in anguish as the best part of a fun Saturday night? That's interesting, if so.

If you think there IS a difference between a drama that mentions a crime having occurred versus promoting the idea of rape as the way to get your rocks off, it might be interesting to ponder just what that difference is.

I think it mignt be that it's ok to have a cop drama and that doesn't necesarily make it ok to promote the idea off rape as being erotic or acceptable.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by vsex

Originally Posted by nikki99

Originally Posted by JFK

[BIGTYMER]

Raymor I get your point but people fap to tv/movie rape scenes too. Directed as erotic or not fake rape is fake rape.

[RyuLion]

Originally Posted by DWB

[TisMe]

It is sad to see people who supposedly make their living from porn being so shortsighted. No person's fantasy is any better or worse than another's as long as they stay a fantasy.

What gives anyone the right to claim that their fantasies are worthy of the protection of free speech and not someone else's? Who gets to draw that line?

Raymor, why do you think they put rape story lines into so many TV shows and Movies? Because it sells. The difference between that and fantasy rape in porn is camera angles.

Murderers on TV don't commit crimes, Rapists on TV don't commit crimes yet as soon as the clothes come off and the camera angles change all of a sudden there's a crime being committed?

Better be careful as there are people running for elected office in many countries that would outlaw your own fantasies if given the chance. Huge blocks of voters agree with them too.

We survive because of this protection, take it away from one of us and there are those who'll be quick to try and do the same to all of us.

They will use the same logic used by some in this thread, "I" find it disgusting.

SIGH...

[nikki99]

Originally Posted by porno jew

adapt or get raped.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Wizzo

Webbilling is European Direct Debit biller, it has nothing to do with Visa.

So they don't bill for VISA, no problems. Do MC like rape sites? If not then I assume they don't bill for MC either. Whose left?

You really are to dumb to think through your flaming properly. I bet you'd shit a brick if VISA decided not to allow sites that do pirating or advertise on piracy sites. That would so dent the traffic flow.

Hang on, isn't that what SOPA does?

Originally Posted by lyno

That's why i look forward to the day they loose their
monopoly. It must be enough to follow the laws made
by government.

I thought I was a dreamer, but you topped me with this dream.

Originally Posted by DoubleT

I am sure the banking partners would be thrilled to see this sort of content passing through their processing partners gateways. Conservative grey haired German bankers love the thought of making a few extra euro enabling processing for "Brutally Raped", "Force Her" and "Family Violation".

We need sites like these gambling with the rest of us like we need a hole in the head.

Billing companies, banks and VISA are the life blood of this industry. Without their compliance we're all fucked. Unless you have a better alternative. Sites that are "at or over the edge" of what CC companies and banks will accept. Don't just fuck with their future, they fuck with so many others.

Can I just ask you to cast your minds back a little while. Phatservers, Multicard and then the company that was paying affiliates and had it's money frozen. Someone help me here. And there are other processors that upset VISA. Then disappeared and took our money with them.

The only thing we can do is bill via companies who are scrupulous about who else they handle.

[nikki99]

fuck you everyone GFY

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by TisMe

It is sad to see people who supposedly make their living from porn being so shortsighted. No person's fantasy is any better or worse than another's as long as they stay a fantasy.

What gives anyone the right to claim that their fantasies are worthy of the protection of free speech and not someone else's? Who gets to draw that line?

Raymor, why do you think they put rape story lines into so many TV shows and Movies? Because it sells. The difference between that and fantasy rape in porn is camera angles.

Murderers on TV don't commit crimes, Rapists on TV don't commit crimes yet as soon as the clothes come off and the camera angles change all of a sudden there's a crime being committed?

Better be careful as there are people running for elected office in many countries that would outlaw your own fantasies if given the chance. Huge blocks of voters agree with them too.

We survive because of this protection, take it away from one of us and there are those who'll be quick to try and do the same to all of us.

They will use the same logic used by some in this thread, "I" find it disgusting.

SIGH...

Not being short sighted. I'm being a businessman.

OK you probably think it's fine to put up anything online. VISA disagree and if you don't like that, go find an industry that doesn't rely 90 on CC billing. Because it's their ball, their court and their rules.

[porno jew]

do you know what direct debit means? or are you an expert in billing now as well?

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So they don't bill for VISA, no problems. Do MC like rape sites? If not then I assume they don't bill for MC either. Whose left?

