Pentagon to Track American Consumer Purchases: REPUBLICANS JUST KILLED YOUR BUSINESS - GoFuckYourself.com

MrPopup · 11-21-2002, 02:21 AM

THANK YOU FOR VOTING REPUBLICAN. THE IMPLICATIONS OF THIS ARE BEYOND COMPREHENSION.

...and for those of you who thought VISA over-regulation was not enough to get you out of the business....looks like you better sell your domains while you can stilll con people into thinking this industry has a future.

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Pentagon to Track American Consumer Purchases

WASHINGTON ? A massive database that the government will use to monitor every purchase made by every American citizen is a necessary tool in the war on terror, the Pentagon said Wednesday.

Edward Aldridge, undersecretary of Acquisitions and Technology, told reporters that the Pentagon is developing a prototype database to seek "patterns indicative of terrorist activity." Aldridge said the database would collect and use software to analyze consumer purchases in hopes of catching terrorists before it's too late.

"The bottom line is this is an important research project to determine the feasibility of using certain transactions and events to discover and respond to terrorists before they act," he said.

Aldridge said the database, which he called another "tool" in the war on terror, would look for telltale signs of suspicious consumer behavior.

Examples he cited were: sudden and large cash withdrawals, one-way air or rail travel, rental car transactions and purchases of firearms, chemicals or agents that could be used to produce biological or chemical weapons.

It would also combine consumer information with visa records, passports, arrest records or reports of suspicious activity given to law enforcement or intelligence services.

The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency is home to the Pentagon's brightest thinkers -- the ones who built the Internet. DARPA will be in charge of trying to make the system work technically.

Rear Adm. John Poindexter, former national security adviser to President Reagan, is developing the database under the Total Information Awareness Program. Poindexter was convicted on five counts of misleading Congress and making false statements during the Iran-Contra investigation. Those convictions were later overturned, but critics note that his is a dubious resume for someone entrusted with so sensitive a task.

Aldridge said Poindexter will only "develop the tool, he will not be exercising the tool." He said Poindexter brought the database idea to the Pentagon and persuaded Aldridge and others to pursue it.

"John has a real passion for this project," Aldridge said.

TIAF's office logo is now one eye scanning the globe. The translation of the Latin motto: knowledge is power. Some say, possibly too much power. "What this is talking about is making us a nation of suspects and I am sorry, the United States citizens should not have to live in fear of their own government and that is exactly what this is going to turn out to be," said Chuck Pena, senior defense policy analyst at the Cato Institute.

Pena and others say the database is an even greater violation of privacy rights than Attorney General John Ashhahahahaha's nixed proposal to turn postal workers and delivery men into government tipsters. No matter what protections Congress requires, Pena fears a database big enough and nimble enough to track the entire nation's spending habits is ripe for abuse.

"I don't think once you put something like this in place, you can ever create enough checks and balances and oversight," Pena said.

But proponents say big business already has access to most of this data, but don't do anything with it to fight terrorism.

"I find it somewhat counter intuitive that people are not concerned that telemarketers and insurance companies can acquire this data but feel tremendous trepidation if a government ventures into this arena. To me it just smacks of paranoia," said David Rivkin, an attorney for Baker & Hostetler LLP.

The database is not yet ready and Aldridge said it will not be available for several years. Fake consumer data will be used in development of the database, he said.

When it's ready, Aldridge said individual privacy rights will be protected. But he could not explain how the data would be accessed. In some cases, specific warrants would give law enforcement agencies access, he said. But in other cases the database might flag suspicious activity absent a specific request or warrant, and that suspicious activity could well be relayed to law enforcement or intelligence agencies.

"I don't know what the scope of this is going to be," Aldridge said. "We are in a war on terrorism. We are trying to find out if this technology can work."

xanx · 11-21-2002, 02:24 AM

Yea it sucks to be tracked but you really think the goverment cares if I whip out my mastercard and join an adult site...? I really don't see it being the end of the industry

frankfortuna · 11-21-2002, 02:25 AM

This is truly frightening. Although I am a republican, I disagree with this wholeheartedly.

