Where you can retire for $1,200 a month - GoFuckYourself.com

Barefootsies · 05-12-2012, 09:39 AM

I recall a few GFY'er have tried/live there over the years...

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Panama qualifies as one of the best places in the world to think about retiring overseas for many reasons. Its location is at the hub of the Americas and the country has developed, near-first world infrastructure. The U.S. dollar is the currency, which makes relocating much easier for expat Americans. There are also international-standard medical facilities and many affordable options for health insurance.

Another reason Panama is appealing to retirees is that it offers up many distinct lifestyle options. There is urban life in Panama City, cooler mountain climates, and a number of beautiful and tempting beachfront choices. The trouble is that many of this country's top beach options have become discovered and, therefore, more expensive than the typical retiree on a budget can afford.

One important exception is Las Tablas, on the Azuero Peninsula. This is the first town of note along what is emerging as this country's Gold Coast. Other beaches are easier to access from Panama City, but these "city beaches" have gotten expensive. Panamanians like to be able to leave work on Friday afternoons and reach their places on the water by dinnertime, and they are willing to pay a premium for that privilege. Properties at these Panama City beach areas have appreciated in value over the past several years, and retirees may not find them worth the high housing prices.

It'll take you four hours to reach Las Tablas from downtown Panama City. The good news is that you can travel along a well-maintained highway door-to-door. Once you've made the drive, you are greeted by a charming and lively town center, a welcoming local population, and a long-established community of Panamanians and expats who savor their ultra-affordable seaside lifestyle.

You could join them on a budget of as little as $1,200 per month. Of course, you could always spend more, especially if you travel often to Panama City to enjoy the distractions of the big city. But if you'd be happy with a modest life, sticking close to home, passing your days fishing and swimming, and enjoying the company of your neighbors, Las Tablas could make a charming retirement spot.

At the heart of Las Tablas is the town square and the centuries-old Iglesia Santa Librada. Fanning out from this point are neighborhoods of modest, Panamanian-style houses. Each is painted a different bright color. Las Tableños favor pink, purple, and blue, making for a vivid landscape. Beyond these small houses, you pass a handful of cantinas and a large open area that is the site of outdoor discotecas during the Carnaval and New Year's celebrations. Just outside downtown Las Tablas are the turn-offs to the nearby beaches. These are the main attraction.

In Las Tablas, life alongside these Pacific beaches is laid-back, friendly, welcoming, and safe. It can also be almost unbelievably affordable, largely due to low housing costs. You could spend less for rent than on groceries each month. It is possible to find a small but comfortable two-bedroom house within walking distance of the beach available for rent for as little as $400 per month. You won't likely find rental bargains like this on the Internet or working with a real estate agent, but searching via word-of-mouth, you can.

The quality of life doesn't reflect the low costs. Las Tablas is a quintessential small town, that is compact enough that you can get around it on foot. You could walk anywhere within the town limits in about a half-hour. Many local residents make their living as fishermen, and their lives revolve around the sea, beach barbeques, and fish fries.

As development along this country's Pacific coast continues, this stretch of coastline has increasing levels of amenities. The cellular phone and Internet services are reliable, and cable TV is available.

Known as the birthplace of Panama's most important folkloric traditions, no part of the country is more authentically Panamanian than Las Tablas. Dozens of street vendors have stands along the main street in front of Igelsia Santa Librada offering traditional woven hats, leather sandals, and polleras, the national dress of Panama. This white lacy dress, which is reserved for special occasions and festivals, is hand-embroidered with multicolored threads by women taught the skill by their mothers and grandmothers. Because it is handmade, a single dress can take nearly a year to complete.

Life in Las Tablas could best be described as slow, but that is the charm of this colonial city. Although some developed-world comforts are lacking, you could enjoy an interesting and comfortable retirement in this region of Panama on even a very modest budget.

BIG BUGS

MaDalton · 05-12-2012, 09:40 AM

no thanks

EddyTheDog · 05-12-2012, 09:51 AM

I have a thing about moving to Costa Rica as a long term plan - but I suppose Panama is another option now CR is getting more expensive every year.

I just don't see it as being very stable and 'a bit dangerous', but to be honest I have nothing to base that on.

I will do some research - Thanks!

geedub · 05-12-2012, 10:26 AM

1200/mo is not enough to live LIKE A GRINGO in Panama, Costa Rica, or even fucking Nicaragua.

johnnyloadproductions · 05-12-2012, 10:29 AM

A lot of people I know in their retirement age are getting second houses in these places located in equatorial areas.

DWB · 05-12-2012, 10:32 AM

Just about every story you will read online about living somewhere cheap is bullshit. What it means is you can live there LIKE A LOCAL for that amount. If you want to have a real life, a nice place, in a good area, it takes money. Yes, it's usually cheaper than where you're from, but living abroad for pennies on the dollar is usually a pipe dream.

