Our vaporizer has a name, a website and a youtube video - GoFuckYourself.com

SykkBoy · 02-07-2012, 05:59 PM

I enjoyed getting to show off our upcoming pocket vaporizer at the recent ASW and AVN shows, but for those who missed it...

The vaporizer has an official name: The DaVinci
It has a new development blog: http://www.davincivaporizer.com
It is also available for pre-sale at http://www.karmaclassic.com/vaporizer/

and I did a quickie youtube video...I apologize for my lack of spokesmodel-like looks and lack of eyebrows...

The unit in the video is a prototype...the final colors will be silver (a la the one I had at the shows), red and black. We're looking at more colors in Q2 and a few other goodies coming out this summer.

It will be available for affiliate promotion on March 1st.

A big thanks to all of the people who gave me feedback at the show, on ICQ, etc. those who got some sneak peeks and those who even got to see it in action...

moeloubani · 02-07-2012, 06:09 PM

how come theres no smoke, when i use my vaporizer there is lots of vapor coming out of my mouth and i vape at around 185, am i vaping at too high of a temperature?

SykkBoy · 02-07-2012, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

how come theres no smoke, when i use my vaporizer there is lots of vapor coming out of my mouth and i vape at around 185, am i vaping at too high of a temperature?

The first vape out of the box will sometimes have some smoke.

185 Celsius?
Yeah, too high of a temp. Try temping it down.

In the video I was using regular cigarette tobacco and had to keep it about 280 Fahrenheit otherwise there is some smoke and some harshness.

another nice feature of the DaVinci is it toggles the display between Celsius and Fahrenheit

georgeyw · 02-07-2012, 06:23 PM

I have a question and it may be a dumb one.

Why would I use your vape over an e-cig?

I use e-cigs, love them and love the fact they have smoke.

What is the difference?

Deej · 02-07-2012, 06:23 PM

When i used a volcano I was vaping at 365 degrees. maybe 356 whichever. THe manual recommended that. Is that too high of a temp?

V_RocKs · 02-07-2012, 06:41 PM

If are vaporing something green then 365F is OK... 338 is the bottom... try that.

keysync · 02-07-2012, 07:25 PM

A vaporizer is what I used two years ago to stop smoking.

fatfoo · 02-07-2012, 07:37 PM

He says tobacco is inside, but it produces no smoke and no smell. This makes it easier to hide.

JFK · 02-07-2012, 09:41 PM

Great Product

SleazyDream · 02-07-2012, 10:50 PM

can you buy em in canada? and get nicotine for em in canada?

vdbucks · 02-07-2012, 11:10 PM

Ok, so I'm lost here... Is this merely a device for smoking pure tobacco and just producing no smoke, or is this a true to form 'e-cig' that uses nicotine liquid?

Reason I ask is because if you're still burning pure tobacco then it's kind of pointless considering you're still getting all the cancer causing chemicals. And at the end of the day, it's just a more expensive way to kill yourself. Sure, I guess it could be good for indoor use, but then, why not use an 'e-cig' and save yourself from 99% of those chemicals?

Also, I see constant mention of 'safer' and 'healthier' but tobacco is tobacco. treated tobacco is still tobacco and still contains all the chemicals that are added by the tobacco companies.

What research was done? Where's the scientific data that backs these claims? Where's the FDA approval? Without any of the above then all you're doing is giving false information on an expensive product that is still going to kill you.

If I'm misunderstanding your product then disregard this message and accept my apologies.

SleazyDream · 02-07-2012, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by vdbucks

Ok, so I'm lost here... Is this merely a device for smoking pure tobacco and just producing no smoke, or is this a true to form 'e-cig' that uses nicotine liquid?

Reason I ask is because if you're still burning pure tobacco then it's kind of pointless considering you're still getting all the cancer causing chemicals. And at the end of the day, it's just a more expensive way to kill yourself. Sure, I guess it could be good for indoor use, but then, why not use an 'e-cig' and save yourself from 99% of those chemicals?

Also, I see constant mention of 'safer' and 'healthier' but tobacco is tobacco. treated tobacco is still tobacco and still contains all the chemicals that are added by the tobacco companies.

What research was done? Where's the scientific data that backs these claims? Where's the FDA approval? Without any of the above then all you're doing is giving false information on an expensive product that is still going to kill you.

If I'm misunderstanding your product then disregard this message and accept my apologies.

i thought one could vaporize pure tobacco without health concerns?

Ayla_SquareTurtle · 02-07-2012, 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vdbucks

Ok, so I'm lost here... Is this merely a device for smoking pure tobacco and just producing no smoke, or is this a true to form 'e-cig' that uses nicotine liquid?

Reason I ask is because if you're still burning pure tobacco then it's kind of pointless considering you're still getting all the cancer causing chemicals. And at the end of the day, it's just a more expensive way to kill yourself. Sure, I guess it could be good for indoor use, but then, why not use an 'e-cig' and save yourself from 99% of those chemicals?

