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Old 03-20-2012, 05:59 AM   #51
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Where are all these hundreds of thousands of people? The buildings say nothing, Auschwitz was a work camp with a cinema, swimming pool, hospital and dental facilities, library, a post office and a brothel. The prisoners died from work labor and various disease.

The labor camp ovens could have handled no more than 50 people per day. It takes 6 hours on average to fully cremate a body. It was simply impossible to cremate so many people. And the "gas chambers" were installed by the jews after the war.

Its bad enough they interview people who were 1 or 2 at the time and somehow they give amazingly vivid accurate descriptions of what happened at the time.
You believe this ?

Or you is just a trollin ?
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Where are all these hundreds of thousands of people? The buildings say nothing, Auschwitz was a work camp with a cinema, swimming pool, hospital and dental facilities, library, a post office and a brothel. The prisoners died from work labor and various disease.

The labor camp ovens could have handled no more than 50 people per day. It takes 6 hours on average to fully cremate a body. It was simply impossible to cremate so many people. And the "gas chambers" were installed by the Jews after the war.

Its bad enough they interview people who were 1 or 2 at the time and somehow they give amazingly vivid accurate descriptions of what happened at the time.
I have visited Auschwitz several times, there is no swimming pool but there are gas chambers and crematories and the ashes of millions of people in the surrounding fields. Bodies were also burnt in pyres in the open. This was a death camp.

Where did all the Jews, Gypsies, Communists, POWs go ? Did 6 million people hide just to help build a lie for people like you ?
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Bodies were also burnt in pyres in the open.
Do you realize how stupid this statement sounds?
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Do you realize how stupid this statement sounds?
I dont think it is stupid.

Witness staements from surviving Sonderkommando testify to this being the case.

Photographic evidence can be viewed.



The Nuremburg trials went though this in considerable detail. Lots of high ranking Nazis admitted their part in the Holocaust. There is an enomous body of evidence which suggests millions of men, women, and children were murdered in the death camps built by Nazi Germany yet you choose not to believe it.

Why ?


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There is an enomous body of evidence which suggests millions of men, women, and children were murdered in the death camps built by Nazi Germany yet you choose not to believe it.

Why ?
Where is this "enormous evidence"? Link?
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Where is this "enormous evidence"? Link?

Now I know you is just a trollin.....

Because even you know how to use google.

Lets start here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust for some light reading on the subject.

Its reasonably concise with hundreds of links to the different references.

At the foot of the page there are links to a couple of hundred different books written by esteemed academics. When you have done here let me know and I will happily suggest some more sources.

I dont suppose reading is your thing though, so here are some piccies.



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Now I know you is just a trollin.....

Because even you know how to use google.

Lets start here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust for some light reading on the subject.

Its reasonably concise with hundreds of links to the different references.

At the foot of the page there are links to a couple of hundred different books written by esteemed academics. When you have done here let me know and I will happily suggest some more sources.

I dont suppose reading is your thing though, so here are some piccies.



He's obviously just trolling. NO ONE can be this obtuse.



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George Bush has surpassed guys like Hitley and Satlin and Mao...not even in the same category, he's on a whole new level. It's the same type of personality and consciousness level these guys are at. If you don't agree with them, then they are willing to kill you or lock you in a cage. And then claim how "moral" and religious they are. All for simply disagreeing with them or living a life different to there's. How do you not see this?
You clearly know nothing about Mao or Stalin.

I would not be surprised if you were in nappies when Bush was was power.

You know fuck all about the matter. Prick.

Hitley and Satlin. You cannot even spell their names never mind grasp the horrors that they unleashed.

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Now I know you is just a trollin.....

Because even you know how to use google.
How am I trolling? You yourself posted about "enormous evidence", I just asked where it was.

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Lets start here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust for some light reading on the subject.
A Jew-operated website. Yes, that's quite a credible source indeed.

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There is not much evidence at all

I'm not saying that people weren't killed but the whole ridiculous story of "Hitley hated Jews so he rounded all them up and threw them into ovens so the American heroes had to come and stop them" is absolutely fucking retarded and insults my intelligence


So you dont believe the Holocaust to be true because you are too smart ?

You know more about the subject than people who have dedicated their whole lives to the study of how and why the holocaust happened.

