Adult Guides, Tutorials, Products & Mentor Programmes?

[G-Unit01]

Good evening everyone,

One thing that is surprising is that in the adult market there aren't any ebooks, guides, or products that new comers to this market can purchase to get them started?

In the internet marketing niche there are products and mentors lining up.

To be honest, I entered the adult market when I purchased a product on how to get started in the adult market, which was pretty cool.

Am I just missing the products and mentors, or don't they really exist?

I'm here to stay, really want to get this venture going - but I'm lacking guidance?

[mce]

Check the Q+A section

[Failed]

I've reached out to people in order to increase my traffic, my knowledge, SEO tips, tricks, and have offered to provide services such as blog posts and other writing gigs in exchange. Not one person has followed through or taken me up on this offer, not even most affiliate reps I've spoke with give any advice beyond "build blogs, optimize your SEO."

I'm operating under the assumption that most people don't have a clue and those that do aren't going to tell you shit!

[B.Barnato]

That's because there is a whole mainstream niche focused on selling worthless products to noobs which consist of 95% BS.

I am aware that many experienced adult webmasters have taken people under their wings in exchange for signing up under them in the past, not sure how that went though.

Take some time to research successful webmasters. Look at source codes, whois, ref codes, analytics id, alexa etc to piece together their strategies and networks.

Copy and adapt to suit your needs.

[Failed]

Originally Posted by B.Barnato

That's because there is a whole mainstream niche focused on selling worthless products to noobs which consist of 95% BS.

I am aware that many experienced adult webmasters have taken people under their wings in exchange for signing up under them in the past, not sure how that went though.

Take some time to research successful webmasters. Look at source codes, whois, ref codes, analytics id, alexa etc to piece together their strategies and networks.

Copy and adapt to suit your needs.

I tried signing up under your sig but a strange affiliate rep just danced around for 20 minutes and took out his penis. Is this the casting couch stuff I heard about?

[Paul Markham]

Marketing porn well is no longer easy. Most just throw 10,000s of hits at a sample and hope something works. Even targeted blogging is a numbers game.

To market well, you need to be able to the right people to view your site and then send them to the right site that satisfies their needs. That's really tough to teach.

Start by promoting the porn you love in the way you would buy it.

Asking people to tell you how to take their business from them, isn't the best way to start.

[Voodoo]

Step 1: Porn
Step 2: ????
Step 3: Riches!

[Sophie Delancey]

Originally Posted by Voodoo

Step 1: Porn
Step 2: ????
Step 3: Riches!

Ah, the underpants gnome model.

[CaptainWolfy]

you won't find anything similar right here..

[Markul]

Plenty of advice to be had.

[Failed]

Originally Posted by Markul

Plenty of advice to be had.

Will you give us advice on how to obtain advice?

[xenigo]

Originally Posted by Failed

I'm operating under the assumption that most people don't have a clue and those that do aren't going to tell you shit!

I think this pretty much sums it up right here. I think most of the so-called "experts" and bro's are indeed marketing geniuses... but not of the online kind.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Failed

I'm operating under the assumption that most people don't have a clue and those that do aren't going to tell you shit!

This is pretty close to hitting the mark.

You have a lot of people floating around this industry who do not have a collective clue. They were a glorified affiliate manager or alike, that once the music stopped and they did not have a chair,... had to hit the job market. They found out how little they actually knew.

They used to make $50-100k a year, and now are chasing down scraps with more of the same.

I've interviewed plenty of them over the past few years, and most can talk you in circles with just how little they actually know. A true webmaster can actually generate their own traffic, do some level of HTML even if on a small scale, have run pay sites, etc.. Essentially, they are the jack of all trades, and these guys are still chugging away making money.

Adult does not have an eBook tutorial of how to learn to generate your own traffic, link building, running a pay site, affiliate programs, conversions, content shooting and so forth. I am sure if you intern for someone you could learn over time, otherwise, you must read read and read some more.

What I am saying is,... it's a lot of trial and error before you make it. You have to find something that works first, and then replicate it on a scale to make it a living. Most do not have the patience to work for themselves, much less to do it online.

