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DEA · 02-20-2012, 12:22 PM

SLICK WIlly CLinTon !

Shotsie · 02-20-2012, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Sure, he sent guns to the Mexican Drug cartels, he sent drones to Pakistan after we killed Osama and the reason things are locked up is because of him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_...rule_of_Panama
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign..._Latin_America

tony286 · 02-20-2012, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Reagan trained and gave weapons to Afghans, Angolaians and Nicaraguas.

I don't agree with the war, but being that we are at war, I agree with his no pussy footing around attitude. The Countries that harbor bad guys have already been warned, and congress has already approved this war on terrorism. So really no reason to fuck around.

It was the Republicans that said they would do everything they could to make sure Obama fails, vote everything down, be against anything he does, even before he did anything, they started. All without regards to American's or our Country. So yeah, you could say it's because of him, but it's not his fault, and that's all that matters.

I typically go on and off with gfy... depending on what time of year it is

Under him the CIA trained bin laden. The largest tax increases in peace time,started the biggest fucking of the middle class and the wonderful meese commission. Give me a Teddy or a Franklin.

Relentless · 02-20-2012, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by raymor

I suppose if you have to choose between mediocre, pretty bad, and "holy crap he's fucked things up more than all other presidents combined" ...
Hopefully in 2016 we'll get a great president, it's been too long. I almost don't care of it's democrat great ala Kennedy / Roosevelt or republican great ala Reagan / Lincoln. I say 2016 because I don't hold much hope for 2012, though you never know.

The current political process does not allow the possibility of a great president. Not only would FDR, JFK and other great Presidents have been unelectable under the current campaigning rituals, they would never have even considered running for office. No sane person wants to campaign for three years, have ever family secret exposed, spend their lives chasing corporate dollars and dutifully supporting the people paying their bills whethere they agree with them or not... People like Mike Bloomberg have the possibility of being a great president, but the electoral system is geared to attract asshats like Donald Trump instead.

It is destroying our nation rapidly and the people who would have to fix it are the same ones directly benefiting from how brokn it is... So that fix becomes less likely every cycle.

Dirty Dane · 02-20-2012, 12:38 PM

G W Bush. No doubt.

tony286 · 02-20-2012, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Relentless

The current political process does not allow the possibility of a great president. Not only would FDR, JFK and other great Presidents have been unelectable under the current campaigning rituals, they would never have even considered running for office. No sane person wants to campaign for three years, have ever family secret exposed, spend their lives chasing corporate dollars and dutifully supporting the people paying their bills whethere they agree with them or not... People like Mike Bloomberg have the possibility of being a great president, but the electoral system is geared to attract asshats like Donald Trump instead.

It is destroying our nation rapidly and the people who would have to fix it are the same ones directly benefiting from how brokn it is... So that fix becomes less likely every cycle.

Very true , well said

porno jew · 02-20-2012, 12:47 PM

Mike Bloomberg would be a disaster. fuck that guy.

DaddyHalbucks · 02-20-2012, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by epitome

Being that I've only been old enough to care during Clinton, Bush and Obama, I have to choose Clinton.

He did a lot of fucked up shit,
...

I agree with the second part.

SuckOnThis · 02-20-2012, 01:50 PM

Newt and Clinton worked well together? All Newt did was talk shit about Clinton, pushed for impeachment on doing the same shit he was doing and now takes credit for Clintons ideas. Give me a fucking break.

TheDoc · 02-20-2012, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Weren't the Afghans defending themselves against the USSR at the time? Who are the Mexican Drug cartels protecting themselves from?

Weren't we basically funding Bin Laden? Didn't we do this to try and "beat" the Russians? Isn't that what they goal was with the cartels, to learn more so we can beat them? Yep..... Did both end up funding, helping, and basically fucking things up more? Yep....

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

So it's ok to attack any country we want? Thats what got us in that mess oin the first place isn't it? Or is this of those because the GOP did it, it's ok?

Well yeah, that's why Iraq was wrong. But we didn't attack Pakistan.... so your question is a bit pointless. Bush's lies is what got us to attack the entire Country of Iraq. What's happened in Pakistan is nothing like Iraq.

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Reagan worked with the democrats and Clinton worked with the GOP, what they didn't do was bash the other party and blame the other party in every speech.

Great, Obama "IS" working with both parties... however, one party "REFUSES" to work with him. Everyone, including you, would bitch about that if it was happening to you.