Another thing these stupid articles never mention is how much you may pay for a Visa, real medical costs, the cost of paying double in some places because you're foreign, and so on. It's ALWAYS much more expensive than any of these articles ever lead on. Makes me wonder if the idiots who write them actually live abroad or not, or are they just some dirty back packer living in a hostel making extra money writing this crap.

But if you want to live like a local, yes, you can get by on whatever dreams they are selling in those stories.

BareBacked · 05-12-2012, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by geedub

1200/mo is not enough to live LIKE A GRINGO in Panama, Costa Rica, or even fucking Nicaragua.

Nicaragua yes depends on the area

VenusBlogger · 05-12-2012, 10:37 AM

PANAMA is the new CAYMAN ISLANDS...

Their Banking system is the new paradise.

Rochard · 05-12-2012, 11:12 AM

I know when we used to go down to Mexico for YP there was a bunch of Americans who lived down there... They could live dirt cheap and drove back across the border once a month to collect their checks.

AaronM · 05-12-2012, 11:21 AM

Here is a great resource for such things.

http://internationalliving.com

EddyTheDog · 05-12-2012, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Here is a great resource for such things.

http://internationalliving.com

The first story I read - http://internationalliving.com/2012/...ved-to-belize/

I love fishing and this almost reduced me to tears - Now I am moving to Belize - At least until I read another article...

mineistaken · 05-12-2012, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by geedub

1200/mo is not enough to live LIKE A GRINGO in Panama, Costa Rica, or even fucking Nicaragua.

Its enough to retire in half European countries, so definitely enough in Panama and almost any other South/Central American country

pimpware · 05-12-2012, 12:08 PM

EddyTheDog · 05-12-2012, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

Its enough to retire in half European countries, so definitely enough in Panama and almost any other South/Central American country

Thats true - The state pension in the UK is about 440 UKP - Thats about $700 and people do live on it.

You would get free health-care and possibly some benefits, but its very low.

geedub · 05-12-2012, 12:22 PM

Yea and those people live like shit. I live in Costa Rica for a few years, have been to Nicaragua, while you could live there on 1200 it would be foolish.

I have a friend here in San Jose, CR who pays 300 usd/mo for a small 2 bedroom apartment, it's a cockroach den and hot as fuck, if you guys WANT to live like that, have at it? I pay 600 for a tiny Tico as fuck style 3 bedroom, I have no security, crack heads and bums ring my doorbell nearly every day begging, and it came completely unfurnished so then you get to deal with non-1st world priced appliances and furniture costs which is a bitch as well. After utilities and food I would be fucked on 1200/mo and I have a hood rich Tico neighborhood, definitely not 100% gringo quality living by any means.

pornguy · 05-12-2012, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

Just about every story you will read online about living somewhere cheap is bullshit. What it means is you can live there LIKE A LOCAL for that amount. If you want to have a real life, a nice place, in a good area, it takes money. Yes, it's usually cheaper than where you're from, but living abroad for pennies on the dollar is usually a pipe dream.

Another thing these stupid articles never mention is how much you may pay for a Visa, real medical costs, the cost of paying double in some places because you're foreign, and so on. It's ALWAYS much more expensive than any of these articles ever lead on. Makes me wonder if the idiots who write them actually live abroad or not, or are they just some dirty back packer living in a hostel making extra money writing this crap.

But if you want to live like a local, yes, you can get by on whatever dreams they are selling in those stories.

Yep..

A nice house here will cost you 200k or so and up to about 500k. While beef is cheaper, other things like electronics and things cost almost 2 times the amount.

mineistaken · 05-12-2012, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by geedub

Yea and those people live like shit. I live in Costa Rica for a few years, have been to Nicaragua, while you could live there on 1200 it would be foolish.

I have a friend here in San Jose, CR who pays 300 usd/mo for a small 2 bedroom apartment, it's a cockroach den and hot as fuck, if you guys WANT to live like that, have at it? I pay 600 for a tiny Tico as fuck style 3 bedroom, I have no security, crack heads and bums ring my doorbell nearly every day begging, and it came completely unfurnished so then you get to deal with non-1st world priced appliances and furniture costs which is a bitch as well. After utilities and food I would be fucked on 1200/mo and I have a hood rich Tico neighborhood, definitely not 100% gringo quality living by any means.

I live in european country with almost twice higher GDP per capita (not most accurate, but some idea for cost of living) than costa rica or panama and I could live VERY GOOD with 1200$ per month.
I would suggest him move in here if he can not live good with 1200$..
Unless you are stupid enough to pay double prices as a foreigner or something like that.

mineistaken · 05-12-2012, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

Just about every story you will read online about living somewhere cheap is bullshit. What it means is you can live there LIKE A LOCAL for that amount.

