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iph · 01-29-2012, 09:08 AM

We already written a report to the police.

WarChild · 01-29-2012, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iph

1. Who is paxum_anton? What place does it take in your company?
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2. Why does he sidetracks an issue about his personal data and stay anonymous?

3. His rating is very negative -1225. This shows about his level of confidence among webmasters.

4. Why he let to insult and mock on clients on the forum in open form?

5. Why did he personally closed our account and also closed it to them who are disgusted by this situation?

6. Why he doesn't give any proofs about fraudulent activity? Maybe there was no fraud at all and that was your try to earn?
Such cases already happened in history. Is this normal? You are losing us as a client. I withdraw the rest of funds in amount of $10000 as Anton indicated.

7. Why did you withdrawed ouf funds without contacting or sending any notification to us?
This is direct violence of your terms.

8. Why do you withdraw money in chain and expose your customers to a risk and the whole system becomes unsecure?
A lot of affiliate programs work with exchangers, so by doing this you jeopardize them.
In your system who can be sure in his security and why I must believe to you?

9. Why did you make refunds to customers on which accounts there were no money income?
I have these evidences and also there are some on MasterX

10. Why do you charge a transaction fee even for refunds? Do you want to earn money by all means?

11. Why did you permit to a carder to open tens of accounts and add money to them without verifications?
You wanted to launder funds during a month?

12. Why one of the exchangers and Anton together approved that they knew about the fact of existence of carder in the system?
And they pointed this to one exchanger, but gave a miss to this carder, didn't attempt to do additional verifications and hold money.
You know the end.

13. How many such dirty money in the system and why I must believe to you about it's absence?

14. What is total monthly turnover passing through your system?
How many mployees work in your company, how many members are in security and antifraud departments?

15. How do you plan to solve the problem with injured?
We want to address to bbb.org, mastercard. We still didn't do this, but we are ready.
You don't care to lose your reputation in the eyes of your clients?

I want to hear detailed answers on every point above, I think everyone wants this too.

P.S.: I examined how works verification system in PAXUM and opened an account on my grandmother, she is almost 80 years old.
PAXUM has verified an account in about two hours. All the carders are welcome!

Dating Port · 01-29-2012, 09:33 AM

Withdraw received funds immediately. Legitimate entities will wait three days for funds to clear or load.

This is starting to sound strangely familiar.......

Money is in motion.......

iph · 01-29-2012, 10:52 AM

Paxum is winner of GFY Payment System Of the Year 2011

Do you think carder friendly PAXUM deserves this nomination?

Dating Port · 01-29-2012, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iph

Paxum is winner of GFY Payment System Of the Year 2011

Do you think carder friendly PAXUM deserves this nomination?

No. Being based in the US I have to jump through too many hoops to get my ACH Approved that I would otherwise not have to do. I just tried and was denied for not sending the "required" documentation. Since when have I ever had to send a pic of myself holding my license? I use Paypal,Payoneer, Netspend, Moneybookers, Western Union Online, Bank of America, and various Stock Brokerage accounts. None who have asked me for some outlandish ID requirement to hook my bank into the account to do EFT transfers.

Yes, I have Paxum too but why go through all those hoops? My credit card from the same bank works fine and the transfer takes just as long just a higher fee, that's all.

I don't leave any balance in my Paxum acct higher than $10 anyway......

Oops....you said payment system.....my bad. I guess the other ones that either died or only operate regionally sort of made them a shoe-in for the nomination. But since they're just like paypal I guess it's a tie now isn't it?

iph · 01-29-2012, 03:47 PM

Paxum says that they have no problems at all, and that the webmasters won't get hurt, does not correspond to reality

2ch dot so/biz/wakaba dot pl - please, look here and type in a search "paxum"

If you understand Russian, you'll see or believe my words, otherwise you have to use google translator.

The point is that carders and hackers are using paxum to add money from other people credit cards and then they are using those funds for buying hosting, buying traffic, and many other services

As we said above, this issue is much greater than our loss!

Nobody

can be sure to not loose their money by receiving money from other paxum account. Nobody. There are already many issues regarding this matter, many people have lost their money.

Well, it is good that we haven't lost more money, now you may be safe for now, but what about tomorrow, when all carders will find out how shitty paxum security is.

porno jew · 01-29-2012, 03:51 PM

card pulled.

DarkJedi · 01-29-2012, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iph

We already written a report to the police.

iph · 01-29-2012, 05:04 PM

Funny? Stay with Paxum and will be even funnier. Your money in the hands of cheaters.

porno jew · 01-29-2012, 05:06 PM

can you block people by country? maybe block all russian paxum users.

iph · 01-29-2012, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porno jew

can you block people by country? maybe block all russian paxum users.

