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borked · 02-16-2012, 03:59 PM

pffffft, this is ludicrous...

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Apple released a developer preview of Mountain Lion today before the new operating system is let out of its cage in the summer.

It's the ninth major iteration of the Mac OS X operating system, replacing Lion, and from Apple's roundup of its features, version 10.8 marks a much closer integration with iOS devices. Apple goes so far to say that it is "inspired by the iPad" - presumably referring to the decision to tie the Mac closer to the App Store.
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The cute UI stuff aside, one of the most significant changes from Lion is Gatekeeper and much closer weaving of the App Store into the Mac.

Thanks to Gatekeeper the default setting of Mountain Lion OS is that you can only run software from Apple-approved sources - unless you can be bothered to dismiss warnings from the system.

OK, you can turn off Gatekeeper to be able to carry on installing from .dmg's but the fact that it's on by default shows the direction they are going...2 major releases away from Apple-dauthorised apps only. Mark my words!

This is just frikken iCandy crap though:

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The biggest new feature for users (my emphasis) will be Messages: Lion's instant chat feature iChat will be replaced by the Messages app....
Other quirks include deep Twitter integration including the option to tweet straight from Safari and the ability to send any photo on the computer straight to Twitter. "Share Sheets" - drop-down menus in apps and Safari - make it easy to ping files and webpages around via email or Messages.

I don't even know or care how twatter works, and I uninstalled icq and skype for a reason....

where's a facepalm pic when you need one.

How's Linux desktop doing these days?

borked · 02-16-2012, 04:00 PM

I mean, I've purposefully *not* installed Lion for a frikken reason because of its iOS candy bullshit, so this iCat crap is just going too far now.

asdasd · 02-16-2012, 04:00 PM

I like my free bsd minus the big sister.

borked · 02-16-2012, 04:02 PM

How is that [/thread]???

FreeBSD and MacOS X share a BSD underpinning and that is where the similarity ends.

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forgot the source credit

Supz · 02-16-2012, 04:05 PM

This would be cool to jailbreak your computer. Piracy back in full swing

PornMD · 02-16-2012, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by borked

I mean, I've purposefully *not* installed Lion for a frikken reason because of its iOS candy bullshit, so this iCat crap is just going too far now.

That's what has me worried about Windows 8 as well. It feels like MS is going in the same direction - one unified OS but tailored more towards mobile shit. They're smelling where the fresh money is at and neglecting everyone else.

Brujah · 02-16-2012, 07:44 PM

were these Steve's ideas?

edgeprod · 02-16-2012, 07:47 PM

Don't let Lion scare you. I upgraded, and it's been fantastic. I went from Leopard to Lion, though -- skipped Snow Leopard completely. It's probably a big function of me seeing the features that were in Snow Leopard ... plus the multi-threading for all of my CPU cores.

PhpStorm in Lion is absolute bliss for me.

edgeprod · 02-16-2012, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by PornMD

That's what has me worried about Windows 8 as well. It feels like MS is going in the same direction - one unified OS but tailored more towards mobile shit. They're smelling where the fresh money is at and neglecting everyone else.

I have also been loving Windows 8 .. that's one of my other partitions. It took some getting used to, but I'm loving the interface now. It's so much more functional that the start menu, especially since the apps can display information on their icons/panes.

2012 · 02-16-2012, 07:52 PM

yay team

raymor · 02-16-2012, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by borked

How's Linux desktop doing these days?

I sure can't complain. It's also kind of handy that the desktops, the servers, the DVR, and pretty much everything runs the same OS. Whatever you learn on one works on the others.

Linguist · 02-16-2012, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by borked

How's Linux desktop doing these days?

Less shitty than in 1999. Not by much. Linux nerds really do suck at building software that's easy and convenient to use.

Before anyone talks about me learning how to use computers, I spend all day at terminal for work. I don't mind terminal. But Linux desktop is an atrocity compared to OS X.

I'm also sad to see the direction of the Mac OS. We'll see where it goes, I guess. If anything, another company with a new and ambitions "Steve Jobs" will come and fill the void. Hopefully.

alextokyo · 02-16-2012, 08:37 PM

They just released Lion like 2 minutes ago, wtf? Fuck you Jobs, hope you get cancer and die.

Oh no, wait...

raymor · 02-16-2012, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Linguist

Less shitty than in 1999. Not by much. Linux nerds really do suck at building software that's easy and convenient to use.

Before anyone talks about me learning how to use computers, I spend all day at terminal for work. I don't mind terminal. But Linux desktop is an atrocity compared to OS X.

I'm also sad to see the direction of the Mac OS. We'll see where it goes, I guess. If anything, another company with a new and ambitions "Steve Jobs" will come and fill the void. Hopefully.

I haven't heard any complaints from the Windows users I've recently switched over, but Apple is the king of UI and it's DIFFERENT, so I could see how a Mac user might have more trouble adjusting.

We had a Mac server for a bit. When it came time to look at adding a drive, it was $600. (A $150 drive in a proprietary sled they charge $450 for.) I could have had that sled custom built for about $20. For $600 I could completely replace the entire server with one running Linux, so that was the end of Mac servers for us. The end of Mac consumer devices in our household came from a similar vendor lock-in experience.

2MuchMark · 02-16-2012, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by borked

I mean, I've purposefully *not* installed Lion for a frikken reason because of its iOS candy bullshit, so this iCat crap is just going too far now.

