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Old 05-05-2012, 05:29 PM   #1
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Own a paysite vs. promoting one!

Can you really make more cash by promoting and give up 50%?
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Old 05-05-2012, 06:20 PM   #2
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If you own a paysite, you give up 50% to your affiliates. If you are an affiliate, you only get 50%.

You make the most money, I think, by doing both. If you own paysites and only promote your own stuff, that is not only kind of not nice, but you are leaving money on the table.
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Old 05-05-2012, 06:49 PM   #3
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think of affiliate sales as being $ u wouldnt have made without the affiliate.. so free $
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Old 05-05-2012, 06:53 PM   #4
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If you own a site you can make money off of other people's hard work. As an affiliate you can only make money on your own efforts.

But, it's an investment, and even if you make the investment your sites may suck. You can literally be an affiliate without spending a dime.
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Old 05-05-2012, 07:04 PM   #5
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Owning your own site and shooting original content is infinitely more enjoyable (aside from the $$$ aspect) than merely promoting someone else's.

It comes down to your goals. Do you simply want to make some coin...or have some fun and enjoyment along the way. Sure, shoots can be a lot of work and headache at times, but I'd take that anyday over simple affiliate promotion.
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Old 05-05-2012, 07:41 PM   #6
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If you own a paysite, you give up 50% to your affiliates. If you are an affiliate, you only get 50%.

You make the most money, I think, by doing both. If you own paysites and only promote your own stuff, that is not only kind of not nice, but you are leaving money on the table.
Wow, your avatar is so nice.. Really...I just hope you are that person, because beautiful people gets what they want eventually.

On the other side, of my question, you are clueless, have you ever considered your own members, that you may have generated to your own program?

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Old 05-05-2012, 08:10 PM   #7
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One thing for sure, promoting programs that stop paying you sucks... have had a lot of that lately. I'm starting my own paysite just to know I'll be paid (as long as the biller doesn't go down...)
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Old 05-05-2012, 08:22 PM   #8
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Owning a paysite is much more profitable from my experience. You control all facets of the operation.

Organic traffic to your own paysite is... *huge*.

And if you do shoot your own content and enjoy it, well, another bonus.
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Old 05-05-2012, 09:11 PM   #9
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If you have to ask, you should be an affiliate
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Old 05-05-2012, 09:26 PM   #10
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If you own a site you can make money off of other people's hard work. As an affiliate you can only make money on your own efforts.

But, it's an investment, and even if you make the investment your sites may suck. You can literally be an affiliate without spending a dime.
A more more risk and reward owning, it sounds like. You could get rich paying lots of affiliates to drive traffic, or you could lose $10,000 you've invested.
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Old 05-05-2012, 11:07 PM   #11
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A more more risk and reward owning, it sounds like. You could get rich paying lots of affiliates to drive traffic, or you could lose $10,000 you've invested.
Not if you don't have $10,000 to start with!
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Old 05-05-2012, 11:58 PM   #12
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Investment required to be an affiliate = Very low.

Investment required to be an sponsor = High to very high.

Besides the different level in skills required to be a site owner, it needs up front money.
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Old 05-06-2012, 12:28 AM   #13
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Wow, your avatar is so nice.. Really...I just hope you are that person, because beautiful people gets what they want eventually.

On the other side, of my question, you are clueless, have you ever considered your own members, that you may have generated to your own program?

What part of you leave money on the table if you do not do both are you confused by?

Of course, my company has its own traffic which sells SpookyCash sites. Also upsell other sites as an affiliate. If your point is that SpookyCash gets 100% of the dough on direct sales, that is a silly point. The roughly 7,000 people who have promoted SpookyCash sites over the years have made it far bigger than would have been done without affiliates. I love my affiliates and I only wish that the current economy allowed more people to do affiliate work. I hope the programs I promote like what I do for them too.

So, I guess your main point is that you are turned on by the pic of me in my avatar, so you aren't getting enough blood flow to your brain, correct? If you have some actual useful business point you are just making opaquely, please feel free to clarify.
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Old 05-06-2012, 12:36 AM   #14
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Like you get to keep 100% anyway. Think of the time you can spend promoting by not designing/converting/emailing and all the other boring stuff.
You could ofcourse do both as well.
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Old 05-06-2012, 12:53 AM   #15
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If you own a site you can make money off of other people's hard work. As an affiliate you can only make money on your own efforts.

But, it's an investment, and even if you make the investment your sites may suck. You can literally be an affiliate without spending a dime.
As an affiliate on revshare we make money on other people's hard work too. If they dont put any effort in the site rebills wouldnt be there ;)
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Old 05-06-2012, 01:10 AM   #16
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Can you really make more cash by promoting and give up 50%?
Only you can determine the risk vs. reward. It's nowhere near as simple as your statement implies.
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Old 05-06-2012, 05:47 AM   #17
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If you are promoting your own paysite then all rebills will be yours! So I like to have my own paysite too.
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Old 05-06-2012, 11:49 AM   #18
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I prefer owning paysites but I also promote other sites in my Member's Area for some extra cash.
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Old 05-06-2012, 03:46 PM   #19
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yup- like Dave says, do both!

My own business model is that I haven't had to pay for content upfront, or pay to shoot my own and develop a library that way. I simply market other producers back catalogue content and pay them 50% of the sites net profits. So to that end, Pauls not quite right- you don't *NEED* to spend big to own a site and program.
Of course on my current business model, I'll never make a fortune, becasue I'll never keep a bigger slice of the pie, but then I didn't have any $$$ to put in to start with other than my own sweat equity. My next step (once I've cleared up the half-finished jobs) is to migrate to shooting my own content too, so if there's any investors reading, please feel free to drop me a line! 8)

So etik, If you've got no $$$ to put in, put effort in instead. It will pay off if you're good, and it won't if you suck.

rant/ramble over... off for a brew and m'bed
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Old 05-06-2012, 04:00 PM   #20
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Depends on the site you are promoting but if it is original, exclusive and expensive to produce like ours, 50% is a very good deal, without the costs of production, design and hosting.
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Old 05-06-2012, 04:59 PM   #21
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Less overhead and moving parts promoting than owning. Rather important
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