Lol, Anton_paxum is vice president of Paxum. He lives in St. Petersburg

adultpir · 01-30-2012, 02:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porno jew

can you block people by country? maybe block all russian paxum users.

Can you fuck yourself hard?

Sid70 · 01-30-2012, 08:04 AM

now enters Red Pass ...

stocktrader23 · 01-30-2012, 08:38 AM

They cannot let you keep money if you used it as a money exchange and the shit was stolen. This has nothing to do with selling services, if they cover those even in case of fraud that is more than most would do.

Sid70 · 01-30-2012, 08:58 AM

Cliff Notes:

So you have received a p2p from someone in the Paxum system. That would mean both parties are verified Paxum members. Correct?

And, I heard Paxum p2p transfers are non-refundable, correct?

So you then log in and see your account charged back? And the reason is the sender is someone who used a credit card that is not bueno ( 100 reasons here ).

My 2 cents is that's on Paxum. They didn't do their job well.

Unless you play shady.

If there is no good internal solution it's time for the 3rd party to come in and clean it out. Guess who's that?

V_RocKs · 01-30-2012, 09:49 AM

Sucks this happened to you, but you really should be looking at the people you "laundered" money for...

I do paxum/paypal transfers myself, but I do them for people I know and trust. I never do transactions with people I don't know. And this is exactly why. You are getting mad at Paxum when you gave money to somebody that was basically the same thing as the Nigerian scam. They took your money and you expect Paxum to what?

Well, I will tell you what... Paxum SHOULD have in the least Emailed you to let you know this transaction was reversed. Of course this wouldn't have helped you in these three transactions because you did all of them before Paxum even knew their was a problem 2 weeks later.

But notifications on refunds just seems like a no-brainer...

dDan · 01-30-2012, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

I do paxum/paypal transfers myself, but I do them for people I know and trust. I never do transactions with people I don't know.

Yeah. And all gonna be fine with you until one of your people didnt transfer to you the money, he received from his people (or affiliate program), who received it from fraud (accidentally).

Just passing by...

iph · 01-30-2012, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Sucks this happened to you, but you really should be looking at the people you "laundered" money for...

I do paxum/paypal transfers myself, but I do them for people I know and trust. I never do transactions with people I don't know. And this is exactly why. You are getting mad at Paxum when you gave money to somebody that was basically the same thing as the Nigerian scam. They took your money and you expect Paxum to what?

Well, I will tell you what... Paxum SHOULD have in the least Emailed you to let you know this transaction was reversed. Of course this wouldn't have helped you in these three transactions because you did all of them before Paxum even knew their was a problem 2 weeks later.

But notifications on refunds just seems like a no-brainer...

What are you say about question 12

Why one of the exchangers and Anton together approved that they knew about the fact of existence of carder in the system? And they pointed this to one exchanger, but gave a miss to this carder, didn't attempt to do additional verifications and hold money.

You know the end.

RyuLion · 01-30-2012, 03:48 PM

iph · 01-31-2012, 05:05 AM

Maybe it's anonymous Anton from Paxum?

Paxum is carders friendly company.

DarkJedi · 01-31-2012, 07:30 AM

congrats to Paxum for taking out the scammers

iph · 01-31-2012, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

congrats to Paxum for taking out the scammers

Why did you permit to a carder to open tens of accounts and add money to them without verifications?

DarkJedi stay with Paxum and enjoy carder friendly system.

iph · 01-31-2012, 02:23 PM

Passed another day without answers to important questions for webmasters.

Who are these anonymous cheaters (Anton - russian vise president , Octav, RuthB) who work with you?

Paxum is the best place for carders. Stay with Paxum (c)

KillerK · 01-31-2012, 05:19 PM

This is why I won't deal with Paxum.

Fuck them, and I hope this causes the end of them.

Adam_M · 01-31-2012, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iph

Passed another day without answers to important questions for webmasters.

Who are these anonymous cheaters (Anton - russian vise president , Octav, RuthB) who work with you?

Paxum is the best place for carders. Stay with Paxum (c)

Do you declare and pay tax on all your Paxum income?

Sid70 · 02-01-2012, 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam_M

Do you declare and pay tax on all your Paxum income?

That's what I say, if you are US based just stick to wires and checks.

Klen · 02-01-2012, 04:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iph

Passed another day without answers to important questions for webmasters.

Who are these anonymous cheaters (Anton - russian vise president , Octav, RuthB) who work with you?