Lol, every speech... not even close, not even most... but I can understand why he does, the Reps want nothing he does and expect him to do everything they say. Fact is, Americans deserve to know that the Republicans are part of the problem, not the solution.

It is funny that you think Obama is FULLY at fault, when the Reps have stated this is the #1 agenda for them, from day 1, before he actually did anything. They don't care about the state of the country, jobs, housing, etc... as they said the #1 goal is to make sure Obama does nothing and can't be reelected.... #1 goal, #1 priority, the focus is Obama - those are words the Reps have used.

Phoenix · 02-20-2012, 02:52 PM

Reagan? Reagan was a pure puppet who sold away the future on his promise of imperial borrowing...or Reagonomics

raymor · 02-20-2012, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

Under him the CIA trained bin laden.

Only as much as Obama trained Napoleon. In other words, not at all. Obama went to France. Napoleon was in France. Neither has anything to do with the other.

The US trained some Afghans. bin Laden was in Afghanistan. That does not mean we trained bin Laden. Not any more than Obama trained Napoleon.

TheDoc · 02-20-2012, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by raymor

Only as much as Obama trained Napoleon. In other words, not at all. Obama went to France. Napoleon was in France. Neither has anything to do with the other.

The US trained some Afghans. bin Laden was in Afghanistan. That does not mean we trained bin Laden. Not any more than Obama trained Napoleon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_%E2...en_controversy

"n mid-1979, about the same time as the Soviet Union deployed troops into Afghanistan, the United States began giving several hundred million dollars a year in aid to the Afghan Mujahideen insurgents fighting the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan and the Soviet Army in Operation Cyclone. Along with native Afghan mujahideen were Muslim volunteers from other countries, popularly known as Afghan Arabs. The most famous of the Afghan Arabs was Osama bin Laden, known at the time as a wealthy and pious Saudi who provided his own money and helped raise millions from other wealthy Gulf Arabs.

As the war neared its end, bin Laden organized the al-Qaeda organization to carry on armed jihad in other venues, primarily against the United States — the country that had helped fund the mujahideen against the Soviets."

"The BBC, in an article published shortly after the 9/11 attacks, stated that bin Laden "received security training from the CIA itself, according to Middle Eastern analyst Hazhir Teimourian

In a 2003 article, Michael Powelson of the Russian journal Demokratizatsiya wrote:

It is difficult to believe that the United States played no role in the operations of the son of one of the wealthiest men in Saudi Arabia. Indeed, it is much more likely that the United States knew full-well of bin Laden's operation and gave it all the support they could.[2]"

The CIA denies directly training Bin Laden (because they don't know if they did or didn't, indirectly or not).... then again, they don't deny the money, arms, and the training the DID fund, they just deny doing it directly.... duh.

Vendzilla · 02-20-2012, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Weren't we basically funding Bin Laden? Didn't we do this to try and "beat" the Russians? Isn't that what they goal was with the cartels, to learn more so we can beat them? Yep..... Did both end up funding, helping, and basically fucking things up more? Yep....

Back to the Mexican cartels, you're saying we gave them assault weapons to find out more about them? 34,000 people have died in drug related murders in Mexico in the last 4 years.
You really think I back this?

I hate that the US gets involved in any wars, but giving guns to drug cartels, right across the border?

ok, I'm done with this thread, I promised myself I would stay out of political threads, I really started this thread to give some honor to some of the presidents we have had in the past. Everyone knows how I feel about the present administration, and it's not just the president, I don't like any of the 435 in the house of representives, 100 senators, some of the supreme justices, I mean one just put down the constitution?

TheDoc · 02-20-2012, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Back to the Mexican cartels, you're saying we gave them assault weapons to find out more about them? 34,000 people have died in drug related murders in Mexico in the last 4 years.
You really think I back this?

No, I'm not saying that... that's what the Gov said the reason was.

You act like they didn't already have machine guns and everything else under the sun.

So like 1/3 of the Iraqi's?

I never said you backed it or anyone should, I compared it us giving other Countries weapons, which "have" killed countless Americans. You're trying to create a separation of the two, when they're the same. The only difference is you agree with one President and not the other.

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I hate that the US gets involved in any wars, but giving guns to drug cartels, right across the border?

Is that anything like, funding the people that end up running planes into us? Has Mexico attacked "America" with our guns, did we give them hundreds of millions if money, guns, training, etc? I think not....

D Ghost · 02-20-2012, 03:58 PM

I still think presidents are just good old fashioned puppets.