Incorrect. 1200$ is more than twice avregare salary in Panama. So to live like a local you do not need more than 400-600$

DWB · 05-12-2012, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

Incorrect. 1200$ is more than twice avregare salary in Panama. So to live like a local you do not need more than 400-600$

You must be one of the people who write for those magazines. ;-)

Like I said, what they don't tell you is what you're going to pay for a visa, that you are going to pay double, sometimes triple, what the locals pay for just about everything, electronics will probably be at least double, some countries are 10x higher due to import tax, cars are often more too, you usually may pay more for for electric and internet bills, good medical may not be as cheap as you think it will be, and so on. That $1200 will be reduced to $600 faster than you know what hit you. Believe that. Yes, it's cheaper than where you may come from, but $1200 a month isn't shit in most countries unless you want to live with the bare minimum, which is what most of the locals do.

I'm sure there are some deals to be had and the longer you live in a place the cheaper it gets, but the dream of packing up and moving to some place cheap on just a little bit of money is a backpacker dream or for someone who is going to spend his time fishing and reading books, probably living in a not so safe part of town in a shitty apartment.

Now, say you move somewhere, buy a house and land outright, get your car and whatever else you need, THEN you could probably squeeze by on a minimal income and hope nothing goes wrong where you need more money. But to have a nice life you usually can't do it the other way around.

mineistaken · 05-12-2012, 01:56 PM

Like I said I know first hand that you can live GOOD on 1200$ a month in half of the Europe, and most of that half has higher cost of living than Panama or Costa rica.
Of course here you do not pay double or triple prices as a foreigner, you pay the same prices. One of the reasons to retire in cheaper parts of Europe rather than in some "wild" places.

Sly · 05-12-2012, 02:01 PM

Retiring cheap is a shitty goal.

Retiring well should be the target.

dons4512 · 05-12-2012, 02:20 PM

$1200/ month sounds cool...

www.wildmagnum.com

the Shemp · 05-12-2012, 03:23 PM

you can rent a place just down from me for $500.00 per month..
that leaves 700.00 for food and bug spray...

DWB · 05-12-2012, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

Like I said I know first hand that you can live GOOD on 1200$ a month in half of the Europe, and most of that half has higher cost of living than Panama or Costa rica.

Of course here you do not pay double or triple prices as a foreigner, you pay the same prices. One of the reasons to retire in cheaper parts of Europe rather than in some "wild" places.

Europe is mostly civilized and is not a retirement destination. Not sure why, but going to guess it's more difficult to get a retirement visa to stay in European countries. And then there is health care.

Where are you living a good life in EU for $1200? That is $300 dollars a week, which isn't much at all. Recent rates excluded, the dollar has not gone far in Europe for some time.

geedub · 05-12-2012, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

Incorrect. 1200$ is more than twice avregare salary in Panama. So to live like a local you do not need more than 400-600$

You can say the same about Costa Rica yet the younger people who speak English and possibly college graduates are making 900 - 2000/mo and they are just barely getting by themselves when they want to have things like apartments and/or a car.

The only way you're getting by in Latin America on 1200/mo is to live in a neighborhood you shouldn't, eat rice and beans every day and never have any fun. Some retirement that sounds like.

VenusBlogger · 05-12-2012, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pimpware

lol prison break is amazing...

how was the black guy boss in that prison? can't remember his name, it was a funny nickname..

ah yes now i remember, LECHERO in spanish it means "The MILK MAN"..

NaughtyRob · 05-12-2012, 04:08 PM

Fuck that, my plan is to buy a house in my hometown and retire there. You can get a nice house for like $20K with 1/3 acre.

TheSwed · 05-12-2012, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

Like I said I know first hand that you can live GOOD on 1200$ a month in half of the Europe, and most of that half has higher cost of living than Panama or Costa rica.
Of course here you do not pay double or triple prices as a foreigner, you pay the same prices. One of the reasons to retire in cheaper parts of Europe rather than in some "wild" places.

Name some of that coyntries please

madko · 05-12-2012, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSwed

Name some of that coyntries please

Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Greece (basically all eastern Europe)

DWB · 05-12-2012, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by NaughtyRob

Fuck that, my plan is to buy a house in my hometown and retire there. You can get a nice house for like $20K with 1/3 acre.

That is insanely cheap.

L-Pink · 05-12-2012, 05:04 PM

I can show you parts of sunny Tampa where you can live for $1,200 also but you won't catch me there.