MrPopup · 11-21-2002, 02:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by xanx
Yea it sucks to be tracked but you really think the goverment cares if I whip out my mastercard and join an adult site...? I really don't see it being the end of the industry

The government doesn't care dude...the consumer will...the perceived anonymity is lost when data is shared between TWO different sources.

Sunshine McGillicutty · 11-21-2002, 02:30 AM

mental note: buy rockwool, nutrients and high pressure sodium bulbs with cash next time.

ColKurtz · 11-21-2002, 02:33 AM

Personally, I dont have a huge problem with it if its just used to red flag terroist type activity. But until the borders are secured and INS is reformed, this country will be less safe.

I've said this before, but the world is not heading to a good place. Its only a matter of time before there is a terroist attack in the usa that kills 50,000 + people. Once that happens, life will never be the same.

These radical muslims are gonna grow and grow in number and try to outdo themself.

Hitting them as hard as fucking possible in the next few years, can save thousands of lives down the road.

MrPopup · 11-21-2002, 02:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ColKurtz
These radical muslims are gonna grow and grow in number and try to outdo themself.

and you'll be equally to blame for having such an ignorant thought process.

Americans...blinded by hate, ignorance, and the media.

ColKurtz · 11-21-2002, 02:42 AM

Wake up and smell the coffee. They already killed 3,000 and are threatening new attacks. Plus other forgotten attacks like on the african embassies, the US Cole, and Bali.

Sure theres always been anti-american sentiment. But talking about it and acting on it are two differnt things. And they are acting on it.

If you had your way, communist ussr would be alive and strong.

ONS · 11-21-2002, 02:49 AM

BIG BROTHER is looking to get a jump start on his population control agenda.

DarkJedi · 11-21-2002, 02:50 AM

i dont see how joining a porn site qualifies as "suspicious consumer behavior."

LiveDose · 11-21-2002, 02:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrPopup
THANK YOU FOR VOTING REPUBLICAN.

You're welcome. Anytime...

KRL · 11-21-2002, 03:41 AM

Even if this does get implemented all its really doing is centralizing data that is already being collected on everyone.

Plus with 10s of billions of transactions who would be able to really sit down and look through them all.

Pornwolf · 11-21-2002, 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
Even if this does get implemented all its really doing is centralizing data that is already being collected on everyone.

Plus with 10s of billions of transactions who would be able to really sit down and look through them all.

They won't have to. It will be as easy as finding your favorite bangbus episode using a google search.

Sambuka · 11-21-2002, 04:39 AM

The fact that ANY of you are in this business can call yourself a "republican" is purely FUCKING INSANE. Just whip out your bible and go thump some people cause thats all the Republicans are, there justa bunch of Church loving fanatics who want to take away as much privacy and free speach as they can before they get kicked out again.

Sammy

Sambuka · 11-21-2002, 04:48 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ColKurtz
[B]Personally, I dont have a huge problem with it if its just used to red flag terroist type activity.

Right so things like this will show up on there screens.

1. $10,000 purchase of 787 jump jet training
2. $50 razor blades
3. $200 Knifes & hunting accessories
4. $500 TNT from a mining site
5. $20 Terriorists handbook bought over the net
6. $350 Custom made shoe bomb
7. $2000 Flight back to afganistan.
8. $70,000 homemade anthrax.

Sammy

DjSap · 11-21-2002, 04:55 AM

stupid idea...if you are going to do this then do it secretly...what the people don't know wont hurt them, right now people will feel that their privacy is invaded...

plus now that it's in the open muhammed will buy a weapon and his friend mustafa will buy the bullets and they won't be flagged...terrorists aren't dumb...

Muff · 11-21-2002, 05:06 AM

I dont think it has anything to do with terrorism at all.

More of a way to gather overall information about peoples spending habits. Almost like the nelson ratings. Except for consumer spending.

Do you think a system like this could have prevented 9-11? I highly doubt it!

Muff · 11-21-2002, 05:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DjSap
stupid idea...if you are going to do this then do it secretly...what the people don't know wont hurt them, right now people will feel that their privacy is invaded...

plus now that it's in the open muhammed will buy a weapon and his friend mustafa will buy the bullets and they won't be flagged...terrorists aren't dumb...

And both muhammed and mustafa will pay cash to some joe on the street.