Also, I see constant mention of 'safer' and 'healthier' but tobacco is tobacco. treated tobacco is still tobacco and still contains all the chemicals that are added by the tobacco companies.

What research was done? Where's the scientific data that backs these claims? Where's the FDA approval? Without any of the above then all you're doing is giving false information on an expensive product that is still going to kill you.

If I'm misunderstanding your product then disregard this message and accept my apologies.

Pssst... It's fer weeeeeeeed maaaaaaannnn....

SleazyDream · 02-07-2012, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ayla_SquareTurtle

Pssst... It's fer weeeeeeeed maaaaaaannnn....

actually, although it'll WORK for weed, I'm betting the market for tobacco use is infinitely larger......

CyberHustler · 02-07-2012, 11:25 PM

Everybody is going to use it for weed...

explicitclick · 02-07-2012, 11:26 PM

Are you targeting stoners or tobacco users?

vdbucks · 02-07-2012, 11:27 PM

Tobacco, even pure tobacco contains many other chemicals than just nicotine. This is why 'e-cigs' only use nicotine liquid... because the nicotine liquid contains only nicotine.. well, and of course propylene/vegetable glycol... but those are harmless and used for adjusting the 'throat hit', the vapor and cutting the nicotine levels.

Sorry but if this thing is using tobacco in plant form then I'll stick with my e-cigs and spend that $200+ on stuff that isn't going to kill me.

SleazyDream · 02-07-2012, 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberHustler

Everybody is going to use it for weed...

no, the pot heads will use it for weed, and it's good for that... but not everyone uses pot. A lot more people smoke tobacco and want a better option, and they want a smarter option in many cases, and possibly cheaper too. they might also use it for weed, but a typical smoker will do 1/2 pack to 2 packs a day, and average of all weed smokers is soo much less that it isn't even close to that. the market for tobaccoo i would think would be larger if you can crack it, and if it does weed too, BONUS

Ayla_SquareTurtle · 02-07-2012, 11:47 PM

Seems to me that using this thing with tobacco plant matter would pale in comparison to the liquid based e-cigs, but I guess it might be an interesting solution for tobacco smokers who only want to use plant matter and not liquid.

SykkBoy · 02-07-2012, 11:57 PM

I used tobacco merely as a substance to show how the vaporizer works. I don't have a MMJ card so can't load up MMJ. Nevada has allows medical marijuana so a patient can use a vaporizer to consume.

Vaporizers cam also be used for aromatherapy. Substances such as chamomile and mint can be vaporized.

Vaporizing tobacco is safer than burning it in that it has no carcinogens (unless you start vapong at higher temps). There is also no tar and no ash. That said it's not exactly healthy as eating veggies ;)

vaporizers are perfectly legal to ship to Canada and Europe. We cannot recomend or encourage any particular substance to use in them.

Intrinsic · 02-08-2012, 12:09 AM

Nice vid, although the next build of the unit could use a more non plastic look and smoother buttons (sounded like a dog training clicker when you were pressing them)

I'll most likely give this a try come mar 1st just for the hell of it! Never had a vape b4

vdbucks · 02-08-2012, 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SykkBoy

Vaporizing tobacco is safer than burning it in that it has no carcinogens (unless you start vapong at higher temps).

Could you please provide data that supports this claim? Sure, there's obviously no ash, probably no tar.. but tobacco contains many carcinogens. Sure, tobacco smoke contains more but you are falsely advertising this product as "safe" considering tobacco in it's plant form is anything but, smoke or no smoke.

There is a specific reason why 'e-cigs' use liquid nicotine...

vdbucks · 02-08-2012, 01:12 AM

Here's a list of chemicals found in your every day smoking tobacco, which I am assuming is what is used in this device:

Code:

