astronaut x

We all know the market is saturated, but has anyone else seen a major decline in the past month? Like just a complete dropoff in sales?

I have been getting sales on a regular basis and for some reason a little over a month ago, nothing but expirations and more then usual declines.

My traffic is the same as it has always been and I still maintain all my affiliates that have always produced sales on a regular basis.

Anyone else?

astronaut x

CCbill has been the most trusted and reliable 3rd party biller it seems like forever, and I have been EXTREMELY happy with the service they have provided me over the years. I have always been able to contact support and everyone has been completely professional and helpful.

However it just seems completely odd that sales would drop off like they have in one day.

I certainly do not see much of an alternative at the moment.

I gave it plenty of time to see if it was just a slow month but nothing has changed.

I'm certainly not accusing them of cutting sites off that don't reach a certain sales quota, but could this be what is quietly going on? I just renewed my visa few months ago.

Am i being pushed out of business?

anexsia

That's why my ratios are so bad this month, CCBill. It's just how it is though, some months really suck and some months are really good. Here's to hoping our sales improve in April.

astronaut x

My new sales have completely disappeared though.

What am i supposed to pay my hosting bill with? Pay my bills? Put food on the table?

I have zero faith in other third party billing companies. CCbill has been a rock. What is happening?

bns666

this month is a complete disaster.

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sojproductions

they have dropped of, traffic to our join pages is up, form hits way down, there is a breakdown at the moment, no matter who i speak to we can't pinpoint the problem. Sales just suck right now, the cascade to epoch is doing good though which to me highlights the issue even further. I also have been a fan of ccbill and been with them for years but we cant survive with the current sales, something has to change.

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Dirty F

It's not CCbill, it's you. I'm gonna do a record month with a ccbill site. Sales are better than ever.

MrDeiz

got a few refunds for $100+ this month 1 void and very slow sales. yesterday 03/21 is 2 sales and a refund, so i've ended the day with -$2.47 in total.

some day it's bigger than normal, but some are way lower. the whole situation is like waves. and frequent refunds lately is no cool at all

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jimmycooper

You're freaking great. Seriously, but please, for the love of god change that fucking sig.

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Interesting feedback fine sire.

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biskoppen

My CCBILL sales has been "ok" lately, but the last 3 days. including today, I'm looking at 30-40% of normal sales.. out of the fucking blue.

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Freaky_Akula

I no longer promote CCBill programs.

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cherrylula

It isn't ccbill, it's the market changing.

I don't want to offend anyone but webmasters don't exactly have marketing and economy degrees. The info you are missing is there.

ccbill is solid for what it is... if you want better conversions try mainstream. :2cents

Dirty F

Take it like a man!

jimmycooper

I have a marketing degree. Does that mean you'll believe me when I tell you that you're an idiot? Let me know and I'll make it happen.

Edit: Forgot to mention that I also have a minor in Finance. Tell me when you're ready for me to call you an idiot.

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You should charge back your education, because it obviously didn't teach you how to have an intelligent discussion.

jimmycooper

That thing is fucking huge.

I suggest this one as a replacement.

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jimmycooper

Please. Teach me how to have an intelligent conversation, CherryLula.

First you told me that I didn't have a marketing degree to which I responded that I do indeed have a marketing degree. With a minor in finance. Where did I fuck it up? The intelligence part. I'm curious. Tell me, CherryLula, tell me!

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btw my ccbill referral stats (almost 10k of referred webmasters) are almost ok

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pornmasta

I don't think that the problem:
With some sponsor, my ratio is 1/5000 and a year LATER, it is 1/1000.
The problem is different...

pornmasta

This is what some sponsors wants that we believe.
Then they buy back your website, then suddently it works again...

RyuLion

bingo.....

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Tom_PM

There's no such thing as a market saturation. Such a term should be removed from the vocabulary. There's probably 100,000 brands of beer on the market. More every year, not less. Just give it some good thought and you'll agree. Sure, it's a widely used excuse for poor sales, but that's all it is.

Maybe there's some technical thing, I wouldn't know. I do know that we're on our 8th straight day of record breaking high temperatures like most of the US. Over 30 degree's warmer than usual. Usually people would be indoors and occasionally shovelling snow this time of year. There's a lot of people with credit cards in the north eastern US too. They're all out playing in the sun.

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V_RocKs

Mine grew this month and last month too.

jimmycooper

You should set up a live chart that tracks your referral income. Set it up like CNBC and also have top ten gainers, top ten losers, highest volume, etc. It likely doesn't include many of the big money affiliates who have been around for awhile, but would still be a useful indicator. Kind of like the Russell 2000. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_2000_Index

I agree for the most part but you have to consider how incestuous typical adult traffic can be with all the traffic trades, link exchanges, gallery submissions, and tube submits as well as the sheer amount of traffic being bought and sold several times over on a daily basis. The same thing even holds true for search traffic unless you have every spot on page one. With that being said, it does seem as if most are too quick to blame saturation, but it's still a factor nonetheless.