DjSap · 11-21-2002, 05:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Muff
Do you think a system like this could have prevented 9-11? I highly doubt it!

Maybe, don't really know what the terrorists bought...

But like I said, if you are going to do this then do is secretcly, it would be like announcing that you are tapping a phone and then expecting the person to talk about his criminal activities...

Brujah · 11-21-2002, 05:44 AM

You mean.. all those conspiracy theories and MassiveCock's posts are TRUE ?!

12clicks · 11-21-2002, 07:40 AM

I always vote republican and I always laugh at idiots.

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

andi_germany · 11-21-2002, 07:48 AM

Legislation like this will only result in innocent people getting spied on and using the data to force regulation into effect that have nothing to do with preventing terrorist acts. Do you really think a terrorist is discouraged by not beeing able to use his credit card?
If I see the stuff that the US government is forcing on their citizen I have to say the terrorist did already win. They forced a changed of your lifestyle on you and its sad that the government actively works this angle.

Everyone should read Orwells 1984 and think about what is about to come.

Birdie · 11-21-2002, 08:12 AM

I for one will sue the fuck out of them for violating my right for privacy, republican or democrat is not an issue.

what I do with MY fucking money is MY fucking business. I earn it I spend it the way I want PERIOD.

FUCk all that dumb shit. *cutting up my credit cards now*

If things swing that way then the US is no different than Osama or hussain for trying to control there citizens

This country is so fucked up, everything you buy in stores already is fucking made in china, go figure.

made in china shoes made in china coats, give me a fucking break if they want to protect us make all the shit here and quite paying for cheap labor.

Gawd don't get me started that shit pisses me off, and now this. I'll just have to VOICE my rights publicly if I have to

farbie · 11-21-2002, 08:19 AM

The collecting of the info may seem benign on it's own, but with Poindexter heading it up, and secret courts and review boards approving the project after other panels turn it down, it's only a matter of time before the info gets abused.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely, and the US Government is quickly grabbing absolute power.

farbie

EscortBiz · 11-21-2002, 08:23 AM

the above is bullshit no such write up

farbie · 11-21-2002, 08:27 AM

Not true, it was in the NY Times recently.

farbie

UncleJimmy · 11-21-2002, 08:29 AM

What's the source of that article??

AbeFroman · 11-21-2002, 08:43 AM

http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/4570713.htm

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationwo...onalnews-print

AbeFroman · 11-21-2002, 08:43 AM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2002Nov21.html

Honeyslut · 11-21-2002, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks
I always vote republican and I always laugh at idiots.

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Yeah, and if the former president would have done his job instead of playing with his Monica , Bush would not have to be cleaning up the mess .

jimmyf · 11-21-2002, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by farbie
The collecting of the info may seem benign on it's own, but with Poindexter heading it up, and secret courts and review boards approving the project after other panels turn it down, it's only a matter of time before the info gets abused.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely, and the US Government is quickly grabbing absolute power.

farbie

You post is the only 1 that I think is 100% on the mark. And ****Poindexter**** should not be appointed as dog catcher. And *ABUSED* yes. But it will be years before the horror story's come out.

directfiesta · 11-21-2002, 09:02 AM

Privacy Policy example:

-All personnal information for joigning "igotfuckeduptheass.com" will only be shared with the credit card biller and the GOVERNMENT OF UNITED STATES.-

BTW, there was nobody else in the US than POINTDEXTER ???? He was the "brain" of a coverup, lying bluntly to all the US population and the rest of the world.

At that time, it was to combat the very dangerous Nicaragua communists and keep in place the US sponsored puppet Somoza; these people stopped at nothing to reach their goal: drug dealing, money laundering, torture, killing, political assasination....

I really miss Bill ....

ronaldo · 11-21-2002, 09:05 AM

I guess the porn shops on the corner may as well shut their doors now too.

Not worried about this in the least.

Living in Canada, this is gonna lead our commie government to follow suit only they'll probably be MORE vigilant about it. They already want our isp's to track the websites we visit. Big deal.