[globofun]

There is only ONE mentor in adult and his name is Paul "I know it all" Markham....

Praise the Lord!

[Nicky]

Loads have been written over the years but 95% of them are not relevant any more. Some general stuff like marketing and niche understanding is still the same but as far as all great projects and tutorials that used to go around nothing is even close now days. Pre 2002 was great in that essence.

[garce]

Originally Posted by Failed

I've reached out to people in order to increase my traffic, my knowledge, SEO tips, tricks, and have offered to provide services such as blog posts and other writing gigs in exchange. Not one person has followed through or taken me up on this offer, not even most affiliate reps I've spoke with give any advice beyond "build blogs, optimize your SEO."

I'm operating under the assumption that most people don't have a clue and those that do aren't going to tell you shit!

That's pretty much 100% correct. A couple of years ago I offered to host websites - not just blogs - and give basically free reign to anyone who wanted to be a part of a network that actually made some money.

All they had to do was upload pics, link to the programs where they got those pics, and post the odd description every now and then.

Two people took me up on that offer. I had LOTS of enquiries about running a free blog host, but I actually expected people to work in exchange for the traffic and hosting.

Silly me!

[dallasnovelty]

I have been trying to find out how people are making blogs for posting pics from the big affiliate programs. How they set them up, get them working and replicating the procedure and scale up to have a huge blog network.

Finding advice like this is always tough even in the mainstream world. Because people don't want you to steal their meal ticket and make it similar or better than theirs. When I started my mainstream business in the mortgage business in 2001 I had to find someone to go under as a loan officer assistant so I could apprentice and be their bitch for 3 years and work my way up to Sr. Loan Officer. After my 3 years I was given the option to be a branch manager and control where and how my business would be run. I ended up buying my mentor out and going out on my own so I could make my own choices.

I think the above scenario scares a lot of the online companies because people always want the greener grass and think they can do it better and go around their mentor. This business changes so much and is so dependent on SERPs that by the time you write a book telling people how to do it it would be outdated and might even be penalized for the old method. I would really like to just talk to a successful blog network owner and tell them my situation and what I am wanting to do in the future. I just want to make sure what I am doing is just wasting time or could actually be scaled up to something that might make money.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

This is pretty close to hitting the mark.

You have a lot of people floating around this industry who do not have a collective clue. They were a glorified affiliate manager or alike, that once the music stopped and they did not have a chair,... had to hit the job market. They found out how little they actually knew.

They used to make $50-100k a year, and now are chasing down scraps with more of the same.

I've interviewed plenty of them over the past few years, and most can talk you in circles with just how little they actually know. A true webmaster can actually generate their own traffic, do some level of HTML even if on a small scale, have run pay sites, etc.. Essentially, they are the jack of all trades, and these guys are still chugging away making money.

Adult does not have an eBook tutorial of how to learn to generate your own traffic, link building, running a pay site, affiliate programs, conversions, content shooting and so forth. I am sure if you intern for someone you could learn over time, otherwise, you must read read and read some more.

What I am saying is,... it's a lot of trial and error before you make it. You have to find something that works first, and then replicate it on a scale to make it a living. Most do not have the patience to work for themselves, much less to do it online.

Great post. Ultimately an affiliate saying he's marketing is misleading. He generates traffic, the best affiliates generate traffic with a certain need. Then they send them to a site. If he's using any pictures or videos in the process he's 100% reliant on the quality of the porn, not image definition.

If the affiliates marketing doesn't match the visual content, he fails. If when the the surfer arrives on a tour and doesn't see more content that matched the promises. He doesn't buy. People who buy porn are a tough audience to sell to today.

Most tours fail to convince anyone that the site is worth $30 for 30 days. Or even $30 to download 100s of movies.

We just used excuses to cover up that most tours fail to convert.

[Paul Markham]

Here's your real problem. I got an email from Playboy asking me to review playboy.com. Grew up with Playboy and it's one of my favourite brands and styles, along with Penthouse. Could never shoot, yet spent hours jerking off to the magazine and videos. Plus anything with that glamour style edge to it. Today I get more of a kick out of watching a soft core scene on HBO than the in your face porn. So looking forward to getting a free pass.