L-Pink · 05-12-2012, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by NaughtyRob

Fuck that, my plan is to buy a house in my hometown and retire there. You can get a nice house for like $20K with 1/3 acre.

Where is that?

MaDalton · 05-12-2012, 05:08 PM

average income in CZ is about $1000, i know many who have less than that

Profits of Doom · 05-12-2012, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

I can show you parts of sunny Tampa where you can live for $1,200 also but you won't catch me there.

No shit, I was just in Clearwater a few weeks ago and $1200 will get you a lovely trailer and all the meth you can smoke...

NetHorse · 05-12-2012, 05:18 PM

This article might've been true, 5 years before everyone started doing it.

$5 submissions · 05-12-2012, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

Just about every story you will read online about living somewhere cheap is bullshit. What it means is you can live there LIKE A LOCAL for that amount. If you want to have a real life, a nice place, in a good area, it takes money. Yes, it's usually cheaper than where you're from, but living abroad for pennies on the dollar is usually a pipe dream.

This man speaks TRUTH

L-Pink · 05-12-2012, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Profits of Doom

No shit, I was just in Clearwater a few weeks ago and $1200 will get you a lovely trailer and all the meth you can smoke...

Feel free to stop by and borrow a hand gun next time you plan to visit that area.
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nekrom · 05-12-2012, 08:11 PM

China.

Forget the shitty mainland parts, move to the island of the south that belongs to China, but is an SEZ. Find it yourself I'm not telling you, fucked if I want hundreds of expats flooding the place heh.

$1200 USD per month is 7560RMB per month. You can live a very comfortable lifestyle here on that. I live here, married here, have a bricks and mortar business here as well as online.

The average monthly income, with two income earners is around 3000-4000 pm. They also have kids and other shit to deal with, extra expenses related to that, plus rent. So if you're single on $1200usd pm you're laughing. The more you make the better life style you enjoy of course applies.

Apartment rental:

2 bedroom, 1 tv room, 1 dining room, 1 kitchen, 1 bathroom/toilet, 1 balcony, gated community, ocean water front views, 2500RMB per month. Utilities (gas/water/power + parking fee) additional 300RMB pm. Total: 2800RMB pm.

Getting around:

Taxi: Flag fair 8RMB, 20mins drive around: 20-25RMB.
Bus: 1RMB. Sit on that fucker all day like a hobo, still only 1RMB.
Motorbike taxi: 6RMB.

Do what I did, buy an electric power bike/scooter thingo. Buy second hand, one time price, 2000RMB or less. Full battery recharge 1RMB. Takes 3 days to use up all the juice, re-charge and drive around like a boss again. Top speed 45 km/ph. Hard to do that in heavy traffic, so just use the footpaths like the locals do, fuck the police!

Food:

You can eat the most delicious, freshest food daily, cooked by mom/dad small shop front operations for cheap. 2 people can walk away bloated like a fat kid at MC Donalds for 30RMB. Or you got to a local fresh produce market and buy the same thing, but cook it yourself at home for 10-15RMb, so half price.

Pro tip: Get a wife, give her money, she will go out and do this for you. She also comes in handy with visas, see the next section.

You can also eat out at fancy ass western restaurants, top Chinese fine dinning, silver service and the price range is not much higher. Per person, 50-100RMB.

Visas:

Arrive on an L tourist visa. Get it extended max two more months. During that time get married (most simple as fuck, non effort process I've ever done in my life. Thailand for example is a cunt when dealing with visas), get a 1-2yr marriage visa, pay 800RMB per year/2. Sorted, easy as fuck. Carry on with your life.

Medical/Hospital:

No medicare, no safety net. User pays system. Private hospitals are shit, avoid like a 20RMB whore.

Stick to the government hospitals. If you are white, you are elevated to god tier. You will pay for it, but you will get all the western trained doctors, and not some janitor that is wearing a white lab coat. (Think I'm joking, I've seen it myself).

I got a nasty ass, puss infected, white goop dripping, throat infection. Went to public hospital, got diagnosed within 20mins, 5mins to pay for meds, all done under 30mins. It took me longer to park the bike, chain it up so some fuck don't knock it off and pay the parking management auntie 1RMB.

Internet: Slow compared to most first world countries, but I get 4mbps down and fuck all up, but it's good enough for me. Bring a VPN you will need one if you want to do facebook, youtube, white people things, oh and work on your adult shit.

For the people here that just do mainstream shit, (like me these days), you hardly need a vpn at all.)

Other great things about the place. 8 million locals, 300 expats, a non existent police system (you see them but they do fuck all) no road rules, no breath testing (if you drink and drive you are a fucking cunt though, think of others and their families before you get behind the wheel), no in your bedroom/life gov policies, no tax on world wide internet income (at this point in time), they love Australians, English & Americans are ok. If you are Russian, you are below a black person and they dislike those and if you are Japanese, you will be lynched in the streets.