I'm not a terrorist and I don't deal in kiddie porn. So track everything you want to about me.

jimmyf · 11-21-2002, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by directfiesta
Privacy Policy example:

-All personnal information for joigning "igotfuckeduptheass.com" will only be shared with the credit card biller and the GOVERNMENT OF UNITED STATES.-

BTW, there was nobody else in the US than POINTDEXTER ???? He was the "brain" of a coverup, lying bluntly to all the US population and the rest of the world.

At that time, it was to combat the very dangerous Nicaragua communists and keep in place the US sponsored puppet Somoza; these people stopped at nothing to reach their goal: drug dealing, money laundering, torture, killing, political assasination....

I really miss Bill ....

I god dam sure don't miss Bill, but they could have found someone better than POINTDEXTER without looking very hard.

Brujah · 11-21-2002, 09:10 AM

Voting strictly Republican is just lazy and stupid.
You should vote for the best candidate, and it may not always be the Republican one. That loyal to the party bullshit just shows your lack of intelligence.

MrPopup · 11-21-2002, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ronaldo
I'm not a terrorist and I don't deal in kiddie porn. So track everything you want to about me.

I stand corrected....Canadians also can be blinded by ignorance.

SykkBoy · 11-21-2002, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Honeyslut

Yeah, and if the former president would have done his job instead of playing with his Monica , Bush would not have to be cleaning up the mess .

Well if your God Ronald Reagan hadn't been selling fucking arms to the Contras and if Bush Sr. had finished the job with Sadam Hussein the first time.......

Pleasurepays · 11-21-2002, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brujah
Voting strictly Republican is just lazy and stupid.
You should vote for the best candidate, and it may not always be the Republican one. That loyal to the party bullshit just shows your lack of intelligence.

exactly! and that describes 90% of voters.

easy answers
easy decisions

someone else has already thought through every issue for them
so they dont have to.

ChrisH · 11-21-2002, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Honeyslut

Yeah, and if the former president would have done his job instead of playing with his Monica , Bush would not have to be cleaning up the mess .

One could argue that if the Republicans didn't chase him through DC for 8 years and expend 1000's of FBI man hours we might not have missed this.

Financial info has been used for the last 10 years to gain info on people. It just hasn't been put under one roof before. I don't like it one bit. But it's not the end of the world as we know it.

12clicks · 11-21-2002, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brujah
Voting strictly Republican is just lazy and stupid.
You should vote for the best candidate, and it may not always be the Republican one. That loyal to the party bullshit just shows your lack of intelligence.

being tricked into thinking the democratic candidate is "the best candidate" just shows your lack of intelligence.

typical but still, sad.

cat · 11-21-2002, 11:38 AM

i've told you before , move your ass to europe
(preferable holland)

ChrisH · 11-21-2002, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cat
i've told you before , move your ass to europe
(preferable holland)

playa · 11-21-2002, 11:42 AM

i am pretty much sure that the government has access to this info for years now,,,

all they need is a warrant companies will give out that info,
nothing has changed just another big government organizations thats costing tax payers billions

MrPopup · 11-21-2002, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks

being tricked into thinking the democratic candidate is "the best candidate" just shows your lack of intelligence.

typical but still, sad.

Yes...and the fact that nobody realizes there is NO difference between dems and repubs is the worst thing to happen to your country.

What makes me ANGRIEST is the apathy of the average citizen (Canada too) when it comes to voting. LAZY sums it up.....

"Duh....I read it in the paper so it must be true"

ChrisH · 11-21-2002, 11:51 AM

You really think there is no difference between a Dem and a Republican?

Most of your posts are amusing, but that is the funniest thing you have said in a while.

12clicks · 11-21-2002, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cat
i've told you before , move your ass to europe
(preferable holland)

as long as you don't mind the odd subjugation

http://www.thehollandring.com/ww2.htm

12clicks · 11-21-2002, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrPopup

Yes...and the fact that nobody realizes there is NO difference between dems and repubs is the worst thing to happen to your country.

the fact that canadians are clueless about the US but spout off anyway is the worst thing to happen to your country.

Quote:

Originally posted by MrPopup
What makes me ANGRIEST is the apathy of the average citizen (Canada too) when it comes to voting. LAZY sums it up.....

