when did mega upload get convicted of copyright infringement

[gideongallery]

The repeated statement when people talk about all the innocent people used mega upload back up their content( without sharing)

is that they deserve to get fucked over because they used a pirate hosting company.

So when exactly did mega upload get convicted.

In america your innocent until proven guilty.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

The repeated statement when people talk about all the innocent people used mega upload back up their content( without sharing)

is that they deserve to get fucked over because they used a pirate hosting company.

So when exactly did mega upload get convicted.

In america your innocent until proven guilty.

Stop stealing, son.

[porno jew]

who is repeating that? no one. you are hearing voices again.

[DEA]

kim dot oh im so fucked

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by porno jew

who is repeating that? no one. you are hearing voices again.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Megaupload users face data deletion US prosecutors warn

You store anything with a criminal operation, you should have a back up. In most cases I suspect millions have back ups of the data stored on MU.

Originally Posted by DWB

Can't imagine the dumb shit he's spewing now. Criminals are always trying to explain their reasons until the better end.

Originally Posted by DWB

What idiot would put something important (key word is "important") on a file sharing site and then not keep a single backup elsewhere?

IMHO if you are that stupid you deserve to lose whatever you loaded there and it's probably best they cut your balls off so you can't contaminate the gene pool. Maybe even banned from the internet.

tons of people have been making that argument repeatedly

those two are from a single thread

[porno jew]

look at who you picked.

[DBS.US]

Guilty due to association
Sleep with dog and your going to get fleas.

[Overload]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

In america your innocent until proven guilty.

uh? since when?! just one word: GITMO ... there is no "justice for all" --- just for those able to PAY for justice ... money rules the US no matter what the law says

[fris]

most of the people that used megaupload didnt use it for personal reasons im betting

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by Overload

uh? since when?! just one word: GITMO ... there is no "justice for all" --- just for those able to PAY for justice ... money rules the US no matter what the law says

And we left the rest of the world for you, the poor trash

[SmutHammer]

In most cases in America your guilty until proven innocent.

[epitome]

Because you fucktard, anybody that is even 1% in this god damn business knows what the fuck was going on at mega upload.

We don't need a jury to tell us it was a pirate haven.

Go back to your torrents. Just about everybody has told you that you're not welcome here.

[Overload]

Originally Posted by epitome

Because you fucktard, anybody that is even 1% in this god damn business knows what the fuck was going on at mega upload.

We don't need a jury to tell us it was a pirate haven.

Go back to your torrents. Just about everybody has told you that you're not welcome here.

and yet ... what law was applied to shut them down? what jurisdication? witnesses? court? WHAT? ok, i KNOW they were bad boys but still ... this STINKS somehow and smells like internet CONTROL to me ...

[raymor]

Originally Posted by Overload

and yet ... what law was applied to shut them down? what jurisdication? witnesses? court? WHAT? ok, i KNOW they were bad boys but still ... this STINKS somehow and smells like internet CONTROL to me ...

In point of fact, grand juries DO have witnesses and it was a court order, based on the evidence, that seized the evidence (servers) which were located within the court's jurisdiction.

Based on the grand jury's decision that there was probable cause (the jury deciding they are probably guilty), the evidence and suspects were held for trial.

[porno jew]

they were supposedly monitoring their skypes and emails for the last five years (!) and they said the had court orders to do so.

if i was running a file locker i would shitting right now.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by Overload

and yet ... what law was applied to shut them down? what jurisdication? witnesses? court? WHAT? ok, i KNOW they were bad boys but still ... this STINKS somehow and smells like internet CONTROL to me ...

So the criminals aren't to blame?

Yeah, it is control. It's law enforcement. Obey the laws and you're good, just like anywhere else.

If Kim Dotcom didn't have servers in the US, never visited the US and didn't live in a country that has an extradition agreement with the US, this story wouldn't be happening.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by epitome

So the criminals aren't to blame?

Yeah, it is control. It's law enforcement. Obey the laws and you're good, just like anywhere else.

If Kim Dotcom didn't have servers in the US, never visited the US and didn't live in a country that has an extradition agreement with the US, this story wouldn't be happening.

Even easier, responded to DMCA's legitimately and didn't discuss paying pirates with his employees. Site like that, you don't want to know shit about what they are uploading, lol.

[TheSquealer]

You should be convicted of being retarded.

[theking]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

The repeated statement when people talk about all the innocent people used mega upload back up their content( without sharing)

is that they deserve to get fucked over because they used a pirate hosting company.

So when exactly did mega upload get convicted.