600ml beers are 4RMB each, bbq mystery meat on most street corners after 10.30pm at night and the weather is tropical warm 11months of the year. No pollution/smog in the air and all round great living conditions. You can fuck whores till your dick falls off for 200RMB a pop or get wanked off during a relaxing massage for 100RMB. Or you can get married and fuck for free, but end up spending all your money on Taobao (Chinese Ebay) lolol.

Fap · 05-12-2012, 09:44 PM

not for me

garce · 05-12-2012, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Where is that?

In Panama...

You can live in Canada for $1,200 per month.

Get off the grid, build a small house a short drive from a small town (even most of the smallest towns have Canadian Tires, No Frills, Rona's, and WalMarts...), grow most of your own food... After an initial investment, you can live dirt cheap if you don't give a crap about useless technological luxuries (which are insanely overpriced in this country, anyway...)

I own my own house, but I could easily live by myself for $1,200 a month in Scarborough if it wasn't for my kids being in college and insane cell phone and cable TV bills. Shit, when I move I'll rent the house out for $1,200 a month and live for free. Its a small house...

My aunt lives just outside Campbellford, ON, owns our old family home, and her bills do not come anywhere near $1,200 a month (not including gas and insurance).

antdoin · 05-13-2012, 02:04 AM

Well in the Balkans most of the people earn average up to 300$ per month (countries that aren't in the EU) I don't think that we will hit average 1000$ per month in the next 30 years. So with those money you will live like a king here. For example most of the people in my town earn 150$ per month.

klinton · 05-13-2012, 02:25 AM

countries in Europe to live OK for 1200 usd per month:

Poland, Czech, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, whole former Yugoslavia, Ukraine, Turkey,Estonia, Latvia, Lotva, Belarus.

Still doable but without luxuries: Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece, Germany, France, UK, Holland, Austria.

klinton · 05-13-2012, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by garce

In Panama...

You can live in Canada for $1,200 per month.

Get off the grid, build a small house a short drive from a small town (even most of the smallest towns have Canadian Tires, No Frills, Rona's, and WalMarts...), grow most of your own food... After an initial investment, you can live dirt cheap if you don't give a crap about useless technological luxuries (which are insanely overpriced in this country, anyway...)

I own my own house, but I could easily live by myself for $1,200 a month in Scarborough if it wasn't for my kids being in college and insane cell phone and cable TV bills. Shit, when I move I'll rent the house out for $1,200 a month and live for free. Its a small house...

My aunt lives just outside Campbellford, ON, owns our old family home, and her bills do not come anywhere near $1,200 a month (not including gas and insurance).

exactly... but there are still people who can spend 1200 per week and still be "hungry"...so......;]

DWB · 05-13-2012, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by madko

Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Greece (basically all eastern Europe)

Basically all the places no one really wants to retire in.

Note I'm saying retire and not live. I wouldn't mind spending a year or two in Romania bagging hotties.

When you think about a place to retire, Eastern Europe doesn't really make the list. Many like to retire to places without winter. But out of those listed, which has no winter (or one that isn't harsh), affordable health care, and it's easy to get a long term visa?

Getting a visa is the ass kicker in many countries.

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Originally Posted by NetHorse

This article might've been true, 5 years before everyone started doing it.

You hit that on the head. Many articles are many years too late. By the time they make yahoo news, they are either played out or the prices have changed dramatically.

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Originally Posted by nekrom

China.

Forget the shitty mainland parts, move to the island of the south that belongs to China, but is an SEZ. Find it yourself I'm not telling you, fucked if I want hundreds of expats flooding the place heh.

Getting around:

Do what I did, buy an electric power bike/scooter thingo. Buy second hand, one time price, 2000RMB or less. Full battery recharge 1RMB. Takes 3 days to use up all the juice, re-charge and drive around like a boss again. Top speed 45 km/ph. Hard to do that in heavy traffic, so just use the footpaths like the locals do, fuck the police!

Medical/Hospital:

No medicare, no safety net. User pays system. Private hospitals are shit, avoid like a 20RMB whore.

Stick to the government hospitals. If you are white, you are elevated to god tier. You will pay for it, but you will get all the western trained doctors, and not some janitor that is wearing a white lab coat. (Think I'm joking, I've seen it myself).

Other great things about the place. 8 million locals, 300 expats, a non existent police system (you see them but they do fuck all) no road rules, no breath testing (if you drink and drive you are a fucking cunt though, think of others and their families before you get behind the wheel), no in your bedroom/life gov policies, no tax on world wide internet income (at this point in time), they love Australians, English & Americans are ok. If you are Russian, you are below a black person and they dislike those and if you are Japanese, you will be lynched in the streets.