"Duh....I read it in the paper so it must be true"

Is that what Canadians do?
I don't know anyone that votes republican who does that here in the US

Rictor · 11-21-2002, 12:02 PM

When I was a young stupid kid I didn't know any better and I voted Republican.

When I was an educated college guy I voted Democrat.

Now that I have the wisdom that comes with life experience I don't fucking bother to vote for any of those idiots.

Ludedude · 11-21-2002, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks
I always vote republican and I always laugh at idiots.

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

That's perfect since that's what your programm...er...handlers....urm...leaders want you to do. You're just a sheep to them. Congratulations! Some of my friends are staunch republicans/conservatives and they agree that this latest round of bullshit is way out of line. Oh well, you fuckers should have looked at the big picture before putting the Reagan v2.0 puppets back into office.

PaulSweet · 11-21-2002, 12:47 PM

Could you post a link to the where the article is published online???

11-21-2002, 02:21 AM	#1
MrPopup Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: on the internet Posts: 3,783	Pentagon to Track American Consumer Purchases: REPUBLICANS JUST KILLED YOUR BUSINESS THANK YOU FOR VOTING REPUBLICAN. THE IMPLICATIONS OF THIS ARE BEYOND COMPREHENSION. ...and for those of you who thought VISA over-regulation was not enough to get you out of the business....looks like you better sell your domains while you can stilll con people into thinking this industry has a future. ************************************ Pentagon to Track American Consumer Purchases** WASHINGTON ? A massive database that the government will use to monitor every purchase made by every American citizen is a necessary tool in the war on terror, the Pentagon said Wednesday. Edward Aldridge, undersecretary of Acquisitions and Technology, told reporters that the Pentagon is developing a prototype database to seek "patterns indicative of terrorist activity." Aldridge said the database would collect and use software to analyze consumer purchases in hopes of catching terrorists before it's too late. "The bottom line is this is an important research project to determine the feasibility of using certain transactions and events to discover and respond to terrorists before they act," he said. Aldridge said the database, which he called another "tool" in the war on terror, would look for telltale signs of suspicious consumer behavior. Examples he cited were: sudden and large cash withdrawals, one-way air or rail travel, rental car transactions and purchases of firearms, chemicals or agents that could be used to produce biological or chemical weapons. It would also combine consumer information with visa records, passports, arrest records or reports of suspicious activity given to law enforcement or intelligence services. The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency is home to the Pentagon's brightest thinkers -- the ones who built the Internet. DARPA will be in charge of trying to make the system work technically. Rear Adm. John Poindexter, former national security adviser to President Reagan, is developing the database under the Total Information Awareness Program. Poindexter was convicted on five counts of misleading Congress and making false statements during the Iran-Contra investigation. Those convictions were later overturned, but critics note that his is a dubious resume for someone entrusted with so sensitive a task. Aldridge said Poindexter will only "develop the tool, he will not be exercising the tool." He said Poindexter brought the database idea to the Pentagon and persuaded Aldridge and others to pursue it. "John has a real passion for this project," Aldridge said. TIAF's office logo is now one eye scanning the globe. The translation of the Latin motto: knowledge is power. Some say, possibly too much power. "What this is talking about is making us a nation of suspects and I am sorry, the United States citizens should not have to live in fear of their own government and that is exactly what this is going to turn out to be," said Chuck Pena, senior defense policy analyst at the Cato Institute. Pena and others say the database is an even greater violation of privacy rights than Attorney General John Ashhahahahaha's nixed proposal to turn postal workers and delivery men into government tipsters. No matter what protections Congress requires, Pena fears a database big enough and nimble enough to track the entire nation's spending habits is ripe for abuse. "I don't think once you put something like this in place, you can ever create enough checks and balances and oversight," Pena said. But proponents say big business already has access to most of this data, but don't do anything with it to fight terrorism. "I find it somewhat counter intuitive that people are not concerned that telemarketers and insurance companies can acquire this data but feel tremendous trepidation if a government ventures into this arena. To me it just smacks of paranoia," said David Rivkin, an attorney for Baker & Hostetler LLP. The database is not yet ready and Aldridge said it will not be available for several years. Fake consumer data will be used in development of the database, he said. When it's ready, Aldridge said individual privacy rights will be protected. But he could not explain how the data would be accessed. In some cases, specific warrants would give law enforcement agencies access, he said. But in other cases the database might flag suspicious activity absent a specific request or warrant, and that suspicious activity could well be relayed to law enforcement or intelligence agencies. "I don't know what the scope of this is going to be," Aldridge said. "We are in a war on terrorism. We are trying to find out if this technology can work." __________________ <table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="3" border="1" bgcolor="#008000"><tr><td><font size=3>Gone</font></td></tr></table>

