jammyjenkins

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YO!

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100.

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damn
I cant believe I missed that

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biatch

ok, time for work. goodbye gfy

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Captain Evil

That says enough for me. You are a miserable excuse for a human being, worth little more than the shit I almost stepped in today.

If you see targetting children as a "legitimate strategy", I sincerely hope you die as soon as humanly possible.

jammyjenkins

word.

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theking

This is the real world and the wars are real wars. I live in the real world. I do not know what world you live in. Why do you think civilians are targeted in every major conflict and as was the case during the Second World War killed by the millions and of course that includes babies.

I repeat if a country/peoples does not want to reap the wild wind then do not make yourself our enemies and we will not destroy you.

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wonton

Does anyone notice just how little coverage the "plagarized" intelligence report is getting in the US media? Don't forget that this report was one that Colin Powell used and referred to in his speech to the UN! That should be headline news. But instead the CIA-infiltrated US mass media is sweeping this one under the rug (what else would they do?).

CNN has buried their article somewhere in their world page. It does not appear as a headline on their main page. Other US media outlets have followed a similar course.

Did you also notice how Bushie and his henchmen immediately issued a Terror Alert (to level Orange) within HOURS of this story being broken by UK Channel Four? Can anyone say "classic misdirection"?

This scam gets more pathetic by the day. Josef Goebels would be proud. For those that know no history, he was Hitler's propaganda minister.

CNN Article on Plagarized Report

ThunderBalls

Wrong. You are about hate and getting a fucking hard on anytime bombs are dropped. Unfortunately the powers to be in this country have the same mindset as you and thus this world stands a very good chance of never being the same in a few short years, and when it does happen I hope you're very proud of yourself.

wonton

The Geneva convention specifically forbids the deliberate targetting of civilians and other non-combatants during a war. The US is a signatory to that convention. What you propose amounts to a war crime.

theking

Goebels would be very proud of you and all of the others on this board with the "Massive Cock" mindset.

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Captain Evil

Legitimate. That's the keyword here. You see it as a <b>legitimate</b> practice. Purposely killing the innocent is something I still consider as murder, plain and simple.

Again, you are a despicable excuse for a human being.

theking

The articles of the Geneva convention are routinely violated in any major conflict by all combatants involved. In addition it is only the losers that ever get punished for war crimes. This is the real world not some idealistic wanna be world. I have not made any proposals that I am aware of.

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wonton

You are right on target, Thunderball. Mini-Bush and his junta are leading the world into a very sad and very dangerous historical shift. They are so deluded by their past success that they think they can continue to stomp on the rest of the world with impunity. That is what Hitler thought. He also launched a "pre-emptive" war and the world fought back.

The world will fight back again this time and they will do it with much more sophisticated weaponry and brutal tactics. 911 was a cakewalk compared to what bad karma Bush is creating for this nation.

500,000 Iraqi civilians could be reduced to burnt out corpses as a result of direct and indirect effects of a lighting fast war. The US has already said it would use microwave weapons to knock out eletrical power in the entire country. They will target every water treatment plant like they did in 1991. They will destroy roads and civil infrastructure. Food distribution will come to a halt. Over 10 million Iraqis will be without potable water, according to UN projections. This will be the greatest humanitarian disaster of the last 60 years. A billion muslims around the world will see the REAL footage of this disaster on Al-Jezeera while Americans see a heavily censored version (bridges blowing up by smart bombs) on CNN. As usual, Americans will scratch their heads and ask "Why do they hate us?". A billion muslims around the world will respond, "Well why the fuck do you think we hate you?!?". What they do after that will be predictable and unfortunate.

Can anyone say "suitcase nukes?".

Pakistan already has nukes. Iran and Syria most likely have them as well. Each of these countries are filled with millions of angry young men just itching to get involved. Instead of working to reverse the anger that is already there, we are going to stoke the flames by a factor of 10,000.

Utterly stupid.

theking

I see it as a legitimate military excercise. War is not a game. War is about death and destruction. The quicker that one can prevent the enemy from having the ability to continue to wage war in fact saves lives for all combatants involved. Once again this is the real world and wars are real wars and they are brutal.

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wonton

You are not aware of your proposal to reduce millions of people to glass and ash?

Looks like your memory is as weak as your heart.

Congratulations. You have replaced Gollum as the most pathetic creature to have ever walked the earth.

theking

Dumb fuck I stated what would be fact. It was suggested that the entire muslim world would or will unite against us. I responded with the "ash and glass". The United States will not allow itself to be taken down without responding in a massive way including the use of nukes. You fucking people live in some kind of a fantasy world.

