Oron Sued

[JimmyStephans]

I guess I'll be the first to pop the news out there.

Liberty Media / CorbinFisher has taken the lead - as they have many times in the past - in doing what they can and has sued Oron.com, parent company FF Magnat and the REAL owner, which is a guy in Florida.

The documents are now part of the public record and are available from sources such as RFCexpress.com

I have collected them all and placed in this online folder.

http://truebabes.com/oron/

Cheers,



Jimmy

[xenigo]

I'll be excited to see the outcome of this.

[cthulhu_waves]

I wonder if this will end with an indictment or a settlement.

[JimmyStephans]

Its a civil lawsuit seeking damages (money) from Oron.com on behalf of Liberty Media.

But, now that its out there other companies can sue if they hire lawyers and pay the fees.

[ninavain]

[xenigo]

Originally Posted by JimmyStephans

But, now that its out there other companies can sue if they hire lawyers and pay the fees.

Everyone already had the ability to sue previous to this. Correct? What are you distinguishing as the difference between then and now?

[Roald]

cough*settlement*cough

[RyuLion]

Nice!!!!!!!!!!!

[RycEric]

Originally Posted by xenigo

Everyone already had the ability to sue previous to this. Correct? What are you distinguishing as the difference between then and now?

That is correct! Difference is someone paid someone to do it

[DWB]

Maxim Bochenko a/k/a Roman Romanov

Where have I heard this name before?

[Just Alex]

Originally Posted by DWB

Maxim Bochenko a/k/a Roman Romanov

Where have I heard this name before?

Klik crew?

[JimmyStephans]

Originally Posted by xenigo

Everyone already had the ability to sue previous to this. Correct? What are you distinguishing as the difference between then and now?

Sorry for the confusion. Yes, everybody had ability to sue at any time. Liberty, and those working with them, have done the VERY HARD work of tracking down the real owners and have busted through all the shell companies, fake identities, and traced the money.

I meant to express that it would now be easier for others to sue because that information is now in the public record and new suits would not be as costly to prepare and litigate.

[JimmyStephans]

Originally Posted by DWB

Maxim Bochenko a/k/a Roman Romanov

Where have I heard this name before?

He is right on this board.

"mainroman"

[RycEric]

Originally Posted by JimmyStephans

He is right on this board.

"mainroman"

http://whois.domaintools.com/straponfiesta.com
http://whois.domaintools.com/rateamcash.com

Thx!

[TheDA]

Originally Posted by JimmyStephans

Sorry for the confusion. Yes, everybody had ability to sue at any time. Liberty, and those working with them, have done the VERY HARD work of tracking down the real owners and have busted through all the shell companies, fake identities, and traced the money.

I meant to express that it would now be easier for others to sue because that information is now in the public record and new suits would not be as costly to prepare and litigate.

It's not exactly VERY HARD work. It's not that difficult to track them down. It's not as if nobody on here didn't know who owned it.

[RycEric]

Sponsors might want to check the affiliate links here.
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[Mutt]

Originally Posted by TheDA

It's not exactly VERY HARD work. It's not that difficult to track them down. It's not as if nobody on here didn't know who owned it.

i had no idea and neither did anybody i regularly talk to. so if people on here knew the guy why didn't they speak up?

[selena]

Originally Posted by TheDA

It's not exactly VERY HARD work. It's not that difficult to track them down. It's not as if nobody on here didn't know who owned it.

Normally you don't bother me, and I think that generally speaking, you bring some valid points to the table.

But you are seriously going to bust his ass over this? Maybe you are right...maybe it wasn't VERY HARD work, I honestly don't know what was involved to uncover who the owner is. But it is work that they at least did do, which is more than anyone else to date in terms of bringing legal action.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by TheDA

It's not exactly VERY HARD work. It's not that difficult to track them down. It's not as if nobody on here didn't know who owned it.

Just because you already knew does not mean anyone else did.

[jscott]

Good to see Oron being sued, i'm lovin' it!

[DWB]

Originally Posted by TheDA

It's not as if nobody on here didn't know who owned it.

Whatever the case, he is about to have his ass handed to him. Finally. And being he is in the USA, he is more or less fucked. He will either lose his assets, including his site, or settle for an amount that may put him out of business. Either way, couldn't happen to a better shit stain.