In america your innocent until proven guilty.

The phrase "innocent until proven guilty" is only applicable in a court of law and does not apply to an individual person's thoughts of guilt or innocence.

[L-Pink]

Pick the guy that gives a fuck about file lockers.



.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by raymor

In point of fact, grand juries DO have witnesses and it was a court order, based on the evidence, that seized the evidence (servers) which were located within the court's jurisdiction.

Based on the grand jury's decision that there was probable cause (the jury deciding they are probably guilty), the evidence and suspects were held for trial.

you can't be that stupid, grand juries don't decide that they are probably guilty, they decide if there is any possibility of a case, based on the one sided presentation of the evidence.


That why the principle of innocent UNTIL proven guilty is in place

because a grand jury will convict a ham sandwich

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by theking

The phrase "innocent until proven guilty" is only applicable in a court of law and does not apply to an individual person's thoughts of guilt or innocence.

And if the state followed that principle i would have no issue, the people who used the file locker in the perfectly legal way would still have access to their files and service.


why couldn't the government keep the site up with the message all activity is being logged

How much "piracy" would go on if that happened.

none

[Slappin Fish]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

And if the state followed that principle i would have no issue, the people who used the file locker in the perfectly legal way would still have access to their files and service.


why couldn't the government keep the site up with the message all activity is being logged

How much "piracy" would go on if that happened.

none

The government should pay bandwidth bills and run a website...

If a porn site goes down for having illegal porn should the government continue running the website for legal customers?

Megaupload wasn't a public service you dumbass, just another privately run enterprise.

If peoples files were so dear, they should have done their homework and not risk associating with a company that was so deeply involved in facilitating copyright infringement.

[DWB]

The thread title was so retarded I HAD to take Gideon Gallbladder off ignore to see what it was. The I quickly put him back because he once again showed what a dumb ass he is.

Originally Posted by raymor

In point of fact, grand juries DO have witnesses and it was a court order, based on the evidence, that seized the evidence (servers) which were located within the court's jurisdiction.

Based on the grand jury's decision that there was probable cause (the jury deciding they are probably guilty), the evidence and suspects were held for trial.

Originally Posted by porno jew

they were supposedly monitoring their skypes and emails for the last five years (!) and they said the had court orders to do so.

if i was running a file locker i would shitting right now.

I'd be shitting in my pants if I was involved in ANY piracy empire right now. Knowing the feds have been using government spyware to watch your communication... one good slip and you are FUCKED. There is no telling who they have been watching (if anyone) or who is about to have the rug pulled from under them. Maybe no one, maybe someone huge.

Right about now all of them are going back over all their chat logs and emails.

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Pick the guy that gives a fuck about file lockers.



.

Fuck, that is awesome.

[Paul Markham]

Not sure if anyone has pointed out to Giddumbass. No person charged, stuck in jail without bail and even in court has been "convicted".

When the jury foreman stands up, then Kim "the pirasite" Dotcom, will find out his future.

Dumbass GG, what you putting your money on? LOL

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

And if the state followed that principle i would have no issue, the people who used the file locker in the perfectly legal way would still have access to their files and service.


why couldn't the government keep the site up with the message all activity is being logged

How much "piracy" would go on if that happened.

none
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yeaaaah ok

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by Slappin Fish

If a porn site goes down for having illegal porn should the government continue running the website for legal customers?

clarify this is an interesting statement given the fact that nasty dollars had underage model on their site (because she faked id) and it was a hosted gallery that many webmasters loaded on their servers/sites

are you saying all those sites should be shut down, wiped off the face of the internet just like mega upload.

if not why the double standard.

[seeandsee]

it's pirated heaven but why other file sharign sites are still up, almost oall of them are working on same sheme

[newB]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

clarify this is an interesting statement given the fact that nasty dollars had underage model on their site (because she faked id) and it was a hosted gallery that many webmasters loaded on their servers/sites

are you saying all those sites should be shut down, wiped off the face of the internet just like mega upload.

if not why the double standard.

Do you even know what a hosted gallery is? A hosted gallery is so-named because it is hosted by the sponsor, in this case ND. As such, they retain complete control so when they delete the content it is inaccessible to anyone linking to it, which is what they did. Those that ripped the content and uploaded it to their own servers would of course be subject to legal reprisals.

All of that is moot, however, since the big difference here is that ND took immediate action to remove the content where MU did nothing of the sort.