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ThunderBalls

I couldnt agree with you more. This is going to sound strange and some may think I'm nuts but I dont give a shit, you can take it for what its worth. My child was killed in a car accident a year and a half ago, a few months after that I started having dreams of him showing me major terrorist attacks on the US including Los Angeles, Las Vegas, Denver, New York, and DC. These werent 9/11 type attacks, some were nuclear plant melt downs and some were chemical attacks and millions were killed.
I've had these dreams at least 5 times and within three weeks after the first one 9/11 happened, so that really freaked me out.
Now all this shit with what Bush is doing is really making me wonder if there isnt something to this, I really hope not but it is pretty fucking strange.

theking

Well...as I said. I live in the real world and not a fantasy world or a dream world. You fucking Massivecock types are good for entertainment though. Shakes head...in wonderment.

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candidpublishinginc

I haven't read this whole thread so I'm not sure if someone didn't already mention this but "channel 4" is responsible for prank shows like Trigger Happy TV. So I take that web site article with a grain of salt since I didn't see it in any legit news site.

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jammyjenkins

it was on the channel 4 news you muppet

hardly a "prank show"

kenny

I see many people on this board praising Bill Clinton and flaming Bush at the same time. Did any of you people happen to see that interview with Bill Clinton on CNN?
Interesting facts, Bill Clinton is in agreement with George Bush on the Iraq issue. Further more he supports Bush on his attempt to gain international support. George Bush doesnt by any means have to wait for a weapon inspectors report. George Bush doesnt have to have approval from the UN. All that is required is the majority of congress to support him, which he already has. Now let me ask, why would the united states put so much effort into lying to the UN when they dont even need the UN. If Bush really wanted to Iraq would be gone tommorrow. The only reason for the attempt to gain international support is to insure the UN's regulations carry some weight. What good is a international board if they don't enforce their regulations?
Moving on to another issue, the North Korean Nuclear program. Well what do you know, Bill Clinton was also in agreement with Bush on this issue. He agrees that the situation should be handled in a diplomatic fashion, and that North Korea should not be rewarded for making radical threats. Reguarding the issue in North Korea, many people see it as a bigger threat, and it is! But guess what, when South Korean President offically takes office in early March the issue will be handled diplomaticly.
The only thing Bill Clinton did not agree with is George Bush's economic plan. Why you ask, because they are form two seperate parties. When it comes to international affairs and national security they agree. I believe that in a post 911 US, any president will take the same approach. Anybody that understands world politics should clearly understand this with ease. The rest of you can continue to talk out of your ass.

wonton

I see that the "king" in your name stands for King of Insensitivity. Your lack of even an iota of spiritual values makes you pretty feeble scum.

Thunderballs is talking about his child that died and all you can do is dismiss that as a lame joke? You are not worth responding to anymore...You are a moron of the lowest order.

wonton

Of course leaders of both political parties pursue near-identical foreign policy strategies. They are controlled by the same corporate interests and cow-tow to the same military industrial establishment. Democrats and Republicans are simply two management teams vying for control of the same corrupt "company".

I don't praise Bill Clinton. I don't praise any of these sell-out politicians. They are all part of the problem.

candidpublishinginc

Didn't they also report once that Tony Blair is controled by aliens?

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theking

I did not refer to his child at all but none the less, I do not have any sensitivity for those that attempt to insult me, none, nada. You live in some kind of fantasy world and he in a dream world. You fucking people are jokes and amuse me to no end.

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kenny

So why are they putting so much effort into providing false intelligence to the UN? They dont need the UN's approval. The UN can be viewed as worthless if they dont enforce their own regulations. The united states put alot of effort and money in the UN it is suppose to be a good idea.

theking

The only problem that I am aware of is the problem you and some others have that suffer with the "Massivecock" Syndrome.

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jammyjenkins

is it me, or is this discussion starting to go round in fucking circles?

theking

And here is another that suffers with the "Syndrome".

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kenny

Sorry conspiracy nuts. Did I just tear apart you delusion?

scooby doo as scooby does

Quote: All that is required is the majority of congress to support him, which he already has. Now let me ask, why would the united states put so much effort into lying to the UN when they dont even need the UN.

Why would they even go to the UN at all if it's a pointless exercise ?

Quote: If Bush really wanted to Iraq would be gone tommorrow. The only reason for the attempt to gain international support is to insure the UN's regulations carry some weight. What good is a international board if they don't enforce their regulations?

We'll, the US has a few violations, Israel has a ton, why not get those enforced as well ? Oh, that's right, it's only violations the US wants enforced that the UN should get tough on. Jeez.

