CNN Poll: Obama tied with Romney & Paul in November showdowns

[glamourmodels]

Washington (CNN) ? Mitt Romney is all tied up with President Barack Obama in a likely general election matchup, with the president showing signs of weakness on the economy and Romney seen as out of touch with ordinary Americans, according to a new national survey.

And a CNN/ORC International Poll released Monday also indicates that Rep. Ron Paul of Texas is also even with Obama in another possible showdown this November. The survey also suggests the Republican advantage on voter enthusiasm is eroding, which could be crucial in a close contest.

According to the survey, if the November election were held today and Romney were the Republican presidential nominee, 48% say they'd vote for the former Massachusetts governor, with 47% supporting the president. Romney's one point margin is well within the poll's sampling error.

The poll also indicates Paul statistically tied with Obama, with the president at 48% and the longtime congressman at 46%. But according to the poll, the president is doing better against two other Republican presidential candidates. If Rick Santorum were the GOP nominee, Obama would hold a 51%-45% advantage over the former senator from Pennsylvania. And if Newt Gingrich faced off against the president, Obama would lead the former House speaker 52%-43%.

The poll was conducted for CNN by ORC International from January 11-12, with 1,021 adult Americans, including 928 registered voters, conducted by telephone on January 11-12, 2012. The survey's overall sampling error is plus or minus 3 percentage points.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...ns/?hpt=hp_bn3

[DWB]

OK, so it's down to these three guys. Out of them Ron Paul is the best. Hands down.

And really, it's down to Obama and Paul, because Romney is a flip flopping ass fucking waiting to happen.

So you have 4 more years of Obama and his corporate buddies (good luck with that), or you roll the dice on Ron Paul who follows the Constitution, wants to bring ALL the troops home from around the world, end the IRS, and stop poking Americas cock in places around the world where it doesn't belong. His ideas are not the norm, but they just may work.

It's a no brainer, even if you don't like Ron Paul.

Ron Paul 2012

[Sin_Vraal]

You know I'm a ron paul supporter. but fuck I wish he'd just shut the fuck up about the bring the toops home...

He could say... 'You know what, I totally believe we should bring troops home, but in the interest of actually winning this election and getting shit done in congress, I'll lick some sack and make this one concession. I'll let us go be imperials, if we the people get a cut of the spoils' ...

There are so many other things he can spend the next 8 years fixing ... he's never gonna get the military stuff cleared up anyway.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by Sin_Vraal

You know I'm a ron paul supporter. but fuck I wish he'd just shut the fuck up about the bring the toops home...

He could say... 'You know what, I totally believe we should bring troops home, but in the interest of actually winning this election and getting shit done in congress, I'll lick some sack and make this one concession. I'll let us go be imperials, if we the people get a cut of the spoils' ...

There are so many other things he can spend the next 8 years fixing ... he's never gonna get the military stuff cleared up anyway.

Who has the final call to bring troops home from non-war countries, the president or the congress?

I think he (or someone) should bring them all home. Why do we have troops in countries that we are not at war with? Germany, Japan, Guam... and the list goes on. If we want to play Empire, it is only fair to let the Chinese set up a base in Mexico and the Russians in Canada. How about the Iranians get a base in Haiti? None of that would fly, so I don't think we should have bases all over the world. The world doesn't hate the USA for it's freedom, they hate the USA for its hypocrisy, war mongering and meddling.

[glamourmodels]

As Commander in Chief, bringing the troops home is one of the only things that Ron Paul could do unilaterally, so I doubt he would drop that issue for expediency, but it likely wont matter soon as the US is bankrupt anyway so it will probably be forced upon the lawmakers soon enough anyway, money printing ability and all.

Originally Posted by Sin_Vraal

You know I'm a ron paul supporter. but fuck I wish he'd just shut the fuck up about the bring the toops home...