Paxum is the best place for carders. Stay with Paxum (c)

Nop,i am very sure how paypal is best place for carders

iph · 02-01-2012, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam_M

Do you declare and pay tax on all your Paxum income?

Yes, of course.

CaptainHowdy · 02-01-2012, 09:18 AM

The only bad thing so far about Paxum is that I don't have any money on my account ...

iph · 02-01-2012, 09:22 AM

Stupid and funny letter from Octave. Who knows him?

> I am sorry but I will not get dragged in arguments like those we are
> not kids in school to get to twist eachother statements forever. Some
> of your questions are legitimate suggestions and I will discuss it
> with our team and others like question 5,9 are completely false
> statements. Other questions are not meant to be answered as not to
> help cheaters and carders do their job better.
>
> Bottom line no money will be refunded to anybody that participated in
> the fraud. If somebody had been taken money in error he could come
> forward and I will have his case reanalyzed for example an account
> that got a transaction reversed but is in no way linked to the
> fraudulent money transactions by error.
>
> Our terms and conditions are very clear all fraudulent transactions
> get refunded. The exchangers that are now in negative should go after
> the people they accepted the money from or the people they paid for
> with that money to recover their money and not Paxum. It does not
> matter what the amount is $1 or $1 million a fraud is a fraud and we
> will not go against our terms and conditions and will not show
> cheaters and fraudsters that they can defraud us and if they cry on
> boards they will get money out of paxum.
>
>
> Now that being said, I think that there is no point to argue with
> anybody on boards or emails as we are just wasting time. I will not
> comment further on the matter as it is not my job to do it I am not a
> customer support representative I will let our customer support handle
> it one by one by ticket system or email or phone call.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Octav

AllAboutCams · 02-01-2012, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iph

Stupid and funny letter from Octave. Who knows him?

> I am sorry but I will not get dragged in arguments like those we are
> not kids in school to get to twist eachother statements forever. Some
> of your questions are legitimate suggestions and I will discuss it
> with our team and others like question 5,9 are completely false
> statements. Other questions are not meant to be answered as not to
> help cheaters and carders do their job better.
>
> Bottom line no money will be refunded to anybody that participated in
> the fraud. If somebody had been taken money in error he could come
> forward and I will have his case reanalyzed for example an account
> that got a transaction reversed but is in no way linked to the
> fraudulent money transactions by error.
>
> Our terms and conditions are very clear all fraudulent transactions
> get refunded. The exchangers that are now in negative should go after
> the people they accepted the money from or the people they paid for
> with that money to recover their money and not Paxum. It does not
> matter what the amount is $1 or $1 million a fraud is a fraud and we
> will not go against our terms and conditions and will not show
> cheaters and fraudsters that they can defraud us and if they cry on
> boards they will get money out of paxum.
>
>
> Now that being said, I think that there is no point to argue with
> anybody on boards or emails as we are just wasting time. I will not
> comment further on the matter as it is not my job to do it I am not a
> customer support representative I will let our customer support handle
> it one by one by ticket system or email or phone call.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Octav

somebody is mad

iph · 02-01-2012, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxupdate

somebody is mad

Somebody?

AllAboutCams · 02-01-2012, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iph

Somebody?

well it could be anybody really i.e. paxum getting a bad name and people loosing money

iph · 02-01-2012, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxupdate

well it could be anybody really i.e. paxum getting a bad name and people loosing money

From this letter we see that PAXUM does not respect users that have no rights.

01-29-2012, 09:08 AM	#51
iph Registered User Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 32	We already written a report to the police. __________________ iphosters.com - Virtual Hosting, VPS, Dedicated Servers in EU/US, domain registration

01-29-2012, 09:33 AM	#53
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01-29-2012, 10:52 AM	#54
iph Registered User Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 32	Paxum is winner of GFY Payment System Of the Year 2011 Do you think carder friendly PAXUM deserves this nomination? __________________ iphosters.com - Virtual Hosting, VPS, Dedicated Servers in EU/US, domain registration

01-29-2012, 03:47 PM	#56
iph Registered User Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 32	Paxum says that they have no problems at all, and that the webmasters won't get hurt, does not correspond to reality 2ch dot so/biz/wakaba dot pl - please, look here and type in a search "paxum" If you understand Russian, you'll see or believe my words, otherwise you have to use google translator. The point is that carders and hackers are using paxum to add money from other people credit cards and then they are using those funds for buying hosting, buying traffic, and many other services As we said above, this issue is much greater than our loss! Nobody can be sure to not loose their money by receiving money from other paxum account. Nobody. There are already many issues regarding this matter, many people have lost their money. Well, it is good that we haven't lost more money, now you may be safe for now, but what about tomorrow, when all carders will find out how shitty paxum security is. __________________ iphosters.com - Virtual Hosting, VPS, Dedicated Servers in EU/US, domain registration

01-29-2012, 05:04 PM	#59
iph Registered User Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 32	Funny? Stay with Paxum and will be even funnier. Your money in the hands of cheaters. __________________ iphosters.com - Virtual Hosting, VPS, Dedicated Servers in EU/US, domain registration

01-29-2012, 03:51 PM	#57
porno jew Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,166	card pulled.