Acetaldehyde
Acetamide
Acrylamide
Acrylonitrile
2-Amino-3,4-dimethyl-3H-imidazo[4,5-f]quinoline (MeIQ)
3-Amino-1,4-dimethyl-5H-pyrido [4,3-b]indole (Trp-P-1)
2-Amino-l-methyl-6-phenyl-1H-imidazo [4,5-b]pyridine (PhlP)
2-Amino-6-methyldipyrido[1,2-a:3',2'-d]imidazole (Glu-P-1)
3-Amino-l-methyl-5H-pyrido {4,3-b]indole (Trp-P-2
2-Amino-3-methyl-9H-pyrido[2,3-b]indole (MeAaC)
2-Amino-9H-pyrido[2,3-b]indole (AaC)
4-Aminobiphenyl
2-Aminodipyrido[1,2-a:3',2'-d]imidazole (Glu-P-2)
0-Anisidine
Arsenic
Benz[a]anthracene
Benzene
Benzo[a]pyrene
Benzo[b]fluoranthene
Benzo[j]fluoranthene
Benzo[k]fluoranthene
Benzo[b]furan
Beryllium
1,3-Butadiene
Cadmium
Catechol (1,2-benzenediol)
p-Chloroaniline
Chloroform
Cobalt
p,p'-DDT
Dibenz[a,h]acridine
Dibenz[a,j]acridine
Dibenz(a,h)anthracene
7H-Dibenzo[c,g]carbazole
Dibenzo(a,e)pyrene
Dibenzo(a,i)pyrene
Dibenzo(a,h)pyrene
Dibenzo(a,i)pyrene
Dibenzo(a,l)pyrene
3,4-Dihydroxycinnamic acid (caffeic acid)
Ethylbenzene
Ethylene oxide
Formaldehyde
Furan
Glycidol
Heptachlor
Hydrazine
Indeno[1,2,3-cd]pyrene
IQ 92-Amino-3-methyl-3H-imidazo[4,5-f]quinoline)
Isoprene
Lead
5-Methyl-chrysene
2-Naphthylamine
Nitrobenzene
Nitrogen mustard
Nitromethane
2-Nitropropane
N-Nitrosodi-n-butylamine (NDBA)
N-Nitrosodi-n-propylamine (NDPA)
N-Nitrosodiethanolamine (NDELA)
N-Nitrosodiethylamine (DEN)
N-Nitrosodimethylamine (DMN)
N-Nitrosoethylmethylamine (NEMA, MEN)
4-(N-Nitrosomethylamino)-1-(3-pyridinyl)-1-butanone (NNK)
N'-Nitrosonornicotine (NNN)
N-Nitrosopiperidine (NPIP, NPP)
N-Nitrosopyrrolidine (NPYR, NPY)
Polonium-210 (Radon 222)
Propylene oxide
Safrole
Styrene
Tetrachloroethylene
o-Toluidine (2-methylaniline)
Trichloroethylene
Urethane (carbamic acid, ethyl ester)
Vinyl acetate
Vinyl chloride
4-Vinylcyclohexene
2,6-Xylidine (2,6-dimethylaniline)

That's not including the chemicals found in the smoke.

SykkBoy · 02-08-2012, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by vdbucks

Could you please provide data that supports this claim? Sure, there's obviously no ash, probably no tar.. but tobacco contains many carcinogens. Sure, tobacco smoke contains more but you are falsely advertising this product as "safe" considering tobacco in it's plant form is anything but, smoke or no smoke.

There is a specific reason why 'e-cigs' use liquid nicotine...

Carcinogens are present at higher temps, but they result from the tobacco being burned. Vaporizers (generally) use convection heating not conduction.

I'm not saying it's healthy, but it is healthier than burning the tobacco leaves. The tobacco was used as an example. Tobacco is also vaporized at a lower temperature: around 280 degrees. If someone vaporized it at say 375, there would be smoke and there would be some carcinogens.

I'm aware of why e-cigs use liquid nicotine ;-)

SykkBoy · 02-08-2012, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Intrinsic

Nice vid, although the next build of the unit could use a more non plastic look and smoother buttons (sounded like a dog training clicker when you were pressing them)

I'll most likely give this a try come mar 1st just for the hell of it! Never had a vape b4

We were going to go with aluminum fronting on this unit, but it heated up too much and we were concerned with the amount of heat. We didn't want users getting burned or having overheating issues. The back on the final units will be coated with rubberized paint and we're using a stronger grade of plastic for the front of the units. We're also going to use a honeycomb pattern for the vent holes versus the slits on this unit.

SykkBoy · 02-08-2012, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream

i thought one could vaporize pure tobacco without health concerns?

There would still be health concerns. Vaping tobacco isn't 100% healthy. It's not a habit we encourage people to take up, however if they are currently smoking traditional cigarettes, we'd encourage them to switch to e-cigs or vaping with a vaporizer to at least cut down on some of the harmful elements.

vdbucks · 02-08-2012, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SykkBoy

Carcinogens are present at higher temps, but they result from the tobacco being burned. Vaporizers (generally) use convection heating not conduction.

I'm not saying it's healthy, but it is healthier than burning the tobacco leaves. The tobacco was used as an example. Tobacco is also vaporized at a lower temperature: around 280 degrees. If someone vaporized it at say 375, there would be smoke and there would be some carcinogens.

I'm aware of why e-cigs use liquid nicotine ;-)

So why not take your product, which you clearly spent a lot of time creating, and turn it into a device that's not still going to kill you/cause cancer?

Labeling something as 'safer' is just a mislabeled marketing ploy... It's like saying drinking 1 part bleach to 100 parts water is 'safer' than drinking 1 part bleach to 50 parts water.

vdbucks · 02-08-2012, 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SykkBoy

There would still be health concerns. Vaping tobacco isn't 100% healthy. It's not a habit we encourage people to take up, however if they are currently smoking traditional cigarettes, we'd encourage them to switch to e-cigs or vaping with a vaporizer to at least cut down on some of the harmful elements.

