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xenigo · 06-21-2012, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by VenusBlogger

this does not make sense...

DMCA protects oron and all the other sites.

DMCA protects internet providers - gateways. DMCA protects a company like Comcast from the actions of it's users. It does not protect sites that operate as piracy hubs. These are willful infringers who pay for and charge for the dissemination of copyrighted works.

It also does not protect end users who are also willful infringers.

Major (Tom) · 06-21-2012, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

No theory other than they were able to get my non-DMCA sending IP address within an hour of me posting that thread. I'm sure someone with a little programming know-how can pull IPs from posts? That thread was posted here and Xbiz. They got it from one of those boards.

a bot that can scrape your ip off the forum if you post regulary not via direct reply.
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Quentin · 06-21-2012, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger

this does not make sense...

DMCA protects oron and all the other sites.

If Oron is compliant with the DMCA, that might well be true; the heart of Liberty Media's complaint, however, is the assertion that Oron simply does not comply with DMCA, and that it clearly did not comply with an important provision of the statute prior to July 2011.

From the complaint:

Quote:

Normally, a web hosting company takes advantage of the ?safe harbor? provisions of the DMCA 17 U.S.C. § 512, and would not become a defendant in this cause of action. During the period of most of the complained of infringements, Oron did not have a registered DMCA agent. It is not entitled to the DMCA?s safe harbor provisions for the complained of infringements.

There is much more to complying with DMCA than simply honoring take down requests. As the bit from Liberty's complaint that I quoted above suggests, one of the other important facets of compliance is registering a designated DMCA agent with U.S. Copyright Office, and subsequently publishing contact information for that agent on your website(s).

Oron only registered its DMCA agent in July of last year, so with respect to any infringing activity at issue in Liberty's complaint that took place prior to that date of registration, the court may well find that Oron should not benefit from DMCA safe harbor with respect to such infringement.

Beyond that, there's nothing in the DMCA that protects you from contributory copyright infringement claims if you are willfully and knowingly profiting from infringement, even if the direct infringement itself is being perpetrated by third parties.

Which brings us to the following claims in Liberty's complaint:

Quote:

41. Defendant Oron.com induces its members to upload content in the hopes that it will be downloaded in massive quantities, such as full-length motion pictures belonging to Plaintiff Liberty.

42. Oron rewards members who steal copyrighted content and provide this content to Defendant Oron.com. Defendant Oron.com publishes illicitly obtained copyrighted materials to lure potential members to its website.

43. Defendant Oron.com engages in this illicit activity for profit. The members uploading the illicitly obtained material also profit.

44. Defendant Oron.com compensates members for their infringing activity.

If Liberty can provide evidence of those claims at trial, in combination with the lack of a registered agent for Oron prior to July of 2011, I'd say Liberty is in a pretty good position to come out on top in this case.

sarettah · 06-21-2012, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

There ya go.

How to pinpoint my USA VPN IP out of how ever many IPs they may have collected?

You check the time of the hit against the time of a post, throw in the referer string and it becomes pretty easy.

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429mg · 06-21-2012, 11:59 AM

And again CF takes the lead. Good news!

A couple of gay companies (CF, Titan, C1R, Blu Media, Porn Guardian) have been extremely succesful closing illegal tubes, file lockers and forums. Even when it comes to a settlement, Oron will be hit hard. Others will follow and they can't settle forever.

BareBacked · 06-21-2012, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by xenigo

I think they'd have to have some special relationship with the board administrators. Unless they're using some vBulletin exploit...

Either way it seems like a real breach of privacy for a 3rd party to disclose IP's. Especially shady making that disclosure to a company who's sole purpose is to commit crime.

If they are an advertiser who hosts his own banner images. Then they can see the IPS hitting it

mafia_man · 06-21-2012, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Slappin Fish

My IP is banned, yours and I remember Konrad's was too, my guess is they banned IPs with the most hits and those they could cross reference by country.

Am I right in thinking that they are banning IPs that submit many DMCA requests?

MrDeiz · 06-21-2012, 02:02 PM

what's Liberty Media / CorbinFisher history on all those lawsuits.
i see it all the time on the news, but don't remind any report on the outcome

JimmyStephans · 06-21-2012, 02:03 PM

In a previous Liberty / CF case, versus Hotfile, it eventually came out that Hotfile had direct communications with posters - giving them advice on boards to post to, popular files, and things along those lines. That would take away any DMCA protections because the host / site is no longer just a host.

These guys are running Forumophielia, RedBitch, PornBB and others. I think that might play into the case when the time comes.