Epic post. The janitor working in the hospital has me in tears, because I know it's true.

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Originally Posted by klinton

countries in Europe to live OK for 1200 usd per month:

Poland, Czech, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, whole former Yugoslavia, Ukraine, Turkey,Estonia, Latvia, Lotva, Belarus.

Still doable but without luxuries: Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece, Germany, France, UK, Holland, Austria.

Who wants to live without luxuries?

About the first group in the list, which of those are actually nice countries to retire in where you don't have brutally cold winters, the health care is affordable, and non citizens can get a long term visa?

Bjorn · 05-13-2012, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by klinton

countries in Europe to live OK for 1200 usd per month:

Poland, Czech, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, whole former Yugoslavia, Ukraine, Turkey,Estonia, Latvia, Lotva, Belarus.

Still doable but without luxuries: Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece, Germany, France, UK, Holland, Austria.

Ive lived in belarus 2 years, its not a place i would recommend move if you work with adult, i had to escape country cause of KGB... Also its a dictatorship country, people there with money get put in jail just to finance goverment through fines...

v4 media · 05-13-2012, 03:25 AM

You can live in Spain on that. The touristy bits of the south have got about 40% unemployment, so property is really cheap.

In the north in the mountains you can buy lovely stone houses with a few acres for 50k, only 20 minutes away from the big cities.

The Ghost · 05-13-2012, 03:44 AM

Echoed by others but the whole idea of retiring in some cheap magical land is bullshit. It would only work if you do NOTHING, have no health problems, buy no creature comforts of home, eat only the cheapest local food (i.e. same as only eating Top Ramen in the USA).

When they mention the "income" of locals, they fail to mention that often 4 or so people live in a single 20 sq meter studio apartment to make ends meet. So if you have 4 other retirees you'd like to bunk with, eating top ramen on the floor then have at it.

BJ · 05-13-2012, 03:54 AM

you are mostly retards, 1200 usd a month you are a broke loser, no matter where you are in the world. A scurge on society. Nobody or country wants you.

EddyTheDog · 05-13-2012, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by BJ

you are mostly retards, 1200 usd a month you are a broke loser, no matter where you are in the world. A scurge on society. Nobody or country wants you.

Why do you post shit like that - Do you think you sound cool?

You are the one that sounds slightly retarded or maybe about 14 years old.

So pathetic.....

Bjorn · 05-13-2012, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by BJ

you are mostly retards, 1200 usd a month you are a broke loser, no matter where you are in the world. A scurge on society. Nobody or country wants you.

lol, harsh

can live well in many countries for 1200 usd

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05-12-2012, 10:26 AM	#4
geedub Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: concrete jungle Posts: 3,489	1200/mo is not enough to live LIKE A GRINGO in Panama, Costa Rica, or even fucking Nicaragua. __________________ Reliable web host that actually cares, tell em geedub sent ya. Vacares

05-12-2012, 11:12 AM	#9
Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 73,969	I know when we used to go down to Mexico for YP there was a bunch of Americans who lived down there... They could live dirt cheap and drove back across the border once a month to collect their checks. __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

05-12-2012, 12:08 PM	#13
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05-12-2012, 12:22 PM	#15
geedub Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: concrete jungle Posts: 3,489	Yea and those people live like shit. I live in Costa Rica for a few years, have been to Nicaragua, while you could live there on 1200 it would be foolish. I have a friend here in San Jose, CR who pays 300 usd/mo for a small 2 bedroom apartment, it's a cockroach den and hot as fuck, if you guys WANT to live like that, have at it? I pay 600 for a tiny Tico as fuck style 3 bedroom, I have no security, crack heads and bums ring my doorbell nearly every day begging, and it came completely unfurnished so then you get to deal with non-1st world priced appliances and furniture costs which is a bitch as well. After utilities and food I would be fucked on 1200/mo and I have a hood rich Tico neighborhood, definitely not 100% gringo quality living by any means. __________________ Reliable web host that actually cares, tell em geedub sent ya. Vacares

05-12-2012, 09:51 AM	#3
EddyTheDog Just Doing My Own Thing Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: London, Spain, New Zealand, GFY - Not Croydon... Posts: 25,106	I have a thing about moving to Costa Rica as a long term plan - but I suppose Panama is another option now CR is getting more expensive every year. I just don't see it as being very stable and 'a bit dangerous', but to be honest I have nothing to base that on. I will do some research - Thanks!

05-12-2012, 10:29 AM	#5
johnnyloadproductions Account Shutdown Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Gone Posts: 3,611	A lot of people I know in their retirement age are getting second houses in these places located in equatorial areas.