Please do not compare 'e-cigs' to vaporizing a tobacco plant; because vaporizing is nowhere near as 'safe' as e-cigs. Tobacco is tobacco, end of story. The only thing dangerous about 'e-cigs' is some moron vaping too high of a concentration of nicotine.

There are absolutely no harmful chemicals in liquid nicotine (provided you get it from a reputable source and not some joe making it in his back yard).

With e-cigs, the ONLY things you are taking in to your body are:

nicotine - which is technically a poison if used at too high a concentration and is a diuretic but won't kill you if you're not a moron. There are zero cancer causing chemicals in liquid nicotine.

propylene glycol - which is used to cut higher concentrations of liquid nicotine, and provides the 'throat hit' as well as a small amount of water vapor; and is found in millions of products from food to beauty products, and everything in between.. and is harmless.

Vegetable glycerin - which is used to cut higher concentrations of liquid nicotine and generally mixed with propylene glycol in order to reduce 'throat hit' and produce more water vapor.

A few other ingredients that are found in various flavorings - there are guidelines that explain which flavoring liquids are safe, generally anything that doesn't contain artificial flavoring and food coloring/dye. These flavorings are harmless as well.

I posted a list above of chemicals found in natural tobacco, before it's burned and smoked. There are a lot more that come from the smoke, but the list above is what's found in the plant itself. Not to mention other chemicals used in the growing/harvesting process.

porno jew · 02-08-2012, 09:40 AM

it's used to smoke weed moron.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vdbucks

Please do not compare 'e-cigs' to vaporizing a tobacco plant; because vaporizing is nowhere near as 'safe' as e-cigs. Tobacco is tobacco, end of story. The only thing dangerous about 'e-cigs' is some moron vaping too high of a concentration of nicotine.

There are absolutely no harmful chemicals in liquid nicotine (provided you get it from a reputable source and not some joe making it in his back yard).

With e-cigs, the ONLY things you are taking in to your body are:

nicotine - which is technically a poison if used at too high a concentration and is a diuretic but won't kill you if you're not a moron. There are zero cancer causing chemicals in liquid nicotine.

propylene glycol - which is used to cut higher concentrations of liquid nicotine, and provides the 'throat hit' as well as a small amount of water vapor; and is found in millions of products from food to beauty products, and everything in between.. and is harmless.

Vegetable glycerin - which is used to cut higher concentrations of liquid nicotine and generally mixed with propylene glycol in order to reduce 'throat hit' and produce more water vapor.

A few other ingredients that are found in various flavorings - there are guidelines that explain which flavoring liquids are safe, generally anything that doesn't contain artificial flavoring and food coloring/dye. These flavorings are harmless as well.

I posted a list above of chemicals found in natural tobacco, before it's burned and smoked. There are a lot more that come from the smoke, but the list above is what's found in the plant itself. Not to mention other chemicals used in the growing/harvesting process.

SykkBoy · 02-08-2012, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by explicitclick

Are you targeting stoners or tobacco users?

Anyone who wants to vape...we can't tell users what they can and can't put in their vaporizers. We're working with dispensaries to get our vaporizers into the hands of MMJ users.

I've tested some other aromatherapy matter as well: this morning I used chamomile as a calming agent and it worked pretty well.

We're authoring a list of things that can be vaped and the optimal vaping temperatures to include along with shipped units.

We're also in talks with a couple different labs to develop other aromatherapy uses and flavorings to add to vaporized substances.

lucas131 · 02-08-2012, 11:08 AM

good man, i think i have few buyers already

SleazyDream · 02-08-2012, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SykkBoy

There would still be health concerns. Vaping tobacco isn't 100% healthy. It's not a habit we encourage people to take up, however if they are currently smoking traditional cigarettes, we'd encourage them to switch to e-cigs or vaping with a vaporizer to at least cut down on some of the harmful elements.

I'm not a doctor, but in another life 15 years ago i was a life insurance agent (for 8 years) and what the deal was then, if you smoked cigs or weed, you got smokers rates. But i had a client who smoked weed (and a lot of it, cronic guy) with a vaporizer, and never burnt it, and admitted to it. They did the stats and he signed a paper saying he had not burnt tobacco or weed and inhaled the smoke for 2 years and they gave him non smoker rates...(it was about almost 1/2 cost cause of that too)

so not saying vap is good or bad, but if you vap, the morbidity tables (last the ones from pre 1999 )and data then on it said it wouldn't decrease your expected life span like smoking (burning and inhaling smoke) would

CyberHustler · 02-08-2012, 11:16 AM

Send me one and I'll create a high quality testimonial video for you showing it in action and everything. Seriously.

lucas131 · 02-08-2012, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberHustler

Send me one and I'll create a high quality testimonial video for you showing it in action and everything. Seriously.

drugs are bad mmmmkay?