Its up to the lawyers now.

JimmyStephans · 06-21-2012, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrDeiz

what's Liberty Media / CorbinFisher history on all those lawsuits.
i see it all the time on the news, but don't remind any report on the outcome

Almost all of them are settled with Liberty getting good payments. There is a site called RFCExpress where you can look them all up, get the latest documents, etc.

MrDeiz · 06-21-2012, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RycEric

http://whois.domaintools.com/straponfiesta.com
http://whois.domaintools.com/rateamcash.com

Thx!

the guy running those site and the guy behind oron is not the same person
you're totally wrong on this one

Major (Tom) · 06-21-2012, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mafia_man

Am I right in thinking that they are banning IPs that submit many DMCA requests?

some. Most are scraped off of the board via a bot if you use the standard reply button & not quick reply.
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signupdamnit · 06-21-2012, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JimmyStephans

and the REAL owner, which is a guy in Florida.

Wait this fucker lives in FL? I haven't read all the docs yet but are you saying the owner of Oron is a U.S. Citizen? If so EVERYONE ought to be suing his ass.

signupdamnit · 06-21-2012, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mafia_man

Am I right in thinking that they are banning IPs that submit many DMCA requests?

I heard about this happening here at least six months back. Real scumbag stuff.

signupdamnit · 06-21-2012, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB

No theory other than they were able to get my non-DMCA sending IP address within an hour of me posting that thread. I'm sure someone with a little programming know-how can pull IPs from posts? That thread was posted here and Xbiz. They got it from one of those boards.

Use Tor when posting here. It'll stop that shit cold. It's better for your security too.
https://www.torproject.org/

But I suspect they are also getting the IP from the person who submits the DMCA takedown. Take countermeasures there too.

RycEric · 06-21-2012, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrDeiz

the guy running those site and the guy behind oron is not the same person
you're totally wrong on this one

READ:
Romanov, Roman [email protected]
Power Resources LLC
1139 York st #204
Denver, Colorado 80206
United States
(720) 327-7451
" ... Bochenko also is a a resident of Jacksonville, Fla., and Golden, Colo.""

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19016902&postcount=13
He is right on this board.
"mainroman"

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=15062319&postcount=103
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JimmyStephans · 06-21-2012, 02:53 PM

Colorado Secretary of State records show additional addresses (updates) since the time he created the LLC - which I think one of is the Denver suburb of Golden and how Liberty got that in the suit.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 06-21-2012, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimmyStephans

Liberty Media / CorbinFisher has taken the lead - as they have many times in the past - in doing what they can and has sued Oron.com, parent company FF Magnat and the REAL owner, which is a guy in Florida.

The documents are now part of the public record and are available from sources such as RFCexpress.com

I have collected them all and placed in this online folder.

http://truebabes.com/oron/

Cheers,

Jimmy

How long until Manwin (owner of Babes.com) sues truebabes.com for using "Babes" in their domain name?

ADG

JimmyStephans · 06-21-2012, 03:09 PM

They do play a tad dirty now and then don't they?

http://true.babes.com/

MaDalton · 06-21-2012, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrDeiz

the guy running those site and the guy behind oron is not the same person
you're totally wrong on this one

if you know who he really is feel free to tell us

Horny Joe · 06-21-2012, 03:32 PM

So, anyone have a referral url for this Oron program? From the legal papers it seems they are paying good!

Mutt · 06-21-2012, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quentin

If Oron is compliant with the DMCA, that might well be true; the heart of Liberty Media's complaint, however, is the assertion that Oron simply does not comply with DMCA, and that it clearly did not comply with an important provision of the statute prior to July 2011.

From the complaint:

There is much more to complying with DMCA than simply honoring take down requests. As the bit from Liberty's complaint that I quoted above suggests, one of the other important facets of compliance is registering a designated DMCA agent with U.S. Copyright Office, and subsequently publishing contact information for that agent on your website(s).

Oron only registered its DMCA agent in July of last year, so with respect to any infringing activity at issue in Liberty's complaint that took place prior to that date of registration, the court may well find that Oron should not benefit from DMCA safe harbor with respect to such infringement.

Beyond that, there's nothing in the DMCA that protects you from contributory copyright infringement claims if you are willfully and knowingly profiting from infringement, even if the direct infringement itself is being perpetrated by third parties.

Which brings us to the following claims in Liberty's complaint:

If Liberty can provide evidence of those claims at trial, in combination with the lack of a registered agent for Oron prior to July of 2011, I'd say Liberty is in a pretty good position to come out on top in this case.