11-21-2002, 02:33 AM	#6
ColKurtz So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Cambodia Posts: 596	Personally, I dont have a huge problem with it if its just used to red flag terroist type activity. But until the borders are secured and INS is reformed, this country will be less safe. I've said this before, but the world is not heading to a good place. Its only a matter of time before there is a terroist attack in the usa that kills 50,000 + people. Once that happens, life will never be the same. These radical muslims are gonna grow and grow in number and try to outdo themself. Hitting them as hard as fucking possible in the next few years, can save thousands of lives down the road. Last edited by ColKurtz; 11-21-2002 at 02:34 AM..

11-21-2002, 05:44 AM	#20
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	You mean.. all those conspiracy theories and MassiveCock's posts are TRUE ?! __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

11-21-2002, 07:40 AM	#21
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,779	I always vote republican and I always laugh at idiots. hahahahahahahahahahahahaha __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

11-21-2002, 08:12 AM	#23
Birdie Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 39	I for one will sue the fuck out of them for violating my right for privacy, republican or democrat is not an issue. what I do with MY fucking money is MY fucking business. I earn it I spend it the way I want PERIOD. FUCk all that dumb shit. cutting up my credit cards now If things swing that way then the US is no different than Osama or hussain for trying to control there citizens This country is so fucked up, everything you buy in stores already is fucking made in china, go figure. made in china shoes made in china coats, give me a fucking break if they want to protect us make all the shit here and quite paying for cheap labor. Gawd don't get me started that shit pisses me off, and now this. I'll just have to VOICE my rights publicly if I have to __________________ The Little Bird Speaks!! Now Listen!!

11-21-2002, 02:24 AM	#2
xanx Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 3,711	Yea it sucks to be tracked but you really think the goverment cares if I whip out my mastercard and join an adult site...? I really don't see it being the end of the industry

11-21-2002, 02:25 AM	#3
frankfortuna Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,504	This is truly frightening. Although I am a republican, I disagree with this wholeheartedly.

11-21-2002, 02:30 AM	#5
Sunshine McGillicutty So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: California Posts: 475	mental note: buy rockwool, nutrients and high pressure sodium bulbs with cash next time.

11-21-2002, 02:42 AM	#8
ColKurtz So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Cambodia Posts: 596	Wake up and smell the coffee. They already killed 3,000 and are threatening new attacks. Plus other forgotten attacks like on the african embassies, the US Cole, and Bali. Sure theres always been anti-american sentiment. But talking about it and acting on it are two differnt things. And they are acting on it. If you had your way, communist ussr would be alive and strong.

11-21-2002, 02:49 AM	#9
ONS Registered User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Sparta Posts: 204	BIG BROTHER is looking to get a jump start on his population control agenda.

11-21-2002, 02:50 AM	#10
DarkJedi No Refunds Issued. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: GFY Posts: 28,300	i dont see how joining a porn site qualifies as "suspicious consumer behavior."

11-21-2002, 03:41 AM	#12
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	Even if this does get implemented all its really doing is centralizing data that is already being collected on everyone. Plus with 10s of billions of transactions who would be able to really sit down and look through them all.