To deny the Holocaust because you are anti-semetic and you believe the Holocaust to be a Jewish conspiracy is a vaild (yet equally ridiculous) argument, but to deny it because you are too clever to believe such a far fetched story is arogant beyond belief.

How do you decide what is true ?

You believe that American planes dropped Atomic weapons on Japanese cities, but you dont believe that Nazi Germany commited genocide.

What is the thought process that says one is true, and the other a made up story to glorify America ?

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You were PROGRAMMED to associate the names Hitler and Stalin to evil....but not Bush. Gee I WONDER WHY?! They are all the same...mass murderers on a scale so absurd that's it's almost impossible to believe

I believe that Hitler and Stalin were mass murderers because I studied this period of history.

Have you ?

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And George Bush too...or does that somehow not count? Because of propoganda?
I am not a fan of either of the Bush presidents - but whether you like it or not they are not in the same league as Hitler, Bush and Mao.

Sorry but you show how uneducated you are by suggesting this.

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I am not a fan of either of the Bush presidents - but whether you like it or not they are not in the same league as Hitler, Bush and Mao.

Sorry but you show how uneducated you are by suggesting this.

you havent read any of his posts yet newnick?

He thinks aliens rule the world and live in a hollow earth, education is a waste of time, science is the same as religion and all history is fabricated.

he's kinda entertaining as either a troll or as a total know nothing moron who you can laugh at, just don't take him too seriously.
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I think Bush and his neocon crew are war criminals though. Just that johnny has no idea.
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Homegrown Video... part of the Illuminati?

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Propaganda really is something
So you are somehow "informed" and "aware" and "know" things the rest of the world is too "programmed" to realize... shouldn't you be saving us from the Matrix or something?

Not kidding. Neo needs your help. Humanity, or what is left of it is seriously at risk.

btw.. Wise move using a porn board for your operations to help free us all from our own ignorance.
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Just don't impose your beliefs and values upon me through FORCE.
did your daddy use to?
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btw.. Wise move using a porn board for your operations to help free us all from our own ignorance.
That's because he picked the red pill. If he had chosen the blue one, he would be able to use slightly better information outlets...



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Not helping or telling anyone what to believe.

Simply spreading the truth. You have the right to live your life how you see fit. Just don't impose your beliefs and values upon me through FORCE. Violence is NEVER the solution and should NEVER be an option. Nothing good comes out of violence or from the use of force no matter what the intention is.
Ok, so for the record, because someone has to keep track of these things...

Violence... bad. (unless perhaps someone is trying to kill you for no good reason at all... but then just enough to get by I suppose or otherwise it gets excessive)

Force... bad. (except in certain cases like trying to open a jelly jar with a really tightly sealed lid)

Authority... bad. (who wants to ever listen to someone that assumes they know more than you do, that shit just gets old)

Society... bad. (yeps, couldn't stand cliques in high school either so that one isn't too hard to grasp)

Government... bad. (who needs it when anarchy would be so much more fun because you can do whatever you want when you want to and nobody can tell you you can't; that just sounds awesome!)

Am I good so far?

All we need now is a solid anthem.

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A person has to come the the sad conclusion that some people are too stupid or uneducated to have a rational debate with.

6 million Jews were murdered, just go to any Jewish family and politely ask them about their history. You won't have to ask many before you will have your first hand evidence of industrialized mass murder on a scale unique in history.
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A person has to come the the sad conclusion that some people are too stupid or uneducated to have a rational debate with.

6 million Jews were murdered, just go to any Jewish family and politely ask them about their history. You won't have to ask many before you will have your first hand evidence of industrialized mass murder on a scale unique in history.

I dont normally agree with you - but it takes monumental stupidity to think that the holocaust did not happen. Especially for the reasons this joker is spouting.


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1 million+ Iraq people were murdered. How do you think they feel?
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No one ever said the Holocaust didn't happen

All we are saying is that it did not happen like "history" says it happened, similar to 9/11, Gulf of Tonkin, etc.


Johnny boy - there is a mountain of evidence to support the mainstream version of the Holocaust. Of course the winners write the history, but the rise of Nazi Germany, the ensuing war, the Final Solution, it happened pretty much as described by the history books. To deny it makes you look ridiculously stupid or some kind of anti-semite.