CyberHustler · 02-08-2012, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucas131

drugs are bad mmmmkay?

I don't do drugs, I smoke weed.

SykkBoy · 02-08-2012, 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberHustler

Send me one and I'll create a high quality testimonial video for you showing it in action and everything. Seriously.

Email me and we'll discuss details

vaporizer /at/ karmaclassic.com

SykkBoy · 02-08-2012, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

I'm not a doctor, but in another life 15 years ago i was a life insurance agent (for 8 years) and what the deal was then, if you smoked cigs or weed, you got smokers rates. But i had a client who smoked weed (and a lot of it, cronic guy) with a vaporizer, and never burnt it, and admitted to it. They did the stats and he signed a paper saying he had not burnt tobacco or weed and inhaled the smoke for 2 years and they gave him non smoker rates...(it was about almost 1/2 cost cause of that too)

so not saying vap is good or bad, but if you vap, the morbidity tables (last the ones from pre 1999 )and data then on it said it wouldn't decrease your expected life span like smoking (burning and inhaling smoke) would

Thanks for the information

Kenny B! · 02-08-2012, 12:52 PM

Quit teasing, I wait by the mailbox every day for mine to arrive... and it's fucking cold out so hurry up ;-)

DEA · 02-08-2012, 12:56 PM

SykkBoy · 02-08-2012, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenny B!

Quit teasing, I wait by the mailbox every day for mine to arrive... and it's fucking cold out so hurry up ;-)

We're still waiting for them from the factory

We had a few changes to make with the internal components and a couple minor design features to change...but it's going to be rocking.

We'll also be showing it at the CHAMPS show this month and at the BIG Show next month.

Jman · 02-08-2012, 01:29 PM

Hey SykkBoy, you still have my address???? ;-)))

Great stuff, me want one fo sho!!!!

CaptainHowdy · 02-08-2012, 01:53 PM

Question is ...

TELEVISION

OR

THE DAMNED?

SykkBoy · 02-08-2012, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

Question is ...

TELEVISION

OR

THE DAMNED?

as in the question of which punk band is better? Very tough question, but I'd give The Damned a slight edge due to "Smash It Up"

SykkBoy · 02-08-2012, 03:30 PM

Here is a list of things some people vaporize/have been known to vaporize.

We'll likely pare down this list for publication within our documentation, based upon results we find. I've already removed some from this list from when we started compiling it based upon the items being potentially fatal at the wrong levels.

LOW TEMPERATURE: up to 150C (302F)
Angelica: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
Black Horehound: 100C to 125C (212F to 257F)
Blue Lotus: 100C to 125C (212F to 257F)
Calea: 100C to 125C (212F to 257F)
Chamomile: 100C to 125C (212F to 257F)
Clove: 125C to 150C (257F to 302F)
Corn Silk: 100C to 125C (212F to 257F)
Dandelion: 125C to 150C (257F to 302F)
Goldenrod: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
Gotu Kola: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
Horsetail: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
Hyssop: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
Lavender: 100C to 125C (212F to 257F)
Meadowsweet: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
Motherwort: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
Passionflower: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
Peppermint: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
Purslane: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
Rue: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
Sage: 125C to 150C (257F to 302F)
Saint John’s Wort: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
Thyme: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
Tobacco: 125C to 150C (257F to 302F)
Wormwood: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
Yarrow: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
Yerba Mate: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)

MEDIUM TEMPERATURE: up to 170C (347F)
Anise: 150C to 170C (302F to 347F)
Caraway: 150C to 170C (302F to 347F)
Cat's Claw: 150C to 170C (302F to 347F)
Coffee: 150C to 170C (302F to 347F) (be careful with this one, vaporized caffeine can really get the heart racing)
Comfrey: 150C to 170C (302F to 347F)
Damiana: 150C to 170C (302F to 347F)
Fennel: 150C to 170C (302F to 347F)
Feverfew: 125C to 170C (257F to 347F)
Hawthorn: 125C to 170C (257F to 347F)
Ginkgo: 125C to 170C (257F to 347F)
Guarana: 125C to 170C (257F to 347F)
Lion's Tail: 150C to 170C (302F to 347F)
Milk Thistle: 125C to 170C (257F to 347F)
Mugwort: 150C to 170C (302F to 347F)
Prickly Poppy: 150C to 170C (302F to 347F)
Red Poppy: 125C to 170C (257F to 347F)
Saw Palmetto: 125C to 170C (257F to 347F)
Sweet Flag: 150C to 170C (302F to 347F)

HIGH TEMPERATURE: up to 185C (365F)
Amanita Muscaria: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F) *purity important*
Barberry: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F)
Burdock: 150C to 185C (302F to 365F)
Cannabis (medical use only, see below): 170C to 185C (338F to 365F)
Couch Grass: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F)
Evening Primrose: 150C to 185C (302F to 365F)
Fringe Tree: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F)
Garlic: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F)
Ginger 170C to 185C (338F to 365F)
Ginseng: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F)
Hops: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F)
Kava Kava: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F) *use sparingly*
Kola Nut: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F)
Kratom: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F)
Licorice: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F)
Maca Root: 150C to 185C (302F to 365F)
Marshmallow: 150C to 185C (302F to 365F)
Sida Cordifolia: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F)
Sinichuichi (Mayan Sun Opener): 170C to 185C (338F to 365F)
Turmeric: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F)
Valerian: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F)
Wattle Gum Leaf: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F)
Wild Yam: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F)
Yohimbe: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F)

ALWAYS start at the lower end of the temperature range and move up from there IF necessary. Most of the time, you can successfully vaporize at the lowest temp in the range.