Vendzilla · 02-20-2012, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Has Mexico attacked "America"

they invaded us!

astronaut x · 02-20-2012, 07:32 PM

who fucking cares?

bla bla bla...

arguing about politics on gfy is like beating your head against the wall.

pointless and retarded.

Vendzilla · 02-20-2012, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by astronaut x

who fucking cares?

bla bla bla...

arguing about politics on gfy is like beating your head against the wall.

pointless and retarded.

We're not arguing, we're discussing. The ones that argue are the ones that say well Bush did it, so it's ok, who said it was ok when he did it?

So do we call you naut or just x?

TheDoc · 02-20-2012, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

they invaded us!

Lol, no... they without question did not invade us. Where do you get this shit?

But, just to be sure I'll look out the Window. *checking* .... I don't see an invading army, all is quite on this front.

Invade means, to occupy a country/region, place, etc... in larger numbers, normally with an intrusive effect. America "invades" other Countries.... Mexico, not so much.

Vendzilla · 02-20-2012, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Invade means, to occupy a country/region, place, etc... in larger numbers, normally with an intrusive effect. .

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/fed-...cinco-de-mayo/

Fed Judge: Calif. School Was Right to Forbid Students’ American Flag T-Shirts on Cinco de Mayo

I don't know where you live, but this is where I live, California.

TheDoc · 02-20-2012, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/fed-...cinco-de-mayo/

Fed Judge: Calif. School Was Right to Forbid Students’ American Flag T-Shirts on Cinco de Mayo

I don't know where you live, but this is where I live, California.

You quoted the invaded part and then posted this?

That's not an invasion, not even kind of or even in some oddly twisted way...... it is however a judge saying a persons first amendment rights was not violated. Probably because schools can make up any clothing policy they want, even more so if it will cause trouble.

chaze · 02-20-2012, 10:55 PM

I have always liked Clinton, my favorite all time.

Vendzilla · 02-20-2012, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

You quoted the invaded part and then posted this?

That's not an invasion... that's a judge saying a persons first amendment rights was not violated. Probably because schools can make up any clothing policy they want, even more so if it will cause trouble.

You think it's ok to tell the students they can't wear an american flag on a mexican holiday? REALLY?

I thought you believed in free speech?

BFT3K · 02-20-2012, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Newt and Clinton worked well together? All Newt did was talk shit about Clinton, pushed for impeachment on doing the same shit he was doing and now takes credit for Clintons ideas. Give me a fucking break.

Seriously! Those days were as divisive and combative as they get!

Newt is the godfather of angry partisanship. He has seriously fanned the flames of the political divide in this country.

BTW, based upon his largest PAC contributor, which country exactly do you believe Newt is running to benefit? Hint: It is not the US.

Vendzilla · 02-20-2012, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

Seriously! Those days were as divisive and combative as they get!

Newt was the godfather of angry partisanship. He has seriously fanned the flames of the political divide in this country.

BTW, based upon his largest PAC contributor, which country exactly do you believe Newt is running to benefit? Hint: It is not the US.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/07/us...pagewanted=all

BFT3K · 02-20-2012, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/07/us...pagewanted=all

Okay, here's this then...

http://www.stunning-stuff.com/read-w...ories/132.html

TheDoc · 02-20-2012, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

You think it's ok to tell the students they can't wear an american flag on a mexican holiday? REALLY?

I thought you believed in free speech?

Shirts don't talk, and no speech was being given... and the freedom to self express is limited in every school in the Country.

All schools have dress codes, some very strict, others not so much, but they all have them. And all of them can modify those rules as they see fit, for any reason. Corporations do this as well.... The gov, corps, schools, even my house has rules on it.

The kids did this to be assholes... the school made the correct choice, I would have made the same choice.

2012 · 02-20-2012, 11:20 PM

Vendzilla · 02-20-2012, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

Okay, here's this then...

http://www.stunning-stuff.com/read-w...ories/132.html

just showing you that there is no difference between the left and the right

Vendzilla · 02-20-2012, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Shirts don't talk, and no speech was being given... and the freedom to self express is limited in every school in the Country.

All schools have dress codes, some very strict, others not so much, but they all have them. And all of them can modify those rules as they see fit, for any reason. Corporations do this as well.... The gov, corps, schools, even my house has rules on it.

The kids did this to be assholes... the school made the correct choice, I would have made the same choice.