[Slappin Fish]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

clarify this is an interesting statement given the fact that nasty dollars had underage model on their site (because she faked id) and it was a hosted gallery that many webmasters loaded on their servers/sites

are you saying all those sites should be shut down, wiped off the face of the internet just like mega upload.

if not why the double standard.

Did Nasty Dollars internal communication show they knew she was underage or send each other pictures saying hey look at this 17 year old?

There is no double standard. Megaupload didn't go down because they had "an" illegal file on their server. They went down because they were purposely not removing know copyright content from their servers after being made aware of it, purposely misleading copyright owners by keeping the content and issuing new URLs. Had Nasty Dollars ignored the warnings or tried to circumvent them they would have been shut down too

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Not sure if anyone has pointed out to Giddumbass. No person charged, stuck in jail without bail and even in court has been "convicted".

Exactly
you and DWB are arguing that people who used mega upload in exactly the way it should have been legally used (as a backup only)

should lose their stuff because the government took away a service which under the law is still legal.

When the jury foreman stands up, then Kim "the pirasite" Dotcom, will find out his future.

Dumbass GG, what you putting your money on? LOL

betting man i would say it will go the same way as youtube did

however i could be wrong.

The supreme court in Sweden refused to hear the appeal of the pirate bay even though the police admitted they didn't turn off dht when they were connecting to the swarm.

Any tech with half a brain knows that means that police were more likely to be getting the content WITHOUT any involvement from the pirate bay tracker.

In effect they got convicted of facilitating copyright infringement for a transaction they were more likely (less then 10%) to NOT be involved in at all.


As i pointed out above (with the Kiddie porn issue with nasty dollars) a shoddy argument like that getting thru has consequences well beyond just piracy arguments.

Imagine if the principle of proper police investigation allowed shoddy evidence to be used in any case, because "trust us if we had done our job properly, then the accused would have been involved" becomes the standard.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by Slappin Fish

Did Nasty Dollars internal communication show they knew she was underage or send each other pictures saying hey look at this 17 year old?

There is no double standard. Megaupload didn't go down because they had "an" illegal file on their server. They went down because they were purposely not removing know copyright content from their servers after being made aware of it, purposely misleading copyright owners by keeping the content and issuing new URLs. Had Nasty Dollars ignored the warnings or tried to circumvent them they would have been shut down too

they didn't do that

they pointed uploads to the same physical file, and issued unique urls to the uploaders

they simply removed the links to the file that were DMCAed leaving the file alone

just like youtube does

you can appeal a take down 6 years after it happened (because a fair use argument becomes validated-- lenz vs univeral) and the file will become active again

that couldn't happen if the file was removed.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by newB

Do you even know what a hosted gallery is? A hosted gallery is so-named because it is hosted by the sponsor, in this case ND. As such, they retain complete control so when they delete the content it is inaccessible to anyone linking to it, which is what they did. Those that ripped the content and uploaded it to their own servers would of course be subject to legal reprisals.

All of that is moot, however, since the big difference here is that ND took immediate action to remove the content where MU did nothing of the sort.

kiddie porn is always illegal

a copyrighted file can be linked too/accessed for fair use purposes (like backup)

MU removed all the infringing access by removing the link that were shared (and DMCAed )

leaving the links they were not sure were infringing (those that were never found because the people only used them for backup purposes).

[Slappin Fish]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

they didn't do that

they pointed uploads to the same physical file, and issued unique urls to the uploaders

they simply removed the links to the file that were dmcaed leaving the file alone

just like youtube does

you can appeal a take down 6 years after it happened (because a fair use argument becomes validated-- lenz vs univeral) and the file will become active again

that couldn't happen if the file was removed.

since we're shouting..

Youtube does not issue new URLs pointing to the same file.

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by Overload

uh? since when?! just one word: GITMO ... there is no "justice for all" --- just for those able to PAY for justice ... money rules the US no matter what the law says

yeah no justice for terrorists, that's nothing new, and the US didn't invent that. But nice try...

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

clarify this is an interesting statement given the fact that nasty dollars had underage model on their site (because she faked id) and it was a hosted gallery that many webmasters loaded on their servers/sites

are you saying all those sites should be shut down, wiped off the face of the internet just like mega upload.

if not why the double standard.

OMG,
Apples and oranges.

ND this was done with a person and a fake ID, not a company trying to break the law.

Oh wait, you mean those movies released last friday, I am not allowed to Time shift them, because when it does release in 6 months, I do plan on watching it on cable. Oh Fuck I steal Cable also.... Shit I'm Fucked. Are they back tracing me...

