What is the Flash Alternative for cartoon animation? - GoFuckYourself.com

smutnut · 05-05-2012, 01:52 PM

I keep hearing this stuff about Flash becoming obsolete because of the iphone and ipad. I'm curious what programs compare to Flash as far as cartooning or animation goes? Especially programs that can import and work with layered vector files like illustrator and photoshop files raw.

candyflip · 05-05-2012, 02:36 PM

HTML5

http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/48-excellent-html5-demos/

barcodes · 05-05-2012, 02:43 PM

If its just an animation you can export it as a mov file then convert to html 5 formats.

You can do some stuff with html5 but it isnt perfect yet.
People are starting to make some cool things with it though already:
https://hacks.mozilla.org/2012/03/browserquest/

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/demos/

You can also animate in after effects using multiple layers in 3d space + cameras.

bronco67 · 05-05-2012, 03:03 PM

There was a program called Moho, but I think it now called Anime Studio.

http://anime.smithmicro.com/

kate27 · 05-05-2012, 05:24 PM

Very interesting thanks for sharing these.. I think flash will be fine for a long while on non-mobile at least

smutnut · 05-05-2012, 06:24 PM

Yeah, I mean this stuff is great but have any of you ever tried Flash for like South Park style stuff? It's like a no brainer if you understand adobe programs like Photoshop and Illustrator. So I will ask again or in case I didnt really ask the first time.

Do you all think Flash is dead in this department? Just curious

pornmasta · 05-05-2012, 06:30 PM

http://people.mozilla.com/~dolske/apng/demo.html

test with FF and IE to see the difference.
I'm getting tired of IE (even for flash it is worse than FF°

asdasd · 05-05-2012, 06:47 PM

Did you hear Steve Jobs died. Fucking stupid Syrian faggot.

pornmasta · 05-05-2012, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by asdasd

Did you hear Steve Jobs died. Fucking stupid Syrian faggot.

problem ?

pornmasta · 05-05-2012, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by smutnut

Do you all think Flash is dead in this department? Just curious

animated png ?
Not available on IE
html5 ?
Need a good editor to code it...

So, no...

barcodes · 05-05-2012, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by smutnut

Yeah, I mean this stuff is great but have any of you ever tried Flash for like South Park style stuff? It's like a no brainer if you understand adobe programs like Photoshop and Illustrator. So I will ask again or in case I didnt really ask the first time.

Do you all think Flash is dead in this department? Just curious

http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/edge/

asdasd · 05-05-2012, 07:11 PM

That edge looks like Flash's ide.

smutnut · 05-05-2012, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by asdasd

Flash is the equivalent of running http://www.jsdb.org/
and that loser got people paying for free bsd?
Talk about good vs evil.

You really don't think Flash is the best animation program that is compatible with other graphics programs to create the content you need? Nothing anyone posted here makes me think they are better than flash if you are using illustrator or photoshop and what else would or should you be using.

Curious as hell about this.

It doesn't really matter what you create the animation in to play it, but if you know photoshop and illustrator which most designers do, Flash is almost intuitive I think.

Just me I guess.

pornmasta · 05-05-2012, 07:20 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synfig ?

asdasd · 05-05-2012, 07:20 PM

Whatchu talking about

smutnut · 05-05-2012, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by asdasd

It's an api to active X. That's what these javascript focused people fail to understand.
With that said it's also an EMCA api, so it's a nod of support in their confused mac loving direction. Vector, animation, whatever, it's supreme.
They will simply need to allow conversion of .fla/.xfl > html/js to stay where macromedia put them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Gay

So what's your verdict? I get half of what you are saying, and I say from a creator's standpoint it's a dream come true for internet cartoon crap.

Do you see something beating it out that will be compatible with Illustrator and Photoshop or do you see something taking those programs out too?

Just curious

asdasd · 05-05-2012, 07:24 PM

Future Splash

Odds on longevity ?

They have a binary browser interface trusted and adopted, a true monopoly.

Go have a close look at Unity and tell me if you see an AMD in it. I don't.

barcodes · 05-05-2012, 07:26 PM

I never said I don't like flash. I love flash. Yeah its awesome but people with apple mobile products won't see them. You just have to...

Like I said before if it isnt interactive just export it as a movie then convert it to the diff html5 formats.
Or you can just make it with flash, if it isnt the main part of the site then fuck those guys amirite lol.

pornmasta · 05-05-2012, 07:28 PM

animated gif = 256 colors= sucks

asdasd · 05-05-2012, 07:32 PM

mobile users are poor. They are on the fucking bus. Think about it.

pornmasta · 05-05-2012, 07:42 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_graphics_editor

smutnut · 05-05-2012, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by barcodes

I never said I don't like flash. I love flash. Yeah its awesome but people with apple mobile products won't see them. You just have to...

Like I said before if it isnt interactive just export it as a movie then convert it to the diff html5 formats.
Or you can just make it with flash, if it isnt the main part of the site then fuck those guys amirite lol.