Only to be disappointed.

Firstly had problems finding the members button here. WWW.PLAYBOYPLUS.COM, this will cost affiliates traffic. didn't look at the tour, as I had a free pass.

Most of the videos I saw had the girl saying the same intro "I'm so and so from somewhere and modelling today for Playboy" I had Czech girls saying more than that. Then the video which the shooter had obviously shot in tiny clips and the editor had joined them up, with the most annoying music over the top. It was porn by numbers. It simply had no hook, nothing to pull me into the scene. As for heat, I can get more of that on HBO watching one of their series.

The photography shows exactly what online glamor shooters were up against if they wanted to sell to this end of the magazine market. IMO the membership is worth the the photo galleries alone. If you like photos. For videos, it was like the biggest collection of tour videos ever. They simply left me wanting to sign up, after I had a membership pass.

For older guys with my tastes and love this end or photography, it's a slam dunk. Would you know to promote this site so it's able to fulfil your marketing?

So many think as if their problems end after the guy signs up. They start right up again when he's looking for a new site to join. Because he's been over sold to so many times before. He's grown increasingly sceptical of the promises made by affiliates. If the tour doesn't nail him with the content, you lose him.

and just to add to member displeasure. If he downloads the pictures, they don't come down in sequence, due to the way the programmer numbered them.

1.10.11and so on to 2.20.21 ending 5.50.6.7.8.9. Idiot programmer being instructed by a clueless boos.

001.002.003. and so on problem solved.

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by Sophie Delancey

Ah, the underpants gnome model.

yes... they pay extra for skidmarks...

[G-Unit01]

Originally Posted by Failed

I've reached out to people in order to increase my traffic, my knowledge, SEO tips, tricks, and have offered to provide services such as blog posts and other writing gigs in exchange. Not one person has followed through or taken me up on this offer, not even most affiliate reps I've spoke with give any advice beyond "build blogs, optimize your SEO."

I'm operating under the assumption that most people don't have a clue and those that do aren't going to tell you shit!

Hi Failed, that doe's seem to be the trend -getting guidance is what I've found to be very difficult. You have a similar approach to me, I'm definitely not looking to be given a business on a silver platter, I'm here to build one. The way I see it is that the agreement should be mutually beneficial, such as signing up under the mentors affiliate link - that way they will directly benefit and reap a percentage of their teachings.

Other then that surely there are other ways the mentor could benefit, such as link exchanges, getting links from different IPs etc etc.

I've already been burnt by someone who started to take me under their wing. I purchased some very expensive SEO software under their affiliate link, and joined a sponsor under their link only to never hear from them again once I did the software purchase.

But I'm not going to let that put me down me, I really want to give this market a shot

Originally Posted by B.Barnato

That's because there is a whole mainstream niche focused on selling worthless products to noobs which consist of 95% BS.

I am aware that many experienced adult webmasters have taken people under their wings in exchange for signing up under them in the past, not sure how that went though.

Take some time to research successful webmasters. Look at source codes, whois, ref codes, analytics id, alexa etc to piece together their strategies and networks.

Copy and adapt to suit your needs.

Hi B.Barnato, thank you for your reply. I do agree, there is a lot of rehashed nonsense out there, but there are also a few gems.

The scenario you describing is something I'm looking for, so anyone who was offered such a great opportunity is stupid not to grab it with both hands!

[G-Unit01]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Marketing porn well is no longer easy. Most just throw 10,000s of hits at a sample and hope something works. Even targeted blogging is a numbers game.

To market well, you need to be able to the right people to view your site and then send them to the right site that satisfies their needs. That's really tough to teach.

Start by promoting the porn you love in the way you would buy it.

Asking people to tell you how to take their business from them, isn't the best way to start.