Quote: He agrees that the situation should be handled in a diplomatic fashion, and that North Korea should not be rewarded for making radical threats.

LOL, and having nukes and no oil has nothing to do with it....

Quote: The rest of you can continue to talk out of your ass.

Parp!

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kenny

A. They are going to the UN for international support. They dont need or require it. In the world today it is a good idea to organize a international community for future and current international issues and regualtions. The UN is pointless if they establish law and regulation and not enforce them. The United States has a great deal of involvement towards the UN and would like to see <b>their</b> project a success.

B. What regualations have the UN established towards the Unuited States and Israel? I dont recall the UN making any resolutions towards these countries.

C. North Korea's biggest export is missiles and bombs. For them to have nuclear capabilities will bring great pressure for them to sell nuclear warheads as well. Let me add this was stated by former President Clinton during his interview.

If you dont know what you are talking about, please dont quote me and make me educate you. I am not a teacher.

donnie

He burned Kuwaits oilfields you idiot!! Not his own!

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You finally noticed ?

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Geez, just read about that plagiarized report on the BBC news.

Funny how the U.S. media isn't even talking about it.

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Quote: All that is required is the majority of congress to support him, which he already has. Now let me ask, why would the united states put so much effort into lying to the UN when they dont even need the UN.

Why would they even go to the UN at all if it's a pointless exercise ?

A. They are going to the UN for international support. They dont need or require it. In the world today it is a good idea to organize a international community for future and current international issues and regualtions. The UN is pointless if they establish law and regulation and not enforce them. The United States has a great deal of involvement towards the UN and would like to see their project a success.

A. Thank You. You confirm it's about the US's 'projects' and sod the rest. Exactly what I said.
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Quote: If Bush really wanted to Iraq would be gone tommorrow. The only reason for the attempt to gain international support is to insure the UN's regulations carry some weight. What good is a international board if they don't enforce their regulations?

We'll, the US has a few violations, Israel has a ton, why not get those enforced as well ? Oh, that's right, it's only violations the US wants enforced that the UN should get tough on. Jeez.

B. What regualations have the UN established towards the Unuited States and Israel? I dont recall the UN making any resolutions towards these countries.

B. Fuck, if you don't even know that, what's the point of arguing.
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Quote: He agrees that the situation should be handled in a diplomatic fashion, and that North Korea should not be rewarded for making radical threats.

LOL, and having nukes and no oil has nothing to do with it....

C. North Korea's biggest export is missiles and bombs. For them to have nuclear capabilities will bring great pressure for them to sell nuclear warheads as well. Let me add this was stated by former President Clinton during his interview.

C. Your missing the point.
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If you dont know what you are talking about, please dont quote me and make me educate you. I am not a teacher.

1) *Shrug*, I'll talk all I want. Deal with it.
2) I'll quote you as much as I want. Deal with it.
3) No Kidding. LOL.

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Mark

Actually the UN brings out new resolutions condemning Israel practically on a daily basis but as they are all initiated by the arab countries that very much want israel wiped off the face of the planet they are not taken too seriously..

As for this plagarized report.. from what I heard it is partly plagarized from a report written 10 years ago or something like that but since updated post 9/11 so it is fairly upto date plus it was in fact written by an Iraqi who just may actually have access to real and relevant 'intelligence' on account of him being from there.. he has also just updated it again and was planning to release it in march.. he still stands by his report.

It was kind of lame to copy his report without at least giving credit for it and it could have been handled much better but what the hell.. shit happens.. as long as his info is correct its no big deal in the end.

What got me was some woman saying how the report was full of grammatical errors and was more like the writing of a child and couldn't be taken seriously - I would so like to see her write a graduate level dissertation in arabic (or any other language) without making gramatical errors! Dumb bitch..

dig420

Pakistan already has nukes. Iran and Syria most likely have them as well. Each of these countries are filled with millions of angry young men just itching to get involved. Instead of working to reverse the anger that is already there, we are going to stoke the flames by a factor of 10,000.

Utterly stupid.
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don't forget North Korea, India, China and France

TheKing, which nonfantasy world do you live in where it's so pragmatic and smart to have a completely fucking moronic warmonger, bought and paid for by the petroleum industry, as our head of state? You're about as intelligent as a piece of slate, but you're too dumb to recognize that fact.

WWI started with the assassination of an obscure public official. NO WAY that something as small as obliterating a sovereign nation that happens to control a significant portion of the world's oil resources could spin out of control is there?