Colmike9 · 02-08-2012, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberHustler

I don't do drugs, I smoke weed.

I second that! Drugs are baad, mmmkay

Edit:Shit, just noticed that someone else already quoted Mackey..

Why · 02-08-2012, 04:01 PM

until the fed clues in on what vaporizers are mainly being used for and kick down a few nickels in a federal prison for shipping them across state lines.

considering you are actively marketing this to MMJ users(labelling them as drug paraphernalia), other states will not welcome your product, and if they get bored enough they might pull what they did on Tommy Chong(and a host of others), on you.

i know someone else from adult that got into making those "legal" herbs like they sell in the back of HighTimes, he quickly found himself hitting legal walls and threats right and left.

good luck, i do hope you get filthy rich. but to me, its a scary business.

chaze · 02-08-2012, 06:02 PM

Good idea but I just smoke American Spirits

vdbucks · 02-08-2012, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Why

until the fed clues in on what vaporizers are mainly being used for and kick down a few nickels in a federal prison for shipping them across state lines.

considering you are actively marketing this to MMJ users(labelling them as drug paraphernalia), other states will not welcome your product, and if they get bored enough they might pull what they did on Tommy Chong(and a host of others), on you.

i know someone else from adult that got into making those "legal" herbs like they sell in the back of HighTimes, he quickly found himself hitting legal walls and threats right and left.

good luck, i do hope you get filthy rich. but to me, its a scary business.

Not to mention when the FDA steps in...

SuckOnThis · 02-08-2012, 07:13 PM

Its obviously for weed, no need to vape nic juice at that high of temp.

And its the burning of tobacco that causes a lot of health issues, burning anything produces carcinogens, the other chemicals in cigarettes are just an added bonus. Vaping, whether its nicotine juice, tobacco, marijuana, is going to be safer than burning it.

Cool unit SykkBoy, how long do you figure that battery to go between charges?

Here's what I use to vape nic juice, check out the vapor this puppy puts out....

vdbucks · 02-08-2012, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Its obviously for weed, no need to vape nic juice at that high of temp.

And its the burning of tobacco that causes a lot of health issues, burning anything produces carcinogens, the other chemicals in cigarettes are just an added bonus. Vaping, whether its nicotine juice, tobacco, marijuana, is going to be safer than burning it.

Cool unit SykkBoy, how long do you figure that battery to go between charges?

Here's what I use to vape nic juice, check out the vapor this puppy puts out....

I'm currently waiting on some parts to arrive to make me a few of these: http://guidetovaping.com/2011/11/diy...r-the-genesis/

02-07-2012, 05:59 PM	#1
SykkBoy Jesus loves bacon Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Sin City, Motherfucker Posts: 19,969	Our vaporizer has a name, a website and a youtube video I enjoyed getting to show off our upcoming pocket vaporizer at the recent ASW and AVN shows, but for those who missed it... The vaporizer has an official name: The DaVinci It has a new development blog: http://www.davincivaporizer.com It is also available for pre-sale at http://www.karmaclassic.com/vaporizer/ and I did a quickie youtube video...I apologize for my lack of spokesmodel-like looks and lack of eyebrows... The unit in the video is a prototype...the final colors will be silver (a la the one I had at the shows), red and black. We're looking at more colors in Q2 and a few other goodies coming out this summer. It will be available for affiliate promotion on March 1st. A big thanks to all of the people who gave me feedback at the show, on ICQ, etc. those who got some sneak peeks and those who even got to see it in action... __________________ Support my new movie “The Second Coming” Last edited by SykkBoy; 02-07-2012 at 06:05 PM..

02-07-2012, 06:23 PM	#4
georgeyw 58008 53773 Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 9,864	I have a question and it may be a dumb one. Why would I use your vape over an e-cig? I use e-cigs, love them and love the fact they have smoke. What is the difference? __________________ TripleXPrint on Megan Fox "I would STILL suck her pussy until her face caved in. And then blow her up and do it again!"