Of course the winners gloss over their mis-deeds, but WWII was one of the very few genuinely righteous wars. In Europe and in the Pacific agressive totalitarian regimes were happy to dish out cruelty beyond belief to the people and lands that they invaded. Free democratic countries fought these regimes to the bitter end and 50m people died in the conflict.

For you to rewrite all this in your head is and declare yourself to be the arbiter of "the truth" is incredibly arogant.

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Why would someone try to kill you for no reason at all? Let's address the root cause of the problem. If children are raised peaceful, then I don't see why someone would want to kill you for "no reason at all"?

The initiation of force = violence

Authority = hierarchy which is the worst thing you can have in society and in any other possible scenario. Why is not all the information and knowledge available to anyone and for anyone who wants to access to it?

Society is a joke. If it defines who you are, then you are a tool plain and simple. Live your life how YOU want, not how OTHERS say you should live it.

"Government" is a small group of people given the monopoly of force to do whatever they want to do. They are useless and everything they touch turns to absolute shit. People should be free to live THEIR life how they see fit without a bunch of idiots IMPOSING their will upon them
Sounds like you have given this a lot of really deep thought. I think I will just go along with whatever you are saying... wait... no way! I am not going to let you be the authority on this! Who's with me?

Fuck.

Can't ask for consensus because that would be just too close to becoming a "society" and we can't have that leading to Government... because the next thing you know people will be demanding the Ban Hammer of censorship.

Fuck.

We are all screwed.
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johnny is the AUTHORITY on ANTI-AUTHORITY!

his paradoxical nature is fucking my mind up!!
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Present day Germany seems to be doing quite nice...



I hear the crabs and lobster are delicious this time of year.

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Johnny I don't even know where to start with your ignorance. I know it won't make a difference so I'd just call you a retard and be done with it but why insult retarded people by putting you in the same category.
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Were you alive and in Germany when this transpired?

NO, so you do not have a CLUE as to what happened. You only know aka BELIEVE what the government tells you. Do you not get this?
Your life must be so sad and pathetic for you to have to grasp at straws like this to make yourself (somehow??) feel better because you "know the secrets".
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btw.they say it as a fact that Hitler was a vegetarian...maybe that's why animals could be treated better than today... (maybe better than most humans by that time)
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there's enough evidence, witnesses and germans who admitted guilt to make this "the holocaust never existed" debate completely pointless. it makes you only look stupid and a nazi.
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there's enough evidence, witnesses and germans who admitted guilt to make this "the holocaust never existed" debate completely pointless. it makes you only look stupid and a nazi.
Most of this "evidence" has been fabricated with "guilty" Germans tortured into confessions. Although, It probably did happen, but not nearly on the scale the Jews claim it to be.

The populations of the West have, for decades, been inundated and inoculated with an endless onslaught of holocaust-themed Hollywood stories, movies, television shows, “docudramas”, books and memoirs. In conjunction with mandatory “holocaust education” in schools across North America and Europe.

The primary function of this global propaganda campaign is to brainwash non-Jews into a state of abject fear and paralysis while we are ideologically, economically and physically controlled by the Jewish lobby. It is also designed to delegitimize all criticism of Jews and the State of Israel and to ensnare non-Jews into adopting a pro-Jewish, pro-Zionist worldview.

The 6.000.000 is the magic number from the Jewish Kabbalah, representing the number of Jews who have to die in order for the Kingdom of Israel to be restored. Anything less doesn't fit the Jewish math.

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Russkies lost 30+ million people, do you ever hear about it anywhere?


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Most of this "evidence" has been fabricated with "guilty" Germans tortured into confessions. Although, It probably did happen, but not nearly on the scale the Jews claim it to be.

The populations of the West have, for decades, been inundated and inoculated with an endless onslaught of holocaust-themed Hollywood stories, movies, television shows, ?docudramas?, books and memoirs. In conjunction with mandatory ?holocaust education? in schools across North America and Europe.

The primary function of this global propaganda campaign is to brainwash non-Jews into a state of abject fear and paralysis while we are ideologically, economically and physically controlled by the Jewish lobby. It is also designed to delegitimize all criticism of Jews and the State of Israel and to ensnare non-Jews into adopting a pro-Jewish, pro-Zionist worldview.

The 6.000.000 is the magic number from the Jewish Kabbalah, representing the number of Jews who have to die in order for the Kingdom of Israel to be restored. Anything less doesn't fit the Jewish math.

