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u-Bob · 05-28-2012, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by eroticsexxx

Ah, the "every man for himself" creed.

What you call a "creed" is a fact of life. It's a praxeological certainty. It's how the market works.

You offer a service. if people value your service more than all other services they could buy at that moment in time for the same amount of money, they will buy your service. If they value another service more than yours, you won't make any money.

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And thus we see why the "Industry" inevitably will stagnate. At some point a collective philosophy in some form or shape will need to be developed to protect the interests of the whole.

The fact that it's only individuals that make decisions, doesn't mean people can't or won't work together. When a voluntary exchange takes place, both parties benefit. People share information all the time. People give advice all the time. Some more than others. Some more useful than others. people learn from each other by observing what works and what doesn't. And yes, people band together to fight certain threats or mitigate certain risks.

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Otherwise it will simply be a revolving door of companies (except those who are big enough to survive), any of which can be targeted by regulatory bodies or subject to threats to the stability of their business.

Human history is the history of revolving doors of people that come up with great ideas and ways to profit from them. Nothing lasts forever.

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Every other major industry has learned the lesson that there is strength in numbers. Why can't this industry get it together?

Yes, there's plenty of examples of companies joining forces and forming cartels. And what happens every time? They get outcompeted by the new guy and the cartel breaks up. The only cases where cartels can survive for a longer period of time are those were force is involved. Either directly by the cartel members as is the case with for example drug cartels or indirectly as is the case when those cartels manage to get enough political influence to have the government outlaw their competitors. Do you see either of those things happening in this "industry"? do you want either of those things to happen in this "industry"?

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Perhaps this is the wrong place to have this conversation, but the individualistic attitudes are telling as to why things are the way they are at present.

I fear you are confusing one of the basic truths of human existence, namely the fact that we are all individuals and only individuals can make decisions (There's no such things as a "collective mind") with certain moral values or ideologies.

The fact that we are all individuals does not mean people don't or can't help their fellow man. And to help your fellow man, you certainly don't need to turn control over your business over to some 'collective body'.

We all have limited amounts of time and limited resources at our disposal. If I prefer to use mine as efficiently as possible, then that's not a sign of egoism, but good business sense imho. That I want my business to turn a profit does not preclude me from helping people the way I prefer or decide to help people.

The Porn Nerd · 05-28-2012, 09:46 AM

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eroticsexxx · 05-28-2012, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by u-Bob

I fear you are confusing one of the basic truths of human existence, namely the fact that we are all individuals and only individuals can make decisions (There's no such things as a "collective mind") with certain moral values or ideologies.

The great U.S.A.

I rest my case.

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And to help your fellow man, you certainly don't need to turn control over your business over to some 'collective body'.

I do believe that you're misunderstanding what I'm saying.

Do you honestly think that tobacco, alcohol or even farming lobbies formed by those industries are a waste of time? Companies within those industries compete directly with each other, but they know that as a collective that they have a better chance of facing the government on issues that could effect their industry as a whole.

Look at how tobacco companies handled dealing with hard evidence that their products actually kill and maim people. Don't think for one second that if there wasn't a powerful tobacco lobby that individual tobacco companies would have still been in existence.

This is the point that I'm making.

Most persons in this industry shrug off the growing roar of government officials against porn. We will have to face it inevitably and should at least prepare accordingly and collectively.

adultmobile · 05-28-2012, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by raymor

In this thread people talk as though ADULT is in trouble. In the economy as a whole, about one of every eight people either can't find a job or have given up hope and stopped even trying. It's not adult, it's everything, the world economy led by the US. Never mind a processor, entire countries are going belly up.

Yes this is where the lower conversion ratio it comes from... not from a cartel of programs who all agreed to shave. I would bet there was bigger shaving in the past years when there was bigger money to shave from - also biggest worth to collapse an iBill or Epassporte before that money flow decreases. In fact the biggest shaving and risk it was when it was worth for the bigger fraud gangsters to be in the online adult biz! With today's smaller numbers whoever kept in online adult biz (or just entered it) it can't be so greedy, most do it just as an excuse to see pussy

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Originally Posted by eroticsexxx

Look at how tobacco companies handled dealing with hard evidence that their products actually kill and maim people. Don't think for one second that if there wasn't a powerful tobacco lobby that individual tobacco companies would have still been in existence.

Most persons in this industry shrug off the growing roar of government officials against porn. We will have to face it inevitably and should at least prepare accordingly and collectively.

The persons in this industry does not act as if anti-porn government(s) are unimportant or not a problem (does not "shrug off", if I understand the meaning). Simply no one of them have even 1% of the money that tobacco people can use to lobby. So it was said by researchers: in the 21st century tobacco will kill 1 billion people worldwide... this requires quite a lobbying to fix... eventually less people will die due to porn for sure. But the global tobacco industry it is more than $600 billion per year, some $50 to $100 billion per major company per year, of which several billion it is pure profit, income!
Now how it compares with a manwin, playboy, hustler, adultfriendfinder, myfreecams, streamate , imlive or whoever you can call as big program? You convert the billion of tobacco in million of porn, and maybe you get the right numbers of online porn: 600 million per year, 50 to 100 million per major company a year... still this is 1000 times smaller money of tobacco (or oil, etc.) so it can lobby 1000 times less. Which is what we got, it is just the money, not the skills or wishes.

Paul Markham · 05-28-2012, 02:23 PM

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In this thread people talk as though ADULT is in trouble. In the economy as a whole, about one of every eight people either can't find a job or have given up hope and stopped even trying. It's not adult, it's everything, the world economy led by the US. Never mind a processor, entire countries are going belly up.

The recession hasn't helped. Still it's not the sole or even main cause of the decline. We have to accept the blame for that ourselves.

Porn always was a small industry when compared with others. Worldwide sales revenue weren't bad. Yet this was split into 1,000s of shops turning over, let's say, $1 million each.

There were a few moguls, Flynt, Hefner, Sullivan, Gold, Raymond, Uhse for instance. Then there was 1,000s of smaller fish. Online replaced it and none will reach the size of those guys. And if the ever do, we will never know it for sure. The small to medium businesses were never able to step up a gear and are suffering.

Yes they diversified using the money in porn to invest in other forms of business. How many online porn companies did the same? The most successful was probably Paul Raymond.

At some point a new industry has to leave the little business methods behind and start to act like a real industry. Our business methods prohibit this. Giving away a product to get 1-1,000 consumers to buy, isn't a way to grow an industry. Unless the ratio of 99.9% can be improved on. And it's not. It's getting worse. Recession or no recession.

Barefootsies · 05-30-2012, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen

treat your sites like a business and not a "build and wait" and your returns will be better.

people who don't treat their sites like a business fall short.

Lykos · 05-30-2012, 09:03 AM

I hope you are not right !

Paul Markham · 05-30-2012, 12:03 PM

The good news for us and bad news for others.

Is. We paid more tax for last year, so made more money. Not a lot, still a nice sign.

so you can still ignore my posts for a little longer. LOL

Theo · 05-30-2012, 12:12 PM

PM, did you ever meet Paul Raymond?

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