You really are to dumb to think through your flaming properly. I bet you'd shit a brick if VISA decided not to allow sites that do pirating or advertise on piracy sites. That would so dent the traffic flow.

Hang on, isn't that what SOPA does?



I thought I was a dreamer, but you topped me with this dream.



We need sites like these gambling with the rest of us like we need a hole in the head.

Billing companies, banks and VISA are the life blood of this industry. Without their compliance we're all fucked. Unless you have a better alternative. Sites that are "at or over the edge" of what CC companies and banks will accept. Don't just fuck with their future, they fuck with so many others.

Can I just ask you to cast your minds back a little while. Phatservers, Multicard and then the company that was paying affiliates and had it's money frozen. Someone help me here. And there are other processors that upset VISA. Then disappeared and took our money with them.

The only thing we can do is bill via companies who are scrupulous about who else they handle.

[TisMe]

Paul, think before you type.

They are NOT using Visa to process this site.

Unlike you I'm a businessman who thinks, and I think that the responsibility that comes with having protected free speech for myself and my business is the obligation to protect the same rights for others, even if their speech makes me ill.

Fantasy is just that, fantasy and even if your own is having a mouse ride a cat while dragging you behind by your testicles, I'll support YOUR right to have that fantasy.

Or me.

[BIGTYMER]

Originally Posted by porno jew

do you know what direct debit means? or are you an expert in billing now as well?

God gets advice from him dude!

[OneWhoKnows]

Originally Posted by porno jew

do you know what direct debit means? or are you an expert in billing now as well?

It doesn't matter if it's direct debit or credit card billing. You need banks to process direct debit, and if these banks get aware of what they are actually billing for, they will pull the plug without a doubt.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by raymor

Interesting. So to most of the people who replied, there is no difference at all between a police drama, where the they try to stop a rapist, and selling something to of get off on the idea of raping women? To me, there is a difference between acknowledging that crime happens versus promoting rape as erotic.

Just as you might watch Law and Order with your family, you're just as comfortable sitting down with dinner and watching a rape porn, where they present a woman screaming in anguish as the best part of a fun Saturday night? That's interesting, if so.

If you think there IS a difference between a drama that mentions a crime having occurred versus promoting the idea of rape as the way to get your rocks off, it might be interesting to ponder just what that difference is.

I think it mignt be that it's ok to have a cop drama and that doesn't necesarily make it ok to promote the idea off rape as being erotic or acceptable.

oh! so its not me getting raped, its some woman?
my bad

[TisMe]

Sorry 12clicks, maybe next time

Onewhoknows should have a new nick, onewhoassumes.

How the hell do you know what the bank does or doesn't know?

Onewhoguesses perhaps?

[CyberHustler]

My dick shrunk 2 centimeters from reading this thread... be warned.

[raymor]

Originally Posted by BIGTYMER

Raymor I get your point but people fap to tv/movie rape scenes too. Directed as erotic or not fake rape is fake rape.

They may, but I sure wouldn't promote that. I think promoting fapping to rape is pretty disgusting myself.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by TisMe

Paul, think before you type.

They are NOT using Visa to process this site.

Unlike you I'm a businessman who thinks, and I think that the responsibility that comes with having protected free speech for myself and my business is the obligation to protect the same rights for others, even if their speech makes me ill.

Fantasy is just that, fantasy and even if your own is having a mouse ride a cat while dragging you behind by your testicles, I'll support YOUR right to have that fantasy.

Or me.

I said OK if they don't use Visa or MC. They used to.





Then all is fine with Webbilling, it's a bank transfer.

I understand and support your stance on free speech. The problem is that freedom stretches to payment companies. They are free to do business with who they choose. And we all need to be over cautious on this. We all got fucked so many times in the past.

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by raymor

They may, but I sure wouldn't promote that. I think promoting fapping to rape is pretty disgusting myself.

I agree with you. That's why we are free to not view it, or work with it, if we don't want to.

And religious nuts who think the stuff that YOU work with/produce is disgusting, are ALSO free to not produce or view your stuff.



Freedom.

Messy, ain't it?



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[OneWhoKnows]

Well, a statement from a Webbilling rep, regarding if their banks know about the content they process for and they are fine with it, would be nice.

[porno jew]

oh who gives a fuck? different countries and cultures have different ideas on what constitutes porn. it's called moral relativism and it does exist.