I celebrated Cinco De Mayo every year as a kid, still said the pledge of allegiance every morning.

If american flags are banned, then no flags should be allowed, doesn't matter why they did it.

TheDoc · 02-20-2012, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I celebrated Cinco De Mayo every year as a kid, still said the pledge of allegiance every morning.

If american flags are banned, then no flags should be allowed, doesn't matter why they did it.

Cool, however that's not anywhere near the same thing.

They aren't banned... so no worries then.

Vendzilla · 02-21-2012, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Cool, however that's not anywhere near the same thing.

They aren't banned... so no worries then.

they are on may 5th apparently

TheDoc · 02-21-2012, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

they are on may 5th apparently

I guess we'll have to see if the school raises the American flag that day, or see if the class rooms still have American flags in them, or maybe they'll be stopping cars entering the property asking them to remove American symbols.... then you could say it's banned, until then it's just another hyped up lame twist that you're pulling out of your ass.

pornmasta · 02-21-2012, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

President Obama

ADG

And he is nobel price of peace !

pornmasta · 02-21-2012, 05:59 AM

My favorite president is Bill Clinton, here is why:

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lol

Grapesoda · 02-21-2012, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

This is not a political thread, it's merely presidents day in a couple hours. Give a shout to what president deserves some praise.

My favorite is Ronald Reagan. I was off the coast of Iran between the fleet and the coast when Ronny took office.

Ronald Reagan, at a high of 77, the oldest president to hold office and the first that was an actor

At one point, his approval rating was up to 73%, 63% when he left office

During his Presidency, Ronald Reagan pursued policies that reflected his optimism in individual freedom, expanded the American economy, and contributed to the end of the Cold War. The "Reagan Revolution", as it came to be known, aimed to reinvigorate American morale, and reduce the people's reliance upon government

Probably did more for the gay community than any other president. His column was very popular.
In the late 1970s he wrote a response in his LA Herald-Examiner column to the organization backing the California Briggs Initiative, stating that he opposed the proposed ban on gay public school teachers. Reagan's daughter, Patti Davis, wrote an article in the New York Times where she recalled her father talking about Rock Hudson's homosexuality in an accepting and tolerant manner.

Credited with increasing spending on national defense and diplomacy which contributed to the end of the Cold War, That and the way he negociated lower prices for oil, really hurt the USSR

Despite Reagan's stated desire to cut spending, federal spending grew during his administration. However, economist Milton Friedman pointed out that non-defense spending as a percentage of national income stabilized throughout Reagan's term, breaking a long upward trend; the number of new regulations added each year dramatically decreased as well

He came out with the
Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986
Which I see in the news the current administration is still fighting

McKinney?Vento Homeless Assistance Act

I know a lot of people here are going to bash him, But he was able to work with the Democrats to get things done, he worked very closely with Tip O'neil, the Democratic Speaker of the house. Under his presidency, the country was more patriotic which is reflected by his approval numbers.

One of my favorite quotes from Ronny was "In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem."

I'm not going to argue about anything with this, these are facts. No President can have a perfect presidency. I think my second favorite is Lincoln.

if it moves: regulate it, if it stops moving: subsidize it. ronald regan

LAJ · 02-21-2012, 01:38 PM

I've been around since the Johnson administration (Lyndon, not Andrew) and would have to say that Bill Clinton is my favorite during my life time and dubbaya my least favorite. Will never forget how sick I felt in late 2000 knowing that Clinton's days in office were numbered, and the SC was in the process of handing over the presidency to dickhead.

uno · 02-22-2012, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

just showing you that there is no difference between the left and the right

And yet you hate the left and are a raving right wing looney. Odd how that works.

Vendzilla · 02-22-2012, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by uno

And yet you hate the left and are a raving right wing looney. Odd how that works.

Soory, thought you could read, there is no difference between the left and the right

chaze · 02-22-2012, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by astronaut x

who fucking cares?

bla bla bla...

arguing about politics on gfy is like beating your head against the wall.

pointless and retarded.

I's funny how the government can regulate the fuck out of all the things that benefit the poor like weed (I don't smoke, but it would be sold and done by mostly poor people if legal), free enterprise, the internet, and insane taxes.

Yet the things that really do damage to this country and the people like wall street, the fed, china, and the banking system all get to run nearly free.

Makes you wonder if they really give a shit about people at all.

I like Clinton because he tried to balance this out better. happy poor people mean a better society for all. It's pretty simple really.

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