He could say... 'You know what, I totally believe we should bring troops home, but in the interest of actually winning this election and getting shit done in congress, I'll lick some sack and make this one concession. I'll let us go be imperials, if we the people get a cut of the spoils' ...

There are so many other things he can spend the next 8 years fixing ... he's never gonna get the military stuff cleared up anyway.

[iSpyCams]

Originally Posted by DWB

If we want to play Empire, it is only fair to let the Chinese set up a base in Mexico and the Russians in Canada. How about the Iranians get a base in Haiti? None of that would fly, so I don't think we should have bases all over the world. The world doesn't hate the USA for it's freedom, they hate the USA for its hypocrisy, war mongering and meddling.

That's not how you play Empire. Empire sucks if you're not winning.

I agree with you in general, I just thought I'd point that out.

[glamourmodels]

Nice toupee

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

That's not how you play Empire. Empire sucks if you're not winning.

I agree with you in general, I just thought I'd point that out.

[porno jew]

ron paul will never win, but that's what would happen. domestically he would remove any final barriers that stop corporate power and religious nutjubs from running unchecked and throw back america to the dark ages, but he would hit a wall with the military and leave it untouched.

ron paul 2012.

Originally Posted by Sin_Vraal

You know I'm a ron paul supporter. but fuck I wish he'd just shut the fuck up about the bring the toops home...

He could say... 'You know what, I totally believe we should bring troops home, but in the interest of actually winning this election and getting shit done in congress, I'll lick some sack and make this one concession. I'll let us go be imperials, if we the people get a cut of the spoils' ...

There are so many other things he can spend the next 8 years fixing ... he's never gonna get the military stuff cleared up anyway.

[glamourmodels]

speak louder, I cant hear you

This message is hidden because porno jew is on your ignore list.

[seeandsee]

RON PAUL #WINNING

I want him to win, will he win, i hope so )

[glamourmodels]

Frankly, I am not sure America in general is intelligent enough to vote him in, much less the Republicans seeing he really is their best shot to win in November, but for the citizens of America I hope so. If not, no skin off my nose, they will just have to live with their decision.

On the other hand, they might not have to "live with it" at all since if Dr. Paul does not get into office, America will suffer a complete economic collapse, without question. Even if he does get in, he might not be able to stop it but he is the only one that has any semblance of a chance to avert it. But, at this point I am just an observer. I am emotionally removed from the situation.

Originally Posted by seeandsee

RON PAUL #WINNING

I want him to win, will he win, i hope so )

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by DWB

OK, so it's down to these three guys. Out of them Ron Paul is the best. Hands down.

And really, it's down to Obama and Paul, because Romney is a flip flopping ass fucking waiting to happen.

I would LOVE to see Mitt Romney try and debate President Obama. That poor bastard Romney would crawl of stage crying.

Paul is by far the smartest republican of the bunch (which is not saying much, sorry), but he's an old racist sob. He's smart enough to keep that shit in check these days but I wonder how much of it is still simmering under the surface....

Originally Posted by DWB

So you have 4 more years of Obama and his corporate buddies (good luck with that),

If you're lucky.... better cross your fingers and hope that he wins.

Originally Posted by DWB

or you roll the dice on Ron Paul who follows the Constitution,

Yes but he's a racist.

Originally Posted by DWB

wants to bring ALL the troops home from around the world,

GOOD! I like this about the man.

Originally Posted by DWB

end the IRS

What? Look. Not everyone likes to pay taxes but it's a necessity. Get over it.
Ron Paul 2012[/QUOTE]

[glamourmodels]

This is what always amazes me about Romney supporters is that they think he is such a great debater. He's not. He's a fucking stammering, stutterer for fuck's sake LOL - The only reason it does not come out more is because he's an entitled rich prick that knows the fix is in, but he has shown many times in the past when you get him on the ropes he really is a shitty debater.