Even republicans don't like Bush much anymore, the smart ones anyway. He's considered an idiot by every head of state in the world except Blair, who also thinks he's a moron but is afraid to say so because of diplomatic issues. His loyalty is about to cost him his job.

Libertine

I find it both astounding and appalling that someone would find murdering civilians a legitimate military practice.

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theking

War is astounding and appalling. It is not a movie. Civilians provide the military with the ability to engage in and prolong a war thus in major conflicts they are targeted. In the Second World War civilians were killed by the millions in order to reduce the capacity of the enemy to wage war. Shortening the length of wars in fact saves lives.

An invasion of Iraq will not require the intentional targeting of civilians because Iraq does not have the ability to fight a prolonged war. Civilians will definitely be killed and if they are in the way of what is deemed a necessary target the loss of civilian life will not prevent that target from being taken out.

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You don't seem to get it. You used the word legitimate. For me, that says enough.

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roly

It wasn't a british intelligence summary, it was an article issued by the uk government that stated that info was collected from numerous sources INCLUDING british intelligence.

They say the first casualty of war is the truth and that's always the case with any country, but this document wasn't nesarcarily untrue, that wasn't the issue here it was just thought of as a bit of a joke in the uk that some of the text had been copied word for word from a (postgraduate) research student (including gramatical errors).

Undutchable

Okay, first of all, the "bombing the entire Muslim word" thing, it's not gonna happen. Muslims are blended throughout the entire world. There is no region that they do not live in. They live in Alaska, Greenland, Iceland, America, Asia, Africa, Middle East, Europe, Timbuktu, fuck, everywhere!

The problem is that you cannot exterminate them. In the past, Muslims are known to change their appearance in times of war and hide their identity to strike within their enemies borders. Also, bearing children is considered a great virtue in the Muslim community. Okay now you will have a large group of people still left (you can't nuke them all) that all want to kill you. They are hidden behind the faces of normal people. Face this fact: you cannot and you will not destroy them by launching some nukes. Never gonna happen.

Have you heard of the chechen situation? The entire Russian army can't even handle a couple hundred Jihad fighters. In fact, there are more kids born that join the Jihad in that region than the Russians can kill! They remain stationed there and every day Russians are killed, always more than Chechens.

The mistake that you're making is that you are overestimating technology. You are not gonna be able to use it against a people that does not want to be found. That hides in places you do not know of. That disguises themselves as normal citizens. Chechens look a lot like Russians, how are you ever going to make a distinction? Russians themselves say that they are stuck in a military swamp. They cannot win the war but they do not want to loose it again either. They are simply stuck and their soldiers are void of the will the fight. They write "We want to go home" on the walls of the ruins in Grozny. This is your prospect, if you are lucky, because you can never kill them all and they will breed the shit out of themselves to regain manpower.

If you are not so lucky, then you will loose manpower yourself. I'm sure that the US military is very strong and hi-tech. But Western citizens aren't used to shit. Most of us do not know how to take out an enemy with your bare hands, or even operate guns properly and accurately. Once there is a lot of violence internally, our systems will collapse: The economy will completely be destroyed, every day life will cease to exist and we will end up in a downward spiral. We might be killed more on the longterm than they kill us, as was demonstrated in many other cases of war. It is obvious that you have no idea how your enemy works and what his state of mind is. I wish you did, because a lot of you don't know who you are provoking and it's my guess that if you go through with it that you're gonna wish you didn't.

So why not just try a different approach? It is not too late to reconcile with the Muslim world. Why go through ALL this trouble? Arabs and Muslims just wanna live their FUCKING LIVES like we do!! I don't give a fuck about your goddamn military games, go paintball for fucks sake but don't push people into a war that NOONE wants.

I'm so sick of this fucking bullshit. Hey theking, if you want beef so much why don't you try taking on one Muslim first. Just go to a mosque and ask for a fight with one of these guys. If you're so full of violence and the urge for combat, then get the fuck away from that computer and experience it real life. Better yet, go to Russia and get your head cut off by a Chechen with an axe. A nice little taste of things to come if this course is maintained.

Undutchable

So basically, you're saying that attacking US citizens is legitmate. You are using the EXACT same kind of reasoning Osama bin Laden is using! You're no different from the extremist cocksuckers, go have a cup of tea with em and have a nice chat about your similarities, you might end up liking your ideological peers.

theking

What problem do you have with the word legitimate, as in "legitimate target". If you do not like the word legitimate then change it to "necessary target" or "viable target" or whatever word you prefer, because under certain circumstances civilians are intentionally targeted and were targeted and killed by the millions by all sides during the Second World War and will be targeted in future wars when it is deemed to be necessary to do so.

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