01-29-2012, 05:06 PM	#60
porno jew Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,166	can you block people by country? maybe block all russian paxum users.

01-30-2012, 08:04 AM	#63
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01-30-2012, 08:38 AM	#64
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01-30-2012, 08:58 AM	#65
Sid70 Downshifter Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Road trip Posts: 16,413	Cliff Notes: So you have received a p2p from someone in the Paxum system. That would mean both parties are verified Paxum members. Correct? And, I heard Paxum p2p transfers are non-refundable, correct? So you then log in and see your account charged back? And the reason is the sender is someone who used a credit card that is not bueno ( 100 reasons here ). My 2 cents is that's on Paxum. They didn't do their job well. Unless you play shady. If there is no good internal solution it's time for the 3rd party to come in and clean it out. Guess who's that? __________________ Русня, идите нахуй! Last edited by Sid70; 01-30-2012 at 09:00 AM..

01-30-2012, 09:49 AM	#66
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,391	Sucks this happened to you, but you really should be looking at the people you "laundered" money for... I do paxum/paypal transfers myself, but I do them for people I know and trust. I never do transactions with people I don't know. And this is exactly why. You are getting mad at Paxum when you gave money to somebody that was basically the same thing as the Nigerian scam. They took your money and you expect Paxum to what? Well, I will tell you what... Paxum SHOULD have in the least Emailed you to let you know this transaction was reversed. Of course this wouldn't have helped you in these three transactions because you did all of them before Paxum even knew their was a problem 2 weeks later. But notifications on refunds just seems like a no-brainer...

01-30-2012, 03:48 PM	#69
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01-31-2012, 05:05 AM	#70
iph Registered User Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 32	Maybe it's anonymous Anton from Paxum? Paxum is carders friendly company. __________________ iphosters.com - Virtual Hosting, VPS, Dedicated Servers in EU/US, domain registration

01-31-2012, 07:30 AM	#71
DarkJedi No Refunds Issued. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: GFY Posts: 28,300	congrats to Paxum for taking out the scammers

01-31-2012, 02:23 PM	#73
iph Registered User Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 32	Passed another day without answers to important questions for webmasters. Who are these anonymous cheaters (Anton - russian vise president , Octav, RuthB) who work with you? Paxum is the best place for carders. Stay with Paxum (c) __________________ iphosters.com - Virtual Hosting, VPS, Dedicated Servers in EU/US, domain registration

01-31-2012, 05:19 PM	#74
KillerK Confirmed User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,406	This is why I won't deal with Paxum. Fuck them, and I hope this causes the end of them.

02-01-2012, 09:18 AM	#79
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02-01-2012, 09:22 AM	#80
iph Registered User Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 32	Stupid and funny letter from Octave. Who knows him? > I am sorry but I will not get dragged in arguments like those we are > not kids in school to get to twist eachother statements forever. Some > of your questions are legitimate suggestions and I will discuss it > with our team and others like question 5,9 are completely false > statements. Other questions are not meant to be answered as not to > help cheaters and carders do their job better. > > Bottom line no money will be refunded to anybody that participated in > the fraud. If somebody had been taken money in error he could come > forward and I will have his case reanalyzed for example an account > that got a transaction reversed but is in no way linked to the > fraudulent money transactions by error. > > Our terms and conditions are very clear all fraudulent transactions > get refunded. The exchangers that are now in negative should go after > the people they accepted the money from or the people they paid for > with that money to recover their money and not Paxum. It does not > matter what the amount is $1 or $1 million a fraud is a fraud and we > will not go against our terms and conditions and will not show > cheaters and fraudsters that they can defraud us and if they cry on > boards they will get money out of paxum. > > > Now that being said, I think that there is no point to argue with > anybody on boards or emails as we are just wasting time. I will not > comment further on the matter as it is not my job to do it I am not a > customer support representative I will let our customer support handle > it one by one by ticket system or email or phone call. > > > Regards > > Octav __________________ iphosters.com - Virtual Hosting, VPS, Dedicated Servers in EU/US, domain registration