Think I am going to go time shift some money from a bank, or wait I mean get some of my stored money that I didn't store, HAHA Yeah I know apples and oranges, but it is almost as stupid as you look.

[raymor]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

you can't be that stupid, grand juries don't decide that they are probably guilty, they decide if there is any possibility of a case, based on the one sided presentation of the evidence.


That why the principle of innocent UNTIL proven guilty is in place

because a grand jury will convict a ham sandwich

Juries, petit and grand, make mistakes. Grand juries are charged with deciding whether or not there is "probable cause to believe" the accused commited the crime. "probable cause to believe" is the standard, in other words if they are probably guilty. Yes, based on a one sided presentation, which makes sense if the arrest / raid needs to catch the accused off guard, but perhaps not otherwise.

I replied to the post asking "what court, what witnesses", pointing out there there were in fact hearings and witnesses. That's not to say that the system is perfect, of course, but the poster seemed to think there was no hearing at all before the seizure.

I'm curious, when you get called for jury duty, will you indict or convict a ham sandwich? There has been a major change since Judge Wachtler's ham sandwich comment - grand juries are now called up from the full citizenry, just like petit juries. Again, that doesn't make them prefect, but it is due process of law.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

Stop stealing, son.

That is all that really needs to be said to gideongallery.

[slapass]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

The repeated statement when people talk about all the innocent people used mega upload back up their content( without sharing)

is that they deserve to get fucked over because they used a pirate hosting company.

So when exactly did mega upload get convicted.

In america your innocent until proven guilty.

I feel sorry for the three or so innocent people. Oh wait they just notified to remove their stuff. So they only loose if they are totally without a clue right? They also had to load up their stuff and then delete it from where it was.

The fact that they are guilty of the charges and any moron can see it means that a reasonable person would be looking to secure their documents. It is unreasonable to assume that they should wait for a conviction to make some other arrangements.

[d-null]

Originally Posted by epitome

So the criminals aren't to blame?

Yeah, it is control. It's law enforcement. Obey the laws and you're good, just like anywhere else.

If Kim Dotcom didn't have servers in the US, never visited the US and didn't live in a country that has an extradition agreement with the US, this story wouldn't be happening.

so I guess it is up to the user to check all site server locations and information on the residence of company principles before uploading any important backups

[seeme]

Its the USA, if they want your ass they get it. They just find a reason...

[NewNick]

Oh dear poor Mr Gallbladder. Not getting over this whole MU thing are we.

Do I sense that you are grieving here ? I can send you the contact details of an excellent counselling service.

GET OVER IT.

[SmokeyTheBear]

osama was never convicted of a crime either..

gideon would like you to know the 9/11 bombers are innocent and so was osama.

How dare all you cretins say bad things about al-queda and osama bin laden. innocent until proven guilty.

[ElliotJames]

Dotcom and his fellow crooks had their fun and their guy toys. The party's over.

[lazycash]

Gideon listens to this song every day in his car while driving to work.

[brassmonkey]

there is no justice

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by Slappin Fish

since we're shouting..

Youtube does not issue new URLs pointing to the same file.

so what

youtube is not trying to duplicate the network aware backup function of system management servers.


If it the fair use, copyright exclusive rights don't apply PERIOD.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by raymor

Juries, petit and grand, make mistakes. Grand juries are charged with deciding whether or not there is "probable cause to believe" the accused commited the crime. "probable cause to believe" is the standard, in other words if they are probably guilty. Yes, based on a one sided presentation, which makes sense if the arrest / raid needs to catch the accused off guard, but perhaps not otherwise.

I replied to the post asking "what court, what witnesses", pointing out there there were in fact hearings and witnesses. That's not to say that the system is perfect, of course, but the poster seemed to think there was no hearing at all before the seizure.

I'm curious, when you get called for jury duty, will you indict or convict a ham sandwich? There has been a major change since Judge Wachtler's ham sandwich comment - grand juries are now called up from the full citizenry, just like petit juries. Again, that doesn't make them prefect, but it is due process of law.

BUT that process of law says that right now they are still INNOCENT.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

osama was never convicted of a crime either..

gideon would like you to know the 9/11 bombers are innocent and so was osama.

How dare all you cretins say bad things about al-queda and osama bin laden. innocent until proven guilty.

osama took credit for the bombings

In essence he confessed to the crime

Are you so stupid that you don't see the difference?

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

osama took credit for the bombings

In essence he confessed to the crime

Are you so stupid that you don't see the difference?

You are still here. Jesus.

MU is gone....more will follow....no one here believes your bullshit.

Why do you do this ?

WHY ?