The company you work for reached a settlement when it sued Pornhub. Why didn't Pink Visual go for a winning decision by judge or jury and reap the damage awards?

Barefootsies · 06-21-2012, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrDeiz

the guy running those site and the guy behind oron is not the same person

you're totally wrong on this one

Enlighten everyone then fine sire.

Just Alex · 06-21-2012, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Enlighten everyone then fine sire.

I agree with deiz, totally different person. I have seen owners info on this board before and clearly remember that he's one of ex-soviet guys living in Germany. Either here or some other adult webmaster boards.

Major (Tom) · 06-21-2012, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt

The company you work for reached a settlement when it sued Pornhub. Why didn't Pink Visual go for a winning decision by judge or jury and reap the damage awards?

i dont think pink visual is a big as people think. I viewed that lawsuit & settlement as a capital injection.
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topnotch, standup guy · 06-21-2012, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrDeiz

the guy running those site and the guy behind oron is not the same person
you're totally wrong on this one

So says the clown with this on his site.

Your words have no credibility here tube boy.
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Just Alex · 06-21-2012, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy

So says the clown with this on his site.

Your words have no credibility here tube boy.
.

Money talks bullshit walks.

_Lush_ · 06-21-2012, 10:19 PM

Filelockers are big business just look at this recent sale of one for 650,000
https://flippa.com/2750452-1-000-000...ay-usa-traffic

Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE · 06-21-2012, 10:20 PM

Niggardlies

TCLGirls · 06-21-2012, 11:27 PM

Even my sorry content is on Oron!!!

Let's make this a class action!!!!

Paul Markham · 06-21-2012, 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xenigo

Everyone already had the ability to sue previous to this. Correct? What are you distinguishing as the difference between then and now?

Yes. all these mega huge online companies leaving it to someone else like Liberty Media / CorbinFisher to do the work.

digitaldivas · 06-22-2012, 12:23 AM

Fuck... It that is the address, that company is literally 10 blocks away. That blows my mind.

DWB · 06-22-2012, 02:41 PM

Assets frozen.

http://www.xbiz.com/news/150302

Booya.

xenigo · 06-22-2012, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB

Assets frozen.

http://www.xbiz.com/news/150302

Booya.

High Five!

They got what was coming to them. How I'd love to be a fly on the wall in their office right now... oh god I would love to hear that dialogue.

Major (Tom) · 06-22-2012, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xenigo

High Five!

They got what was coming to them. How I'd love to be a fly on the wall in their office right now... oh god I would love to hear that dialogue.

I had my fiance' blow me as I read the article.
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mafia_man · 06-22-2012, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB

Assets frozen.

http://www.xbiz.com/news/150302

Booya.

Damn that's some good work.

xenigo · 06-22-2012, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

I had my fiance' blow me as I read the article.
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Perfect

JuicyBunny · 06-22-2012, 07:44 PM

Congrats to All Involved!

Babaganoosh · 06-22-2012, 08:03 PM

Those poor uploaders.

xenigo · 06-22-2012, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

Those poor uploaders.

I know... they worked so hard. I hope they haven't developed carpel tunnel syndrome from all those late nights right-clicking save-as. I hope they flood YouTube talking about their sad sad situation... losing all those links, and all those rebills.

I'll be ready to kick them in the nuts with reply videos.

BIGTYMER · 06-22-2012, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB

Assets frozen.

http://www.xbiz.com/news/150302

Booya.

That just gave me wood.

Paul Markham · 06-22-2012, 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TCLGirls

Even my sorry content is on Oron!!!

Let's make this a class action!!!!

If 5-6 companies got together it could be done. Of course 99% of those here won't contribute more than a post on GFY. If you get it organised, I will contribute.

06-21-2012, 11:59 AM	#55
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JimmyStephans Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Littleton, Colorado. USA Posts: 558	In a previous Liberty / CF case, versus Hotfile, it eventually came out that Hotfile had direct communications with posters - giving them advice on boards to post to, popular files, and things along those lines. That would take away any DMCA protections because the host / site is no longer just a host. These guys are running Forumophielia, RedBitch, PornBB and others. I think that might play into the case when the time comes. Its up to the lawyers now. __________________ http://TrueBabes.com/

06-21-2012, 02:53 PM	#67
JimmyStephans Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Littleton, Colorado. USA Posts: 558	Colorado Secretary of State records show additional addresses (updates) since the time he created the LLC - which I think one of is the Denver suburb of Golden and how Liberty got that in the suit. __________________ http://TrueBabes.com/

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