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Old 01-31-2012, 06:38 PM   #1
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Are you investing in Face Book?

Facebook is expected to file initial paperwork with regulators on Wednesday morning for a $5 billion initial public offering. This should be good for the next few months then sell the shit!

Nothing last forever when it comes to social networking, example: My Space so this should be interesting

Anyone in here going to buy some FB shares?
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Old 01-31-2012, 06:57 PM   #2
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Myspace was a website, Facebook is a platform. I wish people would start understanding that.

They are nothing alike, except on the surface.
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It's just the filing tomorrow. Actual shares won't be for sale until April or May.
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in fact, I would much rather invest/donate towards the cause of seeing facebook go under
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Facebook is expected to file initial paperwork with regulators on Wednesday morning for a $5 billion initial public offering. This should be good for the next few months then sell the shit!

Nothing last forever when it comes to social networking, example: My Space so this should be interesting

Anyone in here going to buy some FB shares?
Facebook isn't Myspace, it doesn't even start to make sense to compare them.
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Hopefully this is what KILLS Facebook and people will all start spending time on other sites on the web. Like porn sites.
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I'm no expert on stocks, but I would say get in at the beginning, make a few bucks then get out, because this shit won't last forever.
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You guys who think facebook won't eventually suffer the same fate as myspace are kinda delusional... Website/platform doesn't matter, it's all the same sheeple who flock to the new and "better" thing.
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1) When they launch Facebook currency, it will be a game changer for online payments

2) When they IPO, Zuck will lose control and they will have a responsibility to the shareholders to make as much money as possible and it will fuck up the site

You need to buy and sell within 10 seconds and only the pals of the brokerage will be able to do that.

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zuck is still going to retain plenty of control.
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Every quarter they will have an obligation to shareholders to make more money. They won't be able to do that without pissing off it's users, which eventually will open doors for other social networks to thrive. Eventually the 'user experience' that makes Facebook as popular as it is will be compromised by additional privacy issues as well as intrusive and blatant money-making additions ... I see the IPO as the beginning of the end for Facebook.
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FB will probably be overvalued out of the gate so I will wait and see how it plays out. It's not quite like Google who had a monopoly on the search engine game so you knew they would make mad ad $$$. If Facebook doesn't wow them with sales figures in the first 12 months the share value will come back down to earth.
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Persons who don't have a clue about investment IPO's seem to be the loudest in proclaiming that Facebook is going to simply drop off the map like Myspace.

Have any of you been paying attention?

Facebook has Morgan Stanley as their primary underwriter, along with three other companies. That right there is a MAJOR sign that Facebook is here to stay and that the stock has nowhere to go but up. Investor confidence in this IPO is through the roof.

Carefully note that Morgan Stanley also backed Google's IPO in 2004. Morgan Stanley does not mess around with their clients' money and their clients have DEEP pockets.
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1) When they launch Facebook currency, it will be a game changer for online payments

2) When they IPO, Zuck will lose control and they will have a responsibility to the shareholders to make as much money as possible and it will fuck up the site

You need to buy and sell within 10 seconds and only the pals of the brokerage will be able to do that.

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What will FB currency do?

I don't think some bright college kid is the best person to run a multi billion dollar company. Maybe share holders will find someone better.

The "targeted" advertising as far as I see is Geo targeting. All the ads I see are in Czech and absolutely of no interest to me. Maybe they will start targeting on the keyboard and computer settings. Then do some testing to see what I am interested in.

As for buying, it depends on the price. This is like betting on cards or horses, it's gambling.
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Indeed. 57 percent of the vote to be exact.
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When Online Gambling is made legal once again in the US, buy Zynga's stock if you can get your hands on it in some form or fashion. That is just one of many profitable channels for Facebook credits that is impending.

Facebook Credits will deal a serious blow to Paypal. Trust that.

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While this assertion is loosely correct, there are varying factors in this case. The Facebook scenario is being calculated carefully and one has to watch all of the pieces of the financial puzzle to see what exactly is happening.

Last year one of my offshore investment clients recommended that I pay closer attention to what was happening with the company after I brought it up in passing conversation. I was sceptical at first as well, but I'm beginning to see what he was implying.
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I imagine Steve Jobs thought that too, until he was sacked from the company he started.
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the fuck are they going public again? Beyond making a few key people rich, as far as investing in social networking goes... all I can picture is a bus full of passengers driving off a cliff...