02-07-2012, 06:23 PM	#5
Deej I make pixels work Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I live here... Posts: 24,386	When i used a volcano I was vaping at 365 degrees. maybe 356 whichever. THe manual recommended that. Is that too high of a temp? __________________ Deej's Designs n' What Not Hit me up for Design, CSS & Photo Retouching Icq#30096880

02-07-2012, 06:41 PM	#6
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,391	If are vaporing something green then 365F is OK... 338 is the bottom... try that. Last edited by V_RocKs; 02-07-2012 at 06:43 PM..

02-07-2012, 07:25 PM	#7
keysync Living the Dream Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Murica Posts: 2,376	A vaporizer is what I used two years ago to stop smoking. __________________

02-07-2012, 06:09 PM	#2
moeloubani Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ontario Posts: 4,235	how come theres no smoke, when i use my vaporizer there is lots of vapor coming out of my mouth and i vape at around 185, am i vaping at too high of a temperature?

02-07-2012, 07:37 PM	#8
fatfoo ICQ:649699063 Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 27,763	He says tobacco is inside, but it produces no smoke and no smell. This makes it easier to hide. __________________ Send me an email: [email protected]

02-07-2012, 09:41 PM	#9
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02-07-2012, 10:50 PM	#10
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	can you buy em in canada? and get nicotine for em in canada? __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

02-07-2012, 11:10 PM	#11
vdbucks Monger Cash Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,773	Ok, so I'm lost here... Is this merely a device for smoking pure tobacco and just producing no smoke, or is this a true to form 'e-cig' that uses nicotine liquid? Reason I ask is because if you're still burning pure tobacco then it's kind of pointless considering you're still getting all the cancer causing chemicals. And at the end of the day, it's just a more expensive way to kill yourself. Sure, I guess it could be good for indoor use, but then, why not use an 'e-cig' and save yourself from 99% of those chemicals? Also, I see constant mention of 'safer' and 'healthier' but tobacco is tobacco. treated tobacco is still tobacco and still contains all the chemicals that are added by the tobacco companies. What research was done? Where's the scientific data that backs these claims? Where's the FDA approval? Without any of the above then all you're doing is giving false information on an expensive product that is still going to kill you. If I'm misunderstanding your product then disregard this message and accept my apologies.

02-07-2012, 11:25 PM	#15
CyberHustler So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 25,214	Everybody is going to use it for weed...

02-07-2012, 11:26 PM	#16
explicitclick Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 10	Are you targeting stoners or tobacco users? __________________ ExplicitClick.com : Adult Advertising Network

02-07-2012, 11:27 PM	#17
vdbucks Monger Cash Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,773	Tobacco, even pure tobacco contains many other chemicals than just nicotine. This is why 'e-cigs' only use nicotine liquid... because the nicotine liquid contains only nicotine.. well, and of course propylene/vegetable glycol... but those are harmless and used for adjusting the 'throat hit', the vapor and cutting the nicotine levels. Sorry but if this thing is using tobacco in plant form then I'll stick with my e-cigs and spend that $200+ on stuff that isn't going to kill me.

02-07-2012, 11:47 PM	#19
Ayla_SquareTurtle Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: 5000 full paysite reviews and counting Posts: 3,550	Seems to me that using this thing with tobacco plant matter would pale in comparison to the liquid based e-cigs, but I guess it might be an interesting solution for tobacco smokers who only want to use plant matter and not liquid. __________________ gone. long gone. aylasquareturtle .."a"t".. gmail dawt com

02-07-2012, 11:57 PM	#20
SykkBoy Jesus loves bacon Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Sin City, Motherfucker Posts: 19,969	I used tobacco merely as a substance to show how the vaporizer works. I don't have a MMJ card so can't load up MMJ. Nevada has allows medical marijuana so a patient can use a vaporizer to consume. Vaporizers cam also be used for aromatherapy. Substances such as chamomile and mint can be vaporized. Vaporizing tobacco is safer than burning it in that it has no carcinogens (unless you start vapong at higher temps). There is also no tar and no ash. That said it's not exactly healthy as eating veggies ;) vaporizers are perfectly legal to ship to Canada and Europe. We cannot recomend or encourage any particular substance to use in them. __________________ Support my new movie “The Second Coming”

02-08-2012, 12:09 AM	#21
Intrinsic Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,589	Nice vid, although the next build of the unit could use a more non plastic look and smoother buttons (sounded like a dog training clicker when you were pressing them) I'll most likely give this a try come mar 1st just for the hell of it! Never had a vape b4

02-08-2012, 11:08 AM	#31
lucas131 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,475	good man, i think i have few buyers already

02-08-2012, 11:16 AM	#33
CyberHustler So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 25,214	Send me one and I'll create a high quality testimonial video for you showing it in action and everything. Seriously.