Paul that's for sure, marketing porn is definitely not easy and hearing about the great 2004 etc times that many of the veterans enjoyed is always mouth watering. Marketing porn might not be easy, but I think it can definitely be made enjoyable, if you know what I mean

I don't agree with your last sentence, the whole idea behind purchasing a product or managing to find a mentor is to ensure that the arrangement is mutually beneficial. Which means sharing the growth and success that the mentor helped build, so its actually the complete opposite of your sentence. It's not taking their business, it's helping to grow their business.

Originally Posted by Voodoo

Step 1: Porn
Step 2: ????
Step 3: Riches!

Ah, step 2 -I'm pretty sure step 2 takes commitment and hard work, but it's surely attainable?

Originally Posted by Markul

Plenty of advice to be had.

I must admit GFY is a great place to learn and interact - I'm enjoying the affiliate journals and case studies etc.

[G-Unit01]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

What I am saying is,... it's a lot of trial and error before you make it. You have to find something that works first, and then replicate it on a scale to make it a living. Most do not have the patience to work for themselves, much less to do it online.

This seems to be the trend, with my luck I'll be stuck trying my own methods for ages - I'm glad that I'm starting now then - because it's going to take some time.

Having the freedom to work for yourself is extremely inspiring to me, I'm happy to work late nights, weekends etc because I know that I'll reap the rewards at the end of the day, not the company I work for or my boss. That's one of the major advantages of working online I guess.

Originally Posted by Nicky

Loads have been written over the years but 95% of them are not relevant any more. Some general stuff like marketing and niche understanding is still the same but as far as all great projects and tutorials that used to go around nothing is even close now days. Pre 2002 was great in that essence.

That's true, it's surprising how little tutorials there are out there.

Originally Posted by garce

That's pretty much 100% correct. A couple of years ago I offered to host websites - not just blogs - and give basically free reign to anyone who wanted to be a part of a network that actually made some money. Two people took me up on that offer. I had LOTS of enquiries about running a free blog host, but I actually expected people to work in exchange for the traffic and hosting.

Did you offer some sort of advice or guidance on how to actually get started? If so, then once again that sounds like a golden offer!

How did those two people work out in the end? Did they manage to succeed? I mean if they benefited from traffic and your guidance then the others were silly to miss that opportunity, especially if they were just starting out?

[G-Unit01]

Originally Posted by dallasnovelty

I have been trying to find out how people are making blogs for posting pics from the big affiliate programs. How they set them up, get them working and replicating the procedure and scale up to have a huge blog network.

Finding advice like this is always tough even in the mainstream world. Because people don't want you to steal their meal ticket and make it similar or better than theirs.

In mainstream there are products that offer guidance and useful information, but there is also a lot of rubbish. Trying to find the useful gems can be a challenge. My goal at the end of the day isn't to take someone's meal ticket - it's to work with someone and learn, while building a business that they will also benefit from?

Originally Posted by dallasnovelty

I think the above scenario scares a lot of the online companies because people always want the greener grass and think they can do it better and go around their mentor. This business changes so much and is so dependent on SERPs that by the time you write a book telling people how to do it it would be outdated and might even be penalized for the old method. I would really like to just talk to a successful blog network owner and tell them my situation and what I am wanting to do in the future. I just want to make sure what I am doing is just wasting time or could actually be scaled up to something that might make money.

As I've already been burnt by someone in this market that offered assistance I'm definitely going to be careful, but screwing over your mentor would be a very very stupid thing to do. In my opinion a mentor is someone who is actually taking a risk with someone new, so surely any respectable person would be loyal and respect their mentor.

You've hit the nail on the head with your last sentence, I could sit here in front of my pc and try my own marketing methods for days on end - but like you say I could be doing it totally wrong and be wasting ages. This is where I hope a mentor would help to steer me in the right direction.

Maybe the word mentor is too strong, could they be called a consultant?

Your story is very motivating and that is how I see it as well, even in the offline world. Start with someone who is willing to invest in you and then grab that opportunity with both hands and make the most of it!

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Marketing porn well is no longer easy. Most just throw 10,000s of hits at a sample and hope something works. Even targeted blogging is a numbers game.