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Russkies lost 30+ million people, do you ever hear about it anywhere?


How do you know the evidence was fabricated ?

All the enormous amount of physical evidence, witness statement, actual footage of allied troops entering the camps, the years of anti-semitisn before WWII even started, Kristallnacht, the Warsaw ghetto, the Nuremberg laws, its not just a few photoshopped images.

When the allies rounded up the remaining Nazis and questioned them, they did not deny the Holocaust, some argued that they were just following orders, but most were so brainwashed by years of increasingly fervent hatred that they could not understand why everyone was so miffed about the whole killing of the jews thing. As for as they were concerned jews were sub-human, untermensch, and they were doing the world a favour by exterminating the vermin.

They did not need to torture confessions out of people.

The rest of your anti-semitic rant is similar nonsense to that perpetuated by the Nazis in their rise to power. The Great jewish Conspiracy. You sound just like poor old Johnnyclips, paranoid that they are trying to control us all. Your bogeymen are the Jews, not quite sure who Johnny is so scared of.

However you are the dangerous one here, quite happy to believe that there is an ethnic group that we need to fear, they are plotting to enslave and dominate us and we need to be vigilent against their sneaky underhand insidious nature. Its poor paranoid hate filled twats like you that are happy to man the ovens.

Your pal Johnny is just a poor deluded tin foil hero, he has a chance to grow up and see the world through mature eyes. You however are a fucking disgrace. An Nazi sympathising anti-semite who hates Jews because he is so inadequte in his own pathetic existing.

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I don't know anything you or anyone else doesn't know...but I know one thing, the government does NOT tell the truth and has no motivation to do so ...so stop believing their nonsense stories
Yes, you are right the government does not tell the truth, I does not have to lie too hard either.

It finds that a few stupid lies fools most of the people most of the time, so the truth is not to difficult to find for people prepared to read books, critically read intelligent newspapers, listen to dissident voices.

You have thrown out the baby with the bathwater.
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You is butthurt Jedi ? no ?

Is this you ?





Please tell us Jedi, you are clearly an anti-semite, but how do you feel about those pesky muslims, they are breeding like wildfire and preety soon they will outnumber us in our own countries. They want to take over aswell as the Jews. How will you protect us o powerful one ?

Will you form a party so we can all join and march around in uniforms that make us look big and important. Perhaps we could give ourselves titles and medals aswell ?

What do you think ?


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Were you alive and in Germany when this transpired?

NO, so you do not have a CLUE as to what happened. You only know aka BELIEVE what the government tells you. Do you not get this?
I'll try and stay as polite and calm as possible here, no I wasn't alive. My grandmother was alive and escaped with her life, something that couldn't be said for much of her family, they were taken to concentration camps and murdered.

I don't need to listen to the government, I've had the opportunity to talk to those who were there, and hear their horrific stories. I KNOW and BELIEVE what they told me from their first hand experience.

I have also visited the Dachau concentration camp when I was in Germany, and gained a very good clue of what went on.

How about you educate yourself a little!
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Were you alive and in Germany when this transpired?

NO, so you do not have a CLUE as to what happened. You only know aka BELIEVE what the government tells you. Do you not get this?
You see Johnny boy you were not alive then either. So what makes you so insightful ?

You have not taken it upon yourself to actually learn about what happened. You have simply decided that something did or did not happen based upon your very intense prejudices.

Can you not see how immature and ridiculous that makes you look ?


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I do not know what happened and neither do you. End of story

No Johnny not end of story. I studied these events in detail. I have had the opportunity to learn about why and how the holocaust happend. The roots of German anti-semitism, Bismarck and the birth of modern German, the perceived betrayal and surrender of Germany in WWI, the humiliation of Germany at Versailles, the rise of extreme politics during the depression, hyperinflation and the US banks, the failure of the Weimar Republic, and eventually the democratic election of the National Socialists.

The story of the Holocaust is not just about the winners of WWII writing history as they see fit. The story is detailed and complex and to suggest that it is propaganda and made up to keep us poor sheep in a state of fear is absolutely laughable.

If you take anything from this my hope is that you might actually start thinking for yourself one day. Please make it soon, you might stop making a prick out of yourself.

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I do not know what happened and neither do you. End of story
You seem pretty confident about what transpired for someone who just admitted they don't know what happened.

Now how about responding to my reply.
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