11-21-2002, 04:39 AM	#14
Sambuka Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: - Posts: 500	The fact that ANY of you are in this business can call yourself a "republican" is purely FUCKING INSANE. Just whip out your bible and go thump some people cause thats all the Republicans are, there justa bunch of Church loving fanatics who want to take away as much privacy and free speach as they can before they get kicked out again. Sammy

11-21-2002, 04:48 AM	#15
Sambuka Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: - Posts: 500	[QUOTE]Originally posted by ColKurtz [B]Personally, I dont have a huge problem with it if its just used to red flag terroist type activity. Right so things like this will show up on there screens. 1. $10,000 purchase of 787 jump jet training 2. $50 razor blades 3. $200 Knifes & hunting accessories 4. $500 TNT from a mining site 5. $20 Terriorists handbook bought over the net 6. $350 Custom made shoe bomb 7. $2000 Flight back to afganistan. 8. $70,000 homemade anthrax. Sammy

11-21-2002, 04:55 AM	#16
DjSap Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,869	stupid idea...if you are going to do this then do it secretly...what the people don't know wont hurt them, right now people will feel that their privacy is invaded... plus now that it's in the open muhammed will buy a weapon and his friend mustafa will buy the bullets and they won't be flagged...terrorists aren't dumb...

11-21-2002, 05:06 AM	#17
Muff Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,782	I dont think it has anything to do with terrorism at all. More of a way to gather overall information about peoples spending habits. Almost like the nelson ratings. Except for consumer spending. Do you think a system like this could have prevented 9-11? I highly doubt it!

11-21-2002, 07:48 AM	#22
andi_germany Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 768	Legislation like this will only result in innocent people getting spied on and using the data to force regulation into effect that have nothing to do with preventing terrorist acts. Do you really think a terrorist is discouraged by not beeing able to use his credit card? If I see the stuff that the US government is forcing on their citizen I have to say the terrorist did already win. They forced a changed of your lifestyle on you and its sad that the government actively works this angle. Everyone should read Orwells 1984 and think about what is about to come.

11-21-2002, 08:19 AM	#24
farbie Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 131	The collecting of the info may seem benign on it's own, but with Poindexter heading it up, and secret courts and review boards approving the project after other panels turn it down, it's only a matter of time before the info gets abused. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, and the US Government is quickly grabbing absolute power. farbie

11-21-2002, 08:23 AM	#25
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11-21-2002, 08:27 AM	#26
farbie Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 131	Not true, it was in the NY Times recently. farbie

11-21-2002, 08:29 AM	#27
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11-21-2002, 08:43 AM	#28
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11-21-2002, 09:02 AM	#32
directfiesta Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Punta Cana, DR Posts: 29,583	Privacy Policy example: -All personnal information for joigning "igotfuckeduptheass.com" will only be shared with the credit card biller and the GOVERNMENT OF UNITED STATES.- BTW, there was nobody else in the US than POINTDEXTER ???? He was the "brain" of a coverup, lying bluntly to all the US population and the rest of the world. At that time, it was to combat the very dangerous Nicaragua communists and keep in place the US sponsored puppet Somoza; these people stopped at nothing to reach their goal: drug dealing, money laundering, torture, killing, political assasination.... I really miss Bill ....

11-21-2002, 09:05 AM	#33
ronaldo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: ICQ#: 272000271 Posts: 5,475	I guess the porn shops on the corner may as well shut their doors now too. Not worried about this in the least. Living in Canada, this is gonna lead our commie government to follow suit only they'll probably be MORE vigilant about it. They already want our isp's to track the websites we visit. Big deal. I'm not a terrorist and I don't deal in kiddie porn. So track everything you want to about me.

11-21-2002, 09:10 AM	#35
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	Voting strictly Republican is just lazy and stupid. You should vote for the best candidate, and it may not always be the Republican one. That loyal to the party bullshit just shows your lack of intelligence. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

11-21-2002, 11:38 AM	#41
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11-21-2002, 11:42 AM	#43
playa Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: atlanta, GA Posts: 6,432	i am pretty much sure that the government has access to this info for years now,,, all they need is a warrant companies will give out that info, nothing has changed just another big government organizations thats costing tax payers billions

11-21-2002, 11:51 AM	#45
ChrisH Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: New York Posts: 1,355	You really think there is no difference between a Dem and a Republican? Most of your posts are amusing, but that is the funniest thing you have said in a while.

11-21-2002, 12:02 PM	#48
Rictor Old Timer Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 12,208	When I was a young stupid kid I didn't know any better and I voted Republican. When I was an educated college guy I voted Democrat. Now that I have the wisdom that comes with life experience I don't fucking bother to vote for any of those idiots.

11-21-2002, 12:47 PM	#50
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