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bean-aid

Are you using ccbill user management for members access?
If so, go into your cgi-bin folder and find your active htpasswd file. Make sure it is set to 666.

Tom_PM

If you're talking about a particular search term being full of competition as saturation, then yep.

Like in the old days when everyone would get the same content from the same provider and promote the same paysite from the same sponsor on the same link lists in the same categories. Self inflicted saturation.

Today everyone runs the same penis enlargment and fuck buddy ads on the same networks on the same tubes in the same positions. Oh why are sales drying up??

Just saying, looking closer to home before looking elsewhere can be useful.

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geedub

She made that troll post on purpose so people Get Banners Made, duh.

FetishWeb

I'd say more like parched and sun cracked.

femdomdestiny

my sales are worse then previous month. much worse.

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astronaut x

My sites are all exclusive content, and none of it has leaked to torrents or file sharing sites.

mynameisjim

Internet sales across the board are going to be lower. Higher gas prices and the warmest spring in history are the reason.

Market changes don't happen in two weeks. Gas prices have an immediate impact on the economy, it effects how much money people have TODAY, not down the road. Also the warm weather. In most parts of the country, weather this warm this early is totally unheard of and everybody is outside. Every night I hear people hanging out in their backyards, the outdoor restaurants are filled up, etc.

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astronaut x

I notice you run a ccbill affiliate program. How about you? Still seeing sales?

astronaut x

Im not talking about lower. Lower, I could understand, but, zero?

ZERO.

porno jew

maybe you have a ccbill sale stealing malware on your server.

Tom_PM

That sounds smart to me! There could be some technical issue or just natural cycle reason. People always seem to come and go in quantity so it could just turn right back around. Good luck in any case on good recovery.

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pornmasta

how to detect it ?

BlackCrayon

ccbill isn't evolving or upgrading to keep with the times. i could be wrong as i stopped using them a while ago but it just seems like its on autopilot.

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BFT3K

Sales are good, but they could be MUCH better. If I were a better business person, or if I were more aggressive, or if I had more investment capital.

If you get a decent amount of sales without much effort for example, it's kind of like panning for gold. You know the gold is there, but it's the better funded guys who can afford to bring in the big trucks and equipment.

If you can make a sale for every 300 unique views, then logically, you should be able to make 10 sales from 3000 views, and so on.

The gold is there, but you have to dig. You have to get the word out, otherwise no one will know you exist.

In my case, I need a cheap designer to churn out promo tools. I have affiliates, but they always want more tools. I don't blame them.

A man sifting for gold crumbs on the side of the river shouldn't expect much more, so to answer your question, March is as mediocre as almost all months are for me. Consistently average. I need to hire a crew, and rent some bigger equipment.

Any cheap designers out there?

BFT3K

On the other hand, if you aren't getting ANY sales at all, then you are having way bigger problems than most.

What sites do you run? Are you a producer or an affiliate? Why no promo links in your sig?

astronaut x

I am a producer. All my content is exclusive and I have seen no drop in traffic.

BFT3K

No one here knows the history of your sales, and no one knows what site(s) you run, so I'm not sure what you are after.

If you have a shitty site that used to do 2 sales a month, and now you're down to zero... oh well.

If you have (a) decent site (or sites), and you've dropped from 500 sales down to zero, then that's a problem, but as you won't even reveal what this site (or sites) are, I don't know how anyone can really help you.

CCBill sales are VERY consistent for me. That's all I can say. March is no exception.

bean-aid

What's the word with this??

Also, this may sound stupid but have you whipped out your own credit card and joined successfully?

Fat Panda

I had a kickass JAN but then sales dropped drastically

Socks

I was up last month, and slightly up this month based on the same days last month. Surprised to be, but there it is.

Bladewire

The first day of spring was 2 days ago and today is the new moon so sales will pick up tomorrow

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astronaut x

2 sales a month doesn't pay for hosting. 2 sales a month will not pay for the visa renewal fee.

I am not asking for your help in that manner. Refer to the title of this thread.

If sales are consistent for YOU, then that just tells me more that there is something fucked up going on.

By telling you what sites I run, will not help you figure out why my sales have tanked. In fact, it would probably confuse you even more, since they are well designed, well promoted, and have considerably more members area content then probably 95% of sites that are similar.

You would certainly not look at them and go.... "ah thats why... shitty content, shitty design, bla bla bla"

What I'm saying here, is my sales were also VERY consistent. All of the sudden dropping off to zero is highly unusual.

Which brings me full circle to the title of this thread. I mentioned wonderful things about CCBill so I am not here trolling, nor do I prefer to have my sites nitpicked for bullshit reasons, when there are other sites out there on CCbill making sales, with shitty content, shitty designs who never update etc etc. In fact right around the same time my sales went to zero I updated a couple members areas with over 10,000 exclusive pics.

Im not trying to be a dick to you, Im here to see if anyone else is having the same issue.