Countdown until a few more smaller file lockers close upon news of this. The biggest pussies already closed after Megaupload. Now lets see who is bold enough to think they can't be found and served.

[TheDA]

Originally Posted by Mutt

i had no idea and neither did anybody i regularly talk to. so if people on here knew the guy why didn't they speak up?

I'm sure it will all come out in the wash as they say.

General rule of thumb for me? I generally don't fuck with Eastern Bloccers.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by baddog

Just because you already knew does not mean anyone else did.

I know of several people who have been trying to track that guy with no luck.

This is just a case of friends looking out for friends. I don't think it was common knowledge who the owner was, but it makes sense that he posted here because within an hour of me posting my Oron / CCbill thread, my IP was blocked from Oron's site.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by TheDA

I generally don't fuck with Eastern Bloccers.

Not a bad rule to follow.

[TheDA]

Originally Posted by selena

Normally you don't bother me, and I think that generally speaking, you bring some valid points to the table.

But you are seriously going to bust his ass over this? Maybe you are right...maybe it wasn't VERY HARD work, I honestly don't know what was involved to uncover who the owner is. But it is work that they at least did do, which is more than anyone else to date in terms of bringing legal action.

Someone asked who owned Oron in one of the CCBill threads I think it was, over the past couple of weeks. I got curious, did some checks with some others on here and got the info fairly easily.

[RycEric]

Originally Posted by Mutt

i had no idea and neither did anybody i regularly talk to. so if people on here knew the guy why didn't they speak up?

They walk among us. I said this yesterday and that ACIUF idiot blew it off.

[TheDA]

Originally Posted by baddog

Just because you already knew does not mean anyone else did.

See my reply to Selena above.

[RycEric]

Originally Posted by TheDA

See above.

I was talking about something else, unrelated to this, but essentially it always seems to come back to someone in the biz.

[mafia_man]

Originally Posted by Roald

cough*settlement*cough

[LeRoy]

Originally Posted by Roald

cough*settlement*cough

This might be a new biz model for some programs.

[TheDA]

Originally Posted by RycEric

I was talking about something else, unrelated to this, but essentially it always seems to come back to someone in the biz.

Edited..

[xenigo]

Originally Posted by DWB

I know of several people who have been trying to track that guy with no luck.

This is just a case of friends looking out for friends. I don't think it was common knowledge who the owner was, but it makes sense that he posted here because within an hour of me posting my Oron / CCbill thread, my IP was blocked from Oron's site.

So what's the theory? Oron was able to call up Theo and get your IP so they could block it?

I don't know why he'd even bother... it's not like we don't all have access to anonymous proxies.

[Slappin Fish]

Originally Posted by xenigo

So what's the theory? Oron was able to call up Theo and get your IP so they could block it?

I don't know why he'd even bother... it's not like we don't all have access to anonymous proxies.

Put a picture in your sig, check your logs...Ta Da!

[nikki99]

fuck oron they will burn in hell

[Coup]

Sue fucking everyone

[Just Alex]

Originally Posted by DWB

And being he is in the USA

He is not

[DWB]

Originally Posted by xenigo

So what's the theory? Oron was able to call up Theo and get your IP so they could block it?

I don't know why he'd even bother... it's not like we don't all have access to anonymous proxies.

No theory other than they were able to get my non-DMCA sending IP address within an hour of me posting that thread. I'm sure someone with a little programming know-how can pull IPs from posts? That thread was posted here and Xbiz. They got it from one of those boards.

[xenigo]

Originally Posted by DWB

No theory other than they were able to get my non-DMCA sending IP address within an hour of me posting that thread. I'm sure someone with a little programming know-how can pull IPs from posts? That thread was posted here and Xbiz. They got it from one of those boards.

I think they'd have to have some special relationship with the board administrators. Unless they're using some vBulletin exploit...

Either way it seems like a real breach of privacy for a 3rd party to disclose IP's. Especially shady making that disclosure to a company who's sole purpose is to commit crime.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by Just Alex

He is not

I thought they said he was in Florida?

The director/controlling party for Oron is Bochenko, a resident of Jacksonville,
Florida and Golden, Colorado.

If not, then he will settle for a huge amount or lose his domain. Either way, he is about to lose.

Looks like CCbill may be getting drug into this after all.