05-12-2012, 10:32 AM	#6
DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	Just about every story you will read online about living somewhere cheap is bullshit. What it means is you can live there LIKE A LOCAL for that amount. If you want to have a real life, a nice place, in a good area, it takes money. Yes, it's usually cheaper than where you're from, but living abroad for pennies on the dollar is usually a pipe dream. Another thing these stupid articles never mention is how much you may pay for a Visa, real medical costs, the cost of paying double in some places because you're foreign, and so on. It's ALWAYS much more expensive than any of these articles ever lead on. Makes me wonder if the idiots who write them actually live abroad or not, or are they just some dirty back packer living in a hostel making extra money writing this crap. But if you want to live like a local, yes, you can get by on whatever dreams they are selling in those stories.

05-12-2012, 10:37 AM	#8
VenusBlogger So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,540	PANAMA is the new CAYMAN ISLANDS... Their Banking system is the new paradise.

05-12-2012, 11:21 AM	#10
AaronM Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: ┌∩┐ ◣_◢ ┌∩┐ Posts: 46,909	Here is a great resource for such things. http://internationalliving.com

05-12-2012, 01:56 PM	#20
mineistaken See signature :) Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ICQ 363 097 773 Posts: 29,656	Like I said I know first hand that you can live GOOD on 1200$ a month in half of the Europe, and most of that half has higher cost of living than Panama or Costa rica. Of course here you do not pay double or triple prices as a foreigner, you pay the same prices. One of the reasons to retire in cheaper parts of Europe rather than in some "wild" places.

05-12-2012, 02:01 PM	#21
Sly Let's do some business! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 31,327	Retiring cheap is a shitty goal. Retiring well should be the target. __________________ Vacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted Windows VPS now available Great for TSS, Nifty Stats, remote work, virtual assistants, etc. Click here for more details.

05-12-2012, 02:20 PM	#22
dons4512 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 40	$1200/ month sounds cool... www.wildmagnum.com

05-12-2012, 03:23 PM	#23
the Shemp congrats to the winners Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Echo Beach Posts: 10,891	you can rent a place just down from me for $500.00 per month.. that leaves 700.00 for food and bug spray... __________________ i use Vacares...so should you Submit your picture galleries to my site...Outlaw TGP

05-12-2012, 04:08 PM	#27
NaughtyRob Two fresh affiliate progs Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Inside teen pussy Posts: 29,602	Fuck that, my plan is to buy a house in my hometown and retire there. You can get a nice house for like $20K with 1/3 acre. __________________ [email protected] Skype: 17026955414 Vacares Web Hosting - Protect Your Ass with Included Daily Backups

05-12-2012, 05:04 PM	#31
L-Pink working on my tan Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida/Kentucky Posts: 39,151	I can show you parts of sunny Tampa where you can live for $1,200 also but you won't catch me there.

05-12-2012, 05:08 PM	#33
MaDalton I am Amazing Content! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 39,828	average income in CZ is about $1000, i know many who have less than that __________________ AmazingContent.com - providing only the best content and service since 2003 Monetize your content on Veegaz.com - one of Germanies largest VOD sites Got German traffic? We convert it into money for you! Skype: madalton02826 - Email: oltecconsult [at] gmail [dot] com

05-12-2012, 05:18 PM	#35
NetHorse Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,526	This article might've been true, 5 years before everyone started doing it. __________________ ┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐ ICQ # 427013273

