Why does SE traffic to tube site really suck?

[bean-aid]

I thought I was rather swavy with turning sites into money. So I tried with a tube site that had 8K traffic per day. That traffic would not convert no matter what I did.

So what is the secret? Why are tubes so great?

[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Inherent nature of the request.

[- Jesus Christ -]

Originally Posted by beaner

Why are tubes so great?

They are "great" becasue poeple who can't generate traffic properly can do so by giving away as much content as possible. Then they can flex their sweet 1:100000 dating site conversion ratios while parroting lrn2adapt.

IMO we need more turnkey tube solutions with longer clips so that more people who should be flipping burgers can get in on the action.

[hony]

People specifically looking for free porn, are they going to buy it? I have a bunch of cheapskate traffic to one of my sites due to an SEO accident and I can't sell them anything.

Maybe I should try insurance or credit cards or something. Anybody know of a program that would let me pop under a credit card add on an adult site? Didn't think so...

[TheSwed]

Originally Posted by beaner

I thought I was rather swavy with turning sites into money. So I tried with a tube site that had 8K traffic per day. That traffic would not convert no matter what I did.

So what is the secret? Why are tubes so great?

ExoClick is the secret

[19teenporn]

Originally Posted by beaner

I thought I was rather swavy with turning sites into money. So I tried with a tube site that had 8K traffic per day. That traffic would not convert no matter what I did.

So what is the secret? Why are tubes so great?

You don't make tubes to sell memberships.

You make tubes to become rich with exoclick, juicyads, eroadvertising, plugrush and the rest...

I'm starting to think you really ARE a beaner.

[bean-aid]

Originally Posted by 19teenporn

You don't make tubes to sell memberships.

You make tubes to become rich with exoclick, juicyads, eroadvertising, plugrush and the rest...

I'm starting to think you really ARE a beaner.

So that is how it is. We can now close the thread. Thanks for your input, I will stick to sites that make money and you can have the tubes. This industry is made up of people who have no balls nor the ability to protect there content, nor the ability to innovate.

[SoulTaker]

Originally Posted by 19teenporn

You don't make tubes to sell memberships.

You make tubes to become rich with exoclick, juicyads, eroadvertising, plugrush and the rest...

I'm starting to think you really ARE a beaner.

Doesn't make any sense though.

Why would juicyads and exoclick pay $10000's to tube sites at pay per click rates, if the ads convert that bad surely they would lose a ton of money? Juicyads, exoclick etc. mostly serve PPS ads on tube sites?

[NoWhErE]

Why not put up PPL offers like we have in CrakRevenue?

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by beaner

[ T]his industry is made up of people who have no balls nor the ability to protect there content ...

Sad truth is; you can make a quality copy of anything digitalized to your desktop if you know how -- I tried it on our cams and it worked. I won't say how but I am sure some know. And I don't mean come shitty screen caps with some winblows.exe

** Rest was deleted. I didn't want to infringe on the Paul Markham ? Wall of Words and bore the fuck out of you ...

[Barry-xlovecam]

Truth: Bulk traffic does not produce sales like quality SE and CPC traffic will.

[Barry-xlovecam]

More in a direct response to the title (sorry, I didn't read the op well); People who surf tubes don't feel the need to buy. If the video (or their combined length) is longer than 8 minutes most shoot their load and leave ...

[Wizzo]

Hey Beaner, you can put up some JuicyAds and make some bank without worrying about conversions...

[cashbizdude]

This was actually a great thread. Information wise.

[Jel]

Wizzo - can you send me more details on selling my traffic via juicyads please to admin - cfnmparty - co.uk

Thanks :-)

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by beaner

I thought I was rather swavy with turning sites into money. So I tried with a tube site that had 8K traffic per day. That traffic would not convert no matter what I did.

So what is the secret? Why are tubes so great?

It can make a big difference which keywords you have rankings for. Anything with "tube" in it usually has worse conversions than you might expect because they are all mainly savvy freeloaders.

Check your numbers but what I find holds me back the most with tubes is the ctr to the sponsor. It's usually pretty bad. If you can find a way to improve it and you have significant traffic it will make a big difference. Just don't get caught up promoting the ones with ratios much over 1:2,000. Make sure the performers get lots of time on the front page and the slackers are buried.

[Wizzo]

Originally Posted by Jel

Wizzo - can you send me more details on selling my traffic via juicyads please to admin - cfnmparty - co.uk

Thanks :-)

you got it...

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by beaner

I thought I was rather swavy with turning sites into money. So I tried with a tube site that had 8K traffic per day. That traffic would not convert no matter what I did.

So what is the secret? Why are tubes so great?

Hint: run a LEGAL tube site with sponsor-hosted short videos (2-5 minutes each) and link them directly to paysites. You'll see the difference instantly.