Until Warren Buffet has his top guys creating GFY accounts, the opinions in this thread are worth as much as they cost, and that includes mine.
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Revolutionise online payments. You think paypal is big? Just wait.

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I agree. He'll be out.

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AFAIK, all stocks are gambling, aren't they?
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I imagine Steve Jobs thought that too, until he was sacked from the company he started.
Flawed comparison.

Jobs was running Apple into the ground and made serious mistakes in leading the company at that time.

He needed to be fired.

On the other hand, Zuckerberg led Facebook to where it is today. The IPO is being made based on the products of his leadership and their ongoing potential.

Any attempt to cast him out as a primary element of the equation when the company shows nothing but growth potential, even in the face of privacy and interface complaints, would be shooting themselves in the foot.

It surely would not happen on Morgan Stanley's watch. Changing the roles and responsibilities of the CEO of a solid investment shortly after pushing the IPO automatically poisons confidence in said investment. The clients would be furious as to why they were not informed that the leadership configuration was going to be modified in such a manner before they made the investment. Morgan Stanley would not deal in such frivolousness.
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Flawed comparison.

Jobs was running Apple into the ground and made serious mistakes in leading the company at that time.

He needed to be fired.

On the other hand Zuckerberg led Facebook to where it is today. The IPO is being made based on the products of his leadership and their ongoing potential.

Any attempt to cast him out as a primary element of the equation when the company shows nothing but growth potential, even in the face of privacy and interface complaints, would be shooting themselves in the foot.

It surely would not happen on Morgan Stanley's watch. Changing the CEO of a solid investment shortly after pushing the IPO automatically poisons confidence in said investment. The clients would be furious as to why they were not informed that the CEO was going to be changed before they made the investment. Morgan Stanley would not deal in such frivolousness.
I didn't say 'shortly' afterwards.

After the IPO they will have a legal duty to make as much money as possible for the shareholders.

Zuck doesn't like intrusive ads. He doesn't like 'fucking' with what works. However, what works isn't making as much money as he could.

I give it a year.

Apple was 3 weeks away from going bankrupt when Jobs returned. Now it's the largest company in the world according to marcap. Think on't.
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What will FB currency do?

I don't think some bright college kid is the best person to run a multi billion dollar company. Maybe share holders will find someone better.

The "targeted" advertising as far as I see is Geo targeting. All the ads I see are in Czech and absolutely of no interest to me. Maybe they will start targeting on the keyboard and computer settings. Then do some testing to see what I am interested in.

As for buying, it depends on the price. This is like betting on cards or horses, it's gambling.
You are so far out of touch it's almost impossibly to believe. The one and ONLY reason Facebook is where it is today is Zuckerberg. That 'college kid' knows what in the fuck he's doing and like DJ said, they throw a stick in his spokes and Facebook will lose popularity and value.

Glad to see you have suggestions even for Facebook though, one of these companies should hire you so you can show them how the billions they clear is wrong.

Hey Paul, if he charged all of his members $10 per month to be on the site they would bring in a whopping $96 million a year extra!
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You are so far out of touch it's almost impossibly to believe. The one and ONLY reason Facebook is where it is today is Zuckerberg. That 'college kid' knows what in the fuck he's doing and like DJ said, they throw a stick in his spokes and Facebook will lose popularity and value.

Glad to see you have suggestions even for Facebook though, one of these companies should hire you so you can show them how the billions they clear is wrong.

Hey Paul, if he charged all of his members $10 per month to be on the site they would bring in a whopping $96 million a year extra!
We all know Paul values a company based on the number of lavatories they have.
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I didn't say 'shortly' afterwards.

After the IPO they will have a legal duty to make as much money as possible for the shareholders.

Zuck doesn't like intrusive ads. He doesn't like 'fucking' with what works. However, what works isn't making as much money as he could.

I give it a year.

Apple was 3 weeks away from going bankrupt when Jobs returned. Now it's the largest company in the world according to marcap. Think on't.
I understand the point you're attempting to make, but the advertising revenue isn't what investors are banking on.

Facebook is looking to become the leading micropayment provider of the world, among other things. The integration of that, along with detailed demographic data and the social networking/communication layers (skype included), is what will drive Facebook's future growth.

Yes, they have done extremely well with advertising, but there is an opportunity for them to evolve that revenue generator beyond what even Google has done with it. Zuckerberg has a focused plan of what he will need to do to make this happen.