Ron Paul is not the greatest debater either. There are many times when i am frustrated by him not saying something as a rebuttal that I know he knows, but he would still fuck up Obama in a debate for one reason, the truth is on his side. Even if the messenger is flawed, the message is still unassailable. The problem is a lot of his positions (while correct) are not easily explained by quick soundbytes, and frankly, most people are too dumb to know any better, but nonetheless, he is correct on most issues and I am certain in a longer debate format one on one he could articulate them much more clearly and would wipe the floor with Obama. The man simply has contradicted himself and gone back on too many promises to defend himself. The difference of why Paul could score points and why Romney couldn't is because Romney's positions are too close to Obama's so he would not raise them as an issue, whereas Ron Paul could.

And Obama and his handlers know that. That's why, truth be told, despite the rhetoric and what they would have you believe, Obama would be pissing in his pants to face off against Ron Paul in a debate.

Originally Posted by **********

I would LOVE to see Mitt Romney try and debate President Obama. That poor bastard Romney would crawl of stage crying.

[nation-x]

Originally Posted by glamourmodels

the message is still unassailable

I don't agree with you on that... Ron Paul is great at using simple terms to describe his positions... but that leaves out a lot. The way to "assail" his message is to probe for more details... and when you do that, he gets frustrated very easily. His typical response is to duck the question but when they keep repeating the question and point out that he didn't answer he get's testy. Romney does the same thing.

[pornguy]

When Obama first ran I wanted him to win because he talked about and promised Change.. Well we have change and its all thats left. Change in our pockets.

I want Ron Paul to win as I think he may actually do some of the things he said, like bring the soldiers home and stop wasting that money. He may actually get rid of the Fed and that would boost the HELL out of the economy. He may actually do a lot of things.

Or, he, like Obama may prove to be a politician at heart and get in just for the money and fuck the rest of us.

Maybe we need a Convicted Felon redneck half black half latin half asian with some hard tats and a nasty ass beard and pony tail in that knows how to run a business and wants it to actually fix a few key issues.

One that does not own a suit and has calluses on his hands. One that sees the bigger working picture.


Just thunkin..

[glamourmodels]

I agree with the testiness but IMO that is because exactly what I was saying. A lot of his positions are easily misunderstood if you have the average attention span of an idiot American and he is very accustomed to the media playing on that and then leading the viewer to a conclusion that is inconsistent with his actual position.

Case in point... he wants to eventually phase out federal student loan subsidies. Oh, wow, that crazy old fucker wants to cut student aid. What a heartless fuck. Until you realize his point is that the universities KNOW that since the feds back student aid they can charge fucking outrageous tuition fees that leaves students in debt for years and years after, in some cases without even a job to show for it. Getting the feds out of student aid would mean that the overall tuition would come down and make it more affordable across the board for kids to attend in the first place, and to be able to pay back afterwards. But in a sound byte society, even though any clear headed person should be able to understand that, the message gets lost if you can only pay attention for 10 seconds LOL

So you prove my point. Because while he would get frustrated, I would be able to articulate that better, so he is not a great debater, but what can you do. What counts is the actual position, not how well you can articulate it, although it helps.

Originally Posted by nation-x

I don't agree with you on that... Ron Paul is great at using simple terms to describe his positions... but that leaves out a lot. The way to "assail" his message is to probe for more details... and when you do that, he gets frustrated very easily. His typical response is to duck the question but when they keep repeating the question and point out that he didn't answer he get's testy. Romney does the same thing.

[glamourmodels]

No one is more cynical and distrustful of politicians than me, but I think Ron Paul is the one honest politician running. Simply for the fact that the guy has been delivering the same message for years unchanged, even in the face of boos and scorn from mind numbed Republicans. It is without question not the expedient way to go. Hard to imagine someone taking a line that is unpopular with uncritical thinkers when it would be much easier to tell them what they want to hear.

Originally Posted by pornguy

When Obama first ran I wanted him to win because he talked about and promised Change.. Well we have change and its all thats left. Change in our pockets.