To market well, you need to be able to the right people to view your site and then send them to the right site that satisfies their needs. That's really tough to teach.

Start by promoting the porn you love in the way you would buy it.

Asking people to tell you how to take their business from them, isn't the best way to start.

Your a photographer. What do you know about traffic? Have you ever run a network with hundreds of blogs? TGPs? Free sites? No. Then STFU already.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Here's your real problem. I got an email from Playboy asking me to review playboy.com. Grew up with Playboy and it's one of my favourite brands and styles, along with Penthouse. Could never shoot, yet spent hours jerking off to the magazine and videos. Plus anything with that glamour style edge to it. Today I get more of a kick out of watching a soft core scene on HBO than the in your face porn. So looking forward to getting a free pass.

Only to be disappointed.

Firstly had problems finding the members button here. WWW.PLAYBOYPLUS.COM, this will cost affiliates traffic. didn't look at the tour, as I had a free pass.

Most of the videos I saw had the girl saying the same intro "I'm so and so from somewhere and modelling today for Playboy" I had Czech girls saying more than that. Then the video which the shooter had obviously shot in tiny clips and the editor had joined them up, with the most annoying music over the top. It was porn by numbers. It simply had no hook, nothing to pull me into the scene. As for heat, I can get more of that on HBO watching one of their series.

The photography shows exactly what online glamor shooters were up against if they wanted to sell to this end of the magazine market. IMO the membership is worth the the photo galleries alone. If you like photos. For videos, it was like the biggest collection of tour videos ever. They simply left me wanting to sign up, after I had a membership pass.

For older guys with my tastes and love this end or photography, it's a slam dunk. Would you know to promote this site so it's able to fulfil your marketing?

So many think as if their problems end after the guy signs up. They start right up again when he's looking for a new site to join. Because he's been over sold to so many times before. He's grown increasingly sceptical of the promises made by affiliates. If the tour doesn't nail him with the content, you lose him.

and just to add to member displeasure. If he downloads the pictures, they don't come down in sequence, due to the way the programmer numbered them.

1.10.11and so on to 2.20.21 ending 5.50.6.7.8.9. Idiot programmer being instructed by a clueless boos.

001.002.003. and so on problem solved.

You are so full of shit it's not even funny. Do you really expect us to believe that Playboy is going to reach out to hasbeen photographer who knows nothing about webdesign, and they are going ask you to review their website?

Your really going to say someone's content "isn't hot" while you've shot the same exact totally lame crap for the past twenty years? Your content has never been hot; It's boring lame euro teen crap.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Your a photographer. What do you know about traffic? Have you ever run a network with hundreds of blogs? TGPs? Free sites? No. Then STFU already.

This post tells you all you need to know. The essence of online porn marketing is opening lots of sites, getting tons of traffic and throwing at sites in the hope someone will buy something. Rochard I believe had a site and failed at it. I will never tell you how to do that. What I can tell is the difference between good porn and not good porn.

Originally Posted by G-Unit01

Paul that's for sure, marketing porn is definitely not easy and hearing about the great 2004 etc times that many of the veterans enjoyed is always mouth watering. Marketing porn might not be easy, but I think it can definitely be made enjoyable, if you know what I mean

If you enjoy porn and don't need the money, doing it as a hobby is a great way to start. Most who started prior to 2004 were lucky. The market was far more forgiving. Still a lot failed. Today it's really tough.

I don't agree with your last sentence, the whole idea behind purchasing a product or managing to find a mentor is to ensure that the arrangement is mutually beneficial. Which means sharing the growth and success that the mentor helped build, so its actually the complete opposite of your sentence. It's not taking their business, it's helping to grow their business.

In the first three months, you will be working hard building, learning and testing. The returns will be minimal. Asking someone to tutor you through these times in the hope you won't quit is asking a lot based on signing up under their link. It's 5% to 10%. On what you will earn it's not worth it.

The links for affiliates to give other affiliates, is again on the basis of. If you throw enough at it, one will make the sender some money.

Time will tell. Just be ready for a lot of hard work and a long uphill climb. Go back three years on the board and see the casualties no longer posting.