[bean-aid]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Hint: run a LEGAL tube site with sponsor-hosted short videos (2-5 minutes each) and link them directly to paysites. You'll see the difference instantly.

I'm actually *setting* that up now. An entire tube, to one sponsor, short clips, blocking views after 3 vids.

I think the *free* is smoke and mirrors. My results, if you tried really hard on CTR each 1K of organic traffic to a wide open tube was worth about 50 cents to 1 dollar. Conversions to paysites occurred but was few and far between and getting the CTR was difficult.

Mainstream google adsense is about 50 to 100 times better per click.

[Denny]

8K/day is ok for a niche blog, but it's nothing for a tube site. If you want to make money with tubes you need high traffic.

[JosephFM]

Do you link the tube video itself to the sponsor (linking to the sponsor from inside the video player)?

That might increase your conversion ratio.

[19teenporn]

Originally Posted by beaner

So that is how it is. We can now close the thread. Thanks for your input, I will stick to sites that make money and you can have the tubes. This industry is made up of people who have no balls nor the ability to protect there content, nor the ability to innovate.

Ouch. I just said the truth...

[freecartoonporn]

no it doesnt suck.
i had legal tube ranking on 2nd page for porn and was making quite good money with affiliates sales.,

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by beaner

I'm actually *setting* that up now. An entire tube, to one sponsor, short clips, blocking views after 3 vids.

Seems it's a very wrong sponsor then.

[bean-aid]

Originally Posted by freecartoonporn

no it doesnt suck.
i had legal tube ranking on 2nd page for porn and was making quite good money with affiliates sales.,

So you were getting what, 50K per day? What was your server bill, and what did the site make? Over a 30 day period, was it on average 25-50 bucks a day (traffic brokering) and maybe 10 sales?

Getting 1.5 million surfers and making 1-2K is a model, in my book, that is a failure. Then what was server bill? Maybe you didn't host the vids? Maybe that is why it is no longer on page 2.

I don't want to corner you and make assumptions, but why not just lay out the numbers.

[V_RocKs]

Tubes can and will make affiliate sales like an MGP would... But the real money is in unrelated ads...

And if you've seen any plugrush ads on a tube you would know the girls in the ads have to look 2jung...

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by - Jesus Christ -

IMO we need more turnkey tube solutions with longer clips so that more people who should be flipping burgers can get in on the action.

[Colmike9]

Some big tubes have program owners submit with a banner and affiliate link which is the tube's affiliate link after signing up to the program. Then they get 65ish% of signups from those posted video's ads..

There's much more but I don't want to say

[Sly]

Originally Posted by SoulTaker

Doesn't make any sense though.

Why would juicyads and exoclick pay $10000's to tube sites at pay per click rates, if the ads convert that bad surely they would lose a ton of money? Juicyads, exoclick etc. mostly serve PPS ads on tube sites?

In my mind, there are three main facets of running a website. Marketing. Content development. Sales.

Marketing could be traffic generation and user retention of the site. Building links, buying traffic, building a relationship so that users come back again and again.

Content development would be building a quality site. Good content, good user interface, a reason for surfers to be happy.

Sales would be monetization. Selling advertising, selling links, selling memberships, etc.

Each of the above three facets are full-time jobs. Many don't understand that, but to do these things properly, it really takes total and full attention.

When a Webmaster is spending all of their time working on content development (and usually marketing), they have little time to devote to sales. The sales process is a very laboring process and requires a lot of testing, analysis, and creativity.

To answer your question: advertisers that use traffic brokers make it their career to monetize traffic. That's what they do, all day. They test out sites, they test out traffic, they test crazy ideas until they find something that works. Once they find that something, they blow it up. It is extremely difficult for a webmaster that is focused on creating a good site to also have the time to create a good sales process.

And this is why traffic brokers are valuable to both advertisers and publishers, and this is how they can pay out good money per click, per impressions, and per placement.

[bean-aid]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Seems it's a very wrong sponsor then.

I am setting it up now, site is still a landing page. Actually 20 sites.

With the previous method, I will admit I stopped after almost 2 months. Everything I tried had bad results though. I did a 3 video view and then required free signup, passed that info to whitelabel via API, nothing. The big problem I found was that the freeloaders didn't even want to sign up for free. Out of 8K, maybe 15. Set the view to 0, shittier results, 1-3 about the same.

I had a site with free signup first tier and got about 150 signups per day, 2K traffic. I added cams API just for the fuck of it and made an extra 1K per month on just that.

Somebody said before about short sponsor clips and send to sponsor, I agree. And I am setting those up now.

But the wide open 55 minute movies on a tube site may be liked by google, but it does not make good money. Not that it *cant* make more then overhead, but nothing remotely close to anything I have seen in past. I would say a tube provides 1cent to the dollar that the content should.