Hi Borked,

I installed Lion on my Mac a few weeks after it came out. I IOS'ness of it was weird enough to make me not want to use it, but the rest of the operating system is amazing. The way it handles gestures is fantastic, and it is very rock solid as an OS.

Plus the installation was SIMPLE and CHEAP. Only about $25, downloaded and installed quickly with no problems at all.

The only problem I had was that since I use 2 iMac 27's in screen sharing mode often, the brightness control for the other mac stopped working for some reason - It was fixed when I upgraded it's OS in the end. I mean... how much smoother can you get then that?

borked · 02-17-2012, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by edgeprod

Don't let Lion scare you. I upgraded, and it's been fantastic. I went from Leopard to Lion, though -- skipped Snow Leopard completely. It's probably a big function of me seeing the features that were in Snow Leopard ... plus the multi-threading for all of my CPU cores.

PhpStorm in Lion is absolute bliss for me.

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Hi Borked,

I installed Lion on my Mac a few weeks after it came out. I IOS'ness of it was weird enough to make me not want to use it, but the rest of the operating system is amazing. The way it handles gestures is fantastic, and it is very rock solid as an OS.

Plus the installation was SIMPLE and CHEAP. Only about $25, downloaded and installed quickly with no problems at all.

The only problem I had was that since I use 2 iMac 27's in screen sharing mode often, the brightness control for the other mac stopped working for some reason - It was fixed when I upgraded it's OS in the end. I mean... how much smoother can you get then that?

I'm on 10.6.8 on the desktop and 10.5.something on the laptop. It's the desktop I use mainly, so I don't care what OS goes on the laptop.

If either of you used anything <10.7 extensively before upgrading to 10.7 (Lion) can you confirm your apps were auto-compatible? namely:
Office 2008
CS4
Aperture 2
DxO Optics 7
Capture NX2

Those are the main apps I don't keep buying upgrade licenses for as they are less important for me to keep updated, but are important to have nonetheless. As they are not up to date, they are most likely to be incompatible, so upgrading to Lion could be much more expensive job than the ?29 Lion cost.... especially for the CS4 suite.

borked · 02-17-2012, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by edgeprod

PhpStorm in Lion is absolute bliss for me.

I'm too embedded in textmate to try anything else...
old dog, new tricks incompatibility I guess

digitaldivas · 02-17-2012, 12:48 AM

Yeah, I got the developer key and downloaded it this morning. There is a notifications bar that swipes out now from the right side of the gui. They have beefed up wifi encryption for the os and booting from a 64 bit kernel with a hyper thread node for the intel "i series" processors is pretty snazzy. It also looks like they are getting ready for the retina display technology perhaps in the next series of macs.

One amazing thing is that is also seems optimized for solid state booting in terminal. Boot time from pushing the "on" button to login is 4.6 seconds, which is fucking ridiculous.

But in short, my imac looks more like a glorified ipad, so I still have most of my authoring apps on snow leopard.

borked · 02-17-2012, 01:24 AM

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But in short, my imac looks more like a glorified ipad, so I still have most of my authoring apps on snow leopard.

Oh my, that just sounds positively awful

martinsc · 02-17-2012, 02:15 AM

AdultKing · 02-17-2012, 05:05 AM

Mountain Lion is changing the desktop paradigm but the underlying power of OSX remains, you still have the shell via terminal, you still have full development tools, you still have *nix at the core.

Just because it looks pretty doesn't make it less attractive to power users. OS X is still the most advanced OS and provides the best development options, third party development tools do amazing things.

DamianJ · 02-17-2012, 05:11 AM

I don't get it. If you don't like it, don't use it.

I don't like Window8 with the stupid metro nonsense. So I don't use it.

But equally, I don't start threads saying how clunky it is.

borked · 02-17-2012, 07:58 AM

Which is why i asked how linux as a desktop was these days...

DamianJ · 02-17-2012, 08:14 AM

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Which is why i asked how linux as a desktop was these days...

same as always, you install it, think "oh, this is better than it was 5 years ago" play with it for 5 minutes, then go back to osx

Brujah · 02-17-2012, 08:48 AM

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I'm too embedded in textmate to try anything else...
old dog, new tricks incompatibility I guess

Have you looked at Sublime Text 2? Love it. Textmate compatible to some extent, bring your bundles and themes over.

edgeprod · 02-17-2012, 12:47 PM

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I'm too embedded in textmate to try anything else...
old dog, new tricks incompatibility I guess

Yeah, I was a strictly Notepad guy until I pulled my head out of my ass and stopped looking down on the guys who used IDEs without trying one. I was a cocky prick about it, and now I'm kicking myself for not using one sooner. Integrated file transfers, version tracking, auto-docs, integrated language reference (is it needle, haystack or haystack, needle?), as-you-code error checking (this variable might not get set, that variable references a slight mis-spelling of this variable), full-path browsing, recursive function/method/variable name changing, "safe" file deleting (checks if anything is referenced), right-click to show CSS properties acting on a given element .. holy shit the list just goes on and on. I had no idea what I was missing.

You'd be doing yourself a service to check it out. It was only $299 when I bought it -- a steal for what it does to my efficiency. Combine it with 4-5 monitors and you're even more of a machine, it's ridiculous.

Due · 02-17-2012, 01:39 PM

Since I'm looking to replace my macbook pro would it be better to wait ?

I'm primary concerned I will miss out on new hardware options they may release with a new OS

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