02-08-2012, 12:52 PM	#38
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02-08-2012, 12:56 PM	#39
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02-08-2012, 01:29 PM	#41
Jman Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Canuckstikan Posts: 22,665	Hey SykkBoy, you still have my address???? ;-))) Great stuff, me want one fo sho!!!! __________________ Wowify AI API Porn.AI Affiliates Porn AI email: [email protected] Teams: jean.francois.laverdiere TG: @jman1216

02-08-2012, 01:53 PM	#42
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02-08-2012, 03:30 PM	#44
SykkBoy Jesus loves bacon Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Sin City, Motherfucker Posts: 19,969	Here is a list of things some people vaporize/have been known to vaporize. We'll likely pare down this list for publication within our documentation, based upon results we find. I've already removed some from this list from when we started compiling it based upon the items being potentially fatal at the wrong levels. LOW TEMPERATURE: up to 150C (302F) Angelica: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F) Black Horehound: 100C to 125C (212F to 257F) Blue Lotus: 100C to 125C (212F to 257F) Calea: 100C to 125C (212F to 257F) Chamomile: 100C to 125C (212F to 257F) Clove: 125C to 150C (257F to 302F) Corn Silk: 100C to 125C (212F to 257F) Dandelion: 125C to 150C (257F to 302F) Goldenrod: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F) Gotu Kola: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F) Horsetail: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F) Hyssop: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F) Lavender: 100C to 125C (212F to 257F) Meadowsweet: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F) Motherwort: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F) Passionflower: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F) Peppermint: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F) Purslane: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F) Rue: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F) Sage: 125C to 150C (257F to 302F) Saint John’s Wort: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F) Thyme: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F) Tobacco: 125C to 150C (257F to 302F) Wormwood: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F) Yarrow: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F) Yerba Mate: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F) MEDIUM TEMPERATURE: up to 170C (347F) Anise: 150C to 170C (302F to 347F) Caraway: 150C to 170C (302F to 347F) Cat's Claw: 150C to 170C (302F to 347F) Coffee: 150C to 170C (302F to 347F) (be careful with this one, vaporized caffeine can really get the heart racing) Comfrey: 150C to 170C (302F to 347F) Damiana: 150C to 170C (302F to 347F) Fennel: 150C to 170C (302F to 347F) Feverfew: 125C to 170C (257F to 347F) Hawthorn: 125C to 170C (257F to 347F) Ginkgo: 125C to 170C (257F to 347F) Guarana: 125C to 170C (257F to 347F) Lion's Tail: 150C to 170C (302F to 347F) Milk Thistle: 125C to 170C (257F to 347F) Mugwort: 150C to 170C (302F to 347F) Prickly Poppy: 150C to 170C (302F to 347F) Red Poppy: 125C to 170C (257F to 347F) Saw Palmetto: 125C to 170C (257F to 347F) Sweet Flag: 150C to 170C (302F to 347F) HIGH TEMPERATURE: up to 185C (365F) Amanita Muscaria: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F) purity important Barberry: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F) Burdock: 150C to 185C (302F to 365F) Cannabis (medical use only, see below): 170C to 185C (338F to 365F) Couch Grass: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F) Evening Primrose: 150C to 185C (302F to 365F) Fringe Tree: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F) Garlic: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F) Ginger 170C to 185C (338F to 365F) Ginseng: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F) Hops: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F) Kava Kava: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F) use sparingly Kola Nut: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F) Kratom: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F) Licorice: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F) Maca Root: 150C to 185C (302F to 365F) Marshmallow: 150C to 185C (302F to 365F) Sida Cordifolia: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F) Sinichuichi (Mayan Sun Opener): 170C to 185C (338F to 365F) Turmeric: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F) Valerian: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F) Wattle Gum Leaf: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F) Wild Yam: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F) Yohimbe: 170C to 185C (338F to 365F) ALWAYS start at the lower end of the temperature range and move up from there IF necessary. Most of the time, you can successfully vaporize at the lowest temp in the range. __________________ Support my new movie “The Second Coming”

02-08-2012, 04:01 PM	#46
Why MFBA Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: PNW Posts: 7,230	until the fed clues in on what vaporizers are mainly being used for and kick down a few nickels in a federal prison for shipping them across state lines. considering you are actively marketing this to MMJ users(labelling them as drug paraphernalia), other states will not welcome your product, and if they get bored enough they might pull what they did on Tommy Chong(and a host of others), on you. i know someone else from adult that got into making those "legal" herbs like they sell in the back of HighTimes, he quickly found himself hitting legal walls and threats right and left. good luck, i do hope you get filthy rich. but to me, its a scary business.

02-08-2012, 06:02 PM	#47
chaze Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 9,752	Good idea but I just smoke American Spirits

02-08-2012, 07:13 PM	#49
SuckOnThis So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In my head Posts: 6,844	Its obviously for weed, no need to vape nic juice at that high of temp. And its the burning of tobacco that causes a lot of health issues, burning anything produces carcinogens, the other chemicals in cigarettes are just an added bonus. Vaping, whether its nicotine juice, tobacco, marijuana, is going to be safer than burning it. Cool unit SykkBoy, how long do you figure that battery to go between charges? Here's what I use to vape nic juice, check out the vapor this puppy puts out....