I want Ron Paul to win as I think he may actually do some of the things he said, like bring the soldiers home and stop wasting that money. He may actually get rid of the Fed and that would boost the HELL out of the economy. He may actually do a lot of things.

Or, he, like Obama may prove to be a politician at heart and get in just for the money and fuck the rest of us.

Maybe we need a Convicted Felon redneck half black half latin half asian with some hard tats and a nasty ass beard and pony tail in that knows how to run a business and wants it to actually fix a few key issues.

One that does not own a suit and has calluses on his hands. One that sees the bigger working picture.


Just thunkin..

[DWB]

Originally Posted by **********

Paul is by far the smartest republican of the bunch (which is not saying much, sorry), but he's an old racist sob.

I'd bet most older politicians are racists, as well as a good handful of younger ones.

Originally Posted by **********

What? Look. Not everyone likes to pay taxes but it's a necessity. Get over it.
Ron Paul 2012

This is not true. He is not ending state taxes, he want's to end federal taxes. You can reduce or due away with federal taxes if you could wrangle spending, bring home the military and stop foreign aid. It's a pipe dream, but it could be done.

[glamourmodels]

I guess we'll see-

Originally Posted by seeandsee

RON PAUL #WINNING

I want him to win, will he win, i hope so )

[glamourmodels]

I would roll the dice with Paul, but something tells me the American public is simply too stupid to vote their own interests and nominate him. At least until the economy crashes and then it will be "OMG, why did God do this to us? What did we do to deserve this? This was totally unforseen." LOL

You get the government you deserve bitches-

Originally Posted by DWB

OK, so it's down to these three guys. Out of them Ron Paul is the best. Hands down.

And really, it's down to Obama and Paul, because Romney is a flip flopping ass fucking waiting to happen.

So you have 4 more years of Obama and his corporate buddies (good luck with that), or you roll the dice on Ron Paul who follows the Constitution, wants to bring ALL the troops home from around the world, end the IRS, and stop poking Americas cock in places around the world where it doesn't belong. His ideas are not the norm, but they just may work.

It's a no brainer, even if you don't like Ron Paul.

Ron Paul 2012

[glamourmodels]

I momentarily clicked "view post" as I was curious what you had written and thought, maybe against character, you had made a salient point... nice to see you are consistently stupid. There is comfort in knowing there is a constancy in the Universe.

Originally Posted by porno jew

ron paul will never win, but that's what would happen. domestically he would remove any final barriers that stop corporate power and religious nutjubs from running unchecked and throw back america to the dark ages, but he would hit a wall with the military and leave it untouched.

ron paul 2012.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by DWB

roll the dice on Ron Paul who follows the Constitution, wants to bring ALL the troops home from around the world, end the IRS, and stop poking Americas cock in places around the world where it doesn't belong. His ideas are not the norm, but they just may work.

Good luck with that.

You have to get Congress and the Pentagon to sign off on a lot of his radical reforms. I am not saying he is or is not on the right track with some of his ideas. However, presidential hopefuls can 'promise' you the moon before getting elected. Trying to get the other powers of government to drink your Kool Aid is a whole 'nother matter entirely.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by DWB

The world doesn't hate the USA for it's freedom, they hate the USA for its hypocrisy, war mongering and meddling.

[u-Bob]

Over here the media are trying their best to hide the fact that Ron Paul even exists.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by **********

Yes but he's a racist.

So are many other people. Some prefer to just keep it to themselves.

You'll find that as humans get older many form different opinions about other groups of people. Jews, blacks, Catholics, Paki's, Muslims whatever. Whether they dislike them for their culture, their disrespect, skin color, their views, religion (including lack thereof) or whatever.

You will find few people in this world who are truly completely neutral or indifferent on all other races or religions on this planet. Almost everyone has some hang up about some other group. That is reality.

[V_RocKs]

very quare