05-12-2012, 08:11 PM	#38
nekrom Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Australia/Asia Posts: 921	China. Forget the shitty mainland parts, move to the island of the south that belongs to China, but is an SEZ. Find it yourself I'm not telling you, fucked if I want hundreds of expats flooding the place heh. $1200 USD per month is 7560RMB per month. You can live a very comfortable lifestyle here on that. I live here, married here, have a bricks and mortar business here as well as online. The average monthly income, with two income earners is around 3000-4000 pm. They also have kids and other shit to deal with, extra expenses related to that, plus rent. So if you're single on $1200usd pm you're laughing. The more you make the better life style you enjoy of course applies. Apartment rental: 2 bedroom, 1 tv room, 1 dining room, 1 kitchen, 1 bathroom/toilet, 1 balcony, gated community, ocean water front views, 2500RMB per month. Utilities (gas/water/power + parking fee) additional 300RMB pm. Total: 2800RMB pm. Getting around: Taxi: Flag fair 8RMB, 20mins drive around: 20-25RMB. Bus: 1RMB. Sit on that fucker all day like a hobo, still only 1RMB. Motorbike taxi: 6RMB. Do what I did, buy an electric power bike/scooter thingo. Buy second hand, one time price, 2000RMB or less. Full battery recharge 1RMB. Takes 3 days to use up all the juice, re-charge and drive around like a boss again. Top speed 45 km/ph. Hard to do that in heavy traffic, so just use the footpaths like the locals do, fuck the police! Food: You can eat the most delicious, freshest food daily, cooked by mom/dad small shop front operations for cheap. 2 people can walk away bloated like a fat kid at MC Donalds for 30RMB. Or you got to a local fresh produce market and buy the same thing, but cook it yourself at home for 10-15RMb, so half price. Pro tip: Get a wife, give her money, she will go out and do this for you. She also comes in handy with visas, see the next section. You can also eat out at fancy ass western restaurants, top Chinese fine dinning, silver service and the price range is not much higher. Per person, 50-100RMB. Visas: Arrive on an L tourist visa. Get it extended max two more months. During that time get married (most simple as fuck, non effort process I've ever done in my life. Thailand for example is a cunt when dealing with visas), get a 1-2yr marriage visa, pay 800RMB per year/2. Sorted, easy as fuck. Carry on with your life. Medical/Hospital: No medicare, no safety net. User pays system. Private hospitals are shit, avoid like a 20RMB whore. Stick to the government hospitals. If you are white, you are elevated to god tier. You will pay for it, but you will get all the western trained doctors, and not some janitor that is wearing a white lab coat. (Think I'm joking, I've seen it myself). I got a nasty ass, puss infected, white goop dripping, throat infection. Went to public hospital, got diagnosed within 20mins, 5mins to pay for meds, all done under 30mins. It took me longer to park the bike, chain it up so some fuck don't knock it off and pay the parking management auntie 1RMB. Internet: Slow compared to most first world countries, but I get 4mbps down and fuck all up, but it's good enough for me. Bring a VPN you will need one if you want to do facebook, youtube, white people things, oh and work on your adult shit. For the people here that just do mainstream shit, (like me these days), you hardly need a vpn at all.) Other great things about the place. 8 million locals, 300 expats, a non existent police system (you see them but they do fuck all) no road rules, no breath testing (if you drink and drive you are a fucking cunt though, think of others and their families before you get behind the wheel), no in your bedroom/life gov policies, no tax on world wide internet income (at this point in time), they love Australians, English & Americans are ok. If you are Russian, you are below a black person and they dislike those and if you are Japanese, you will be lynched in the streets. 600ml beers are 4RMB each, bbq mystery meat on most street corners after 10.30pm at night and the weather is tropical warm 11months of the year. No pollution/smog in the air and all round great living conditions. You can fuck whores till your dick falls off for 200RMB a pop or get wanked off during a relaxing massage for 100RMB. Or you can get married and fuck for free, but end up spending all your money on Taobao (Chinese Ebay) lolol. __________________ Free Traffic

05-12-2012, 09:44 PM	#39
Fap Just Du It Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 12,094	not for me

05-13-2012, 02:04 AM	#41
antdoin Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,561	Well in the Balkans most of the people earn average up to 300$ per month (countries that aren't in the EU) I don't think that we will hit average 1000$ per month in the next 30 years. So with those money you will live like a king here. For example most of the people in my town earn 150$ per month. Last edited by antdoin; 05-13-2012 at 02:05 AM..

05-13-2012, 02:25 AM	#42
klinton So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: online Posts: 8,766	countries in Europe to live OK for 1200 usd per month: Poland, Czech, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, whole former Yugoslavia, Ukraine, Turkey,Estonia, Latvia, Lotva, Belarus. Still doable but without luxuries: Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece, Germany, France, UK, Holland, Austria.

05-13-2012, 03:25 AM	#46
v4 media Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Spain Posts: 2,934	You can live in Spain on that. The touristy bits of the south have got about 40% unemployment, so property is really cheap. In the north in the mountains you can buy lovely stone houses with a few acres for 50k, only 20 minutes away from the big cities.

05-13-2012, 03:44 AM	#47
The Ghost IslandDollars.com Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Icq: 176176 Posts: 12,188	Echoed by others but the whole idea of retiring in some cheap magical land is bullshit. It would only work if you do NOTHING, have no health problems, buy no creature comforts of home, eat only the cheapest local food (i.e. same as only eating Top Ramen in the USA). When they mention the "income" of locals, they fail to mention that often 4 or so people live in a single 20 sq meter studio apartment to make ends meet. So if you have 4 other retirees you'd like to bunk with, eating top ramen on the floor then have at it. __________________ ISLAND DOLLARS 1000's of Exclusive TS scenes / Constant Updates Best TS Network your surfers will ever join

05-13-2012, 03:54 AM	#48
BJ Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: asia Posts: 5,590	you are mostly retards, 1200 usd a month you are a broke loser, no matter where you are in the world. A scurge on society. Nobody or country wants you.