Zuckerberg is untouchable at this point, as long as he remains consistent in his planning and vision. Thus Facebook indeed will offer a significant return on investment. Removing the heart of the company (Zuckerberg) soon after its IPO would kill it faster than anything else.
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I should have used Paul math. I forgot when you turn a free service paid you don't lose traffic so $10 per month would be 96 billion dollars a year. No way they'd lose 99% of their users.
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Well, to be honest, it is pretty tough to accept that a 27 year old Rodney Trotter lookalike has an estimated net worth of $25 billion, whilst your lifetime of shooting shitty overlit vanilla "content" for a very dead and long-gone Paul Raymond led to you having fuck all to your name besides yellow teeth, the equivalent of a $150/week pension, and a quickly aging mail-order bride with a bad accent.
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I understand the point you're attempting to make, but the advertising revenue isn't what investors are banking on.

Facebook is looking to become the leading micropayment provider of the world, among other things. The integration of that, along with detailed demographic data and the social networking/communication layers (skype included), is what will drive Facebook's future growth.

Yes, they have done extremely well with advertising, but there is an opportunity for them to evolve that revenue generator beyond what even Google has done with it. Zuckerberg has a focused plan of what he will need to do to make this happen.

Zuckerberg is untouchable at this point, as long as he remains consistent in his planning and vision. Thus Facebook indeed will offer a significant return on investment. Removing the heart of the company (Zuckerberg) soon after its IPO would kill it faster than anything else.
this has probably been the best explanation as to what their plans for the future are that I have read, definitely on here.

micro payments to what though? I don't know many people who use facebook to shop, but even if they did that is nothing new. ebay and amazon have been doing this for years and those stocks aren't exploding for anyone. Whats the key difference here? If anything those two are more targeted because all their traffic is from people who want to buy stuff already.
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Old 02-02-2012, 11:19 AM   #44
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I won't
It's overvalued so that all those who have been putting money since few years ago cash out at generous returns.

I see it going either all the way up or all the way down, therefore what i might do is get into a long straddle or a long strangle. This way i'll only loose if the price remains within the strike and the premiums paid. Thinking about it...
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Hopefully this is what KILLS Facebook and people will all start spending time on other sites on the web. Like porn sites.
LOL. I like your thinking but I cant see it happening.

They can meet real chicks to bang all day on FB
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I understand the point you're attempting to make, but the advertising revenue isn't what investors are banking on.
I know, I said that many posts ago.

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Removing the heart of the company (Zuckerberg) soon after its IPO would kill it faster than anything else.
I don't remember anyone saying 'soon'. When the board want to make money doing things he doesn't want, and he realises it isn't his baby anymore, things may change.
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I don't remember anyone saying 'soon'. When the board want to make money doing things he doesn't want, and he realises it isn't his baby anymore, things may change.
After IPO Zuch is going to retain more than 51% of the voting shares. Makes it pretty hard to get rid of him, don't you think?
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After IPO Zuch is going to retain more than 51% of the voting shares. Makes it pretty hard to get rid of him, don't you think?
We'll see.
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Nope.

They've peaked. The whole reason they are going public now.
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micro payments to what though? I don't know many people who use facebook to shop, but even if they did that is nothing new.
The easiest way to visualize their future plans involves divorcing your thoughts from Facebook.com itself as a website and thinking along the lines of integrated API's/plugins, identity matrices, social demographics and ubiquitous interface design.

They've already had success as a social and advertising/content platform. (Although it must be said that they still have much room to grow as an advertising/content platform on external sites in regards to seamless and invisible sharing of demographic preferences)

Their next step is to become a financial platform - one where receiving, sending, collecting and dispersing funds online is done from person to person, person to business, business to person, business to business and any combination thereof. Facebook is in a unique position to leverage its financial worth in related sectors against risk and gain the trust of financial institutions fairly rapidly.

Combine their user identification platform with a high level of encryption and we will begin to see persons using their FB logins on devices as a secondary means of ID in certain financial transactions.

Developing nations are responsible for billions of dollars in small monetary transactions each year from nation to nation globally. Western Union, Paypal and others have been picking up the slack in this regard, but when Facebook successfully develops its financial platform and pushes it to these markets through mobile payments and social networking, they effectively can corner these emerging markets.

Then there is China. Trust that Zuckerberg will get into that market even if he has to create a completely separate Facebook with a virtual border that the Chinese government has control of (or he will partner with a Chinese social networking site like Ren Ren just to get FB's developer platform recognized over there).

AR likely is going to play a big role in Facebook's future plans, but the technology hasn't really found its place as yet. If FB takes the reigns on that, it could be yet another big push for the corporation.
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