Oron.com utilizes the services of the company CC Bill to process its payments. CC
Bill is an American company operating out of Tempe, Arizona. See Exhibit 3.

Personal jurisdiction is proper over the Defendants because the wrongful activity at
issue concerns Defendant?s operation of commercial businesses through which Defendants
knowingly transact business and enter into contracts with individuals and companies in the United
States, including CC Bill, a Tempe, Arizona company that handles payment processing for Oron.

As a foreign defendant, Oron is subject to jurisdiction in any district. See 28 U.S.C.
1391 (?An alien may be sued in any district.?). See also Fed. R. Civ. P. 4(k)(2). Oron is a foreign
corporation with sufficient contacts with the United States to render jurisdiction proper in any U.S.
court.
23. Oron utilizes a Virginia based domain name registrar and U.S. based companies to
receive payment from members and to provide payment to members for services. See Exhibits 3-
5. Further, Oron lists a Pennsylvania address on its domain name registration. Therefore, Oron has
availed itself of the privilege of doing business in the United States, and it is properly subject to
jurisdiction in any federal court.

Either way, Oron as we know it is about to be over.

[_Lush_]

http://truebabes.com/oron/Doc.%202-5%20-%20Ex%20C.pdf

How did they get this doc before the filing was made?

[Just Alex]

Originally Posted by DWB

I thought they said he was in Florida?



If not, then he will settle for a huge amount or lose his domain. Either way, he is about to lose.

Looks like CCbill may be getting drug into this after all.





Either way, Oron as we know it is about to be over.

Neh, been said many times before - he lives in Germany. Usual "director" crap with mailbox address.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by xenigo

I think they'd have to have some special relationship with the board administrators. Unless they're using some vBulletin exploit...

Either way it seems like a real breach of privacy for a 3rd party to disclose IP's. Especially shady making that disclosure to a company who's sole purpose is to commit crime.

I've been told that by a few people now. I didn't really stress over it, Oron has blocked a lot of my IPs in the past after sending them shit loads of DMCAs. I just chalked it up to just another shitty day in the business.

However, the GFY/AVN - Uploading.com connection made me think about it for a bit at first. Figured file locker guys talk to each other just as we do. But Theo claims the owner is just a guy from a corporation formation service who was used by both companies, so who knows? But I do know when people are trying to hide who they are and use services like that, it's usually for a reason.

[Slappin Fish]

Originally Posted by xenigo

I think they'd have to have some special relationship with the board administrators. Unless they're using some vBulletin exploit...

I just answered this, put an image hosted on your server in your sig or in a post, check your logs it will have the IP address of every poster. no need for exploits.

[selena]

Originally Posted by TheDA

Someone asked who owned Oron in one of the CCBill threads I think it was, over the past couple of weeks. I got curious, did some checks with some others on here and got the info fairly easily.

I have no reasons to doubt that what you say is true. Like I said, I think you often bring valid points to the table.

I'm just glad to think that people who have profited over stolen stuff are going to lose those profits.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by Slappin Fish

I just answered this, put an image hosted on your server in your sig or in a post, check your logs it will have the IP address of every poster. no need for exploits.

There ya go.

How to pinpoint my USA VPN IP out of how ever many IPs they may have collected?

[DWB]

Originally Posted by selena

I'm just glad to think that people who have profited over stolen stuff are going to lose those profits.

Ditto.

I don't care about the he said she said nonsense. But I'm damn happy this guy is going to either lose a lot of money or lose his site. Either way, he loses. That makes me happy.

[xenigo]

Originally Posted by Slappin Fish

I just answered this, put an image hosted on your server in your sig or in a post, check your logs it will have the IP address of every poster. no need for exploits.

You're right. Had to think about that for a minute. I bet they put a block on a few people trying to pinpoint DWB.

[Slappin Fish]

Originally Posted by DWB

How to pinpoint my USA VPN IP out of how ever many IPs they may have collected?

My IP is banned, yours and I remember Konrad's was too, my guess is they banned IPs with the most hits and those they could cross reference by country.

[VenusBlogger]

this does not make sense...

DMCA protects oron and all the other sites.

[Suckerpunch]

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger

this does not make sense...

DMCA protects oron and all the other sites.

Not in this case...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flava_Works_Inc._v._Gunter