Yeah, see I heard that people with iphones and other apple shit are actually downloading plug ins to actually see flash. I mean what is their choice when some things are only flash? That's what made me ask this question actually, and what is apple hoping to accomplish by ostracizing flash creators? Are they trying to do the SONY proprietary thing?

asdasd · 05-05-2012, 07:48 PM

Steve Jobs personal vendetta over being involved in an oligopoly when he thought it was all his as a monopoly. Took his ball, went home, died.

pornmasta · 05-05-2012, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asdasd

Steve Jobs personal vendetta over being involved in an oligopoly when he thought it was all his as a monopoly. Took his ball, went home, died.

http://tumultco.com/hype/

smutnut · 05-05-2012, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asdasd

Steve Jobs personal vendetta over being involved in an oligopoly when he thought it was all his as a monopoly. Took his ball, went home, died.

LOL, so keep learning flash and actionscript or move onto another program? What's the verdict?

barcodes · 05-05-2012, 08:11 PM

I don't know about recently but you could set them up to view flash before. It was a huge pain in the ass though. I would say keep doing flash shit but maybe look into html5 just in case lol. I really don't think Flash is going anywhere anytime soon but it's good to be prepared anyway. nintendo.com, ford.com and others have flash as main parts of the site. if you visit thefwa.com you'll see flash is still very alive.

Just sayin it may be good to read up on it over time. I initially started giving you alternative options because that's what I thought you were looking for.

05-05-2012, 01:52 PM	#1
smutnut So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Babylon Posts: 5,889	What is the Flash Alternative for cartoon animation? I keep hearing this stuff about Flash becoming obsolete because of the iphone and ipad. I'm curious what programs compare to Flash as far as cartooning or animation goes? Especially programs that can import and work with layered vector files like illustrator and photoshop files raw.

05-05-2012, 02:36 PM	#2
candyflip Carpe Visio Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New York Posts: 43,052	HTML5 http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/48-excellent-html5-demos/ __________________ Spend you some brain. Email Me

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bronco67 Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 29,035	There was a program called Moho, but I think it now called Anime Studio. http://anime.smithmicro.com/ __________________

05-05-2012, 07:11 PM	#12
asdasd So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,225	That edge looks like Flash's ide. Last edited by asdasd; 05-05-2012 at 07:14 PM..

05-05-2012, 07:20 PM	#15
asdasd So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,225	Whatchu talking about Last edited by asdasd; 05-05-2012 at 07:25 PM..

05-05-2012, 02:43 PM	#3
barcodes Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Florida Posts: 2,040	If its just an animation you can export it as a mov file then convert to html 5 formats. You can do some stuff with html5 but it isnt perfect yet. People are starting to make some cool things with it though already: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2012/03/browserquest/ https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/demos/ You can also animate in after effects using multiple layers in 3d space + cameras.

05-05-2012, 05:24 PM	#5
kate27 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: City of Angels Posts: 55	Very interesting thanks for sharing these.. I think flash will be fine for a long while on non-mobile at least

05-05-2012, 06:24 PM	#6
smutnut So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Babylon Posts: 5,889	Yeah, I mean this stuff is great but have any of you ever tried Flash for like South Park style stuff? It's like a no brainer if you understand adobe programs like Photoshop and Illustrator. So I will ask again or in case I didnt really ask the first time. Do you all think Flash is dead in this department? Just curious

05-05-2012, 06:30 PM	#7
pornmasta Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 18,942	http://people.mozilla.com/~dolske/apng/demo.html test with FF and IE to see the difference. I'm getting tired of IE (even for flash it is worse than FF°

05-05-2012, 06:47 PM	#8
asdasd So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,225	Did you hear Steve Jobs died. Fucking stupid Syrian faggot.

05-05-2012, 07:24 PM	#17
asdasd So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,225	Future Splash Odds on longevity ? They have a binary browser interface trusted and adopted, a true monopoly. Go have a close look at Unity and tell me if you see an AMD in it. I don't. Last edited by asdasd; 05-05-2012 at 07:27 PM..

05-05-2012, 07:26 PM	#18
barcodes Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Florida Posts: 2,040	I never said I don't like flash. I love flash. Yeah its awesome but people with apple mobile products won't see them. You just have to... Like I said before if it isnt interactive just export it as a movie then convert it to the diff html5 formats. Or you can just make it with flash, if it isnt the main part of the site then fuck those guys amirite lol. Last edited by barcodes; 05-05-2012 at 07:29 PM..

05-05-2012, 07:28 PM	#19
pornmasta Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 18,942	animated gif = 256 colors= sucks

05-05-2012, 07:32 PM	#20
asdasd So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,225	mobile users are poor. They are on the fucking bus. Think about it. Last edited by asdasd; 05-05-2012 at 07:34 PM..

05-05-2012, 07:42 PM	#21
pornmasta Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 18,942	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_graphics_editor

05-05-2012, 07:48 PM	#23
asdasd So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,225	Steve Jobs personal vendetta over being involved in an oligopoly when he thought it was all his as a monopoly. Took his ball, went home, died.

05-05-2012, 08:11 PM	#26
barcodes Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Florida Posts: 2,040	I don't know about recently but you could set them up to view flash before. It was a huge pain in the ass though. I would say keep doing flash shit but maybe look into html5 just in case lol. I really don't think Flash is going anywhere anytime soon but it's good to be prepared anyway. nintendo.com, ford.com and others have flash as main parts of the site. if you visit thefwa.com you'll see flash is still very alive. Just sayin it may be good to read up on it over time. I initially started giving you alternative options because that's what I thought you were looking for.